LA doctor guilty on all charges. Updated
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=7096514
I just got a call from a friend that they found the Doctor/photograher (yea photographer, he said he stopped to take photos of the cyclists to file a report with the police) guilty on all counts. If this updated story is correct these charges are more than I first heard and carry the possibility of more jail time, possibly 10 years according to this article. Could be a handsome penalty and jail time for this guy, I sure hope so. All I have to say is "amen" in response to an earlier discussion about this story. Thanks go out to the jurors.
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let him skip jail...
…just take away his car keys.
by gregm on Nov 2, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I say lock the douche bag up
or whatever it is that they to do all the other people convicted of assault with a deadly weapon. If the guy had assaulted them while standing on the side of the road with a baseball bat, or a gun, would you advocate that they let him skip jail and just take away his bat or his gun?
by Jimbo... on Nov 2, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
This guy had a history of harassing cyclists and pretty clearly had been intending to at least intimidate cyclists on a seemingly regular basis. The tragedy is that the LAPD could have filed charges in an earlier case, but declined. VN has and article here, and a sidebar of articles going back to July.
I hope he has a very long and uncomfortable time in jail.
Tickets are bought, Belgium here I come!
by jsallee00 on Nov 2, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hell yea, tear this old fart a new one.
I hope the cyclists follow with a civil suit and take not only his keys, his car, his other car, his house and retirement bank and kick him to the curb shirtless. Let the f-ing asshat be a shining example to others that taking on cyclists with your car is not a cute game to play.
No horn, watch for finger.
by sminer on Nov 2, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
let him skip jail...
I agree – jail won’t do anything to solve his problems, or the problem generally of dangerous car drivers.
For an individual who is into the ‘I am my car/I rule the road’ ego-gratification power trip, taking away the privilege of driving is a HUGE punishment.
It would serve society so much better if he was to be sentenced to spend the next many years working full time, gratis, in whatever the ‘most public’ LA County hospital emergency room, treating the various inner-city type ER traumas.
And pay hefty restitution to the victims in this case.
MBT
by ManBicycleThing on Nov 2, 2009 8:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Forgot to put in there...
He should, obviously, never drive a car again.
by ManBicycleThing on Nov 2, 2009 8:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I like what Vlaanderen90 suggests
“He should be forced to bike everywhere.”
No horn, watch for finger.
by sminer on Nov 2, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A jail sentence for this guy would be a step toward solving the problem of dangerous drivers
I think a stiff jail sentence for this driver could do a lot of good as a deterrent to other danerous drivers.
Deterrence is often cited as a basis for sentences of imprisonment, but for many types of crimes, the threat of a jail term probably doesn’t act as much of a deterrent. It’s not likely to deter someone who kills in the heat of passion, for example, or someone who commits crimes to finance a drug habit, or someone who considers the occassional jail term to be the cost of doing business as a career criminal.
But for crimes like this one, the deterrent effect of the threat of a prison sentence could be substantial. People like this defendant — otherwise law-abiding citizens with comfortable lives, status in the community, etc. — are exactly the sort of people who will be deterred from dangerous behavior by the threat of prison time. Do you think this guy would have done what he did if he thought he’d spend five years in prison for it? No way! He did what he did because he thought he’d be punished lightly, if at all.
A lifetime driver’s license suspension sounds good in theory, but it is a highly unlikely sentence, and would be very difficult to enforce. People drive without licenses all the time, and as long as they don’t get pulled over for traffic violations, they mostly get away with it.
A sentence of doing community service as an emergency room doctor is the type of softball “punishment” often handed to wealthy, highly educated criminals who “have a lot to offer” to the community. I find this kind of sentence offensive. If this defendant had been a garbage collector rather than a doctor, I doubt anyone would suggest he do community service to the city collecting garbage for free rather than go to jail. This criminal had the privilege of working as an emergency room doctor as an exciting, lucrative, and probably otherwise rewarding career. To permit him to do his chosen work, and receive all the rewards he got from it during his career, other than a salary (which he probably doesn’t need anyway) is no punishment.
by Tifosa on Nov 2, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree about sentencing
They need to throw the maximum at him in this case. Say he’s handed the 5 years and only serves a year, it will serve just fine as a deterrent. The headlines will show everyone that he’s going to jail- think about that drivers-with-a-beef-against-cyclists.
