A Quick Peek at RadioShack's Chances For 2010
It's all over the web: Team RadioShack's final roster. Below is my take on how they'll do. You may disagree with some of my conclusions, though why you would do that, I have no idea. ;)
Edit: That Beppu and Zubeldia are on RadioShack is news to their former teams it seems. Below I talk about the team like they are but who knows? Maybe they'll form a completely different Team Limbo with Wiggo.
At first glance you might think Disco is back. Many of these boys are Disco alumni from one year or another:
Armstrong, Beppu, Brajkovic, Leipheimer, Li, McCartney, Paulinho, Popovych, Rubiera, and Vaitkus. But that's only 10 of the 26 so to be cautious we shouldn't get too carried away with the Disco Reunion Tour 2010 meme-even if those nine represent most of the key riders for next year. Plus of course you have most of the team management back from the Disco days so maybe that ReunionTour meme is correct.
What about second glance? Bunch of geezers on this team, probably more than any other team. Riders who will be 30 or more next year with age as of the Tour de France (to pick a race totally at random) in parenthesis:
Armstrong (38), Horner (38), Irizar (30), Kloden (35), Leipheimer (36), McCartney (36), Muravyev (30), Paulinho (30), Popovych (30), Rast (30), Rubiera (37), Zubeldia (33).
That's 12 of the 26 for those keeping track at home. Oh-notice that six seven of these guys are on both lists so far.
Another way to look at the team: If you combined their VDS scores from this year (2009) you would get.... 2882 points, good enough for 13th place in the final 2009 standings, behind 12th place Euskaltel and ahead of Lampre. Their leading scorers from this year? Surprise! Andreas Kloden! 642 points. 2nd-Levi Leipheimer with 603, and 3rd Lance Armstrong with 568.
All right, enough with the team. How are they gonna do next year?
I'll do this by type of race:
1) Cobbles prospects: slim and none.
Johan Bruyneel-led teams have a well deserved reputation for underperforming in the cobbled classics and there's no reason to think that the results might change next year. Like in year's past, they have some guys who look perfect for springtime in Belgium: Rast, Vaitkus, and Steegmans all have the combination of size, strength, and speed to do well. But outside of some random race where one of them gets top five (but doesn't win) they will barely register a pulse in Belgium. When I say "random race" I truly mean it: it could be KBK or Flanders. E3 or DDP. Whatever. Some race one of them will get in the final break, purely (IMO) because they have the talent to do so, which for that race will overcome the lack of strategy or interest on Management's part.
2) Ardennes and other hilly one day races: slim but perhaps better than the cobbles.
They have a bit more of a history of success when the one day races get hilly. Janez Brajkovic has gotten 2nd at Lombardia. Chris Horner does know how to get into the final selection of races like this even if he doesn't have the finishing speed to win. But the team really has a history of not emphasizing any one day races so any wins here, hell any podiums, would be shockers.
3) Stage races-decent
We all know that this is a team built for stage races.. But there are lots of stage races so I'm breaking them down into four categories: random, targeted, California and the Tour. (Yes I put ToC and Tour in the same sentence. But that's the way it is with this team.)
3A) Random stage races-fair to good prospects
This team is crazy deep in stage racing talent so it goes that there will be stage races they find themselves in mainly for practice that they podium or even win. Like last year Chris Horner got second in the Tour de l'Ain. Or Levi won Castilla and Leon. Brajkovic snagged 2nd at Trentino. This team is filled with good climbers who are also good at time trialing so expect some decent results at lower profile stage races.
3B) Targeted stage races-also good results but probably no wins.
When I say "targeted" here I mean races from Paris-Nice, Tirreno-Adriatico, The Giro and Vuelta, possibly a Spanish stage race or Pais Vasco, and Suisse, Romandie and the Dauphine. Honestly I am tempted to put the Giro in the random stage race category as I don't see who on this team is gonna make a real run at it. I can imagine in fact the Giro not inviting them as Lance will be in California.
So other than the Giro these races are important to one or another of the team leaders here. The interesting race among these though is Paris-Nice as this will be the race where RadioShack takes on Contador and Astana for the first time. Must see TV there- and I haven't even mentioned the liked of Lulu defending his crown and the other good riders who'll be there. But how they try to attack Bert will be interesting.
The other races here-like Kloden at T-A, and Suisse, are important races to gauge if these old guys have lost anything. They will put in the efforts-but will they pay off? My guess is that we'll see some podiums but no wins in the higher profile races here. Maybe Levi can pull off another win like he did at Castilla and Leon.
