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Milram: Biodegradable Bottles!

While Milram may not lead the way in much of anything on the road, their announcement today is something of a watershed moment: they are switching to biodegradable bottles for 2010. Let's face it, you and I may ride bikes in part to reduce stress on the environment, but pro cycling isn't exactly a green movement. There are far, far worse sports, but cycling does its best to consume (and trash) a chunk of the world's supply of rubber, steel, aluminum, carbon fiber and plastic. So it's nice to see Milram looking into ways to alleviate the issue. Most of these materials can be recycled, but plastic tends to make its way to a landfill eventually. Biodegradable plastic... I dunno, whenever I make assumptions in this space, one of you counters with actual information (like, replacing petrochemicals with corn products will cause world hunger), but my initial read is that it has to be better than the usual bidons these guys spread all over Europe. And it's more effective than Bruyneel adding some green piping to the Disco kit.

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I want to see Milram selling their milk in biodegradable bottles.

It sure would encourage people to use it up before the expiration date.

It was just a long race--Edvald Boasson Hagen, on the Giro

by majope on Dec 7, 2009 3:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Omega Lotto

can have biodegradable kits – that would solve the white shorts problem.

I mean uh... hasn't that ever occurred to you, man? Sir?

by Drew... on Dec 7, 2009 3:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

how fast do they biodegrade?

sounds like an easy excuse to pollute ….

Moo

by Willj on Dec 7, 2009 4:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

They hint

at two years, so Jens is about right.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 7, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe there's a joke about ruminants here

Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.

by TheFigurehead on Dec 7, 2009 5:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Only if you think about it …

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Dec 8, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you just milking this topic for laughs?

by Drongo on Dec 9, 2009 7:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's the cream of the comments so far.

It was just a long race--Edvald Boasson Hagen, on the Giro

by majope on Dec 9, 2009 8:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're all speaking udder nonsense..

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Dec 9, 2009 8:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You’re only saying that because you haven’t rumninated on it long enough.

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Dec 9, 2009 8:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm trying not to be so cheesy

but I see I’m ploughing a lonely furrow

by Drongo on Dec 9, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't have a cow man. I mean cheez whiz.

You’re whey off base. But maybe that’s not feta you- Gouda ewe to have a go mate. Yogurt your loins and you’ll have a long shelf life.

by LurkerMcLurkerson on Dec 10, 2009 8:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BRILJANT!

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Dec 10, 2009 8:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yogurt your loins?

is that an aussie thing?

by yeehoo on Dec 10, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

'our home is girt by sea'... national anthem ;)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Dec 10, 2009 9:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was actually thinking of

‘gird your loins’, which for englutchians and other foreigners means ‘get ready for action’. It literally means put on a belt- you can’t have action if your pants are falling down. (The Memphis Trouser Affair involving a former Aussie Prime Minister is testament to that).

But girt is also a fantastic word. And one which every schoolchild in Australia knows. I wish Waltzing Matilda had won the referendum for our anthem though- it would have been nice to have a song about a sheep-thief who offs himself as our national song of pride, rather than a stuffy wannabe british dirge.

Plus, the second verse “for those who’ve come across the sea, we’ve boundless plains to share” doesn’t really fit in with current government policy.

by LurkerMcLurkerson on Dec 10, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But the fact that a song about a sheep thief who offs himself

managed to be the second most popular choice of Australians in a National Vote on our Anthem nonetheless fills me with pride.

by LurkerMcLurkerson on Dec 10, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It beat God Save the Queen, thank god.

God Save Bradley Wiggins I could possibly get behind.

by LurkerMcLurkerson on Dec 10, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You gird if you have to

this guy’s not for girning

by Monty. on Dec 10, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"Girt" = past tense of "gird"

so same fantastic word. Girt by the sea = encircled by the sea; gird your loins = encircle them with a belt—or what used to be called a girdle.

It was just a long race--Edvald Boasson Hagen, on the Giro

by majope on Dec 10, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and is also the source of the word 'girth'

for the distance around your waist.

I do love the English language, even in its bastardised Australian form.

by Drongo on Dec 10, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Me too :)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Dec 11, 2009 7:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fancy that...

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Dec 10, 2009 11:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha! Don't you dare.

I suspect that this marker would have been surprised had you got less than a Band 6.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Dec 11, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

feta compli...

But I had a very good secondairy education. Public schools are the best barn none.

by LurkerMcLurkerson on Dec 12, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't agree more...

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Dec 14, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

how dairy you suggest such a thing

It seemed a genuine sentiment to me

by Drongo on Dec 10, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So when are you taking this double act on the road?

You could milk it for a few bucks.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Dec 10, 2009 11:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Come on, you pair

time to settle the beef, ’eh?

by Lou... on Dec 11, 2009 7:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey! I was trying to steer the conversation elsewhere

but I’ve been bull-dozed into the old discussion.

by Drongo on Dec 11, 2009 7:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't have a cow...

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Dec 11, 2009 7:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Might be time to drive a steak through this discussion.

It was just a long race--Edvald Boasson Hagen, on the Giro

by majope on Dec 11, 2009 7:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I think it was a joint effort

by Drongo on Dec 11, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Chapeau.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Dec 11, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no yoke

but we can cud it out if it’s pasture limit…

by LurkerMcLurkerson on Dec 12, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have no problem with Milram doing this. It seems sensible.
So it’s nice to see Milram looking into ways to alleviate the issue

But the problem is, it tells us exactly nothing about how environmentally friendly they are as a team overall. Milram has an incentive to appear green friendly. It has less of an incentive to actually be green friendly.