No horn, watch for finger.
by sminer on Nov 2, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If the ‘deterrence’ theory really held, incarceration wouldn’t be the growth industry that it is today.
by ManBicycleThing on Nov 2, 2009 11:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
A cyclist has no steel bumber and no air bags.
At any moderate speed a cyclist is in danger of life threatening injury and he knew it. He should sit in jail just to punish him for intentionally endangering the lives of other people. He did it before. He was trying to hurt those guys and he should be punished for it.
I waited a half an hour to give my two toddlers breakfast until I had my Eneco tour coverage sorted, then made sure I got them fed before the sprint. --- Bought With Blood. ..... Hmmm, my kinda people. If only they could explain to my wife why my bike belongs in the house and not the garage. --- Thevaro
by thevaro on Nov 2, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a doctor
I bet he’s treated cyclists before. He knew exactly what he risked doing to their bodies.
by LurkerMcLurkerson on Nov 5, 2009 6:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and if the prisons were filled with doctors who had committed vehicular assault,
a general disdain for the deterrence theory might be relevant in this case.
As I said in my original post, the threat of a prison sentence won’t work as a deterrent in many cases. This, however, is one of the rare cases in which it could work.
Upper- and middle-class drivers who are hostile toward cyclists are not run-of-the-mill criminals. They are people who, like this retired physician, have a lot more to lose by going to prison than the average criminal does.
by Tifosa on Nov 3, 2009 12:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
“not guilty” would have been a scary verdict for cyclists that ride in traffic
Moo
by Willj on Nov 3, 2009 2:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, you don't see
the not guilty verdicts all that often, because they never go to court in the first place. Let’s see:
http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/07/dallas-police-one-day-suspensi.html
Cop kills a kid on a bike while racing through a neighborhood at night (est speed at time of impact 69-92mph. In a 40). Result? One day suspension.
~
http://www.tucsonbikelawyer.com/heavy/
One of the saddest pictures you’ll ever see. It’s a "photograph of seven year old Kylie Bruehler. She is at a funeral service to bury her parents, both of whom were killed last week when a driver veered onto the shoulder and drove his pickup truck into them.
[ . . . ]
The local news reports that "investigators say there are no charges on the driver. They believe this was an accident and that somehow the driver lost control of his truck.""
~
http://www.thewashcycle.com/2009/10/more-on-leymeister-fatality.html
Driver kits and kills a man from behind, in broad daylight, on the road. No charges filed.
I can, as one might imagine, go on. As an Austin columnist said, cyclists are treated like deer on the road.
by Sui Juris on Nov 3, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is the saddest picture.
Cancellara was robbed! There is none better.
by Mark Frank on Nov 3, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still can't get over the "no charges"/it was an accident.
If that driver had hit a parked car there would have been charges, “accident” or not. If he had run over a mailbox he would have been held accountable. Two human lives are worth squat the second they straddle a bicycle. That’s disturbing. What is the thought process that comes to that conclusion?
Cancellara was robbed! There is none better.
by Mark Frank on Nov 5, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the "new"
danger is the huge percentage of drivers surfing facebook (or whatever) on their phones.
at least in Britain they are coming down hard on drivers in accidents – who have clearly been using a phone
Moo
by Willj on Nov 3, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
funny that you mention that
as I was just thinking last night about how those sentences in Britain* were another example where punishment-as-deterrence is quite legit.
(And only slightly related: driving while on the phone is something I’ve done a complete 180 on. I used to argue up and down that it wasn’t unlike eating fries or talking to the person next to you. So completely wrong, I was. Now I won’t even continue a conversation with someone if they’re driving while on the phone.)