3C) Tour of Califiornia-great success lies ahead!
The main question here is who, besides Lance might deny Levi a fourth win? radioShack will bring most of its heavy hotter to this race and it will be interesting to see if any other team tries to contest the final result. Garmin and Saxo Bank are the most likely. Saxo? They don't race the Giro really so in theory their Schlecks, Cancellaras, Jens!, etc. will have open dates and could race here. But will they race hard? We'll have to see. That leaves Garmin as Columbia will not contest the GC. Garmin has tried to beat Levi the last two times and failed and I see no reason why that will change. At the end of the season, California will probably be the biggest success this team will have.
3D) Tour de France-ah, no. Sorry.
Unlike in the past, a Bruyneel-led team (here RadioShack) won't be the dominant team at the Tour. Saxo will be at least as strong while Astana will be strong enough along with having the best rider. On paper in mid-November, Saxo, RadioShack, Astana, Rabobank, and Liquigas all will field teams that, if one of their riders gets into the lead, they can successfully defend for several stages through the mountains to hold on for the win.
But now to Lance. Do you believe that Lance will be stronger this year, like he contends? That must mean that you believe in Santa too! Congratulations! Have a party!
The thing is, no one wins a Grand Tour at the age of 38. No one. No matter how much hype he generates. Unless he goes to Forks for some special blood work. Short of that, there will be a drumbeat of press hyping Lance as better than last year. But it won't make a difference. What I'll be interested in seeing fro this team at the Tour is what Levi will do. He too is too old to win but IMO Levi is theoretically the closest to Bert in ability. I could imagine telling Levi to stick with Bert wherever he goes, sort of a cycling equivalent of a basketball box-and-one defense. Hmmm. But I can't imagine Bruyneel and Lance having that type of subtlety. And of course Bert isn't the only rider that they need to worry about.
So to me, RadioShack will probably place two riders in the top ten, one in the top five perhaps. That's if everything falls into place. Given the age of their main guys, the likelihood of injuries will probably see them at less than full strength for the Tour. A bad case scenario is no one in the top ten, maybe one on the top 20, one of their main guys being injured for the Tour, and one crashing out. (Of course armageddon would see Lance getting injured pre-Tour and not starting. But that might free Levi at least.) They will create some excitement, especially when they see themselves falling behind.
Summary
The team will finish around 10th place in the VDS team standings next year. Best case is around 6-9. Probably 9-14. If a lot of injuries happen: 13-17.
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when's the last time
an entire TdF team was above 30?
"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."
by ant1 on Nov 24, 2009 4:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
They have the token Asians this year so that Trek can market into Asia...
with Fuyu Li and apparently Beppu but it is contested. This roster is filled with a lot of fluff and I don’t understand a lot of the signings
The one guy I think that will shine, that is new, is Matt Busche. He is stellar and should turn heads in the bigger races this year.
by Vlaanderen90 on Nov 24, 2009 4:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Meaning Tour de Langkawi(or however it's spelled) domination baby!
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by Phil H. on Nov 24, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with it all pretty much, but a healthy Levi may be able to contest for a Tour podium
maybe Lance as well, and Kloden can still get a top 10 so they may win the teams classification. It’s all about July as always with JB/LA and yes the ToC. But when did Zubeldia get the OK to leave Astana? I must have missed something.
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by Phil H. on Nov 24, 2009 5:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Zubes
I never saw an official notice that he could leave Astana either. The last saw was that he was looking for a loophole. So, yeah, he’s up in the air.
Levi, I can see on the podium at the Tour but it depends on a) that he doesn’t have a bad day, which is something that’s happened to him in several Grand Tours, and b) what his relationship with Lance really is: will he defer to Lance, and, if so, how much? Possibly the ToC might tell us something in advance o how those two are gonna be leaders. Either there or Paris-Nice.
Kloden and Lance lose a lot with no TTT I think. That and that windy early stage where they got in on Columbia’s/Hincapie’s break, really set them up for a good Tour last year. Since they probably won’t have either working for them this year, they’ve got some problems. Specifically, they lose being in front of their competitors and I think for these guys, they need to be either out in front or right up with the lead before the Alps or they will get lost in the shuffle.
by ursula on Nov 24, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There is no way Lance will allow the ToC results to determine Tour status
seeing Levi is the ToC God!!! No TTT definitely hurts the entire Shack list of contenders, especially with the new Astana squad not very deep on TTists. I do see Lance/Shack trying to put some hurt into Bert on the cobbles because the mountains do favor Bert a ton. But after Bert and Andy I don’t see anyone who is a lock to beat Lance or Levi at the moment, so a podium I still see in place for either one.
