Podium Cafe: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
New Blog: Cottagers Confidential for Fulham FC Fans!

Yahoo! Cycling and Computers, Together At Last!!

Thanks to Lucybears for starting the conversation in the Fanshots, but this needs its own post, or it least it launched too many brainwaves for me not to write. Was anyone else as flabbergasted by this as I was?

An online survey targeted at Silicon Valley Professionals revealed that an astonishing 50 percent are cycling enthusiasts and follow the local scene.

This is the lede in a CN story of how Yahoo! decided to plunge into cycling. 50% is a huge number. Not quite NFL, but I would take a guess that the Oakland A's wouldn't mind of 50% of Silicon Valley tech dudes, or any other sliver of the population, cared about them. I'd bet the Giants aren't far above that figure. Anyway, in response to this local phenomenon (and probably some assumptions about how Silicon Valley isn't entirely alone), Yahoo! has plunged itself into pro cycling as the title sponsor of America's latest new team. There are a lot of interesting subplots here.

First, another American team... at some point this has to stop, right? Maybe not: nowhere in the CN piece do they utter the words "Tour de France," the ultimate choke point on big teams and sponsors. So for now, let's assume they intend to build slowly, and if circumstances allow Yahoo! Cycling to someday evolve into a Tour team, c'est la vie. By 2013 or so, who knows whether the Shack will live on, or whether Columbia will still be an American team. Anyway, if the Tour were a short-term goal I would be dubious, but that doesn't appear to be the case.

Second, the tech connection... cycling and computers don't seem like the most natural fit, and yet this site is testament to the lie. Cycling's roots are in the blue-collar farming and mining worlds, but cycling fans come from all sectors of society, or at least they have. Now, since the sport is expensive and hard to access through traditional media, it's people who are at least comfortable with computers who have the greatest access to the sport, at least in the US. We use the internet to commune and watch races, but computers have a vital role to the riders as well: they analyze fitness or bike positioning or to design training plans. They share data with coaches, show terrain from tomorrow's race, or even help young North American pros stay connected to friends and family from their unfamiliar European base of operations. True, nobody needs a computer to ride a bike or even to develop into a professional cyclist, but they provide enough advantages that you're seeing at least a strong tendency for bikers to be computer savvy, and vice versa.

Finally, and maybe most importantly, the business model. A disclaimer: here's where we fans start to wander off into the intellectual deep end, and if you grab on to me, chances are we'll both drown. [h/t Tracey Jordan.] But the cyclist-as-billboard model seems to be taking another hit here. Headman Kevin Klein describes the concept thusly:

"The whole idea behind the Yahoo! Cycling Team is the recruitment of high tech professionals in the Silicon Valley and to provide a platform for partners to achieve more involvement at the community level."

So unless he intends to hire software engineers to run bottles up to the front, I assume what he means is that this huge supply of tech dudes who love cycling will be enlisted as supporters of some sort -- informal? fan club members? shareholders? I dunno. But they are aiming at some level of grassroots support to go along with the Yahoo! money dump. Presumably this will all become clear when they do their official launch in January.

Traditional business models have always called on cycling to act as the medium, not the message. I am always open to new ideas, so the idea of cycling transitioning into the message is intriguing, to say the least. It would say just as much about the sport at the pro level as it would about the growing popularity of cycling for other purposes: transportation, exercise, and dare I say it... entertainment!

Bottom line: Keep an eye on Yahoo! Cycling, as a new team and a barometer of changes in the larger cycling world.

1 recs  |  Comment 81 comments |

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

nice to see sponsor dollars heading cycling’s way.

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 18, 2009 2:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

how does exclusive coverage mesh with social media?

but it’s good to see another sponsor come into the sport.

by lyne on Dec 18, 2009 3:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hey

we have had long, long discussions of how much we hate exclusive coverage. That’s something…

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 18, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thusly is not a word. Sorry, no further insight at the moment.

by tedvdw on Dec 18, 2009 3:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It is, actually.

It means ‘like so’ and if it’s not in the dictionary, it’s a fixed and intelligible enough usage that it should be.

by Ed K on Dec 18, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It is “often used for amusement or to make an ironic point.” Given that Americans don’t understand irony and that Chris is American, I think it is clear that it was used wrongly here.

