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Tom Boonen: Time Trial Specialist?

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Tom Boonen is a cross between a sprinter and a strong cobbled classics rider. He’s a multiple winner of both major cobbled classics, Paris-Roubaix and the Tour of Flanders. He’s also won six stages of the Tour de France along with the green points jersey in the Tour and the rainbow jersey of World Champion. Add to that most of the other cobbled races, Gent-Wevelgem, Grote Scheldeprijs, Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne, E3 Prijs Vlaanderen and Dwars door Vlaanderen and he’s won most of the races that a rider with his abilities would be capable of winning.

Notable races that he could win but hasn’t are Milan San Remo, Het Volk and Paris-Tours, although he has finished on the podium in all three. He has now come out and said that he would consider targeting the World Time Trial Championships in Australia next year. Can Boonen really adapt to becoming a time trial specialist in one season and challenge Fabian Cancellara for the World Time Trial crown?

Star-divide

The fact is that Tom Boonen has only ever won one time trial in his professional career. That was a 5km prologue in the 2.3 category Ster Elektrotoer in 2004. He has racked up a few good placings in prologue time trials down through the years, but so have a lot of sprinters. The power output required for a very short prologue tends to suit the abilities of powerful sprinters. Boonen’s main sprint rivals Mark Cavendish, Thor Hushovd and Tyler Farrar have all won prologue time trials. It is a massive leap to go from being a sprinter who can churn out a good prologue to a full-blown time trial specialist who can challenge over distances of 40km or more.

Although it must be said that when there is a long time trial during a stage race, sprinters tend to treat these stages as a rest day. They will just go through the motions, not over exerting themselves, conserving energy for when the next bunch sprint comes along. Perhaps Tom Boonen has never really given 100% in a long time trial before. His best ever result in a full length time trial came this year in the Vuelta a Espana, where he finished 11th in a 30km test against the clock. Not exactly sensational, but certainly an improvement on his previous efforts.

Perhaps Tom Boonen has taken a look at his sprinting rivals, most of all the two young phenoms Cavendish and Farrar, and thought to himself that he might never win another Tour de France stage or green jersey ever again. He might feel that he needs to shift his focus from sprinting to time trialling in order to keep his focus throughout the racing season. The cobbled classics are all done and dusted by April, the only races Boonen is likely to win after this are stages in minor stage races, that may not be enough to feed the ego of Belgium’s greatest sports star.

Bradley Wiggins proved this year that changing one’s physique and specialty is entirely possible with the training, diet and preparation. But is it possible for Tom Boonen to become a time trial specialist whilst maintaining his dominance on the cobbles? Fabian Cancellara is the living answer to that question. Cancellara is amongst the perennial challengers on the cobbles and has also dominated the World Time Trial Championships in recent years. He even won both the World Time Trial and Paris-Roubaix in the same year back in 2006, showing that specialising in both disciplines is quite feasible. They are also quite similar physically, there’s only six months difference between them in terms of age, according to their official websites they both weigh 80kg however Boonen is slightly taller at 6′ 4″ compared to Cancellara at 6′ 1″.

The general consensus is that next year’s World Road Race Championship in Geelong is going to be one for the sprinters. I can’t help but wonder why Boonen isn’t channeling his efforts towards this rather than the time trial. How can he think he’ll be capable of beating Cancellara when the rest of the world’s time trial specialists, who’ve been focusing on time trials their entire careers, can’t even get close to him? I don’t think any amount of time in the wind tunnel over the winter is going to help Boonen reach this most lofty of goals, he should stick to what he knows, cobbles and sprints.

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A focused and well prepared Boonen could present a genuine challenge to Cancellara.

Physically and in terms of age they have much in common. It’s not unreasonable for Boonen to reprioritise in the face of the new young guns. I’d rather he didn’t beat Tony, but I think it’s a good move.

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by Seahorse on Nov 17, 2009 8:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thought one moment I was getting old and forgetful..

Boonen never won Gent-Wevelgem.. He even never ended on the podium.. Ok that was a lie.. In 2003 third.