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by Phil H. on Nov 24, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, but
the Tour does not visit Italy next year.
by tedvdw on Nov 24, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good point
Interesting to see what, if anything, comes of that TAS case.
Sánchez will also put all his eggs in the Tour basket. I also think Sastre on this course should not be dismissed.
by gavia on Nov 24, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm liking Sastre for a high GC too
He has to be happy about the high number of climbs. kind of a course to beat people down rather than favor only explosiveness, which favors him for a higher GC. Well, except for the stage to Montee Laurent Jalabert (stg 12). The short, steep-as-hell climb could catch him out if ’Bert and the Schlecklet decide to toss down the gauntlet.
by dansel on Nov 25, 2009 1:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah him right
well maybe the UCI will actually do som…..yeah right, he could challenge but I think ASO may have the last say on all of this.
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by Phil H. on Nov 24, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't remember Kloden getting in on that break. Did he?
No horn, watch for finger.
by sminer on Nov 24, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He did not
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by Phil H. on Nov 24, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HEY
Wasn’t Jason McCartney a Disco too? Before CSC?
That changes it to Ten alumni and HALF of the team will be over 30 at the TdF
by MavicMoto on Nov 24, 2009 5:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
MY GOD-YOU ARE RIGHT!!!!!
Corrected above!
by ursula on Nov 24, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Skill says they were hit by surprise with the announcement..
that Beppu left to RadiShack. They said Beppu has a contract until 2010 so for now he rides for Skill next season..
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1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Nov 24, 2009 6:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Heh that isn't all that surprising
I never even heard the news he was heading to Shack, just as with Zubeldia. I guess Shack just finalized the roster by whom they believed should be on the team and not who they actually have under contract.
Look, it's a bird...no, it's a plane....oh never mind it's just fucking balloon boy
by Phil H. on Nov 24, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Popovych really 30?
I still think of him as an up-and-coming youngster
by Monty. on Nov 24, 2009 6:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
There is a joke to be made here
of creatures sucking the youth out of others to experience eternal youth themselves. Like say, the kind of youth that enables you to win Tours at age 39.
by Jens on Nov 24, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does the punchline involve one or both of the Olsens?
by Monty. on Nov 24, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I'd totally cheer for Team Dorian Gray.
Oscar Wilde would make a kick-ass DS. He’d give great soundbites, and I think he and Lance would share a similar outlook. I could see Lance saying (or at least thinking) any of these:
“The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it. Resist it, and your soul grows sick with longing for the things it has forbidden to itself, with desire for what its monstrous laws have made monstrous and unlawful.”
“There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.”
“I don’t want to be at the mercy of my emotions. I want to use them, to enjoy them, and to dominate them”
The only issue would be making sure the French Gendarmes were kept well away from Shepard Fairey’s Livestrong portrait of Lance and his Golden Fleece.
Actually, one thing that Dorian Gray reminds me of is that the person in the role of Faust always pays in the end. In cycling, the deal with the devil seems to catch up with dopers in the form of health problems after they retire. And if Lance really did win those 7 Jerseys by yielding to temptation, he might have been able to cheat the peloton, but not himself.
by LurkerMcLurkerson on Nov 25, 2009 3:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That explains Bruyneel's tweets
He’s doing an Oscar Wilde impersonation.
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Nov 25, 2009 4:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There's a reason why people are doing impersonations
If they could do something proper based on themselves they would.
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Nov 25, 2009 6:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
true
but in the case of impersonations it kind of helps if you can vaguely detect some resemblance somewhere, I think
by civetta on Nov 25, 2009 7:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Elvis impersonators are often just a guy in a Elvis suit
I’m now trying to picture Bruyneel dressed like Oscar Wilde.
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Nov 25, 2009 9:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm trying to picture him buggered senseless
by Jens on Nov 25, 2009 9:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You had to go there didn't you?
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Nov 25, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This one I got :)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Nov 25, 2009 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My EJBPMO- membership requires it
I could get expelled from the club otherwise
by Jens on Nov 25, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So you haven't watched his video on Youtube?
