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Cafe Chat: Tyler Farrar Comes of Age

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The moment happened in late March, in Santa Croce on the Arno River, near Pisa. At the end of a moderate day in the saddle, the Cervelo Test Team, feeling confident and on form, put five guys on the front of a large pack of sprinters, hopeful that Thor Hushovd could finish off the fourth stage of Tirreno-Adriatico and send a message heading into Milano-Sanremo. Their move went unchallenged, but the pack split into two columns with 300 meters to go as a few Cervelo riders rotated off the front. With the column drifting left went Mark Cavendish, and locked on his wheel was one Tyler Farrar. Cav wound up his sprint, but so too did Farrar, who came past the Manxman's left to win the stage.

This was not Farrar's first win, or his first in Europe, or his first as a pro. The American sprinter had been winning the odd race overseas since 2004 as a U23 rider. He won occasionally for Cofidis after turning pro in 2006. He won in his first year with Garmin in 2008. But never had he won like this: in the limelight of Cycling's top echelon. "That was my first ever Pro Tour win," Farrar told me, in an interview last week. "That alone is a big deal, but in one day to beat all the big sprinters is great for your morale or your confidence. I think that was the first time I realized that I was out there and competitive with these guys and as fast as them."

The Cycling world noticed, but things didn't change overnight. From there the Race of the Two Seas went inland and uphill, putting an end to the stage sprints. Barely a week later, Farrar was on the floor holding his shoulder, in a crash during the early stages of Milano-Sanremo. He made his return five weeks later in the Tour de Romandie, quickly rounding into form and taking second behind Oscar Freire in Geneva. Liking what they were seeing and needing Farrar fully fit for his first Tour de France, Garmin sent Farrar to the Giro d'Italia to battle with Cavendish, Alessandro Petacchi and others. He wouldn't get the best of Cavendish again in 2009, but a string of seconds and thirds through the Giro and the Tour de France steadily built up the needed fitness and confidence.

Then, in August, Farrar launched the greatest streak of European success by an American sprinter ever: victory in the Vattenfall Cyclassic. Three wins and a second in the prologue of the Eneco Tour of Benelux, and four days in the leader's white jersey. Then another first, a stage win in the Vuelta a Espana, with luminaries like Freire, Bennati and Greipel left choking on his exhaust in the low late afternoon sun. And finally, two stages and overall victory in the Circuit Franco-Belge, leaving one Tom Boonen searching for answers. The biggest prize left, the season-ending Paris-Tours, eluded him with Farrar held up behind a late crash, but by then he made his point. Ninth in the world. Fourth in victories (behind Columbians Cav, Greipel and Edvald Boasson Hagen). First in every conversation about who can stop the Manx Express.

Star-divide

While the history books suggest otherwise, nowadays great cyclists are born wherever great genes coincide with some decent roads and a drive to work hard and succeed. It's no stranger that a top sprinter can come from a tiny island in the Irish Sea than from the sun-baked Columbian Plateau, just downhill from the central Cascade Mountains. Farrar caught the bug during his teenage years in Wenatchee, Washington, and fed his craft around the Pacific Northwest, including "a lot of laps around Seward Park over the years" as his family alternated between home and Seattle. As if Farrar weren't interesting enough to me, this was the clincher: a guy from the same streets I can be seen huffing and puffing over on any given weekend. A guy who came from the hills and the rain and the Washington BARR competition of my own experience, catapulting all the way to the top. Needless to say, I had to talk to the guy. Following are some excerpts from our conversation of last week, over the phone from Farrar's home in Gent, Belgium. If you have enough time, you can read the full transcript here.

On the Classics:

PdC: [long, rambling explanation about how much I love the classics...]

Tyler Farrar:  I think as a rider I fall into the same category, I’ve always had a fascination with the classics. The first race that really caught my attention was the Tour of Flanders. I kinda got into riding bikes and got into this mad hunt for any magazines about bike racing, and for whatever reason the first one I found was a classics edition. I was just studying any magazine I could get my hands on.

The unfortunate thing this year is that I separated my shoulder in Milan-San Remo and I missed all the classics, and I was really focused, my number one objective of the season was the classics, and 100k into MSR I crashed. But if everything goes to plan I’ll be targeting the races in April, that’s the first big goal.

PdC: Of the classics are there some you’re focused on? Are you targeting the same races as Maaskant or do you trade off?

Tyler Farrar: Obviously having a guy like Martijn and now Johan Van Summeren we have two guys who are really proven in Flanders and Roubaix, so I think those two races I’ll be in more of a support role for those guys. And then for maybe Milan San Remo and Gent – Wevelgem will be something where I can make it a goal for me to get a result.

PdC: Is there a big difference physically between winning a classic or a stage of a stage race?