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2. putsch

by Frinking on Nov 17, 2009 10:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

He won it in 2004

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by irishpeloton on Nov 17, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm getting old.. and blind

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2. putsch

by Frinking on Nov 17, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It has long been rumored

that Boonen’s power profile is similar to Cancellara’s.

And what this post overlooks is the specific nature of many of Boonen’s performances: the short version is that Boonen has NEVER JUST been a sprinter.

Consider his break-through ride in the 2002 Paris-Roubaix: finished 3rd after surviving from the early break (I’ll leave what happened to Hincapie out of that one . . .).

In at least two E3s he basically towed the break for more than 30k. (Most notably the year that Ballan hung on for dear life with a broken seat-post).

My point is that Boonen doesn’t win classics by sitting in and waiting for the last couple of ks for his train: he attacks from anywhere from 40 to 30kl out to either go solo or whittle the bunch down to a 4 or 5 rider break.

And, since, those 4 or 5 riders KNOW that he can also sprint, the burden of making the pace very often falls to Boonen.

In short, don’t be surprised. The limiting factor is not his power, but the increasingly fragile condition of his back and whether he can hold the position.

by R Mc on Nov 17, 2009 11:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't doubt that Boonen could transform himself into a decent time trial rider

But to become good enough to beat Cancellara at the Worlds is on a whole other level. I just don’t see the evidence to suggest that he could do better against Cancellara than riders who’ve specialized against the clock their whole careers. Riders like Tuft, Larsson, Martin, Wiggins and Zabriskie.

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by irishpeloton on Nov 17, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think this is a great move.

    Boonen, as R Mc points out has shown great stamina in victories on the cobbles. And his teammate Devolder has used his excellent TT skills to win a couple of Rondes so it follows that it is a desirable skill set to fully develop. He has more than a couple more opportunities to add Paris-Roubaix and Ronde victories to his palmares which would be huge for the Belgian.
    As far as beating Cancellara goes it probably is futile but you never know for sure. Cancellara has stated that he would consider riding for GC at a Grand Tour. That effort may leave the door open eventually for another TT specialist to take the rainbow. Does Bert Grabsch ring a bell? Jalabert would be an example of a rider who was able to redefine himself as his career progressed, I never think of him as a sprinter.
     IMHO if Boonen develops his TT skills and improves himself as a bike racer then we as fans will win, so I’ll cheer him on.

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by Mark Frank on Nov 17, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I do.

(and I’m deep in a virtual stack of student essays, so I’m resisting the childish urge to just stick my tongue out and splutter nyah, nyah, nyah).

My evidence would be Paris-Roubaix 2008. To really support the contention, I’d need to be able to chart the power files for each rider, but a careful review of the last few kilometers of that race would suggest a fairly even match.

Quoting Boonen (via VN story by Wilcockson): "Everyone was waiting for the Carrefour de l’Arbre," Boonen said, "and when you make an attack on that section of cobblestones, you either win the race, or lose the race. So when we were still together at the Carrefour de l’Arbre, Cancellara made an attack, but it wasn’t very, very strong. Ballan also tried something, and after that I made a much stronger tempo than the others."

I’ll stand by my contention that in terms of FTP, Cancellara and Boonen are comparable. They might differ at various ranges of Critical Power. But I really think the distinguishing characteristic is Cancellara’s flexibility, which allows him to sustain power in the time trial position.

by R Mc on Nov 17, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

One more factor

Cancellara’s handling in the ITTs is pretty awesome. That has to count for 10 seconds.

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by Chris... on Nov 17, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

true

And for almost any other rider that would be a big consideration, but Boonen’s no slouch handling a bike either. Adapting to the tt bike, that might be another story.

Some of the lines that Cancellara takes on his tt bike are insane—especially if you go back and compare them to the lines that everyone else takes . . .

by R Mc on Nov 17, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Did you see that photo

of Fab cornering at the Tour of Cali. He looked like a Moto GP rider in that turn…on a TT rig! Wow!

by seanmdo on Nov 17, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You both hit on it with flexibility and experience on the tt rig I think.