It seems he’s always willing to try new things.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Nov 25, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't seen the video
… and now I rather think that I shall avoid it.
by Lou... on Nov 25, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I avoided it too, but I was fascinated he'd made it.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Nov 25, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+ several
The Importance of Being Lance … I smell a blockbuster!
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Nov 25, 2009 7:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Ah yes, "Importance" is important
but too bad about losing the double meaning of Earnest. “Lance: A Boil”? I don’t think he will agree to that title.
by tedvdw on Nov 25, 2009 7:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well done!
"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH
by ELVISGOAT on Nov 25, 2009 8:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"The thing is, no one wins a Grand Tour at the age of 38. No one. No matter how much hype he generates. Unless he goes to Forks for some special blood work"
this should be the entry for lance in the pre tour power poll.
"well...you live in england so: you love the rain. loves the queen. hates cycling. based on mr bean had a tremendous amount of humour. all ride in a mini cooper. all getting drunk before the age of 12. getting drunk at least 3 times a day."- frinking, 7/9/09
by benrazor on Nov 24, 2009 7:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
But if Lance goes to Forks and becomes Edward
Does that mean Alberto will wake up one morning to discover Lance has been sitting at the end of his bed watching him sleep?
And who is Jacob?
by LurkerMcLurkerson on Nov 25, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well if you want to make this come full circle...
Bert is Buffy
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by ursula on Nov 25, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This roster is surprisingly underwhelming
The budget must not be especially big – or, perhaps younger riders aren’t much interested in riding for Armstrong and Bruyneel. It’s surprising, though, how little new talent they’ve been able to draw to the team outside the same old names.
by gavia on Nov 24, 2009 7:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I see it slightly differently...
I don’t think Lance will ever win the Tour again, but by employing a group of veterans who know the score, ie., that Lance is in charge and they are riding for him he probably ensures himself a good chance of making the podium. I doubt there’ll be any rushes of blood to the head.
Once Lance retires again, it will be interesting to see whether the team fades away or starts employing younger riders who actually have ambitions of their own.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Nov 24, 2009 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Aside from Busche and Impey
I don’t see much new talent coming on. Horner, Kloeden, and Levi have 2-3 years left at best and Steegmans can fade away with the best of them (see this year…). I’m afraid this is a Lance-centric team with few prospects for survival after the comeback 2.0 turns into retirement 2.0.
by dansel on Nov 25, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...but I don't think that will worry the other old stagers either.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Nov 25, 2009 2:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now stop that!
Don’t be jinxing my man Gert! (He doesn’t need anyone’s help in that department, LOL)
In a deep, dark corner of my soul, there is still a flicker of hope for Gertie. And if next year he starts performing remotely close to the potential that he has shown in the past… well, JB might not be the first up against the wall after all… (and I may even consider taking JB off The List, LOL…)
by Lou... on Nov 25, 2009 2:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a bad assessment ursula, but you know I have some contention.
First, I don’t care about the over 30 stats, but I just have to say “bite me” when I read about riders 30+ as if they need to be thinking about wheelchairs and dentures. I know the 30+ crowd ain’t much for sprinting even from a small breakaway group, but many 30-33/34 yr old guys are at their peak in this sport. Change that number to 35+ and leave out the oldman jokes and I’m cool. But no doubt this has got to be one of, if not, the oldest teams put together. And I don’t understand how crashing out of a race has some sort of correlation to old age injuries.
And Lance will ride better next year and be stronger. Only problem with that is so will his competition, and some of them markedly more improved than him. But still I think it will result in some better results here and there. As far as the Tour, he and everyone should consider it a monstrous success if he manages to pull off a 3rd place again. The cobbles will be interesting (I hope) and it could make up for the lack of a TTT for some riders. I also think Lance will throw in for the team if Levi or Klodi are riding better and have a better shot at the podium. No I don’t believe in Santa (or God or miracles). But to say it was ‘miraculous’ that the US hockey team beat the Soviet team in the Olympics is different, and very true (one of my favorite moments in all of sports).
Overall I agree that this is sort of an underwhelming team, and one that looks to be in need of some fire.
P.S. I’m not as bent out of shape as you might think about the age thing.
No horn, watch for finger.
by sminer on Nov 24, 2009 9:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oh be quiet you silly old man
at least it’s cycling and not gymnastics, where 20 is considered pre-historic…
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by Phil H. on Nov 24, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, so true.
