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Best of the Aughts: Classics Studs

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Without slipping into a full-on tribute to the eternal awesomeness of the classics, let me just briefly tick off a little of what makes them so great, and what it means about the riders who contest them, in the hopes that we can crown a Best Classician of the Aughts. First is the ability of one-day races, and all the arbitrariness that implies, to spread around the glory in often cruel and unpredictable ways. We usually agree that the best rider won, but more specifically we mean the best rider on that particular day who wasn't otherwise eliminated by illness, injury or a late puncture. Did someone wake up with better legs? Maybe, but we'll never know. So any hint of consistent excellence against such odds is a huge indicator of true class.

The other big factor to consider is that no two classics are alike. Hell, sometimes even the same race changes from year to year. But although we tend to draw a hard distinction between the Ardennes (climby classics) and the Flemish stuff (thoroughbred grinds), the reality is many more shades of gray. No rider since Merckx is suited to every type of classic, but even among the wildly varied body types, most classics champions can hack it over a pretty fair number of different courses. So while some apples-to-oranges comparisons are inevitable, if Philippe Gilbert can win Paris-Tours and Lombardia in 2009 then this exercise is worthwhile.

One last elephant in the room: doping. Any "best of the aughts" is going to capture a lot of data from both sides of Operacion Puerto, calling into question the value of plenty of results, even those from the unchecked doping era of ten years ago. [I don't subscribe to the theory that a doped win was valid if everyone else was juiced. Too messy.] Ten years from now, this column will be more fun to write. Whaddyagonna do?

So with apologies to Michele Bartoli, Nico Mattan, Alessandro Ballan, Michael Boogerd, Oscar Freire and others, here are the nominees for top Classics Studs from the Aughts. In vaguely chronological order...

Erik Zabel

For: One of the most successful cyclists of any stripe in history. As a sprinter, he naturally gravitated toward the greater glory of the Tour, whose points jersey should have a Vinoeque picture of Zabel on it. Nonetheless, the Energizer Bunny of German cycling (non-Jens! edition) racked up more than his share of one-day glories in the aughts, hitting a massive career peak from 2000-04 when he never slipped below #2 in the world rankings. And if you think he was just a sprinter, contemplate that he won the Amstel Gold Race along with two MSRs, two Paris-Tours editions, Vattenfall, Henninger Turm, Koln and the German championships

Against: Stated simply, not enough of the big events. The only monument he ever won was MSR. He became famous for just missing out on the Worlds, with a pair of silvers and a bronze medal in a five-year span. Of all the guys on this list, Zabel suffers the most from lack of diverse results, despite the fact that as sprinters go he was a terrific climber.

Bestoftheaughtsbecco Says: Does anyone dislike Erik Zabel? I mean, anywhere?

Paolo Bettini

For: Breadth and number of wins. He won in Spain, Greece, Germany, Austria, Switzerland and of course Italy. He won three of the five monuments -- best in the Aughts -- as well as two Worlds and an Olympic gold medal. He won three World Cup competitions. Of the "climbers" on the list, Bettini is the only one to break through at a significant "sprinters' race," Milano-Sanremo. Even more than the Worlds or Lombardia, he owned Zurich, with four podiums in five years.

Against: Never overwhelmingly great so much as consistently close by, poised to strike. Of the sprinty climbers, if he was ever the fastest I never saw it. Valverde, DiLuca, Rebellin and Cunego have all shown top gears superior to Bettini on most days. He also feasted on late-season stuff, when the competition is thinned out some, and on national team duty, where Italy usually gave him unreal support, possibly out of fear that he was going to go for the win regardless of what Ballerini had in mind. Also, no wins in Flanders (not for lack of effort) and curiously little in France. If it sounds like I'm nitpicking...

Bestoftheaughtsbecco Says: This entire conversation goes nowhere without the Cricket.