Tyler Farrar: It depends, which is not a very satisfying answer, but you know sometimes you get into a stage race and your eight days, ten days in, and everyone’s a little tired, it’s a flat day, everyone knows it’s going to be a sprint, and you get the right break up the road and you just kind of cruise along at 35kph all day and it’s pretty easy, you just sprint at the end. Other times it’s full gas all day, but you can get either. Whereas in a classic you’re pretty much guaranteed it’s going to be full gas, there’s no tomorrow, nobody’s trying to save their legs or recover for the mountains. Typically I find it’s harder at the end of one day races as opposed to stage races.

On Flanders:

PdC: Where do you like to train around Gent?

Tyler Farrar: Generally if I want to do hard training, that’s when I would go down to the Vlaamse Ardennes and ride all the climbs from the Tour of Flanders. From Gent it takes about an hour, hour and fifteen of flat riding on little farm roads to get there, and once you’re there you can do as many of the climbs as you want, zig-zagging around in the hills, get your training in and then you have another hour and fifteen to get home. If I’m just out cruising on a base ride, then I go every direction you can from Gent. I have some friends that live up north, sometimes I’ll go meet them and we’ll just go out and make big loops through the farms. But the majority of my real serious training is on the roads from Flanders.

PdC: Are there a lot of pros near Gent that you typically  train with?

Tyler Farrar: There’s a handful that live within a reasonable distance from Gent. I train with them occasionally, but for the most part I like to train alone. I kind of grew up training alone so I mostly like to do my training alone. But I have a few guys like Wouter Weylandt from Quick Step, he’s one of my really good friends so we go out sometimes. Steven Caethoven who rode this year for Agritubel, he and I go out a few times.

On Columbia, Cavendish, and Leadouts

PdC: Is Robbie Hunter coming on board to help you at the end of the race?

Tyler Farrar: Yeah, Robbie’s a really experienced rider, he’s quick, he knows how to ride sprints, how to do leadout. This year in a lot of races I would have either Julian Dean or Chris Sutton with me in the end, which is great, but when you’re going up against Columbia when they have five guys, six guys totally dedicated to the leadout, it’s difficult. If I bring Robbie in and have Robbie and Julian Dean together, that’ll be a pretty good train to take care of me in the last km.

PdC: So the plan is if you have enough of a competing train you can wrest control from Columbia?

Tyler Farrar: I hope so, yeah. There’s not really an argument this year that Columbia was the best team in the world in leading out sprints, they don’t make mistakes often, but next year’s a new season, and I think you can see with my team as the season went on they started to get confidence in me and believe in me more, and that always helps guys commit to riding the sprints. Actually a lot of the guys had never really tried to lead anyone out before, so it was really a learning experience for a lot of the guys on our team. Looking to next year now the guys have a bit more experience, they have confidence in me, and we brought in some more guys with experience already, so I think we’ll have a strong team for next year.

The problem this year was (Columbia) is so committed and so well organized, with a couple guys you can’t get on the front with 4k to go. So we have to play off Columbia with Julian. Then either Cav or Greipel is sitting on the back of that train getting a free ride to the finish, not wasting any energy fighting for position, and Julian and I are back there with all the other sprinters fighting for Cav’s wheel or Greipel’s wheel and we’re wasting energy. So if we can get our own train up there instead of fighting with Columbia, that always helps.

PdC: So the difference between jumping their train and having your own is you don’t have the luxury of positioning with their train that you would if it were yours? 

Tyler Farrar: Exactly. You’re not the only sprinter trying to be behind that train. If I could just say, ok they lead Cavendish out and I’m behind Cavendish and then we sprint, that’s a good deal. But when I’m back there, Hushovd wants his wheel, Freire wants his wheel, Boonen wants his wheel, that’s what a field sprint is. It’s all fighting for position. If I’m not going to waste energy fighting to be behind him, we’re going to hit the front with 2k to go, I’ll just sprint from the front hopefully. Because I think you could see there was a few days in the Tour and the Giro, I think speed-wise I was going the same speed as Cavendish, but I would start one or two guys behind him and I would finish on his hip, and it’s like, OK, I covered the ground in the same speed or faster than him but I was starting from too far behind him to win. 

PdC: Cavendish dominating… when you race against him do you think about him or concentrate on your own plan?

Tyler Farrar: Mostly I try to ride my own race. Obviously when he’s in the race you have to take account of him, he was the best in the world this year. You’re always paying attention to what the other teams are doing, what teams are strong and what teams are going to ride for a sprint. But you can’t become too myopic and say “I’m racing to beat Cavendish today” because there’s plenty of guys in the race who are fast enough to win. You have to focus on putting yourself where you need to be to win and hoping you have big legs to win.

