Final Road Notes
I hit my knee on the handlebars and can't take out the garbage.
Crashdan and Sui Juris are both fine men of culture, humor, taste, hygiene, and an abiding love of all god's creatures (with some exceptions for spiders). If you have the chance to catch a race with either, be not afraid. Let them drive too, especially if you are in a hurry.
Still, I don't understand why Sui Juris loves global warming...
Everyone from the Cafe was a pleasure to meet. Funny, if you think someone you talk to on a website seems very cool/fun/nice, they probably are.
One underrated aspect of cyclotourism is how hard it is to get everywhere, at least at the ToC. Now, maybe this was unique to the southerly stages, but each stage of the race covers a few hours' worth of driving, and that's before considering logistics (like road closures) and transfers. Speaking of transfers, I have an increased appreciation for the ink-stained wretches (proper journalists) who cover a race with, you know, responsibilities. It's a little difficult to imagine three weeks of chasing a race, constantly moving to catch glimpses and hoping to avoid the infinite potential for hitches. Bottom line: it was great fun for a few days, but considering in retrospect the 17 transfers in last year's Giro d'Italia, it's not the complaints that amaze me, it's the lack of violent outbreaks.
Speaking of proper journos, it's a pleasure to have a pro like Lyne posting here. Like I said, it's hard work what they do, much more than kicking back and writing a post. For more information about the journo's life, there's a really great excerpt from the Buzzati book which you can read here.
Solvang is kind of a silly place, but I can't imagine a much better course for the time trial. Just a nice mixture of climbs, flats, false flats, and a technical stretch heading home. It's generally pretty easy riding, which is about right for a chrono. But the run into Los Olivos, coming after five miles of mostly false flats into a headwind, was harder than it might look on TV. Anyway, this may not seem critically important, but the race has been settled by the end of the Solvang stage just about every year.
The rest of the Santa Ynez valley is just gorgeous. Cycling heaven. Very friendly, probably because there isn't much to be unhappy about.
There is so much positive about how the Tour of California conducts itself, a strange byproduct of which is that the race will probably face endless speculation about how to make it bigger. More mountains! Move it to April! None of this makes sense to me. I previously blogged about how the riders don't want the race to get any harder (if a small sample of questions can be believed). Personally I can't see the race happening in April, or whatever the alternative suggestions are; in the middle of the European season, it's not easy to just jump seven time zones for a week. Too much is asked of the riders already [insert anti-doping rant], and an April race simply can't expect the same collection of stars. More likely, you could tempt some of the climbers out, and the American teams will be here even if they run it in the week between Christmas and New Years. But I don't think it can have the same impact in April. Accept what the race is now, this is good enough.
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From afar it really looks like the fans race, a festival which is excellent
Judging by your reports and comments from riders you really shouldn’t underestimate that for most guys , this is really early. They cannot and don’t wan’t to do the crazy hard climbing-stages. So I think as you that they should build on what is already so great about the race and not try and make it into something it can never be.
Personally if I was a race director I would try to find a signature uphill finish. A Californian Mur de Huy , Cauberg,San Luca or Montelupone (not necessarily that crazy steep). That would add spice and make the Cali-trip worthwhile for another type of rider but not make the race more taxing.
What Jens is trying to say is
If the ToC can lure the Killer over with a stage end designed for him, Jens will come to America.
"I didn't look for him and I didn't see him. If you base your race on another rider, most of the time you lose."
Tom Boonen
What I'm saying is if they can lure The Killer
Chris will provide such extensive liveblogging that I won’t need to go to America.
There's always a reason for you to come to America,
but a bike race is a really good one.
"I didn't look for him and I didn't see him. If you base your race on another rider, most of the time you lose."
Tom Boonen
Until
the restraining order goes into effect.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 23, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Or, like a Mount Faron or Col d'Eze
Good point about a signature climb. They don’t have to be overly hard either to do the job. But it could use a climbing finish.
I agree, they should find a shorter tough climb to finish on top of
there probably shouldn’t be a finish on top of a mountain like Palomar until March, or maybe even May. But there is no reason for the ToC not to be able to find a mountain top finish. Look at the races who have had one so far this year…the Tour de San Luis had 2 4-6km mountain ascents to the line, the Tour de Med had Faron, and the Volta ao Algarve had the 2-3km very steep climb to the finish. The first big mountain top finish isn’t until P-N, and that’s how it probably should be, but there have been plenty of smaller mountain top finishes that have livened up races, and the ToC should search for one to put in.
"If you go (with a break), you can either win or not win. If you don't go for it, you definitely won't win."
~ Jens Voigt
Hincapie
I had a theory about the climbs being in the middle of the race to make it easier, but asked Hincapie only to be shot down. Climbing is climbing I suppose.
And I like the idea. The Giro often puts these climbs (Oropa, Montevergine, Montelupone) at the end of a flat stage, so it’s exciting without killing anyone.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 23, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Nah
Climbs in the middle almost make it harder. Because you have to get over the things, and still do all the hard riding that always comes at the finish. If the climb is the finish, the bunch can slack a bit in anticipation of it.