;) ;) ;)

by tedvdw on Dec 18, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey!

Americans understand irony. Don’t you watch NYC Prep?

[Full disclosure: my wife forced me at gunpoint to watch NYC Prep. Otherwise, she’s aces.]

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 18, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

Many Americans neglect the suffix ‘-ly’ in adverbial usage (eg. ‘he was driving slow’). Hence, Apple’s old slogan, ‘Think different’, which made me think of strangling the copy-writer, so I suppose it worked.

‘Thus’ is, in that context, an adverbial usage that doesn’t add ‘-ly’ to a word, and yet the Americans, of all people, add one to this word, and not the rest.

Is that ironic? If Alanis Morrisette shat in the woods and a tree fell on her, would she still be wrong?

by Drongo on Dec 18, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Irony?

Sure we understand it, it’s just like that Alanis Morisette song.
It’s like rain, on your weeeeeeeeeeeeddddddddinnngggg daayyyyyyyyyy….

Did she intend to make some sort of multi-layered statement with that song or did she really not understand it? Always wondered that

by Nomer on Dec 18, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

She's clueless.

That song has always bugged me to no end for just that reason.

George bunny-hopped my bike somehow. He's like a cat. -- cvv

by cg. on Dec 18, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Youtube: “ed byrne alanis”

by tedvdw on Dec 18, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The thing that worries me here...

…is that I’m not honestly sure that CN article was entirely put together from anything other than a cut and paste job with a press release. I recall reading the same passage about ‘recruiting tech professionals’ you refer to and just being baffled.

Surely they don’t mean they want these people to form the core of the team, but I honestly can’t see what other form of ‘recruiting’ here has value from the point of view of Yahoo the sponsor. If this were the mid-90s, I could imagine that this would just be one of this bizarro silicon valley cash dumps, but those days are gone, so presumably there is some supposed value.

Here, I think it is advertising, just that what you’re reading is code-word boilerplate for that. What they want is to get ‘tech professionals,’ i.e., the highly wired target audience for the cycling team, to view Yahoo! (long seen as cheezy stepchild to Goggle) more positively, and for that regard to go viral from there. How to do that? Advertising impressions of precisely the right sort, the ones that lead to brand identification, not just brand consciousness. How to do that? Sponsor something lots of the target audience does recreationally.

I still think it boils down to advertising, otherwise the money dump just doesn’t make sense to me.

by Ed K on Dec 18, 2009 4:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Cat 1 Team

I read it differently. It sounded to me like the team will be an amateur team in 2010 and apply for Continental (Div III) status in 2011. If you have an amateur team that is racing locally and at some bigger races around the country, having some member of Silicon Valley on the team makes sense. The first paragraph said that 50% follow the local scene so having local riders would be important.

by John.. on Dec 18, 2009 4:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

In that case

is this CN headliner-worthy? If CN is covering amateurs, I should let them know about my team getting a discount from NUUN.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 18, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah..

I was wondering why it was on CN – but maybe its just a slow news day or they thought the having a few former pros on the team was worth it. Then again, I’m all for them promoting local cycling – I wish my team had a sponsor.

by John.. on Dec 18, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Team Podium Cafe?

I’ll kick in $10. Anyone else? Also, we will need bloodwork results, to protect our investment.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 18, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Community Team

We could be like the Green Bay Packers or Euskaltel!

by John.. on Dec 18, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'll throw in $10

and an extra 10 if i can skip the bloodwork.

"Ants don’t worry, they operate like a fantastic team, they accept obstacles and deal with them in a positive manner, they don’t complain and remain positive. An ant doesn’t work on emotion, is proactive and always chooses the ant role."

by ant1 on Dec 18, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

NO WHITE SHORTS!

sorry didn’t mean to yell but please ….

by lyne on Dec 18, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Forget that

I’ll kick in $20 but only if we require white shorts. There, I said it.

by Jimbo... on Dec 18, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

it is the hatred of white shorts that is at issue here. What did white shorts ever do to you?

by Jimbo... on Dec 18, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

back in my day

we used to wear them sticking out of our black shorts. Very late-80s eastern suburban soccer-chic.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 18, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

they got wet before a podium

while I was at …. crotch level to take the photo. Need I say more?

by lyne on Dec 18, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

not seeing the problem

by Jimbo... on Dec 18, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

please don't

really.
don’t.
thanks.