***

My impression of Farrar is that despite what happened in the cycling world this year, he harbors no doubt about his ability to beat Cavendish. Sure, Cav is fast, but Farrar was side by side with him enough to know that he can conjure up the same speed... or more. If it only happened once that it all came together for Farrar, much of that he attributes to positioning, and changes to both teams this offseason may result in Garmin getting to the front alongside or instead of Columbia next season. Time will tell. But what seemed one-sided only a year ago is suddenly one of the great emerging subplots to 2010: Can Columbia sustain their winning ways? Or is there suddenly room at the top for another American team, with a homegrown sprinter and a squad that found new confidence and new talent in time for a major challenge to the status quo? If all goes to plan, the kid from Wenatchee will be making a hard run after the World Number One and some of Cycling's most precious hardware.

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Great read

I would bet that Tyler will close the gap some if not all the way and I would expect to see him win more than once against Cav. How Columbia’s train will be affected by all the transfers, we’ll have to wait and see, and I can’t wait.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Nov 4, 2009 5:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great interview

But I think Tyler may be optimistic about Cav. Yes, TF has sort of matched speeds with the Manx, but that assumes that Cav is giving absolutely everything he has, including the 10% he doesn’t know he has (if that makes any sense). I think the only time that “extra” 10% came out was at Milan-SanRemo – I suspect if you back Cav in a corner he will just go faster.

But that’s why they ride the races, I suppose – to find out. Will be good to watch, however many BAHs echo round the cafe

by addict on Nov 4, 2009 5:38 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Having watched Tyler and Cav go head to head at last year's ToM

I really believe that Tyler’s got the speed and talent to beat him successfully. Cav is one of the best sprinters out there but, even if you just read the interview above, that train is critical in aiding to victories and/or wearing out others trying to get on it. I’m a fan of Cav (fully disclosing I’m a huge fan of TF) but I seriously can’t wait to cheer on and see what Tyler can do in 2010 against him again. I think it will be a lot of fun to watch play out through out the year. :-)

I'm ready for this road season to wrap up. Bring on Cross!

by nikki on Nov 4, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How do you know though?

Unless you are the one racing him, you can’t possibly know. Some develop faster than others and often times, that is that. You are making huge assumptions that you can’t possibly know anything about.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Nov 4, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody knows, obviously

Like addict says, that’s why they ride the races.

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Nov 4, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course

But somebody has to call BS when it is being slung, obviously.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Nov 4, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

His analysis is as sound as any

and it doesn’t smell like BS to me. In half the races that Tyler got second to Cav in, Cav looked like he was only at 90% to me too. Cav was looking back as much as he was looking forward. All things being equal, Cav beats Tyler every time.

Excellent interview Chris.

by Jimbo... on Nov 4, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kind sir

I feel “BS” is perhaps a tad strong… naturally SpunOut is of course correct in that I don’t know what either Cav or TF were doing. I just feel that we underestimate (amazingly) Cav because he has such a good train, and feel we should also remember the wins where the train wasnt there – most importantly MSR, where young Mr Cavendish did something truly improbable, all on his ownsome, and much to the distress of a certain B. Barbie.

The train gives his a lot of advantages, but he is pretty damn quick on his own account…

:)

by addict on Nov 5, 2009 4:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There's also a stage from last year's tour

(into Nimes, I think?) which is an excellent example of that: the train broke down & he won pretty much alone in a rather McEwen-esque fashion, as I recall. Thing is, the train’s been so good this year it’s easy to forget the skills he has on his own, so I thought your point was well taken.

by civetta on Nov 5, 2009 5:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great stuff indeed.

Well done, Chris!

I just wish in the interest of full disclosure that you’d transcribed your ramble about how much you love the classics.

by majope on Nov 4, 2009 7:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I tried reading the full thing and when clicked on it says not available.

What is that? I’m hoping that the full ramblings are included!

I'm ready for this road season to wrap up. Bring on Cross!

by nikki on Nov 4, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's ready now

I had it hidden for about 5 days…

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Nov 4, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Very mean of you. Off to read!

I'm ready for this road season to wrap up. Bring on Cross!

by nikki on Nov 4, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

watch out

for typos…

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Nov 4, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Heh, I agree on both points

… but then again, surely most of us would by now have no touble imagining the contents of a ‘Chris loves the Classics’ ramble? ;-)

by Lou... on Nov 5, 2009 4:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Love this Chris!

The smiles from you after you talked to him could be seen through the email and this only helps show it was a great conversation! Very awesome write up and lead into the chat. :-)

I'm ready for this road season to wrap up. Bring on Cross!

by nikki on Nov 4, 2009 9:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Slow day in the Cafe today...

…Chris does a superb long piece which results in plentiful mentions of he who must be Bahhed, and only 9 comments? What’s going on…? Surely we should be knee deep in polemica by now.