Davide Rebellin

For: Good to the last drop (ahem!). Rebellin's consistency was slightly different than Bettini's -- in his narrower menu of races, Tintin was pretty much always in the finale. And if Bettini's finest hours were often in Azzurri colors, Rebellin won regularly and convincingly for an otherwise pretty thin Gerolsteiner outfit. In addition to his great, unprecedented signature trio of Ardennes wins in 2004, Rebellin scored five podiums in Liege, two in Amstel, four in La Fleche and three in San Sebastian... starting in 2000 up through 2009. Talk about consistency.

Against: Unfortunately, there's a pretty good chance he was consistently doped to the gills in these races. Of the guys on this list, only DiLuca inspires less confidence in his integrity. And even if you somehow believe in him, he probably rates as the least diverse climber worth mentioning. No national team success outside of his tainted Olympic medal, but then registering for Argentinian citizenship doesn't usually endear yourself to the Azzurri management.

Bestoftheaughtsbecco Says: His doctor couldn't find anything to get him over the Poggio? Whatever.

Alejandro Valverde

For: Seeing is believing. When Valverde wins, he usually blows the competition away with a lightning-fast finish unmatched by any of the Italians. Rebellin and DiLuca each got him once, and Boonen pipped him for the World title in Madrid, but that's about it. Setting aside his grand tour success (off-topic!), Valverde covers a lot of classics ground... pretty much everything but MSR, the cobbles and the truly flat stuff. He ignores Amstel but targets La Fleche (1 win, 1 2nd) and L-B-L (2 wins, 1 2nd) regularly, along with San Sebastian. All this despite focusing mostly on the grand tours.

Against: A little of this, a little of that. He could be #1 on this list if his attention weren't elsewhere. Ultimately, he doesn't contest enough classics to own the decadal title. His integrity is a constant source of questions. I dunno... Nobody here is as much a product of both the pre- and post-Puerto worlds. Valverde belongs in both, or maybe neither. Very confusing.

Bestoftheaughtsbecco Says: Guys like him have no business blowing off MSR. Maybe he and Boasson Hagen can split the cost of a cycling history tutor.

Tom Boonen

For: Within his element, he's the most dominant cyclist of the decade. On the cobbles he has three Monument wins (Roubaix x 3, Flanders x 2) and a slew of Flemish successes in places like the E3 (four times), Scheldeprijs (twice), Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne (twice), Gent-Wevelgem, etc. His signature run in 2005 netted him Flanders, Roubaix and the world title. And with five podiums beginning in 2003, he might be the most dominant Paris-Roubaix rider ever before he's done.

Against: His top-end speed has deserted him before he could break everyone's sprint and classics records. The cocaine stuff is irrelevant to this conversation, but it doesn't help that he disappears in late April and isn't seen much afterwards, save for a couple grand tour points successes. Losing to Gilbert on the Ave du Grammont this fall cost him a shot at expanding his resume in interesting ways. And while it might be nice to see him try some of the crossover races (San Sebastian, Amstel), he probably can't win on anything climbier than de Ronde.

Bestoftheaughtsbecco Says: Is it possible to be a little too Belgian? With a few exceptions, most of his wins are at races he could have ridden to from his parents' house.

Honorable Mentions

Johan Museeuw: The Lion of Flanders had a great career, stretching into the Aughts with two more cobbles for his shelf and second at de Ronde. But about those chemicals...

Oscar Freire: How many world titles does it take to get into a conversation on classics studs? More than three, if you're acool, all-round sprinter like Freire who just misses out on the biggest prizes a bit too much.

Peter Van Petegem: Even Boonen sticks around the sport longer than Van Petegem did. Of course, it's hard not to like a guy who hopped out of the Roubaix velodrome showers and started training for the next Ronde. And his signature treble in 2003 (Flanders-Gent-Roubaix) was one for the ages. But there's more to life than cobbled classics. There, I said it. Are you happy now?