George bunny-hopped my bike somehow. He's like a cat. -- cvv

by cg. on Dec 18, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh, that is unfortunate

George bunny-hopped my bike somehow. He's like a cat. -- cvv

by cg. on Dec 18, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll also put $10 on Team No White Shorts.

George bunny-hopped my bike somehow. He's like a cat. -- cvv

by cg. on Dec 18, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It is an amateur team as it is not registered as a Continental team (Div III)

Some of the riders on the team were on ‘pro’ teams last year such as Rock Racing and as far as I know, all are based in the Bay Area. Not sure if I’d consider them tech professionals.

by lyne on Dec 18, 2009 4:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well there you have it

General advice, if you’re wading into the intellectual deep end, grab on to Lyne.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 18, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yup....Lyne is a great resource!

…and the team is meant to be a local NorCal team next year.

by steph- on Dec 18, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait a second

was this all a hoax to see if CN could get me to post about them? Or did the Yahoo engineers create a faux CN page with the “news” to trick me into the post? I need a shower.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 18, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have often wondered when this tie-in would light a bulb in some Goog or Yahoo ad person.
it’s people who are at least comfortable with computers who have the greatest access to the sport, at least in the US.

by ZoeRochelle on Dec 18, 2009 5:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather see them sponsor

a giant cyclosportive on some sport of cool course that promotes getting involved.

eg . Long, medium, and easy course. Announced well in advance so people of all levels can commit to training (like a marathon).

And some Yahoo! stock options for anyone that finishes (which is actually a cheap prize given that Yahoo! may disappear as a company in the next five years.

Moo

by Willj on Dec 18, 2009 5:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

quel

aubergine!

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 18, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

third try was the charm

Auberge, abergine…

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 18, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no comment

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 19, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nice!

except it’s so ….. yahoo

by yeehoo on Dec 19, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They could sponsor a ride for charity.

    Like say Yahoo! for cancer! Maybe not. They wouldn’t last another year with that approach. ;-)

"Drawing on my fine command of language I said nothing."- Groucho

by Mark Frank on Dec 18, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what the what?!?

Disappear?? But I’ve had the same yahoo!mail account since 1996!

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 18, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

 podiumcafe@gmail is taken?

Moo

by Willj on Dec 18, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course, it’s hardly comparable. Yahoo is a well-established company and the team seems much less ambitious on the short term (not even UCI Conti status for now) than Noble House pretended to be.

by tedvdw on Dec 18, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but there's a lot of incoherence to the way the CN article presents it...

…possibly b/c they’re trying to blow up a very local project into something newsworthy, as others have pointed out.

(thus my public head-scratching above about what was going on, while I was still taking CN’s innuendos that this was a big deal far too seriously)

by Ed K on Dec 18, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

or Linda McCartney or

Sony-Ericsson??

This could turn into one of those best of the aughts posts, bitter irony division:

Best Vapor-teams.

by R Mc on Dec 18, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know LMcC

(also referred to in the autobus article I linked), but not Sony-Ericsson. What was that?

Another troubled upstart: Mercury (2001).

by tedvdw on Dec 18, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well now

Hard to argue with that, except maybe that their sponsorship of cycling is in the “rounding error” range as opposed to the millions of dollars lit on fire every day by big companies.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 18, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm confused

CN considered a new amateur team in NorCali, where there are like a thousand masters teams, news?

Huh.

by gavia on Dec 18, 2009 9:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think it is news that Yahoo wants to sponsor a team that wants to grow into a pro team in the near future but...

the problem is that the press release (it reads like one) is very confusing. Who are the riders – techies? or ….

by lyne on Dec 18, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, the press release is confusing

but I read this as basically a club team with a couple elite riders and a big name company on the jersey, who may or may not be giving much in the way of funding. Raise your hand if you’ve ever seen – or been on – a local team that had a “sponsor” who was just on the jersey?