Hey ho, perhaps I will do some work instead

BAH

by addict on Nov 4, 2009 10:01 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Meh

How’s that?

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Nov 4, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

dood

You posted at 7 am. Have pity on those of us who are are so not morning people.

by gavia on Nov 4, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol, yeah

And I’m so not on the winning side of that one.

by gavia on Nov 5, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We work in shifts, remember?

Looks like your shift let the side down, ’eh? But I see that others have picked up the slack. And done such an exceptional job that we of the Aussie/Frinking shift can take it easy (perhaps we shall devote our time and effort to working on our plans for world domination…)

by Lou... on Nov 5, 2009 4:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll talk to my minions

And make sure they turn up on schedule. Otherwise this sitting round gossiping thing is a complete waste of time…

by addict on Nov 5, 2009 6:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can we leave world domination

until I’ve finished marking? At this rate I’ll have everyone doing a postcolonial deconstruction of this site. it’s not safe I tell you…

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Nov 5, 2009 8:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have an after-Idon'tKnowYet dip

I’ll pass my shift.. Although I still have 2 posts in my head.. Old posts who are worth an evaluation.

What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch

by Frinking on Nov 5, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

When you are exam free and motivated

a post from you would be excellent…

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Nov 6, 2009 4:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What I remember most about Tyler in le Tour

Is that uphill sprint where he almost nailed Cav. If he hadn’t gotten pushed to a much longer line around the curve in the last 200m he would have won.

Oh, what a train would do for Tyler…He could make Cav take the outside line instead.

by dansel on Nov 4, 2009 10:12 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

This place needs a "like" button. ha ha. :-)

I'm ready for this road season to wrap up. Bring on Cross!

by nikki on Nov 4, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha - now I know I've been gone too long.

I forgot that became and option under “actions” on comments. :-)

I'm ready for this road season to wrap up. Bring on Cross!

by nikki on Nov 4, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cav really profits from his mighty train

but until this year, it wasn’t fully up to speed. In the past he’s shown that he can win even when things fall apart and he doesn’t get a perfect lead out. I wish Farrar all the best next year and hope he gets great results, but I do suspect that if they switched trains tomorrow Cav would still win most of the time.

by majope on Nov 4, 2009 10:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Trains

I think Farrar believes that if they had the same train it’d be a totally fair fight. It’s undisputed that this year Cavendish had excellent leadouts in comparison to what Garmin or other teams gave their guys; next year that will likely be much less one-sided. I don’t think Farrar would expect to win all the time, and I certainly would still expect Cav to win more than not. But if Farrar got MSR and a couple Tour stages vs Cav, I am pretty sure he’d be happy with that.

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Nov 4, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would like to see two things next year

1. Garmin put up a train that will at least semi-rival Columbia in the last k, making it a fairer fight and ensuring a few Tyler wins.

2. Columbia’s train break down more. I like Cav too, but his domination is so much more entertaining and inspiring when things are falling to pieces around him in a sprint and he wins more of his own abilities and perception. Sort of like how it’s much more fun to watch McEwen sprint than Petacchi.

by dansel on Nov 4, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm really hoping for #2

The funny thing is that Cavendish’s skillset resembles McEwen much more than Petacchi. Not only would I like him more if he won that way, it would really prove his greatness.

by Mr 60 Percent on Nov 4, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

#1 is likely

#2… I dunno, Columbia have lost some guys but they’re still very strong, not to mention confident.

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Nov 4, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think if Cavendish had McEwen's skillset there never would have been a need for his whole team

    to commit to a train. That would be a complete waste when you have riders on your team who could also be getting higher placings on GC.

Cancellara was robbed! There is none better.

by Mark Frank on Nov 4, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It was fun to watch Petachi beat Cav though

And also shows he is not fully dependent on the train

Your bike doesn't want to crash so relax and let it roll!!!

by perezbike on Nov 5, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Trains (mark 2)

Don’t forget they take a decent amount of skill to ride. Cav’s comments on the Champs Elysee about being terrified going round the corners shouldnt be dismissed just because they are from Cav. 60kph round a corner, onto cobbles, with the only view you have in front of you being Mark Renshaws arse – wish I had the nuts to do that (even assuming I could get a bike to 60kph, which I can’t without a ski slope and a blindfold)

by addict on Nov 5, 2009 4:16 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I enjoy your writing style Chris. Without looking at who posted an article here I can

tell if it was written by you. This is an excellent article that is easy to read and follow. The words don’t get in the way of the “story.” That’s impressive especially when writing about sports because its easy to get caught up in the stats and lose the reader.

Your passion for Tyler Farrar is apparent. I voted for him as “Most Improved Rider of 2009” and am excited to see the Farrar vs. Cav matchup next year.