Danilo Di Luca: Nobody spent more years of the Aughts winning under a dark cloud of suspicion, which is kind of a tribute to both his on-bike success and the skill of his legal team. Launched with his Lombardia win in 2001, the Killer scored results all over Europe -- San Sebastian, Plouay, the Ardennes and at home. His finest hours were at the Giro, however, and once you start talking about the "pipi of the Angels," it's hard to carry on much further. You broke my heart, Danilo. You broke my heart!

Filippo Pozzato: Pippo obviously doesn't come close to winning the title here, but it's worth noting that he has an MSR win, two Omloops, and seconds at MSR and Paris-Roubaix. He is a consistent threat to win three of the five monuments, and could maybe eek out a crossover win at Amstel, San Seb, or the next two World Championships. When we write the 2005-2014 version of this column, Pozzato could be pretty high up the list.

Alexandre Vinokourov: Not my favorite subject, but Vino wins on instinct and aggression, the kind of skillset that could work just about anywhere. So far that's included just Amstel and Liege, plus lots of stage-race success. And I understand he's been a hit with the preparatore crowd too. Punk.

Damiano Cunego: Cunego is staking a claim on "best Lombardista ever" with three wins in a short time. He has failed in the Ardennes though, other than a single Amstel win, and sadly doesn't seem overly focused on MSR, where he could wind up that closing speed against the right crowd and set the record straight about La Primavera not being a "pure sprinters' race."

Erik Dekker: He'd have made the top half of this post easily had his career lined up with the Aughts. Dekker had a more diverse list of wins than just about any of his peers, including Paris-Tours, San Sebastian, Amstel Gold, and a handful of time trial national titles. Put him on a team with Zabel and Bettini and you've got a chance to win every classic known to man -- multiple times. But as good as he was as a rider, he can't escape his record as a Rabobank strategist for the last three seasons. Ouch!

Random observation: Is it me or does it seem like Milano-Sanremo is the race you have to have on your palmares to win this category?

THE VERDICT! Bettini... by a nose.

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Photos by Doug Pensinger and Pascal Rondeau, Getty Images Sport

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agreed on DiLuca heartbreak, unfortunately

I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it

by plinytheelder on Dec 15, 2009 7:17 PM EST reply actions  

Let me be the first to say

that that Il Grillo Diablo was so much hype. He lost me when he took Cookie into the barriers in the Giro (2002?). I didn’t like him before and less so after. He was just not all that. IMHO

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on Dec 15, 2009 7:57 PM EST reply actions  

er

I don’t think you’re the first. Well, you may have been the first to say this, about 45 minutes after we opened the Cafe.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 15, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

doh!

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on Dec 15, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

2005 Giro

And he followed it by a massive dummy-spit when was relegated by the commissaires.

On the other hand, I have seen him do/heard of him doing some quite sporting things at times. They don’t make up for what he did in the Giro, but they go to show he’s not a complete tosser.

by Drongo on Dec 15, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Good on ya.

Only 4 yr ago, seemed much longer. My distaste know no bounds.

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on Dec 15, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I don't blame you, really

Here’s the CN report of that stage.

The photos don’t do it justice, as I recall. I have the video somewhere; I’ll watch it and remind myself.

by Drongo on Dec 15, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

It was ugly.

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on Dec 15, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

It was racing

Cooke was just too desperate to be professional.

Next question: how many world cups did The petulant Cooke win?

Brooklyn Chewing Gum: Vlaanderens Mooiste

by Koppenberg on Dec 16, 2009 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

?

Bettini leaves Cooke in the dust as a classics rider, his palmares bear no comparison. I think he’s the best one-day rider of this decade, for sure. That is, of course, irrelevant to the point Elvisgoat was making.