But god do I hate gymnastics, so I don’t care what they say about it’s participants.
No horn, watch for finger.
by sminer on Nov 24, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was worth tuning into the Olympics
solely for the reason to hear that former US coach complain about how biased the judges were and how under aged the Chinese gymnasts were, that dude was funny.
Look, it's a bird...no, it's a plane....oh never mind it's just fucking balloon boy
by Phil H. on Nov 24, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oy
If only cycling were truly researchable electronically. I would LOVE to do a post about the oldest teams in cycling history.
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Nov 25, 2009 12:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
If only cycling were truly researchable electronically for free. I would LOVE to do a post about the oldest teams in cycling history.
by Jens on Nov 25, 2009 5:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If only cycling were truly researchable electronically in English. I would LOVE to do a post about the oldest teams in cycling history.
by ursula on Nov 25, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot"free" you frenchbashing, cheap b***ard
by Jens on Nov 25, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If only cycling were truly researchable electronically free, in English, and without Oscar Wilde/Johan Bruyneel getting to bugger me senseless. I would LOVE to do a post about the oldest teams in cycling history.
by ursula on Nov 25, 2009 9:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With all these provisions
it’s harder to get a post about the oldest teams in cycling history than passing a bill in the US congress.
by Jens on Nov 25, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's because you haven't bought any lobbyists
by LurkerMcLurkerson on Nov 25, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I sent 13 canadian dollars to Drew
I figured that would be enough?
by Jens on Nov 25, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why . . . oh . . . why . . . if Armstrong HAD to suck up a c-list sponsor
from Fort Worth couldn’t it at least have been Pier One?
by R Mc on Nov 24, 2009 9:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Pier One?
Huh, I think the Shack has more comedy potential, myself. And really, that’s my main concern. Shallow, but true.
by gavia on Nov 24, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Shack
I am waiting for the moment Johan turns up at your place, The Gav Shack, by mistake.
by ursula on Nov 25, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Increase the odds
Leave a bunch of broken radios on the lawn.
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Nov 25, 2009 12:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Pier One sounds totally sissy
While “the Shack” at least has badass potential. Because it reminds me of this guy.
by dansel on Nov 25, 2009 1:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Putting on my Lance colored glasses
The Shack has 3 riders that are top 5-ish in the Grand tours.
So when that final selection takes place on the big mountains you will have Levi, Lance, and Andreas (maybe Horner too ). Then AC and AS blow them all away but from a team perspective who else has that ?
I waited a half an hour to give my two toddlers breakfast until I had my Eneco tour coverage sorted, then made sure I got them fed before the sprint. --- Bought With Blood. ..... Hmmm, my kinda people. If only they could explain to my wife why my bike belongs in the house and not the garage. --- Thevaro
by thevaro on Nov 25, 2009 12:34 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
More of the same?
I wouldn’t dismiss it. Lance might be stronger this year, but everything about his situation is unprecedented.
Levi… He doesn’t like the Pyrenees, right? More of an Alps guy?
Competition will probably stiffen. The Pyrenees emphasis should give Valverde his best ever podium chance.
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Nov 25, 2009 12:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Well then how about this.
If I was born in Luxembourg and I wanted to win the TDF, I would make friends with the boys from the Shack. Then the new axis of evil could attack the Pistolero one at a time with the faint hope of breaking the young man and having a shot at that impossible top step !
I waited a half an hour to give my two toddlers breakfast until I had my Eneco tour coverage sorted, then made sure I got them fed before the sprint. --- Bought With Blood. ..... Hmmm, my kinda people. If only they could explain to my wife why my bike belongs in the house and not the garage. --- Thevaro
by thevaro on Nov 25, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, axis of evil is already taken as you should know
and the Schleck’s seem to get along quite well with Bert…at least in the Amstel Curacao dolphin pictures, which does say a lot of course.
Look, it's a bird...no, it's a plane....oh never mind it's just fucking balloon boy
by Phil H. on Nov 25, 2009 1:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What if they've made a deal?
Andy gets the 2011 Tour while Bert gets the Liege and the Giro that year. Seems like a fair trade to me.
by dansel on Nov 25, 2009 1:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Riccardo Ricco may have something to say about Liege and the Giro in 2011
I’m not saying he will win them, he just likes to talk a lot.
Look, it's a bird...no, it's a plane....oh never mind it's just fucking balloon boy
by Phil H. on Nov 25, 2009 1:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Something tells me
Ricco is going to have a little less pep than before.