*Which seems to otherwise be engaging in more and more ridiculous behavior these days, policy-wise.
by Sui Juris on Nov 3, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
high chance of getting caught is a better deterrent than severe punishment. I have also seen that stated as being the accepted result of serious behavioural research. Do you know anything about that, would you have references?
by tedvdw on Nov 3, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
there is a recent case in France
where someone recently got a ticket for smoking while driving.
The theory being that they were doing something that interfered with driving …… seems harsh …. I suspect the law’s intent is at phone users
Moo
by Willj on Nov 3, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone was given a ticket here for eating an apple
or a sandwich. Or maybe both stories are true. I have some sympathy, because most people I know start to drive badly with any little distraction. The thing that worries me most is when I’m a passenger in a car, some other car does something unexpected, then the driver turns to me to complain about said driver. because nine times out of ten he will do something stupid while he’s going on about how bad this other driver is.
by Monty. on Nov 4, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
personally, both work
I avoid any activity that risks “throwing it all away”
and separately I drive like a snail due to the ease of getting Swiss traffic fines
Moo
by Willj on Nov 3, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One of the silver linings of tech-caused accidents
however is that often it’s easier to get evidence of wrongdoing. That truck driver who killed the couple on the tandem- a genuine accident or was he driving recklessly? It would be hard for a crash investigator to determine.
But if the phone company has a record of you speaking on the phone or the text you sent at the time of the accident, at least the police have solid evidence.
And if humans are capable of being deterred by a higher chance of getting caught, then maybe we’ll see the numbers of these accidents go down, as people realise that they are leaving the equivalent of fingerprints at the crime scene every time they talk/text while behind the wheel.
by LurkerMcLurkerson on Nov 5, 2009 6:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think "talking" on the phone
is the least of the problem. It’s the texting, typing, surfing …. as it pretty much requires looking away.
Re: Britain. Ye, but still don’t read the Daily Mail or one might become suicidal at the state of things.
I think you are absolutely correct. It’s about as clear an example of deterrance being obviously effective. Reading about someone getting jail time for texting and then causing in an accident – MUST be a wake-up call to millions.
France has cut road deaths drastically in recent years …. but it’s just flattened out …. I have no doubt it’s due to texting drivers
Moo
by Willj on Nov 3, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shared responsibility
some cyclist out there are really inconsiderate, riding two wide abreast or in main road when there’s sufficient room in hard shoulder – would you not agree that there are some cyclist out there that are like that?
"Many poeple can talk but have not won any endurance events, I can talk because I won."
by joeyc on Nov 3, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The world is full of irresponsible, inconsiderate assholes
Some ride bikes, some drive Hummers. What is your point?
by Jimbo... on Nov 3, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jimbo
you (of course being super wise) hit the key mistake in these debates made by the anti-bike people:
There are idiot bikers …. and people say ban all bikers
There are idiot (or drunk) drivers …. but no one ever says ban all drivers
Moo
by Willj on Nov 3, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Before you say too much
I’m an active athlete but to get to events I do have to drive and once too often I’ve been delayed by fellow bikers taking over a whole single lane – now that’s inconsiderate.
I appreciate we all have to train but do take care not to be a cause of contention.
"Many poeple can talk but have not won any endurance events, I can talk because I won."
by joeyc on Nov 3, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you mised my point
entirely (I fear)
Moo
by Willj on Nov 3, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
as an aside
it is often “good” biking to take over the lane versus staying at the side or road.
For example, when entering a round about or a complicated intersection.
and once too often I’ve been delayed
Ha. for 20 seconds or so? …. this is time that you will never get back. The shame.
And again, I agree there are idiot cyclists as there are idiot bikers.
Moo
by Willj on Nov 3, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
idiot cyclists as there are idiot bikers.
oops and iodiot forum pundits …. like me
Ca devrait dire:
“idiot cyclists as there are idiot drivers.”