For what it’s worth, I thought Cooke was a model of restraint after the stunt Bettini pulled. I hasten to add that I’m not a dual world champion, I haven’t won three world cups, five monuments, an Olympic gold and numerous grand tour stages. Indeed, I have never been in the sprint in a grand tour stage, and my view is likely to be important to no-one but me, but there it is.

by Drongo on Dec 16, 2009 3:31 AM EST up reply actions  

therefore
I hasten to add that I’m not a dual world champion, I haven’t won three world cups, five monuments, an Olympic gold and numerous grand tour stages.

you obviously have no right to comment on this question.

by yeehoo on Dec 16, 2009 5:32 AM EST up reply actions  

But he's Drongo... an armchair guru really

who rides real bikes and knows whereof he speaks.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Dec 16, 2009 5:35 AM EST up reply actions  

was sposed to be a joke

in reference to some guy awhile back who had the opinion that anyone who hadn’t won some sort of races had no right to comment. Then with drongo’s humorous admission of his lack of palmares, well ….

Funny now? No? Ok.

by yeehoo on Dec 16, 2009 5:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes I got the joke and i thought I made one in reply :(

Thanks for your faith in me Frinkster. You’re adorable.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Dec 16, 2009 7:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry,

I haven’t been around the site in a while, but EG and I have gone round & round & round on that stage for a while. I was mostly making a joking reference to those earlier conversations. (BTW, my take has been that if you look at the stage immediately before, DiLuca pulled a similar move on Bettini and Paulo conceded him the stage rather than cause a crash. The next day, when Bettini has position, Cooke chose to force the issue. Technically, Cooke was in the right, but that sort of move happens in nearly every sprint and Baden was just too desperate for a result to ride like a professional.)

Of course, without context I just look like a boor.

Brooklyn Chewing Gum: Vlaanderens Mooiste

by Koppenberg on Dec 17, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks for the explanation

I haven’t been here that long, I suppose.
On the Cooke/Bettini thing, I guess we just have different opinions. No harm in that.

by Drongo on Dec 17, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

AKA The Noughties?

I agree wholeheartedly with Bettini as winner. You mention Freire twice? (apology and hon. mention) and 3+2=5 :)

by tedvdw on Dec 15, 2009 8:09 PM EST reply actions  

yeah

too lazy to fix it…

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 15, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Pardon my ignorance

But what is an “aught”?

Is that another name for the classics?

by slowK on Dec 15, 2009 8:12 PM EST reply actions  

The decade

between the nineties and the teens.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 15, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

slow K

isn’t that a potassium pill?

Your bike doesn't want to crash so relax and let it roll!!!

by perezbike on Dec 15, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

SlowK is a potassium pill

I’m also not very fast on a bike, and my name starts with K…

by slowK on Dec 16, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

+1 You'd think they'd at least spell it with an "O"

    On the bright side, we don’t need to know what they are for another 90 years. They must have been really desperate the day they came up with that word. Was “toons” already taken when they went searching for the word?

"Drawing on my fine command of language I said nothing."- Groucho

by Mark Frank on Dec 16, 2009 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

It's Noughties where we are, isn't it the same for you?

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Dec 16, 2009 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah.

I geddit now. Thanks.

by slowK on Dec 15, 2009 8:17 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks Chris

Nice to have something other than how cold it is outside to think about right now.

I agree that Bettini wins it out of the bunch, but I have a feeling this is so going to Gilbert next time. He’d definitely win the 2005-2015 era, assuming he keeps up half the head of steam he had this year.

by dansel on Dec 15, 2009 8:26 PM EST reply actions  

Well

2008-2017 is totally in the bag for Phil-Gil. I mean, he’s with Silence-Lotto, what could possibly go wrong?

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 15, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think you want anyone to answer that.

