Greipel vs. Farrar: The Final Showdown!
Sunday's Paris-Tours, the 103rd edition of the "Sprinters' Classic," features the final battle of the season by the world's two best sprinters not connected to the Isle of Man. Actually, the race features pretty much every top sprinter currently on form: William Bonnet, Romain Feillu, Koldo Fernandez, Yahueni Hutarovich, Tom Boonen, Allan Davis, Oscar Freire, Greg Van Avermaet, Danilo Napolitano, Gerald Ciolek, Matti Breschel, Borut Bozic, and probably a few others I'm missing. It also features Edvald Boasson Hagen, who can not only sprint but is hardman enough to handle the 252km with no ill effect, and with his impending departure to Team Sky, he just might go rogue after a big win like this.
But for now, assuming the bunch gathers on the south end of the Avenue du Grammont for the 3km-long scrum over one of the least technical finishing stretches in all of cycling, most eyes will be on Tyler Farrar and Andre Greipel. The German star of Columbia's (non-Cavendish) sprint squad ranks second overall in victories with 20, just three shy of his more decorated teammate. [Or 21, can't tell if this includes today's Paris-Bourges win.] Greipel has finished off a sprint successfully 11 times since July 1, meaning he's had a great start, middle and finish to his season, save for an injury break after his first win in Australia. I have downgraded his accomplishments just a tad for coming mostly on the end of stage race stages, and often against lesser fields (Osterreich Rundfahrt, for example). But he won four times in the Vuelta, against Boonen, Bennati, Bonnet, Bozic, and a few sprinters whose names don't begin with B, like... Farrar. So the lesser fields argument is out. And my other criticism -- that he doesn't win one-day races -- was slain today with his win in the 193km Paris-Bourges.
Farrar, meanwhile, ranks fifth in wins with eleven, including eight since July 1. After a busy spring, including his own injury break, Farrar survived the Tour (albeit chasing Cavendish around), then rattled off a string of victories in Germany and Belgium, including the Vattenfall Cyclassics. For all Greipel's success, this was the race most closely resembling Paris-Tours, and Farrar won while Greipel missed the finale... but talk about small sample sizes. Vattenfall is nowhere near as flat, so if Greipel couldn't wind it up on that course, it's hardly an indicator that he couldn't do better Sunday. I also don't recall if Greipel got delayed by the late crash there. Anyway, it's one data point. The rest of the data shows pretty much a dead heat. Which means that Sunday is their chance to make closing arguments in the case for World's Second-Best Sprinter -- a lofty title considering the Cavendish factor -- and a win by one over the other will seal the deal.
Who ya got? I can't pick against the Wenatchee Wonder. Poll attached...
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I just wanna know if DemonCats is still bogarting the Greipel...
"Jens! is my favorite rider. I love watching him handing out plates of hot, steaming suffer!" - Mahatma Gandhi
by crashdan on Oct 8, 2009 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
October Double!
Cunego or Gerrans, P-T and Lombardia!
-Cosmo
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Head down, elbows out since 2005
by Cosmo on Oct 8, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can't pick against Farrar 1 against 1
But if Columbia are serious about it, Garmin won’t beat their train
by addict on Oct 8, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my thoughts exactly
If Columbia have their train rolling, it’s going to be Greipel. If it’s a messy finale, then I give it to Farrar.
by PopUp Rolen on Oct 8, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think between Greipel and Farrar it comes down to who has the best team on the day of..