I waited a half an hour to give my two toddlers breakfast until I had my Eneco tour coverage sorted, then made sure I got them fed before the sprint. --- Bought With Blood. ..... Hmmm, my kinda people. If only they could explain to my wife why my bike belongs in the house and not the garage. --- Thevaro
by thevaro on Nov 25, 2009 1:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Double that
Will take at least a year for Ricco to have any semblance of pep again.
by dansel on Nov 25, 2009 2:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that deal only works with Italians !
I waited a half an hour to give my two toddlers breakfast until I had my Eneco tour coverage sorted, then made sure I got them fed before the sprint. --- Bought With Blood. ..... Hmmm, my kinda people. If only they could explain to my wife why my bike belongs in the house and not the garage. --- Thevaro
by thevaro on Nov 25, 2009 1:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but if you want to be king of the hill
you gotta attack the king !
I waited a half an hour to give my two toddlers breakfast until I had my Eneco tour coverage sorted, then made sure I got them fed before the sprint. --- Bought With Blood. ..... Hmmm, my kinda people. If only they could explain to my wife why my bike belongs in the house and not the garage. --- Thevaro
by thevaro on Nov 25, 2009 1:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean this guy?
Look, it's a bird...no, it's a plane....oh never mind it's just fucking balloon boy
by Phil H. on Nov 25, 2009 1:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL ( really )
who else could it be !
I waited a half an hour to give my two toddlers breakfast until I had my Eneco tour coverage sorted, then made sure I got them fed before the sprint. --- Bought With Blood. ..... Hmmm, my kinda people. If only they could explain to my wife why my bike belongs in the house and not the garage. --- Thevaro
by thevaro on Nov 25, 2009 1:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Levi actually does better in the Pyrenees
He was great there in 2007, almost won the queen stage in 2006 in an otherwise awful year.
And Valverde at the Tour always has been terrific in the Alps and always weak in the Pyrenees. Regardless of which mountains come first.
Neither trend makes much sense when you look at the rider characteristics.
by Mr 60 Percent on Nov 25, 2009 8:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Realy dude? Why bother? Just to be a prick?
I’m not a big fan but I’m also not a complete tool about them either.
If I just had one more gear, I...
by SpunOut on Nov 25, 2009 2:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Realy=really
If I just had one more gear, I...
by SpunOut on Nov 25, 2009 2:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm curios about who you're replying to, or am I missing something?
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Nov 25, 2009 2:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The OP?
(i.e – Ursula’s offering, at the very top of the page…?)
by Lou... on Nov 25, 2009 2:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Big day ... love being an idiot in print :(
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Nov 25, 2009 3:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Clarify please
Who is the prick exactly? We have rules here, as you know.
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Nov 25, 2009 7:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
See i asked that in a roundabout way, and I'm still not sure of the answer...
but I’m pretty sure I’m just missing something.
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Nov 25, 2009 8:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he means my whole opening post.
That’s cool though. Its good reading other points of view.
by ursula on Nov 25, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I finally get it, but I don't see any pricks here...
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Nov 25, 2009 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We don't do
Name calling, except in jest. Or at Ricco.
"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert
by Chris... on Nov 25, 2009 11:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Ricco...
… Vino, the Chicken, pretty much anyone involved with Silence Lotto and frankly the whole of the UCI
Oh – and BahCavendish ..
by addict on Nov 25, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But first
…you must check with Frinking or I to see whether it is one of the Approved names, for Vino. (Hint: names such as “Great One” are likely to pass muster…)
by Lou... on Nov 25, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Or “He who must be honoured” or “Vino-mojo” or go on go on go on.. (with the names. That wasn’t a nick)
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Nov 25, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"His Awesomeness", "Fearsome Snow Leopard"...
by Lou... on Nov 26, 2009 3:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
'Vinomort' ... I always thought that was one of Frinking's better ones ;)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Nov 26, 2009 5:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
Vino-bravo also sounds cool or “The Look” or “The Face” Because he really has a Vino-head.. Now i just have to found the right word to describe that
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Nov 26, 2009 9:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Voldemort..
I once said I had the suspicious Voldemort was the same person as Vinokourov.. Or suspicious?
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Nov 27, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And of course..
When you say Vonomort quick you get: Vino more.. And who doesn’t want that?!
Raise hands please.