Sure Boonen can equal the power, but for how long? I don’t think there’s any way Boonen is going to conquer the other variables necessary to catch the elite riders at this discipline, ever.

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by sminer on Nov 17, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Boonen

was just a few seconds off of Fabian at the ToC prologue. Yes Fabian was sick but still Tom was right there. Never say never. I think the real question will be if QS will allow Boonen to pursue this?

by cyclingdiva on Nov 17, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just look at my track record....

when have I ever been wrong or overstated on an issue? (Que Frinking)

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by sminer on Nov 17, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay I'll answer that myself.

Almost everytime I put something in writing.

But really, you bring up prologues. If I remember right Cav even tore up that Prologue. Wasn’t that something like a 4 to 5 minute effort at ToC? Sprinters train for that kind of effort alot, they do have to be able to hold onto their trains for the sprint, right?

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by sminer on Nov 17, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i agree

once you get beyond the 4-5k mark, i still there’s at least 8 or 9 dudes that would beat boonen every time. still, if he does try this TT thing, it’ll sure be better than watching him give up on sprints for 23rd or whatever.

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by benrazor on Nov 17, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i still think*

"well...you live in england so: you love the rain. loves the queen. hates cycling. based on mr bean had a tremendous amount of humour. all ride in a mini cooper. all getting drunk before the age of 12. getting drunk at least 3 times a day."- frinking, 7/9/09

by benrazor on Nov 17, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tuft

Seriously? That’s a pretty short careers to specialize…

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by Lopex on Nov 17, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Riders that are less talented than Boonen

Much less.
I like the development of your post but don’t agree with the conclusion. I believe he can reach Cance’s level if he stays out of trouble. As a matter of fact, I think psychologically this may be the single best thing that he can do: as you mentioned he has won everything on the spring, so having a challenging goal (and beating Tony certainly is) can help him to maintain his focus and form.
I hope that he can make the transition, for sure we will have more fun.
Nice post!

Your bike doesn't want to crash so relax and let it roll!!!

by perezbike on Nov 17, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

His 11th place in this years Vuelta TT could be taken at face value as just being decent

but in the last 2 km he crashed, which lost him about 30-40 seconds…If he had not crashed he would have ended up second to Cancellara, which still would have been a good 30 seconds back but that is a marked improvement from where he was at.

Also, he has probably never put himself out on the line on a TT because since he was focused on stage wins mostly, he would use a TT for recovery. When you look at his performance this year’s Roubaix and the 2005 Ronde, he used his TTing skills to propel himself to victory. Don’t doubt him in his TTing because he has shown his skills before.

by Vlaanderen90 on Nov 17, 2009 12:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Excellent point on the Vuelta TT

I’d forgotten that he crashed. I remember now being very impressed with that 11th considering the crash.

by dansel on Nov 17, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wish I could find the interview

but I specifically remember Cance saying that each one could easily be in the others position, that they had just chosen different paths earlier in their careers.

by Davide Don of Rio on Nov 17, 2009 1:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I remember that interview

but don’t remember where it was.

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by australopithecine on Nov 17, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Helpful bunch, aren’t we?

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by Lopex on Nov 17, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Was going to make a joke

but I have an answer: this month’s cycle sport.

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by Chris... on Nov 17, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Interview

This one is it?

It’s an interview with Boonen rather than Cancellara, but he alludes to the fact that they were rivals as juniors. He says that he used to win seven or eight time trials a year as a junior which I have to say I wasn’t aware of.

However, interestingly, when asked whether he has, like Cancellara, got a checklist of races that he would consider career goals he says:

It doesn’t always work out like that. If you obsess like that, you will do things that you wouldn’t normally do. There’s too much pressure. You cannot predict what’s going to happen. Sometimes you have to take it as it comes, rather than pushing yourself toward goals.