I’ll vote other because it’s an option.
by flying dog on Oct 8, 2009 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Slightly OT, Boonen
Boonen is apparently going to start targeting the crono next year. He has results as a junior and U23, and wants to try for a few wins next season, in addition to the classics. So, like, maybe don’t pick him to win sprints very much next season.
by gavia on Oct 8, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or close.. He has some pretty results in TT in GT
by Frinking on Oct 8, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2009: 11th in Spain (30km)
2008: 12th in Spain (42,5km)
2007: 20th in Spain (52,2km)
It\s really not bad for a sprinter.
by Frinking on Oct 8, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He fell in the first chrono and still did quite well.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Oct 8, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like he's got a better chance
against Cance than against Cav? And when that doesn’t work he’s going to spend the next winter working out how to beat Bert.
by Monty. on Oct 8, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
top 5 in a gt or a tt
is way better than top 5 (but not winning) in a sprint. In a sprint, 1st is the only position worth having. For once, there i agree with that whole 2nd is the first loser thing. But a chrono or gt, well 2nd aint bad. Not that i think he can get 2nd in a chrono or gt. But maybe he has a better chance than in sprints nowadays.
by yeehoo on Oct 9, 2009 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he still has the measure of them all in the classics...which ain't bad let's face it!
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 9, 2009 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mostly due to a strong team
As soon as a rider like Farrar gets to the finale with Boonen, it may be a different affair.
If I just had one more gear, I...
by SpunOut on Oct 9, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed, but it's all about getting there...
Even with Boonen’s level of team, Farrar is surely not in the same league on cobbles…not yet anyway. The future is a mystery!
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 9, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a group of 4 or 5
with the sprint trains five minutes back down the road? I’d still take Boonen any day.
by Monty. on Oct 10, 2009 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andre the Giant in a rout!
Why even bother to run it? Points bitches!
"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH
by ELVISGOAT on Oct 8, 2009 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That can't be his nickname
He’s only 6ft tall, though I readily I admit he’s a tremendous wad of muscle.
According to Wikipedia his nickname is “Gorilla” which I don’t find especially compelling. How do you say “beef” in German?
-Cosmo
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by Cosmo on Oct 8, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, it's Rindfleisch
I’m not sure about calling Greipel the fightin’ Rindfleisch!
Dammit Elk! I don't care if it's your mating season, you are disturbing my peaceful sleep! Just STFU!
by Phil H. on Oct 8, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a sprint I choose Greipel
But I see EBH and Gilbert going apeshit with a few hangers-on in the last 15k. Or so I’m hoping.
by dansel on Oct 8, 2009 4:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here here!
And they’re both on my VDS ;-)
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 9, 2009 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had all three of them
last year. Sob.
by Monty. on Oct 10, 2009 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In my completely unbiased and objective opinion
Tyler Farrar will win this race.
Greipel eees going to be en drama, what with staring at Tyler’s back wheel the whole time.
ya. Unbiased. Caling this one completely down the middle, Farrar by 17 bike lengths.
Wenatchee Wonder FTW
by dees ees en drama on Oct 8, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Stop drinking...
Dammit Elk! I don't care if it's your mating season, you are disturbing my peaceful sleep! Just STFU!
by Phil H. on Oct 8, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Voted other
because I think a break probably wins this race more often than might be expected. But if it comes down to sprint between Greipel & Farrar, I’ll go with Greipel because Columbia are more likely to get it right.
by civetta on Oct 8, 2009 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It has something to do with the even and uneven(?) years
by Frinking on Oct 8, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right, Frinking
in which case we probably are due a sprint this year…
by civetta on Oct 8, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gilbert won in similar fashion last year.
Either is fine by me.
"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH
by ELVISGOAT on Oct 8, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What, from a 210 km break,
always latching on to new breaks coming up from behind, outfoxing his last remaining companion in the final km, staying ahead of the storming group by 15 m?
by tedvdw on Oct 8, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't look like Richard Virenque.
I would have thought maybe you could have found a picture of Erik Dekker winning the race in 2004 instead of that one, um oh wait. What race is that a picture of.
No but seriously, isn’t that Oscarito on the far right.
by flying dog on Oct 8, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it is.. and let's make a name guess.
From left to right:
Wesemann. Gilbert, Rebellin?, Elmiger, Mattan, Usov? Cioni???, the Italien guy?, Some QST, Freire
by Frinking on Oct 9, 2009 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Some QST" = A football/soccer player. Note the golden boots.