Hopefully Tyler won’t regrow the Euromullet. ;-) I think it slows him down. Wind drag and everything.

by ZoeRochelle on Nov 4, 2009 11:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Euro mullet

I just… don’t… get it.

thanks for the kind words!

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Nov 4, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1 to ZoeRo's comment above.

Nice job, Jefe.

"My facking goat didn’t wear Robes! Does he look Scottisch?!" Baron von Frinkenstein

by itswells on Nov 4, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Euromullet! haha

I remember when he shaved it during the middle of the TdF, I believe it was just after a hard day in the Pyrenees when he suffered greatly. I love that pro athletes make at times impulsive or superstitious haircut decisions like they are still in high school.

by Nomer on Nov 4, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

it’s a very nicely written piece. Super readable. Totally enjoyed it.

I intentionally saved it to enjoy over lunch. Well-worth the wait.

by gavia on Nov 4, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A train like Cav's would greatly increase TF's chances of more wins

Saving energy and just having to hit out at the last moment is much different than having to fight for a wheel and then sprint. I would suspect that if Cav had to do more of that, he would probably win a lot less. Many things could happen to Tyler. He could do a Boonen eventually and become more of a classics guy and pick up another classics win, like GW. Wouldn’t that be awesome? He seems to be a late bloomer so maybe next year is the year he really breaks through.

If I just had one more gear, I...

by SpunOut on Nov 4, 2009 12:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Late bloomer

Basically agree. I think it’s partly being American and spending his early 20s in transition, unlike Cav or EBH who were already in Europe. Partly bad luck with injuries. But there’s a reciprocal thing where you win and your team starts believing in you, which helps you win more. All of that was kind of stuck in neutral til this year. Not that Garmin didn’t believe in him, but they couldn’t go all in for him right away.

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Nov 4, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The thing I most liked about your interview is

you did not take the laziest of journalistic practices and start your question with “Talk about …..” and then just leave it up to Farrar to figure out the rest. Every time I hear a journo do that I want to scream “ask a fucking specific question you lazy shit and stop having the athlete do your job for you!” If a writer can’t actually make a list of specific questions to ask someone, then they should find another line of work.

TV sports reporters are the most guilty of it, which is why they should be considered more talking heads than actual journalists. But I digress.

I mean uh... hasn't that ever occurred to you, man? Sir?

by Drew... on Nov 4, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why do you hate journalists, Drew?

"Jens! is my favorite rider. I love watching him handing out plates of hot, steaming suffer!" - Mahatma Gandhi

by crashdan on Nov 4, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Because most of them are self-inflated, lazy asshole boneheads.

Wait….was that a trick question?

I mean uh... hasn't that ever occurred to you, man? Sir?

by Drew... on Nov 4, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes! +100 to that, my brutha.

I’m forbidden from watching VeloNews TV at home, cuz itsmrswells dislikes, hates, loathes with the white-hot intensity of a thousand suns, Neal Rogers interviews…that “talk about” crap is his signature move. I never noticed anybody doing it before him. No I wanna jam a mechanical pencil down my ear-hole whenever I hear it.

"My facking goat didn’t wear Robes! Does he look Scottisch?!" Baron von Frinkenstein

by itswells on Nov 4, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha!

How do you really feel about that?

I suspect in the Rogers case it’s an effort to be chatty and informal on camera. But eh, done too often, that sort of thing can wear on the ear.

by gavia on Nov 4, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

rofl

meh is right.

by gavia on Nov 4, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a fan of direct

and fairly specific, myself.

by gavia on Nov 4, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm no expert

but if I had ridden six hours full gas and some guy came up and asked me to “talk about the race”, I would have a dim view of that guy. And I wouldn’t give him squat.

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Nov 5, 2009 2:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

For sure

And in general life, open-ended questions are pretty hard to answer. So, why torture the dudes?

by gavia on Nov 5, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Farrar should be concerned about Cavendish

But let’s not forget about another world class sprinter stepping out of the Manxman’s shadow for next season. Edvald Boassan Hagen. You can be sure that with Dave Brailsford in charge he’ll have a world class lead out train organised. With the likes of Geraint Thomas, Chris Sutton, Greg Henderson and Michael Barry on board and Cavendish losing plenty of his lead out train to other teams, Boassan Hagen’s train should be every bit as good as Cavendish’s next year. Farrar will have plenty to deal with!

http://www.irishpeloton.com/

by irishpeloton on Nov 4, 2009 1:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

and Hushovd, Freire, Ciolek, etc. It’s never going to be easy.

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Nov 4, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Watch out for the train..

Basically every sprinter could win with the Colombia train. It’s sometimes more difficult to lose than win..

I don’t see EBH as a sprinter. Now with Sky he’s going to have much difficulties..