What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch
by Frinking on Nov 27, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or in the Grimsby manner
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Nov 25, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or the family way
by Monty. on Nov 26, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I want to join that dinner
And I won’t bring jello.
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Nov 26, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not so old apart from the Tour team...
…of course, the team is built for the Tour. Lance has said himself that he can’t beat AC if AC rides at the same level next year, so that’s that.
The cobbles team is actually pretty good…all the main guys are in their prime years. Rast and Vaitkus could break through. Muravyev has finished top-10 and within 30 seconds of the winner at RVV two of the last three years. Steegmans is overrated though; what has he ever done in a Classic?
There’s some young talent. Hermans looks like a winner; just missed top-10 at FW last year. Guys like Impey, Busche, Machado, Selander, Rovny have something to offer. Bruyneel has historically been good at identifying young talent…and preparing it for other teams.
I would like to see Brajkovic finally get to ride for himself and do something at the Giro. I think he’s capable.
by Mr 60 Percent on Nov 25, 2009 8:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Young talent
You are quite right about the young talent. There’s some interesting new faces there. But I also agree about Bruyneel being good at prepping that talent for other teams.
Brajkovic. sigh. I really like the no-longer-kid. I was more disappointed to see him joining Lance/Johan than any other rider here because I’ve now given up on him riding for himself and truly developing that talent while he’s with them. This year was truly a lost year for Janez and for no reason. Why will next year be different?
Maybe you are right. Maybe he’ll get a chance to ride the Giro with the Old Guys in California. Then again why would the Giro invite RadioShack?
Yeah the cobbles team is good… on paper. But I stand by my underperforming line.
by ursula on Nov 25, 2009 9:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Per Brajkovic
You make the same claim about Popo. He was one of my favorite riders 5 or 6 years ago and I expected big things from him. But he reportedly passed up a chance to sign with Quick Step, where he would have been the sole leader for the grand tours, and instead opted for Discoverty in 2005. His career stalled, and he eventually just seemed to settle on being a respected domestique and nothing more.
Perhaps Brajkovic is also content riding in the shadow of the other riders? I have a hard time understanding why he would ride for a team that didn’t even select him for a single grand tour in 2008 when he could captained a smaller Italian team. Unless he’s getting paid the big bucks?
by Fernando on Nov 25, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The age thing is pretty surprising
Particularly when you compare these riders to generations past. I remember when Bernard Hinault retired on his 32nd birthday, or when Greg Lemond entered the 1991 Tour (just having turned 30) saying he was old and that he didn’t feel confident against the younger generation anymore. Basically every star of the 80’s and 90’s (outside of perhaps Ton Rominger and Sean Kelly) was itching to call it quits by their early 30’s.
Now you have a room full of Grand Tour contenders who are pushing 35 or 40 and going stronger then they were 5 years ago…
by Fernando on Nov 25, 2009 9:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Their diets and personal habits were horrible then.
One of my favorite Tour pictures comes from the early 1950s, when a rider is smoking a cigarette during the breakaway because he thinks, as many then did, that the deep breathing would open up his lungs and improve capacity.
by Mr 60 Percent on Nov 25, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you know where to find that online?
That’s brilliant!
by LurkerMcLurkerson on Nov 25, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
Helping to light his mate’s cigarette. Such cameraderie.
by LurkerMcLurkerson on Nov 26, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A range of factors going on...
Diet and training is vastly more professional now is one thing. More specialised riders = fewer races raced = more time off and less stress. Plus, guys can earn decent wedge now so the incentive for mid tier pros to carry one is greater.
On the Lemond thing, he basically pulled the pin in the face of the EPO onslaught. He didnt want to dope up and couldnt keep up with those who did – or at least, that is one reading of the situation. One of the reasons he didnt feel confident with the younger generation was that they were on rocket fuel and he wasnt…
by addict on Nov 25, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In 1991
I recall reading somewhere that Lemond went into the Giro expecting to win or at least finish in the top 5. The reality was that he was just trying to stay with the grupetto for the first two weeks before abandoning.
I don’t know if Lemond can blame all his troubles from that time on EPO, since reportedly clean riders like Hampsten and Motttet continues to thrive at the Tour, but it certainly didn’t help either. Shame that we’ll never really know what he was capable of if the playing field had been level.
by Fernando on Nov 25, 2009 1:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
A shame we don't know if the playing field 'was' level. We never know.
No horn, watch for finger.
by sminer on Nov 25, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Love reading when you have a roll on:)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
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