Moo
by Willj on Nov 3, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That annoys me!
or 20 seconds or so
Seriously.. The most ridiculous actions have been made on the road for 10secs. It’s just idiotically.
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Nov 3, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So +100 for your point basically
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Nov 3, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you didn't need to explain
I speak Frinking ;)
Moo
by Willj on Nov 3, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hasn't that become the universal language here?
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Nov 4, 2009 7:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that J on the end of your name
helps no doubt.
by LurkerMcLurkerson on Nov 5, 2009 6:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
erm, never heard of riding defensively then?
never had to do it?
by civetta on Nov 3, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope that you are a professional athlete to say that you are an "active" athlete
Otherwise your just an arrogant asshole who thinks nobody else here is an “active” athlete. I have also won a bike race or 2 but it gives me no right to say I know better than everybody else.
by Vlaanderen90 on Nov 3, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Professional athlete, I'm guessing 'no' on this one.
No horn, watch for finger.
by sminer on Nov 3, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he is also subject to a civil suit for damages
link here, see the last paragraph,
which in all likelihood he now has no defense to in light of his conviction.
"The road is our agony, but also our daily bread; and at night, when it is deserted and the moon glistens on the asphalt, the ridiculous dreams of racers like us pass up and down it."
--Dino Buzzati
by nrs5000 on Nov 2, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
tommyrot - a long sentence will do nothing
It would only work if irresponsible drivers (whether through deliberate misbehaviour or incompetence) genuinely think there’s a chance and face the penalty. In practice the police rarely follow these things up and when they do getting a prosecution is tricky.
I’m afraid this is exactly the same poor argument trotted out in support of lifetime bans for cyclists which also don’t work because the detection rate has been so low
That doesn’t mean it’s not an appropriate punishment for him but to expect it to deter others is I’m afraid b******t
by thebongolian on Nov 3, 2009 8:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that should have read
genuinely think there’s a chance of being caught and face the penalty
by thebongolian on Nov 3, 2009 8:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think with this case...
the deterrent is in the form of education. I don’t think the majority of motorists know the laws concerning interaction with cyclists on the road. Cases like this one show motorists that cyclists have rights, there are laws protecting cyclists rights, and there are serious punishments for not respecting those rights. There are going to be some people that get news of this case and say, “Wow, I didn’t know that.” There are a lot of people here that yell at us to ride single file because they think it’s the law. If they knew it wasn’t the law, I don’t think most of those people would keep yelling that and their increasing anger about it would probably subside.
I still haven’t seen any mention about whether riding two abreast there is okay or not. It seems that from the descriptions of the road location that riding two abreast would not be a big deal, and obviously it wasn’t an issue for the driver to go around the cyclists.
No horn, watch for finger.
by sminer on Nov 3, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
unfortunately
i think this guy was nailed only because it was obvious he caused the accident on purpose. If it had been an accident or if it had not been so obvious that he did it on purpose, there would have been no charges. And that is what everyone knows. So i think this case will be filed away by everyone as an act of aggression that was punished. If it had just been carelessness or inattention …
Too bad. The step that needs to happen is that people lose their license for accidentally hitting cyclists or pedestrians (except in cases where it was unavoidable which is pretty rare, although it does happen).
by yeehoo on Nov 4, 2009 4:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very encouraging.
Juries tend to take the driver’s side far too often—it’s refreshing to see a high-profile conviction.
by majope on Nov 2, 2009 7:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hope he rots because of this...
Too many people get away with these types of crimes but hopefully this is changing. If he ever gets out of prison, He should be forced to bike everywhere.
by Vlaanderen90 on Nov 2, 2009 8:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Huh.
Can’t say I entirely expected this. Good news.
I’ll get my own retributive satisfaction after I see the civil judgment.
by Sui Juris on Nov 2, 2009 11:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
He probably won’t be able to afford a fancy car when he gets out of prison. Maybe a second-hand bicycle?
by LurkerMcLurkerson on Nov 5, 2009 6:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad to see the conviction...