(Sorry. Missed your point and the fix up was just half of my post…)

What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch

by Frinking on Nov 4, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree about Boasson-Hagen

I don’t think he’s a bunch sprinter either – He probably can win bunch sprints, but I’m guessing his results will come elsewhere. He reminds me of Gilbert a little, though maybe with less climby legs.

by gavia on Nov 4, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He will outclimb PG in a year or two

Look at the Giro 09 climby stages, just before the final selections if you don’t trust me.

by Jens on Nov 4, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

Now that you mention it, I do remember that. I’ll be interested to see how he goes this year out of the Columbia horde. Very excited about this one, for sure.

by gavia on Nov 4, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That was in his first GT too

and it wasn’t like he was slacking off on the other stages, saving it for the mountains.

by Jens on Nov 4, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ja

I know he’s been touted as a stage racer – I just haven’t seen it yet, you know? LIttle dude is a total machine, so I have few doubts about his talents. I feel like I haven’t quite seen enough to know which direction he will go, if that makes sense. I really like the team change in his case, I think it will open a wider range of opportunities for him.

by gavia on Nov 4, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think he will go the stageracer-way ultimately

He is getting to good results on the track he’s on. Perhaps if he has a “wiggins-epiphany” and gets hooked on the Tourwinning-thing? I kinda hope not.

by Jens on Nov 4, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh, I hope not

I’d rather see a Gilbert-like trajectory with maybe some shorter stage races thrown in for good measure – I actually wasn’t thinking grand tours when I said stage racing, more just acknowledging that he seems to have some climbing legs. It would make for some killer match-ups if Gilbert and Boasson-Hagen were both chasing monuments. I’d watch that :-)

by gavia on Nov 4, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I bet he can win Roubaix and Liege in time

which means a ton of epic battles with Gilbert, especially once his distance legs come good on him next season or so.

by dansel on Nov 4, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Personally

I love how just about any post can be converted into a discussion of Edvald Boasson Hagen. I bet I could get one going in the DailyKos discussion of the Washington State election results.

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Nov 4, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What do the candidates have in common?

EBH could beat them with one arm tied behind his back. Riding backwards.

by dansel on Nov 4, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Except that it would probably get us in big trouble, I would vastly enjoy watching that one.

by gavia on Nov 4, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hm

should we flashmob daily kos? Or another site?

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Nov 5, 2009 2:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Columbia-HTC fan-forum?

You know, really rub it in.

Come to think of it , this site is the Col-HTC fan-forum

by Jens on Nov 5, 2009 3:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

These ideas, so tempting. But it couldn’t possibly end well for us.

by gavia on Nov 5, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be surprised if he doesn't go after the stage races eventually

Like it or not, the Tour is by far the biggest prize, and with the watts he puts out there’ll be no end of people telling him that he can win it – I think Brian Holm suggested he’d begin looking like a tour winner if he lost 3 kilos.

by William H on Nov 4, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

EBH is good, but more an all-rounder.

EBH is strong as an ox, yes, and he can sprint. However, his sprint wins are almost always from a smaller or more disorganized sprint. He isn’t the pure sprinter type who can win a TDF sprint yet and, at least I think, won’t be for the next year. His wins in Britain this year came from sprints against Pozzato and Sutton, two good riders but not A-list sprinters like Cav and Tyler.

by dansel on Nov 4, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Chris

Great job on the interview. I think Hunter is going to help out Tyler a lot. He’ll be a valuable addition as a lead out guy and I think he’ll be able to teach TF quite a bit. With Hunter coming to Garmin and Hincapie leaving Columbia, I think things will even out somewhat. But Garmin has nothing to match Renshaw, at least that I can see. Keep in mind that Farrar only finished 7th in the Green Jersey battle after having a solid first week. It’s great to be gunning for Cav, but he’s got some other guys that he’s going to have to deal with as well. But it sounds like he’s got a good attitude about it all and is ready to take on the challenges of the upcoming season. Should be exciting to see.

So can we expect to see weekly interviews from the Peloton now?

Tickets are bought, Belgium here I come!

by jsallee00 on Nov 4, 2009 2:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Heh

weekly interviews… no. Monthly would be a coup for me. But I do now own a recorder.

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Nov 4, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ooooh... fun! Who's next?!??

I'm ready for this road season to wrap up. Bring on Cross!

by nikki on Nov 4, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you tell me... ;)

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Nov 4, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That would be very fun :-)

Hmm, wonder if we could swing that somehow…

by gavia on Nov 4, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure we can...

He’s very media- and twitter-friendly.

by dansel on Nov 4, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

So I’d pick a different one, of which we hear less.

by tedvdw on Nov 4, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

EBH

assuming he speaks english

by Jimbo... on Nov 4, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure

as soon as he stops by Seattle. It is, after all, the Norway of America.