I do think the Tour of Cali could cut some of the incidental climbing in exchange for finding a finishing climb that would be more “signature.” This was a hard course this year – maybe a little too hard. I’d vote for backing it off a tad, myself.
Do you think
maybe having Mt Palomar that late in the race was a bit too much? Although I liked it, I was a trifle disappointed that the sprinters all headed for the tall timber that morning. I’ve got to think the only reason Cav even started the stage was because he was holding the points jersey.
I do like the idea of a mountaintop finish. It doesn’t have to be Angrilu or anything like that. I think even a Cat 2 would be sufficient to make it interesting.
Palomar
I’d be in favor of keeping Palomar – it got a good turn-out and climbs are good. But I would have takent out some of the early incidental climbing – maybe the Sierra stage, though damn that thingy was beautiful.
Totally agree that a climbing finish doesn’t have to be super killer to be good racing. Mont Faron isn’t that hard, though a climber usually wins on it. Chris’s ref to the Giro climbing finishes is a great model, I think.
Worlds-style circuit-race stages with short steep classics-type climbs
could hold some promise too, for future editions. Climbs like that are in every major city in California. Circuit races are spectator friendly like the tt’s, and offer many chances for attacks, tactics, true selection of a winner, without being too hard for this early in the year. Combine the circuit race cities with the TT cities and you have much cheaper logistics and a fan/media slam dunk. Riders would love it too because of easier transfers.
Palomar was great fun to watch but unless the finish is there it won’t have a dramatic effect on the race outcome, so it’s looking a little pointless to me. I think I’d rather see a San Diego or La Jolla circuit race, or Carlsbad, or Frisco, or Santa Barbara, 15k-20k loop with some good hard climbing. Keep the stage the same every year to build interest.
TDU got it mostly right with the Willunga stage where they did two loops of the hill.
Solvang TT course could even be used as a circuit race in addition to the tt. A little narrow, but so what? Maybe not difficult enough to make a clear selection though. But there are other roads around Solvang that could work as a good hard circuit.
Just thinking out loud while it’s all still fresh in the mind!
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by Rolls on Feb 23, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
oooh, i like how you think.
a circuit race would be super fun, if it were a long European style circuit with a climb.
There are so many CA cities
North and South, who have the terrain for it, and would likely welcome the economic boost from having the Tour there for a couple of days.
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by Rolls on Feb 23, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Um
can I answer offline?
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by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 23, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just impressed
That there is actually a place on the map called “Weed”. Heh!
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by Rolls on Feb 23, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Really? You didn't know that?
There is a great rest area up there off I-5 with a tremendous view of Shasta called the “California Department of Transportation Weed Safety Rest Area”
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Ha. Too funny!
Nope I had no idea. Then again I haven’t been up around Shasta very much. I usually go up around the Mt. Whitney area for camping and whatnot. Or Idaho!
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by Rolls on Feb 23, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Just South of Laguna Beach, SoCal
and a few miles inland. Originally from Virginia. Love the mountains and deserts too, camp a lot out there in the Mojave areas. Have not had as many chances to explore the NorCal Mtns.
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by Rolls on Feb 23, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Huh
you’re the reverse of me. I’m originally from Manhattan Beach, now live in Virginia…
Heh.
Eat some shrimp and grits for me will ya? Or crab and grits, or….anything and grits. People make fun of ’em but they are healthy and take on flavors just like polenta does! Mmmm.
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by Rolls on Feb 23, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Nope, no butter in mine...
Beef stock or chicken stock. Or lamb…mmm. Baaaaa.
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by Rolls on Feb 23, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Next time I'm hunting for hikes, I'll make sure to get ahold of ya...
… provided you always bring keychains to commemorate the occasion of course.
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Absolutely!
Hell, I’ll bring the secret primitive backcountry metalsmithing kit with minitorch, and we can cast some pewter stuff right in the ground /sand around the campfire. Whiskey makes it even funner.
Next year ToC I already decided I’m makin some stuff with \o/ on it, if’n it so pleases the boss of course.
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by Rolls on Feb 23, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Glad you liked it
My pleasure. We’ll meet next year and thanks for the Palomar updates.
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by Rolls on Feb 23, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Heh... used to do tin casting myself...
… had a booth at the Rennaissance Faire many, many years ago (I’m not proud to say) making pendants and chess sets.
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No surprise that I used to moonlight as...
“Dan Tinsmith” instead of “Crashdan”? Interesting times those were… one day I’ll tell you of the time I dropped too much borax into the tin at the end of one day and had a bubble of molten metal burst in my face.
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Indeed
it pleases.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 23, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Woohoo
Got the blessing from theman!
Crash hit me up via email, added it to my profile.
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by Rolls on Feb 23, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Hm....
I guess Lombard street in San Francisco might be a bit too narrow?
Nah
it’s not like the pack will be four abreast.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 23, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
The cobbled hills of the classics are narrow too
so why not? As long as the rest of the circuit is wide enough, I think that’d be ok, and maybe even help with the selection of a winner.