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by irishpeloton on Nov 17, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Your middle paragraph

starting “Perhaps” sums it up. He’s won plenty of sprints, so he may not have the hunger, and anyway his chances in a WC against the kids, Freire, etc aren’t great.

Also, there are three medals in the WC ITT. Just because Cancellara owns the event doesn’t mean Boonen can’t shoot for the podium. A guy who has won so much, and who has a somewhat limited set of opportunities going forward… I can see him looking for new, attainable challenges.

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by Chris... on Nov 17, 2009 1:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, maybe he could try to de-throne Larsson

… as ‘the best of the mortals’ ;-)

by Lou... on Nov 17, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My 2 cents: Boonen's a Classics/power guy, wrongly typed as a sprinter

I can’t prove anything in this post but my feeling all along was that Boonen’s success in sprinting had as much to do with the relatively poor competition he faced as much as anything else. What I mean here is that during the time that he’s been one of the fastest bike riders in the world, his sprinting competition was at a relatively weak point and so his success has been greater in the sprints than it would have been if he had raced at another time.

Competition in any discipline in cycling fluctuates a bit over any given time period and I contend that until Farrar and Cavendish came along, Boonen’s sprinting competition just wasn’t all that great. It just seemed to me that there have been very few pure sprinters the last several years. There was an aging McEwen of course, but the fact that Robbie’s hung on so long says a lot about the competition. Zabel also hung around a long time past his prime, and still had success. Then you have guys like Hushovd and Freire, neither of whom I regard as pure speed merchants as their skill sets encompassed other things than sprinting. Like Boonen they were good at other things plus they had a faster kick at the end than most riders. None of these guys are like Cavendish or Farrar.

I remember an article on Cancellara last spring where he compared himself to Boonen, noting that when they were Juniors they were very similar in what they could do: they were even as sprinters, chronomen, Classics-you name it. But since then Cancellara put more energy into time trialing while Boonen sharpened his sprinting skills. The interesting thing here is that this article was talking about Cancellara’s interest in doing hillier races, which Riis was encouraging. We saw early results of this at the Suisse Tour this year and I wouldn’t at all be surprised to see if he puts more attention towards hillier races this year.

But back to Boonen: I remember thinking at the end of that cancellara article that what is Boonen doing? Is he just content to race the same races year after year or does he have, like Cancellara, other aspirations? Well it’s pretty clear now that like Cancellara, yes Boonen does want to try different things. Plus it makes sense that the first thing he’d try is time trialing. Again, he has Cancellara’s body. Why shouldn’t he be good at time trialing if he put his mind to it? Guessing if he can beat cancellara is just speculation right now but I’d say that if cancellara continues to look at hillier races than, yes, Boonen has the body to put up a good challenge. He just needs to get him mind around it.

by ursula on Nov 17, 2009 2:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Boonen isn't Merckx

I’ve always gotten the impression that he’s a pretty normal guy, not driven to win everything all the time over and over. If he weren’t Belgian on a Belgian team, he might have ventured out into other disciplines ages ago. Particularly since he proved his mettle in the classics already, dominantly, very early on.

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by Chris... on Nov 17, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

True, the motivation thingy isn't his long suit

So there’s less of a chance for Tom and it is for Fabian to reinvent himself.

by ursula on Nov 18, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nor his achilles

He wouldn’t win P-R without a T-O-N of motivation, but I think he’s selective. And could use a new challenge. Getting seriously into “what the hell do I know?” territory here tho.

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by Chris... on Nov 18, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

re "'what the hell do I know?' territory"

It’s a fan site, so that’s cool. It’s not like you have to win a cobbled classic before you can talk about it. :-)

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by Mark Frank on Nov 18, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

To play Devil's advocate...
How can he think he’ll be capable of beating Cancellara

You could ask the same question about Cav, Greipel, and Farrar. I doubt many people would argue Tom is purely faster than any of these guys, and we have seen that at least Cav’s and Farrar’s speed isn’t diminished too much by long distances (MSR this year and Paris-Tours last year, where Farrar won the bunch sprint).