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Nov 4, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he does, but oh dear

Possibly not an easy interview I fear. At ToB Ned Boulting gave up after his first couple of wins & interviewed Lars Petter Nordhaug about him instead. I get the impression he’s deeply shy & once he’s exhausted the first couple of stock reponses he’s rather at a loss. Of course, in Norwegian in might be totally different…

by civetta on Nov 4, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No

srsly, the guy fled Columbia out of shyness. Why wouldn’t he flee the Cafe too?

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Nov 4, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Unless you have a veeeeery reliable source

on the “fled out of shyness” I will never believe it.

It seems only slightly more more credible than “Contador fled The Schack because of arrogance”

by Jens on Nov 4, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

Stapleton says it. I’ve heard it echoed a few times. But that isn’t quite determinative.

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Nov 5, 2009 2:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nah

I wouldn’t take Stapleton’s comments on losing one of the sports biggest talents as gospel. I like Stapleton but this irks me slightly. It has a bit of “lots to learn” ring to it.

by Jens on Nov 5, 2009 3:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, it does

I don’t find it especially credible either. It’s one thing to be shy in an interview. Anyway, a shy rider has to deal with the team dynamics wherever he goes.

by gavia on Nov 5, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The simple answer

might be the right one. We were speculating two years ago how they were going to juggle all this overlapping talent. The answer is, but watching some of it leave.

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Nov 5, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A shy rider

that you can’t interview in person.. Gah, that would be really hard. With someone like hiim, you’d have to spend some time getting to know him, chatting at races and making some preliminary contact. Otherwise, it would be very hard to get a good interview, unfortunately.

by gavia on Nov 4, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it's always more difficult doing interviews over the phone when you haven't met the person ...

in the flesh before. And if the rider is shy, whoa that could be short yes/no answers,

by lyne on Nov 4, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yep

I’m picturing a lot of long silences, um’s, and yes/no answers. Not ideal.

by gavia on Nov 4, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There was a funny bit about that in ProCycling

Daniel Friebe did a a 20-minute interview with EBH, transcribed it, clicked on Word Count, and it came out to only 440 words. An interview the same length with Cav produced 2532 words.

by majope on Nov 4, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh my

that would be seriously demoralizing. 440 is nothing.

I don’t get the paper mags any more, so thanks for sharing that one!

by gavia on Nov 4, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

on the other hand I'd rather have shy short answers than the

repeated PR polished cliche answers. major yawnfest on those

by lyne on Nov 4, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

like the classic Sean Kelly anecdote

about responding with a nod to a question for a radio interview.

by R Mc on Nov 4, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lol, I feel much better now :-)

I actually tried to interview EBH in Rome after he finished the Giro tt, but I didn’t post the video of the two-question interview because I was pretty much doing all the talking.

EBH had stopped next to the press tent and was looking for someone who spoke English to help him ask an Italian official if he had to stick around, because he thought he had the fastest time at that point. I offered to help, but before I could ask the official the question in Italian, someone came up and clarified that EBH had the second best time, so he was free to go.

Since I was right there, I asked him if he minded answering a few questions, and he said yes, if it was quick, because he wanted to get to the bus for dry clothes. Unfortunately, my second question was way too long and involved, and the poor kid was standing there looking like he couldn’t get away from me fast enough. He gave a very short answer, and I put him out of his misery by saying thank you and letting him go.

He seemed very sweet, and he even manageed a smile or two, but I felt bad because he obviously wanted to get away. Hearing that he’s generally shy makes me feel like at least it maybe wasn’t entirely my fault for trying to do an interview with a guy who just wanted to get to the bus after a rainy time trial.

by Tifosa on Nov 4, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

After reading that

I insist that he be Chris’ next interview. Either him or CVV. If only we had an in with CVV. Anyone know someone who might have an in with CVV? I’m coming up with bubkis…

by Jimbo... on Nov 4, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

scratching my head here

Nope. Can’t think of anyone.

by ZoeRochelle on Nov 4, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh

I know this. I was in Chicago talking to someone who said they knew him… Um… Crap, it’ll come to me.

Tickets are bought, Belgium here I come!

by jsallee00 on Nov 4, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

CVV?

Someone send me a Why I love CVV mail once.. Hmmm.. wondering who it was

What do you fear most?
1. coup d’etat
2. putsch

by Frinking on Nov 5, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You kids are so funny.

But, I think I heard of someone who knew someone once who might know him. LOL!