Hernando might know the deets, actually.

by gavia on Dec 19, 2009 12:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

rule out the techies

most of sv is braindoping.

by bikepig on Dec 19, 2009 1:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

CyclingNews...

…is setting a dangerous precedent by giving these guys press. Every other “regional” team out there should be flooding the inbox at CyclingNews with their 2010 season preview releases, too.

I wonder if anyone at Yahoo knows what they bought into…

by Chief Commissaire on Dec 19, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't be anything new.

Our team used to send out a p. r. to CN—and it would be posted.

We certainly weren’t alone in that.

by R Mc on Dec 19, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Damn

Should I send them a writeup of our QBP order? Sponsorship is always news now.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 19, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This will never work...

As I recall a certain team did the same thing a few years ago, how did that turn out…

BMC racing team….that was a financial disaster.

by ThomasN on Dec 18, 2009 10:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I am sorry, but I am highly skeptical.

Do any of you know how many times Yahoo, Sun Micro., Google, Apple, and all the others are hit up to help support a team every year?

So, now Yahoo is on the ropes and it decides the best us of it’s dwindling marketing budget is to sponsor a bike team?
Really?

It is very unlikely this is gonna go anywhere.

by Ryan_Liles on Dec 18, 2009 10:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

More sizzle than steak...

Or so it seems. But with the phenomenal amount of interest there is in cycling in Northern California, and apparently in Silicon Valley in particular, it makes sense to try to harness it by sponsoring a top-notch team. Lots of interest among people with lots of money… not a bad thing.

I’m sure folks are right to be skeptical as to whether Yahoo can pull this off in any signifcant sense, but kudos to them for trying whatever it is that they’re trying.

by tgartner on Dec 19, 2009 3:14 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

excellent headline

Maybe Omega Pharma can put that in the coveted tailbone location on their short.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 19, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

-s

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 19, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

O/T

Alby has been turfed by QST :-(.

C’mon Sanquer – time to get Proskurin et al to have another dig around down the back of the sofa for some loose change. I wouldn’t mind seeing an Aussie riding for the benefit of the glorious nation :-)

by Lou... on Dec 19, 2009 11:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I know some local guys who

will be riding for Yahoo next year. They told me this in October so at least it’s come this far, and I hope it doesn’t fall apart because they are super excited about it.

by brunopitton on Dec 19, 2009 11:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Every sprint, every cobble, every mountain pass from the world of Pro Cycling
Start posting on Podium Cafe »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

Connect_with_facebook

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Dscn1038_small
The Flying Milkman: Frans Verbeeck
Hope_small
BOYCOTT ESPN... Until They Fire Tony Kornheiser

Recent FanPosts

Cowbell_small_small
MSR: Who Ya Got? Poll Time!
Small
SB Nation Survey + Chance to donate $500 to a charity of this community's choice
Small
Yeehoo’s Book Report, or Laurent Fignon goes to Milan-San Remo
Espresso_cup_small
VeloNews Reports David Clinger Positive, 2009 Road Nationals
Killer-whale_small
Cycling at The Greenbriar in WV
Hope_small
The Kornheiser Debate
Superted_small
Predict the Rabobank team lineup
Fausto_coppi_small
The Boss vs El Pisterolo

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Our Sponsors!

FanShots

Quick hits of video, photos, quotes, chats, links and lists that you find around the web.

Recent FanShots

Vuelta a Catalunya provisional rosters
clearchannel bans cycling talk on its stations
Support the Tour of Missouri
Armstrong to miss MSR.
PHIL WOOD, RIP
Aww, no Ricco at the Giro
Preview the beauty of La Primavera
Badger, Badger, Badger - Bernard Hinault version
The return of The Cobra - Riccò's back tomorrow
versus back on direcTV

+ New FanShot All FanShots >

SBNation.com Recent Stories

via pub.tv2.no

Floyd Landis, Computer Hacker? French Judge Issues International Warrant For Cyclist

cadel evans wins world championship

Cadel Evans Wins World Road Race Championships

valverde victory +12 updates

Alejandro Valverde Wins the Vuelta a Espana, His First Grand Tour Victory

More from SBNation.com >


Managers

Hope_small Chris...

Espresso_cup_small gavia