G-W Addendum: G-W or E3?
Apologies to our southern hemispherite friends, but I have Flanders on the brain, in no small part because 1) it was 40, windy and raining buckets on my ride in, and 2) my Facebook page has voluntarily defaulted to Dutch. The latter I take as a compliment.
Below I try to argue that Gent-Wevelgem's big changes (Sunday, longer) will remake the race back into the mega-classic it was before it became a midweek amuse bouche. Now though, I'd like to play a little devil's advocate with myself (and hopefully at least a few of you). E3 Prijs is run on Saturday March 27, in the same spot on the calendar it had held before. Previously it preceded Brabantse Pijl, which is a much less prestigious race in the Brabant region, not Flanders, so most of the Flanders guys focused heavily on E3 and maybe rode Brabantse Pijl as an afterthought.
Now, though, the more prestigious and relevant Gent-Wevelgem is the next day. So if you're Tom Boonen, the choice is not so clear. Let's run down the relevant factors... on the flip!
Flanders training: E3 may have started out as a tribute to a motorway, but nowadays it is an explicit dress rehearsal for de Ronde. The way the race circles around the Flemish Ardennes to catch the middle set of Ronde climbs is straight out of some Flemish coach's training guide. G-W, on the other hand, circles out to the west, occasionally overlapping with the Ronde route but not taking in any of the climbs. E3 gets the upper hand if you're talking about rehearsing specific moments of de Ronde, but otherwise the advantage is not that great. First, the Tour of Flanders tests your ability to withstand more than just the Koppenberg; it's about crosswinds, cobbles, rain and long hours in the saddle too... all of which you can find in G-W. Also, if you just want to scamper up the Muur or the Valkenberg, you have the Omloop Het Whatever and Dwars door Vlaanderen to help scratch that itch. Choice: E3 if you force me to pick, but it's durn near even.
Pride: My G-W post makes it sound like a clear choice here, and I think it is -- G-W is simply a more significant palmare. But in the short term it may not be as clear a choice to the riders. E3 has been the scene of some tough battles, and Boonen does like to show the competition he can fly over the Flemish Ardennes. But if G-W is a hit in its new slot, memories of some recent E3 battles will melt away quickly. Choice: Gent-Wevelgem
Perception: Conjecture here, but I think this is what will push the best riders to Sunday. G-W has the history, it's a Pro Tour race, it will get all the official anointings of a Classic, while I suspect without knowing til we see that E3 will get downgraded in the hearts and minds of the Flemish people. After all, what was so great about it in the first place? The riders, that's what. Not the course. It's the week before de Ronde and you want to know who's looking strong. G-W will offer plenty of tests -- at that length, only when it's blessed with unusually nice weather will it fail to be a huge sufferfest. Once the sponsors and the UCI push everyone to Sunday, the fans will simply follow. Choice: G-W, hands down.
Wildcards: G-W can miss out on this opportunity for two potential reasons. First, if the top guys get spooked by the descent of the Kemmelberg, they may decide to save their skeletal frame and just to the E3. So the G-W organizers will have to be careful not to overreach here. Secondly, if the sprinters grab hold of G-W in the next few years, it might resume its reputation as a sprinters' classic. I really doubt this will happen, but a tailwind can change everything. On the other hand, I don't know much about E3's sponsorship, but right now they are swimming with some big sharks. There is no mandate for this race if G-W completely takes over. Not that that has ever stopped the Flemings from holding a bike race...
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This looks a lot like a repeat of the Omloop/Kuurne weekend
The field on the two days is 75% the same.
Saturday (OHN/E3) is the target for the climby/attacking guys while the sprinty types target Sunday (K-B-K/ G-W).
The lenghth of the new Gent-Wevelgem is the wild card. How does this affect the field of favourites?
Similarities, yes, but
Omloop/Kuurne doesn’t force you to make choices because the races aren’t quite as hard, and there’s no price to pay for overdoing it. E3/G-W calls for a more careful choice. If the weather is nice, maybe it’s no biggie, but 250km is awfully long if there is any wind at all.
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris Fontecchio on Nov 13, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
I still think that E3 will have an important role...
The course is too similar to De Ronde for it not to have implications on who’s hot and who’s not. It is the last time to put a stamp on your form and show everybody how you are running. G-W, while it might come up in prestige, is just too…well, flat. It has 1 hill in it gone over twice and this doesn’t show anybody what you are capable of really especially if a break is away. plus 250km 3 Sundays in a row is going to be very taxing on the form. I can see guys like Petacchi and lower classics men try to target G-W now because they know they don’t have a fighting chance during holy week, other than the Scheldeprijs. I also think that if a break goes away early, a mass abandon by the big stars at the second feed zone so that they have some racing miles in the legs but nothing too taxing.
OK
But three sundays in a row… I think that means the Paris-Roubaix guys probably can’t compete at G-W, but aren’t there some riders who like de Ronde but not the Queen of the Classics?
You’re right though, the sprinters aren’t going to let go of G-W if they can help it. Unfortunately, they havent’ been able to stop the classics dudes much lately even at 203km.
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris Fontecchio on Nov 13, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
RVV is now the finale to the Spring racing in Flanders?
"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH
Yes and no
There’s still the Scheldeprijs, which is around Antwerp and technically part of Flemish Belgium, if not in “Flanders” as some understand the term (West Vlaanderen and Oost Vlaanderen). It’s complicated, but I gather nobody would be offended if you called it a Flemish race.
Brabantse Pijl, I believe, is later too and falls in the same category of kinda-sorta Flemish, though Vlaamse Brabant has its own distinctions.