One of the reasons Boonen does well in the cobbled classics is because he has a motor and a half. You can’t factor in races like that, especially where cobbles make drafting a lot more difficult in sections, without a big motor. And let us not forget Flanders in 2005, where Boonen won by riding in alone with not one but TWO T-mobile riders working together to try and bring him back. Added to the impressive nature of that is that Boonen attacked after the Bosberg, the last climb.

If Boonen really puts his weight into this, I think he can be a very good TT man. It may take more than one season to bring him up to the level of Cancellara and other top riders, but in 2 years I see it as a definite possibility.

Especially since Tommeke doesn’t really like to sprint that much anymore.

by dansel on Nov 17, 2009 2:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

No Way

Cancellara is way more of a complete rider than Boonen. He can TT, he can solo to victories (in part b/c of his TT and b/c of his bike handling) He can drive it for his teammates (see the TDF). Power profiles may be similar but Cancellara has one more thing, an insane heart and ability to suffer… for long periods, over and over again. He wins prologues, he wins final TTs, he wins worlds then comes back and, although he didn’t win, he looked like the strongest rider in the Worlds RR. Some people are just BETTER than their counterparts. See Lance at the Tour.

Boonen can improve but, beat FC… I think not, assuming Fabian continues to focus on TTing like he has.

by seanmdo on Nov 17, 2009 2:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

DIsagree

When has Boonen had a GT contender worth suffering for at the expense of his stage-winning or points jersey possibilities? Barredo? Mick Rogers?

He’s ridden for Bettini and Devolder in Monuments.

He rode like stink, to quote Duffield, for HIncapie back in Paris-Roubaix in 2002. He was on the front trying like hell to bring back Museeuw up until Hincapie fell into the ditch. And when you consider that he had been in the early break the fact that he was pulling HIncapie along is revealing.

But, because the responsibilities of each rider within the team differ markedly, I’m not sure the point holds up.

(And . .. as for Boonen’s ability to suffer . . . go back and check the pictures of . . . was it the 06 or 07 Paris-Roubaix . . . look at his shorts for the last 30k . . . and tell me he doesn’t know how to suffer . . .)

by R Mc on Nov 17, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sufferring in a TT is a lot different than sufferring in a RR

Motivation and all the other contextual factors are entirely different, which makes it a hard comparison.

by dansel on Nov 17, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1 very hard comparison

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by sminer on Nov 17, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Boonen

has a green jersey. Counts for something.

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by Chris... on Nov 17, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Boonen is a classics riding icon already.

His Green jersey shows he has grit and muscle and has been a competitive sprinter to boot. If he tries and doesn’t succeed at the TT’ing it certainly won’t hurt the rest of his racing. That kind of suffering should only make him better and more confident at breaking away solo. I welcome anything to bolster his discipline (on and off the bike) and competitiveness.

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by sminer on Nov 17, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Carryover benefits

Perhaps Boonen is thinking about the last to Rondes — Devolder TTing home — and Boonen improves his TTing he can attack from farther out. Or make people worry that he can pull off an attack from farther out.

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by nrs5000 on Nov 17, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Motivation

The last two years, Boonen has gotten himself into trouble after the Spring Classics. He doesn’t seem to be very motivated for GT’s anymore. Maybe he is just trying to find a carrot to dangle at the end of the season to give him a goal he can use to motivate himself and stay out of trouble?

Tickets are bought, Belgium here I come!

by jsallee00 on Nov 17, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Tour

really screwed him this year. Give him a mulligan on that.

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by Chris... on Nov 18, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm 50/50 on this

The truly pro thing to do would have been to prepare for the Tour as if he was definitely riding since they were lobbying so hard for it to happen. Of course this is easier in theory .

by Jens on Nov 18, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Fuentes client and close intimate Twitter friend of Basso? Boo fucking hoo.

by tedvdw on Nov 18, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"well...you live in england so: you love the rain. loves the queen. hates cycling. based on mr bean had a tremendous amount of humour. all ride in a mini cooper. all getting drunk before the age of 12. getting drunk at least 3 times a day."- frinking, 7/9/09

by benrazor on Nov 18, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Discipline
I welcome anything to bolster his discipline (on and off the bike) and competitiveness.