I'm ready for this road season to wrap up. Bring on Cross!

by nikki on Nov 5, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

huh

From Garmin, I’d be more interested in Dan Martin or Martijn Maaskant. I feel like we know a lot about Vandevelde already.

by gavia on Nov 4, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

tick tock tick tock

and don’t be relying on that extra daylight savings hour too heavily. The Australian sisterhood will not be pleased.

by Jimbo... on Nov 4, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Only real journos file their stories on time. The Sesh totally above such things as deadlines.

It’ll be up today ;-)

by gavia on Nov 5, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm on it

Headed to Olso in the morning.

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Nov 5, 2009 2:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks, lyne

Next year, maybe I’ll try to go to a few more stage starts, which are better for interviews. The problem with that is that stage finishes are so much more fun! And the finishes are better for photos, too.

I think I’m too shy to ever be a natural at doing interviews, but I feel like I’m getting a bit more brave every year.

by Tifosa on Nov 4, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yep fnishes are more fun but starts are more condusive for an interview

one thing that I found is that it’s easier to just ask what you want to ask as opposed to going for the big question or the question that you think someone wants you to ask (er hope that made sense).

you know the riders, you know cycling go with it.

by lyne on Nov 4, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes, it makes perfect sense

ask the question you want to hear the answer to. and trust that it’s a question other people are asking too.

by gavia on Nov 4, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that does make sense, actually

Asking the questions I want to ask makes it seem more like a natural conversation. It’s also probably more interesting for the interviewees not to be asked the same questions by everyone.

by Tifosa on Nov 4, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

most definitely....

you remain engaged…and the athletes are also engaged…it’s a win-win for both of you. Some of my interesting answers came after asking the athlete something I wanted to know.

If you do chat after a race….keep the questions to the race, race tactics only….longer questions should be held for later.

by steph- on Nov 5, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like it when the interviewer avoids "and"

certainly in 1-on-1 situations (as opposed to a press conference setting). Keep the questions atomic.

by tedvdw on Nov 5, 2009 1:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh and I also like

when the question is actually a question, not a statement.

by tedvdw on Nov 5, 2009 1:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hate things like

“You must be really happy with that win”. Er….

by civetta on Nov 5, 2009 5:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

too shy?

all you need is more interviews to complete…and your shyness will disappear.

I echo Lyne’s pre-race suggestion….though not all riders like to chat before a race. I know certain riders have a pre-race routine…and chatting with press is not included.

by steph- on Nov 5, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for the encouragement!

What you said about some riders having a pre-race routine reminds me of something I read once in a Robbie McEwen interview. McEwen said he’ll talk to people before a race stage if it’s not a sprint stage. but before sprint stages, he’s preoccupied and doesn’t talk to anyone.

by Tifosa on Nov 6, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yep pre-race is better for interviews but even then there is a time constraint

I wouldn’t attempt a 20 minute interview before a stage for example unless it was set up and agreed to in advance.

by lyne on Nov 6, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You know I'm all about being your assistant.

Let me pull out your contact list and I’ll get on those calls for you. LOL!

I'm ready for this road season to wrap up. Bring on Cross!

by nikki on Nov 5, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Heh

I’d love for us to run weekly interviews. But man, they’re a lot of work – and we need to get connected up with the riders, which isn’t always easy.

by gavia on Nov 4, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks!

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Nov 4, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

a bat?

Now that would be an interesting way to convince riders to give interviews.

by Jens on Nov 4, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Chapeau Chris!

Really enjoyed the interview.

by Veloki on Nov 4, 2009 7:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I knew some of you cycling geeks would be great interviewers.

It’s just a matter of keeping your nerves and using your knowledge of the sport.

Smooth smooth smooth

No horn, watch for finger.

by sminer on Nov 4, 2009 8:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well

I didn’t transcribe the nervous laughter…

"Harder! Better! Faster! Stronger!" Philippe Gilbert

by Chris... on Nov 5, 2009 2:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Very smooth.

I would’ve been like Chris Farley

“Um, remember that time, when you were on Cav’s wheel? And, you came around? And you won?” “that was AWEsome!”

"My facking goat didn’t wear Robes! Does he look Scottisch?!" Baron von Frinkenstein

by itswells on Nov 5, 2009 6:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Boy if that interview doesn't ooze evil I don't know what does...

Look, it's a bird...no, it's a plane....oh never mind it's just fucking balloon boy

by Phil H. on Nov 4, 2009 9:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

We are taling JV sideburns evil here

Look, it's a bird...no, it's a plane....oh never mind it's just fucking balloon boy

by Phil H. on Nov 4, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

*talking

Look, it's a bird...no, it's a plane....oh never mind it's just fucking balloon boy

by Phil H. on Nov 4, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent

especially the Q&A on the difference between using the Columbia train versus having their own train: insightful stuff

Moo

by Willj on Nov 5, 2009 5:44 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Chris

Great interview. Well done.

by slowK on Nov 5, 2009 6:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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