And I hope he gets jail time, so he knows it’s serious.
Weird thing is, he will probably become a folk hero for bike-hating morons. Can’t you just imagine Rush Limbaugh pontificating about crazy California juries?
by tgartner on Nov 3, 2009 12:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
And eeh. It would be nice if there was a related article in the 'introduction'
The problem is.. The car has such a huge advanatge over the bike in the USA. I doubt that will come close to each other. Also a mentality problem. The car is the way to transport yourself. I just hope it doens’t become the situation in Holland
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Nov 3, 2009 1:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I know.. This was my fault
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Nov 3, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't take this the wrong way but......
In no way am I going to defend what this doc did and I agree with most of the comments above BUT…….
When has giving a motorist the finger ever worked out to a cyclists advantage?
I commute to work for most of the spring, summer, and fall. Engaging these miscreants in a rude manner has only caused me (1) to get worked up over something I can’t control (2) to ride with an attitude so that when someone makes a simple mistake I’d overreact and (3) occasionally have to ride like hell away from someone who took the finger to heart. Its much easier to give a friendly wave (take down the number, and file a police report if the behavior warrants it).
It seems to me that this doc drove that street with a ridiculously short wick and these poor guys almost paid for their lives with it.
by pooziepie on Nov 3, 2009 8:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Trying no to take it the wrong way but...
It reminds me of someone saying to rape victims that they shouldn’t have worn such provocative clothing. “Girlfriend should of kept it wrapped up, then maybe it wouldn’t have happened” Sorry, if someone flies by me a foot off my shoulder doing 55mph, my finger flies up like a knee jerk reaction. I can’t take down a number at that speed. If I’m a girl living in Charleston during the summer, I’m going braless and wearing a miniskirt.
No horn, watch for finger.
by sminer on Nov 3, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would never argue that giving someone the finger is wise
but sometimes it’s all you got.
by Jimbo... on Nov 3, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Drivers don't understand
cyclists feeling defensive, paranoid, and ready to lash out at any careless moron who threatens to put them in the hospital because his blackberry went off. It’s not rational, and the car folks will never get it, cuz they can’t stand in our shoes.
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Nov 4, 2009 12:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what i do rather than the finger
is to just raise my arm as to say “what the fuck?”. Raise their attention to the fact that they’ve screwed up by coming too close or whatever but without calling them names. Hey i screw up on the bike sometimes too, i prefer when drivers are cool about it.
But it is a difficult situation in the U.S. – the roads really are designed for cars – wide lanes and the traffic is fast. Very difficult on the cyclists and given all the road rage directed at them i can understand them reacting with the finger. Seems to be a tendency on both sides to jump straight to rage the moment their “rights” are slightly interfered with. But still, the more you can keep your cool, the better.
by yeehoo on Nov 4, 2009 4:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I try to think and act more like Ghandi than say Dirty Harry. I have more power that way than if I act like a movie character. I am not Ghandi and my finger has saluted a lot of individuals but I get a lot more satisfaction from the instances where I thanked or acknowledged others with a simple wave. “Be the change you want to see in the world.”
Cancellara was robbed! There is none better.
by Mark Frank on Nov 4, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yep . . . but more effective
is to pull your cell-phone out of your pocket.
You could video the car, take a photo, or call 911. All of these possibilities tend to get the attention of drivers more productively than flipping them off.
by R Mc on Nov 4, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I do this (the photo and follow up call to local police).
Well, as often as I can. Which is not, regrettably, as often as I’d like.
by Sui Juris on Nov 4, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
London cyclists use helmet cameras
to video incidents
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23440062-cycle-cam-shames-drivers-on-youtube.do
Moo
by Willj on Nov 4, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Headline Prediction
Local Council Warns Helmet-Cam Wielding Cyclists Against Infringing On Drivers’ Privacy
by Sui Juris on Nov 4, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The cyclist just needs to wear a sign
saying “please be aware that CCTV footage is being recorded for your own security & safety”. That should do it.
by civetta on Nov 5, 2009 5:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's a really good idea
This guy had been reported to the police before but they declined to press charges.