In my opinion he’ll need all the discipline he can musterbefore he attempts to become a world beating time trial rider. I don’t think the process itself will bolster his discipline.

It seems to be a very divisive topic. Oh and thanks for the bump to the front page Chris!

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by irishpeloton on Nov 17, 2009 5:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't act surprised you got the front page.

Pandering to Chris with a title that starts: TOM BOONEN for President… or something.

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by sminer on Nov 17, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I = Oh

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by sminer on Nov 17, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"Tom Boonen wins Super Bowl!"

I’m in.

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by Chris... on Nov 18, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, some new, mad time trialling skills could aid and abet him if he fancies another Maillot Vert.

The wearing of the green is not so sprinter-exclusive, eh?

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by Josenka on Nov 17, 2009 5:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Definitely called “points jersey” not “sprinter’s jersey”

by tedvdw on Nov 17, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

indeed

although he probably has to drop some weight to get over the climbs. Not sure how the weight vs power thing shakes out…

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by Chris... on Nov 17, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He weighs around 180 in the classics but in the Vuelta pics he defintely slimmed down and it shows...

which can take away top end power i.e. sprinting. If he goes down into the 170’s slowly and keeps the muscle, he could still have enough weight for the classics and go better on rolling TT’s

by Vlaanderen90 on Nov 17, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know how this is going to turn out...

but I’m really looking forward to watching it. I always enjoy it when a rider who is really good at a certain set of races decides to broaden his abilities. It’s a bit like watching Gilbert take on the Ardennes this year, though it’s been fairly clear he had that in him.

by gavia on Nov 17, 2009 8:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Much agreement here

That’s why I get so excited about the prospect of Cancellara in Amstel/Liege, Boonen in Amstel (I think he could win one year), and, my favorite, Contador at Liege.

by dansel on Nov 17, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

here's the click...

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on Nov 17, 2009 9:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

You mean

this one? :-)

BTW, my neighbours want to thank you for inspiring this evening’s musical journey ;-). Just about to move on to NWA now…

by Lou... on Nov 18, 2009 2:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

NWA? Do I want know?

(I’m too scared to click on the link)….

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Nov 18, 2009 2:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, if you don't already know...

…you probably ought to ;-) NWA (Go on – I’ve even ticked the ‘new window’ box for you!)

by Lou... on Nov 18, 2009 5:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and here's the *LANGUAGE WARNING* ;-)

(should go without saying… it’s NWA, therefore there is likely to be profanity, LOL…)

by Lou... on Nov 18, 2009 5:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Language is not an issue.

The fact that I can’t see the musicality in this is a reminder of my middle-age hood ;)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Nov 18, 2009 5:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The thing that scares me

… is the thought that the song is now 20 years old.

I was in high school – and I didn’t see the musicality in it at the time, either. My appreciation for the genre came when I was at uni :-)

by Lou... on Nov 18, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Their name

is a language warning. Then you add in Dre…

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Nov 18, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That was cruel... my eardrums and my psyche are reeling ;)

How did we get here on a Tom Boonen speculation thread? Remind me… I’m traumatised from the rap =(

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Nov 18, 2009 5:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh thank you for that lesson in old skool

Every now and then I have to remind myself how great rap was when it was a venue for social protest.

by dansel on Nov 18, 2009 9:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yea well, old skool got schooled when eminem came along

i agree about the social protest part but the rhyming was grade skool

No horn, watch for finger.

by sminer on Nov 18, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No way

that Kool Moe Dee had some serious funke, funke wisdom. That’s why he clobbered LL Cool J.

Oh .. . nevermind. Point granted.

by R Mc on Nov 18, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Point granted

Eminem has way more intriguing rhymes/lyrics, and I respect him alongside the social protest stuff.

by dansel on Nov 18, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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