So we get nice press releases about minor things like drink bottles, but we don’t have a comprehensive picture of how they compare to other teams in terms of carbon emissions, use of scarce resources etc.

Partly that’s because that’s hard. You can require disclosure of certain financial figures, but it’s a lot harder to even measure, nevermind disclose, the way Milram, or any team, or business, or individual is hurting/protecting the environment. Even with something as simple as drink bottles, it takes time to research the environmental friendliness of different suppliers [are their claims genuine? are they greenwashers?] , and whether a more friendly supplier justifies a higher cost. Multiply that by all the different pieces of equipment, and different suppliers that Milram uses. Add to that finding a way to reliably measure their carbon emissions from cars/trucks/bus/plane travel. And all their other environmental impacts.

The environmental cost of everything we do is hidden in myriad ways, and I think it will take a while before we have reliable, cheap and easy to use ways of untangling those costs, so that bike teams and other businesses and ngo’s and governments will report on their environmental impact as standard practice. Until then, we will have PR and drink bottles.

I mean, obviously PR will always exist, and right now Milram and anybody else (including me) could do a better job of measuring and reporting and reducing their environmental impact. But I think we’re in a weird kind of limbo where everybody agrees that there’s a problem and we should do something about it, but there’s not much real urgency or accountability.

But yay biodegradable bottles. Moooo!

by LurkerMcLurkerson on Dec 9, 2009 3:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

But I think that was entirely too serious and long-winded for this blog. So...

You want a toe? I can get you a toe, believe me.

Hell, I can get you Drew’s toe by 3 o’clock this afternoon…with nail polish.

by LurkerMcLurkerson on Dec 9, 2009 3:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Shut the fuck up Donny Drew.

by LurkerMcLurkerson on Dec 9, 2009 3:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Waiiiiiiiiiiiiit a minute

I shave my legs.

I DO NOT paint my toe nails. That would be Chris (back in the day).

Aren't we forgeting the true meaning of Christmas? You know, the birth of Santa

by Drew... on Dec 9, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pictures, please.

It was just a long race--Edvald Boasson Hagen, on the Giro

by majope on Dec 9, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

too late

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 9, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I admit it

Ttricolore, if you’re wondering. Very classy. The odd Swiss cross too.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 10, 2009 1:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cycling isn't necessarily eco friendly

Given the pollution caused by the production of all the food pro cyclists eat.

Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.

by TheFigurehead on Dec 9, 2009 6:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well . . . cows ain't necessarily green . ..

see following story:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121173780

(or ridden by a feed lot . . .)

Still, despite the length of your post, you make some excellent points.

And it’s worth keeping in mind that pro cycling—from the diesel fuel that mechanics occasionally use to power wash frames to the enormous motorized circuses associated with the racing (and in some cases training-)—is not an environmentally-responsible activity.

by R Mc on Dec 9, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Though...

encoraging the world to ride their bikes more is a secondary benefit that, if taken seriously, would pretty much save the planet.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 9, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

true enough . . .

but just to be a little contrarian . . . (and this is sort of an honest question): how many folks do you know who think nothing of driving their bike to get to the local group ride—even if it’s less than 10 miles away?

by R Mc on Dec 9, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Right

the taken seriously part. Big if. But in this indirect way, cycling helps chip away at the problem a bit. Credit where credit is due, says I.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 10, 2009 1:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Happens all the time, and there is consistently cars with racks parked at the bottom of my local climb which is all of ten minutes by bike from town. okay, maybe 15 or 20. but still…

No way is bike racing environmentally reponsible. Bike riding is. Bike racing, no way.

by gavia on Dec 11, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I suspect

there’s a limit to how much greening the Milram folks want to get distracted by. Chasing PR (and good intentions) is an OK gig, but you have to take care of your core business first. The bottles was something they could outsource and do fine. Buying hybrids would be an additional show, assuming there’s nothing wrong with running a hybrid over cobbles for 7 hours. But after that, they can’t spend too much more time on this. They have races to finish 31st in.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 9, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Electric motor vehicles have progressed far enough now.

I think they should seriously look at electric, or at least hybrid vehicles for the DS and other support vehicles. There are also electric motorbikes coming out now with sufficient range. Think of the riders, too, who inhale all those exhaust fumes from the camera bike hovering in front of them, or the caravan as they pace through after a flat. Electric/hybrid vehicles would help them, and would help the environment, plus it would make a good statement to the world.

Biodegradable water bottles. Ptooi. That’s like putting a band-aid on broken collar bone.

by MaestroDon on Dec 9, 2009 10:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ever driven a Prius?

They move just fine. [But if you meant EVs, then I have no idea, you may be right.]

I don’t believe the UCI could mandate this, but if somehow it came together and the entire peloton was followed by an armada of vehicles with virtually no emissions, it would be a powerful statement.

"The only pain I got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is." Edvald Boasson Hagen

by Chris... on Dec 10, 2009 1:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes they could, they already do.

There is already requirments on the specification of the support vehicle that can be used by teams.
I believe right now it is mainly focused on dimensions though.

But it is totally within their authority to create requirments such as fuel efficiency.
It all comes down to ‘if’ they choose to; which will likely happen if the public asked them to.

by Ryan_Liles on Dec 14, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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