Of course, \o/ does do a wonderful job of absorbing all the bad luck over there.

by dansel on Dec 15, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Boonen for me

He won worlds too remember, he won all the cobbled classics and he has factored into ALL the cobbled races in the last half of the decade. If someone else won it was because they were a teammate who took advantage of people marking him, or the winner had a strategy specifically on how to beat Boonen. Nobody else is like this. I don’t think he’s done, and I do think he could win something else (aside from the Green jersey which he’s got too),

He is the only guy whenever a cobbled classic comes up, the question is – will Boonen win, why or why not? There is no other racer of the oughts who was like that for the long stretch.

I would love to see him peak for the Ardennes once. He would be nasty I think.

by Markk on Dec 15, 2009 8:43 PM EST reply actions  

I think he could go and win Amstel one day

I truly do. Whether he actually tries it or not is another story. Cyclesport had a story on him approximately in their April 2009 issue where they mentioned him taking on Amstel. He’s still loathe to in the coming year because he thinks it takes a completely different kind of preparation. I’m not so sure it does, though… and it’s only a week later.

Please, Tommeke, do Amstel. And race race it. Consider it your Christmas present to me.

by dansel on Dec 15, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

At one point last year I read an interview with him where he said he’s skipping the Ardennes, because why would he work his ass off to maybe finish 15th at Liège. I know you’re talking about Amstel, and that it’s a different race…but at this point in his career, I’m guessing that Boonen doesn’t really want to rock the boat.

I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it

by plinytheelder on Dec 15, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

like for example...

by becoming a time trialist?

"It looks like talking, but it’s just words that comes out"
~ Andy Schleck

by Hons on Dec 16, 2009 12:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Well played.

I’m looking forward to seeing where Boonen goes next year. Aside from winning either Flanders or PR again, of course.

by dansel on Dec 16, 2009 2:19 AM EST up reply actions  

me too

I am including him in my vds just because I like to root for him.

As a matter of fact I will only include in my VDS riders I like to root for. I will certainly not win with this strategy, but fun will be assured.

Your bike doesn't want to crash so relax and let it roll!!!

by perezbike on Dec 15, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you! Heart not brain is more fun

even if it’s not a winning strategy…

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Dec 15, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

One possible omission . . .

Cancellara.

Won MSR and PR, could have won Flanders had he not made the mistake of showing everyone how insanely strong he was . . .

Would be my bet to win a climby classic more than Boonen . . .

by R Mc on Dec 15, 2009 9:38 PM EST reply actions  

this was because he still...

has a lot to learn. ops!!! wrong rider

Your bike doesn't want to crash so relax and let it roll!!!

by perezbike on Dec 15, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

HAR!

I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it

by plinytheelder on Dec 15, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

In the future, yes

But for the Aughts… not enough there.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 15, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Next project...

…“Best of the Teens.” Make your predictions now. We’ll hold you to ’em in ten years. :-)

by MaestroDon on Dec 16, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Evans with 11 monuments to his name

you read it here first folks

I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it

by plinytheelder on Dec 16, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

No horn, watch for finger.

by sminer on Dec 16, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed, however

Cancellara has proven that he can be a rider for any race with the exception of a Grand Tour. I’d watch out for him this season. Because of the horrible luch he had last season (sickness, mechanicals, etc) he will be on the war path! I see him and PPO battling it out at PR with a fresh face mixed in.

Boy would I love to see Boss Hog in the mix. I love that strage (slightly feminine/childish) victory salute where he waves his arms side to side from the elbows like winshield wipers!

by seanmdo on Dec 17, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Not really a contender for the crown

but at least in the first half of the decade, Ludo Dierckxsens was a threat. Although his moves sometimes seemed a bit nuts, he had heaps of hardman style. His best days were in the late 90’s, with a Belgian Championship, a tour stage and a few minor one day races, but he was still bringing it into the mid aughts. His late entry into pro cycling and his previous career as a painter in a truck factory only add to the legend.
Thanks for the post, I needed some diversion today.
As far as the listed contenders go, I loves me some Bettini, but I would be remiss to mention the main man. Pippo!