But if the cops investigating an alleged road rage incident find out that other cyclists have made complaints about the same driver, they might be inclined to pursue a case more aggressively.
It sucks when other drivers and the police and jury members don’t take road rage against cyclists as seriously as they should, but we can help change those attitudes by pursuing complaints through the appropriate channels.
by LurkerMcLurkerson on Nov 5, 2009 7:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
note the disclaimer
Sorry you missed my intended point, Sminer. I wasn’t trying lump these cyclists in with rape victims at all. I’d like to think that telling someone to “$#@$ off” is alot different than wearing a short skirt.
I guess it comes down to how much confrontation you want in your life. Having been run off the road more than once and having a gun pointed at a group I was riding in, I’m gonna keep these thoughts to myself most of the time. By being liberal with the finger, you up the ante in a fight you will most often lose.
by pooziepie on Nov 4, 2009 9:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to give the impression that I'm finger-happy.
I’ve become numb to most stuff, some stuff gets the WTF arm raise, and the rarer really threatening stuff gets the finger and the ’don’t let me catch you at the next stop sign’ feeling. I always try to thank the drivers that show being cautious is more important than maintaining their same speed. I don’t lose me cool on the bike, but I have reflexes. Don’t take my signature as someone flipping off the world, I rarely blow my horn, likewise with the finger. But when my finger flies, I welcome the receiver to stop or turn around and question “why?”, I’d love to the opportunity to explain my motive.
No horn, watch for finger.
by sminer on Nov 4, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually caught "the guy" at the next stoplight once...
Teenage kid in the passenger seat, flipped us off for no reason. Dad/fatherly figure/older guy in the driver seat, didn’t notice. So when I saw them at the stoplight <1 minute later, I sprinted up to the passenger side and calmly said through the open window: “be careful with that finger; you might flip off the wrong guy someday.” The light turned green and we rolled away. He looked embarrassed and fearful.
I’m not much of a pugalist when I’m NOT on the bike. I can’t imagine bowing up on some knucklehead and trying to get into a fista-cuffs whilst wearing cleats and straddling an expensive bike. Personally, I never throw the finger – on a bike, in a car (in a plane, on the train, etc), but prolly for different reasons. The “WTF Arm Raise” and the disappointed head shake are my default moves. Occasionally, I’ll applaud or even blow a kiss, but that’s only when I’m near my ’hood and I got some sprint left in the legs…;-)
"My facking goat didn’t wear Robes! Does he look Scottisch?!" Baron von Frinkenstein
by itswells on Nov 5, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i find it is way better
to not react. Keep your cool. Chill. More anger just produces more anger.
by yeehoo on Nov 4, 2009 4:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SC Bike Law,
it’s not a force field that surrounds you on your bike that deflects cars and objects thrown from windows, but it’s a pretty good defense of cyclists rights in SC. And from what I see, cycling is growing in the Charleston area. Check out the page about H3006.
http://www.bikeleague.org/members/pdfs/american_bicyclist_july_august_08.pdf
No horn, watch for finger.
by sminer on Nov 4, 2009 12:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Usually I keep calm about it but there was this one time on a group ride that me and my teammates were riding on an empty road and
a guy came up beside us and told us to ride single file. We didn’t comply since we were riding double file. Then he kind of rode into us and broke our group up. So one of my teammates punched his driver side mirror out.
This case just makes me happy that there is a little bit of justice for all of the crimes that have slipped through the cracks.
by Vlaanderen90 on Nov 4, 2009 12:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
In the spirit of talking about the hard time cyclists get
these photos might amuse/bemuse/perhaps enrage.
by Drongo on Nov 6, 2009 12:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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