I like this game idea. After guessing the golden booted/football guy I checked CQ and we got a ways to go before we get everybody right. So I’ll try not to give it all away.
Some Aussie should be able to identify the Cofidis guy easily.
by flying dog on Oct 9, 2009 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mr. Golden Boots is Bettini...O'Grady is the Cofidis man
Allan Davis also might be the Liberty guy behind Dekker
by Vlaanderen90 on Oct 9, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kessler was the last remaining breakaway partner
by tedvdw on Oct 9, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Top twenty from cqranking.com
1. [NED] DEKKER Erik RAB 5h33’03" 240
2. [GER] HONDO Danilo GST 150
3. [ESP] FREIRE GOMEZ Oscar RAB 120
4. [AUS] DAVIS Allan LST 108
5. [AUS] O’GRADY Stuart COF 96
6. [ITA] BETTINI Paolo QSD 84
7. [GER] KESSLER Matthias TMO 72
8. [SLO] MURN Uros PHO 60
9. [EST] KIRSIPUU Jaan A2R 53
10. [ITA] MAZZOLENI Eddy SAE 48
11. [NED] VAN DIJK Stefan LOT 43
12. [BEL] GILBERT Philippe FDJ 39
13. [ITA] REBELLIN Davide GST 35
14. [BLR] USOV Alexandre PHO 31
15. [ITA] MORENI Cristian ALB 28
16. [BEL] VAN PETEGEM Peter LOT 25
17. [GER] BAUMANN Eric TMO 23
18. [FRA] GESLIN Anthony BLB 21
19. [ESP] ISASI FLORES Iñaki EUS 19
20. [ESP] LASTRAS GARCIA Pablo
Some great riders in that group.
by flying dog on Oct 9, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Argh
Right photo, wrong caption. Yes: 2004, not 2001. He won 3 stages of the Tour de France and Clasica San Seb in 2000, Ruta del Sol, another Tour stage and the Amstel Gold Race in 2001 (easily outsprinting Armstrong into Maastricht), Tirreno in 2002, Paris-Tours in 2004.
by tedvdw on Oct 9, 2009 5:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greiple FTW!
Dammit Elk! I don't care if it's your mating season, you are disturbing my peaceful sleep! Just STFU!
by Phil H. on Oct 8, 2009 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or Greipel, either one works
Dammit Elk! I don't care if it's your mating season, you are disturbing my peaceful sleep! Just STFU!
by Phil H. on Oct 8, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
startlist.Cyclingfever.com
Always nice to have a starting list
Also found out that Cycling TV will be showing the race free to North America (wow that includes Canada too, Have a happy holiday up there guys and gals, CTV has got you covered.)
by flying dog on Oct 8, 2009 9:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone considered that there might not be a sprint?
There quite often isn’t!
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 9, 2009 7:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ha
I know why you want it not to be.
but if the trains gets really serious….
by rbjhan on Oct 9, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's all about the VDS......
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 9, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bah Greipel!
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 9, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh sorry, missed that! It's been a looong week!
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
by Albertina on Oct 9, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone considered Bozic?
He had a great win in the Vuelta and if things don’t go according to plan in the finale and he gets the jump, he could definitely win this. That or if he gets into a breakaway, he’d be super dangerous. Same for Oscarito, who is due for a big win.
If I just had one more gear, I...
by SpunOut on Oct 9, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
After looking at the start list I have to say
WTF are Gamin thinking starting Martin? That guy is tiny, way too small for a race like this. Also, Vacansoleil looks to be a team of headbangers, one which will attack the whole race. Man, this weekend is going to be awesome, Kona on Saturday and Paris-Tours on Sunday!
If I just had one more gear, I...
by SpunOut on Oct 9, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Edvald Boasson Hagen is out as well
Has come down with a bad cold.
by Jens on Oct 9, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he that sucks..
For the one who have him in their VDS..
by Frinking on Oct 9, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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