Flahutes: Harden the F--k Up!

by bobgade on Dec 15, 2009 11:15 PM EST reply actions  

just want to say

Thanks to Chris.. for another interesting and well researched post. I am constantly amazed by the wealth of knowledge and passion for discussion by all who contribute on this site. It really is a treat.

by Davide Don of Rio on Dec 15, 2009 11:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

my pleasure

believe me!

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 15, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

+1 to Davide's comment.

If it wasn’t for the PdC and the excellent, insightful material from Chris, Gavia, and others, I might still be one of those casual fans who only follows that several week jaunt around the French countryside. Thankfully, I’ve been bitten by the Classics bug.

This line captured one of the factors that makes these races/riders special, IMHO:

“So any hint of consistent excellence against such odds is a huge indicator of true class”.

by Spot of Bother on Dec 16, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

hooo..

What did he say?! Dekker as DS is the Most entertaining DS there is in the peloton. Give him some respect.. 3 examples

1. Paris-Nice the echelon stage. It was his idea.
2. K-B-K. Langeveld vs Rabo. I was entertaining and a good strategy.. until the last 3km..
3. OHN where the Rabo guys were with 4 ahead!

Don’t say you didn’t enjoy those stages? Well for me it’s enough to let him sign a contract for decades..

by Frinking on Dec 16, 2009 3:51 AM EST reply actions  

OK

But after three years it was about time!

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 16, 2009 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Classics riders
No rider since Merckx is suited to every type of classic

I suppose it’s my patriotic duty to point out that surely Sean Kelly was a rider suited to all the classics. He won all the monuments at least twice except Flanders where he finished 2nd on three occasions.

http://www.irishpeloton.com/

by irishpeloton on Dec 16, 2009 7:01 AM EST reply actions  

Er

Yep, you’re dead on there. I suppose you could say LeMond was there for all of them too, but Kelly actually won.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 16, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Hinault

I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it

by plinytheelder on Dec 16, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

kelly, and i admit i only have youtube to back this up (too young), was THE MAN in the classics

"well...you live in england so: you love the rain. loves the queen. hates cycling. based on mr bean had a tremendous amount of humour. all ride in a mini cooper. all getting drunk before the age of 12. getting drunk at least 3 times a day."- frinking, 7/9/09

by benrazor on Dec 16, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed 'bout Kelly

That dude seriously won a lot of races.

by gavia on Dec 21, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I am/was a huge Zabel fan

but it’s interesting how some riders seem to get a pass for their doping history (eg Zabel has admitted doping) whereas others are widely hated (Vino, Ricco, etc)

Moo

by Willj on Dec 16, 2009 9:13 AM EST reply actions  

Zabel came forward himself is the difference

He had no positives, he had no one really targeting him (as opposed to just TMob in general). He and Aldag just said enough, lets get this out. If twenty more riders had joined them then, it would have made a difference to the sport. I think that was a lost opportunity.

by Markk on Dec 16, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Timing

If Zabel were doping in 2007, I would have a huge problem with him.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 16, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Zabel

You forgot to mention his six-day wins. Now that’s diversity!

It's a girl, and a boy!

by Lopex on Dec 16, 2009 10:25 AM EST reply actions  

Slippery slope

Valverde won a grand tour. DIdn’t want to get into such extracurricular things.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 16, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

But

your point is taken. The guy raced 11 months a year.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 16, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

and wimped out the other one, I have no respect for the dude

I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it

by plinytheelder on Dec 16, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

Why didn’t he enter cyclo-cross races? Chicken!

It's a girl, and a boy!

by Lopex on Dec 16, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

It was not criticism

Just amazement about Zabels span of activities. And success!

It's a girl, and a boy!

by Lopex on Dec 16, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

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Introducing L'Eroica Rosa
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Phinney takes phlight?
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The boy and his golden pedal. Or, Farrar Wins Today's Vuelta Stage
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Giro in Slovakia instead of DC?
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Thor "consulting"
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