Europeans… so needlessly complex. It’s easier in the states. If you’re in Connecticut, you’re not in Rhode Island.
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris Fontecchio on Nov 13, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, but
if you’re in Iowa, Arizona or Minnesota, you might be in Maine. And if you’re in Kansas City, you’re not necessarily in Kansas.
And if you are in Washington DC, you are not in Washington...
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
And if you're on Conanicut, you are in Rhode Island.
It was just a long race--Edvald Boasson Hagen, on the Giro
And if you're in Washington,
you could be in Virginia. Or Indiana. Or Pennsylvania. Or Utah. Or North Carolina. Or Missouri….
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris Fontecchio on Nov 14, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Even better, if you're in Cairo
You’re probably in Mississippi
by Douglas Ansel on Nov 14, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
If you're in Boston you could be in Lincolnshire (a flat, grey wasteland of cabbages)
And if you’re in Birmingham you might be in Alabama
by thebongolian on Nov 14, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
And for your listening pleasure...
"Drawing on my fine command of language I said nothing."- Groucho
Much as I like Johnny Cash
You have the wrong version of the song there.
You should have gone with this one. Or Aunty Jack’s version.
I think E3 will still remain strong
For guys targeting all of Holy Week (ie boonen, pozzato, etc) E3 offers a good chance to race while refraining from blowing all their wads on a 250km day in the saddle trying to make the sponsors happy. I agree with Vlaanderen that the Holy Week guys may pull a mass bailout at GW. Or it could be a space for the next big thing to shine, but less likely to increase hugely in prestige and the way the biggest guys target (or don’t target) it.
What's the bet that I wake up to find
a preview of some sort for de Ronde on the front page? ;-)
Nup.. I'm thinking cross photos ;)
and Sunday would be a bad day for de Ronde discussion. Save it for Tuesday….
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
is there
something you would rather discuss?
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris Fontecchio on Nov 14, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Tour of Qatar preview please
Look, it's a bird...no, it's a plane....oh never mind it's just fucking balloon boy
Yu might want to include the Tour of Oman with it...make it a middleeast fun fest.
2 weeks of hot, desert and flat road love.
by Vlaanderen90 on Nov 14, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure I can handle so much excitement that early in the season
Look, it's a bird...no, it's a plane....oh never mind it's just fucking balloon boy
after you sir
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris Fontecchio on Nov 14, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Oh no, I insist, after you kind sir
Look, it's a bird...no, it's a plane....oh never mind it's just fucking balloon boy
Sorry, you forgot the camels
and I expect a thorough evaluation of this aspect of the race.
Look, it's a bird...no, it's a plane....oh never mind it's just fucking balloon boy
I love the cross photos. Looking is good on Sundays...
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
Actually after yesterdays post
I got to thinking a lot about this. I feel that while the extra kilometers and more influential spot will increase the prestige of GW, it will not make it the default prep race for all of the big stars of RVV. I feel many will still choose E3 simply because it suits their characteristics better.
E3 is a typical Hardman’s prep race. A flat run up a whack of classic climbs and then a flat run in to the finish.
GW is a different slab of beef. A Looong flat crosswindy section where anything can happen with the right./wrong weather (either the race blows up/ or it is a typical break and chase). two circuits over the kemmelberg and then a long flat run to the finish. This race seems to be more like the cobbled Paris-Tours than anything else.
A race for either the hardest sprinters or the true cream of the roloeurs who also likely have a bit of a kick. I’m thinking a team like quickstep will send Boonen to E3 for RVV warmup and send Chavanel to GW to try and win out of a break.Similarly I think Lotto will send Phil Gil to GW for a go at the break, The race also seems to suit HH, EBH, and Pozzato.
But I still feel like Cavendish will now make this his second big objective for the year and likely the only classic he will actually try for after MSR. That means the biggest hardest Columbia team he can muster to drag him back after the second run up the Kemmelberg. So I think a the race becomes a toss up between the sprinters and the breakaways. with an insane run at the Kemmelberg twice. then a break being chased by whatever sprinters can muster a chase.
Probably the biggest group making it to the finish is 30-40 riders maybe less. Either way the sprint will likely be chaotic and uncontrolled. Sounds like a fun and exiting race. But not something most contenders for RVV will want to get mixed up in.
by bought with blood on Nov 14, 2009 2:01 PM EST reply actions
This race seems to be more like the cobbled Paris-Tours than anything else.
That is one of the most amusing and best-worded descriptions I’ve heard yet. And you have a great point – yes the distance from the Kemmelburg to the finish is much longer than the speedbumps coming into Tours, but the Kemmelburg will open up larger gaps too, so it’s a pretty fair comparison.
Thats my thinking exactly.
A race the sprinters can win if things go their way, but will as often as not fall to some hardcase in a late break. With everyone on form for holy week, or this race alone, it should be areal cracker.
by bought with blood on Nov 14, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
I really do not agree!
Parijs-Tours is a sprinters race. If there are attackers the peloton is never more than a minute back. Gent-Wevelgem on the other hand is a far more open race. If there is a sprint they only sprint with 40 man max. The wind is to much of a factor in GW to make the statement valid..
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
Your wisdom prevails again
My comment was based on everyone hitting the Kemmelburg together. Neglected to mention how much harder it is for that to happen (ie last year). This will definitely happen less with an extra 50km of glorious Belgian winds before the fireworks start.
by Douglas Ansel on Nov 14, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, 2 years ago when Freire won there was 80 guys going into the sprint and there have been other cases of it
being like that also. There can be days with light wind that just make it a loooong loop to Wevelgem.
by Vlaanderen90 on Nov 15, 2009 8:35 AM EST up reply actions

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