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by Rolls on Feb 23, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Lombard street probably would do that
it’s even got switchbacks…
I think you're spot on Rolls
Have a Worlds like circuit that is 20km with a mediocre bump in the middle to soften the legs and a shortish, steep ramp at the end. Send them around seven times, and you got yourself a race. Have two of these “classic style” circuits and get rid of some of the big mountains in the middle of the race.
Why have a shortish steep ramp at the end...
… we need gigantic BMX Whoopdeedoos at the end if you wanna sell this shit in the US. I wanna see Hushovd doing a superman off the back end of his Cervelo!
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Hm
fell asleep watching Versus again?
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by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 23, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
CrashDan, that would then be Cross and not Road racing.

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
Nope... I'm pretty sure I wanna see them doing the whoops over paved surfaces...
… and full extension Thor… do you hear me… full extension over the rear wheel.
Boonen's a shark... choking on Livestrong chalk and FAIL. Go Cav!
Still Cross.... :-P
I can’t get this to pull up here. But go take a look. I am pretty sure this is the kind of look you’re going for. And yes this is clean, I would not trick you into a nasty pic. My friend Soupy took this earlier this year at a Cross race. Still one of my favorites.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
I take it back... I was wrong...
… no whoopdeedoos on the road race…
There should be a mofo Halfpipe competition instead.
Boonen's a shark... choking on Livestrong chalk and FAIL. Go Cav!
I like it!
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by Rolls on Feb 23, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
So basically...
Have Philly on the West Coast sometime in February?
you talked to george?
(everyone else seems to be missing that – the most important detail – in their comments above!)
Seriously. Chris, I know I mentioned this in my VDS entry email to you, but
you actually talked to Boonen? Spoke to Hincapie? Yikes, I would have been a mess: my heart would be pumping wildly, my hands would be all sweaty, and forget about the ability to speak english!!! I want to hear more about those moments, please.
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George
wasn’t as interested in a conversation. Might be his nature, or he’s been under seige all week. But he was polite, and Boonen more so.
And yeah, I was too excited to remember “eikenmolen.” Sounds forgivable until you remember how obsessed with the Tour of Flanders I am.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 23, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
how about a signature time trial ... over the Golden gate.
it would require only 5 second start intervals so they could quickly reopen the road ….. could be fun! ;)
The race sees like it was such a massive success.
formerly known as cyclingchallenge
And thanks for sharing the fun you had with us.
As far as ‘Improving’ the race…you suffer from the same problem as the TDU, i.e wrong time, wrong place….so Improvement has no scope if you are to please the financial and organisational requirements of the circus as well. At least the TDU with all of it’s starts and finishes all within a two hour ride from the metropolis of Adelaide is easy for a cycling fan to plan their week of enjoyment without the hassle of transfers. It truly is a race for a riding cycling fan to follow whereas it seems that TOC needs a good deal of planning and petrol/gas usage to follow. Each race is unique and to try and appease the needs of all fans and participants is impossible…focus on the good, use it as a Government Tourism ad…I saw snow, snakes and vines all on one stage… unique.
I think I’ll be there to join you next year.
errrr....am i supposed to sign this??
One plus
Guys like Boonen said they come because there is no other race going on, and they want to race. You get the sense they’d come whether it was the Tour of Stockton, California for seven days, or its current incarnation. It’s a captive audience.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 23, 2009 9:08 AM EST reply actions
Yup - riders gotta race to get sharp.
To them it’s almost irrelevant where it happens, but if it can be in a good area with nice lodgings that’s always a plus.
So, just between you and me, Boonen is even cooler than he looks, right?
"I didn't look for him and I didn't see him. If you base your race on another rider, most of the time you lose."
Tom Boonen
Absolutely. Right up there with Jens!
"I didn't look for him and I didn't see him. If you base your race on another rider, most of the time you lose."
Tom Boonen
Totally
Very nice guy. Seems to even like talking to people. Rather refreshing…
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by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 23, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
I guess he gets harrassed a lot more in Belgium
He’s like Belgiums laymen Lance. Why didn’t you win Tom?
So the US is relaxed for him.
Yeah
it occurred to me that an audience consisting largely of people trying to get a glimpse of Lance might present an unusual opportunity to talk to Tom Boonen.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 23, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
on that note about Boonen
interesting headline today at Sportwereld, “’Tom Boonen? Is he also a rider?” – from what I can figure out (courtesy of Google translator), it would seem one of the Belgian reporters asked various Americans whether they knew of Boonen, commenting that in America there are the cycling diehards or the cycling illiterate…
I'd like to argue with that
Really, I would….
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by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 24, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
So would I...
but they have a point. Outside of the few cycling fans I know, it appears to me that most people’s knowledge of cycling begins and ends with LA. Maybe a third can recall Landis. And that’s that. If you asked who, say, Valverde is, they’d probably be more likely to think he’s a famous bullfighter or a soccer start than they would to realize that he’s a cyclist. Heck, I’m not sure many could even tell you who Lemond was.
sad but true...
It defies imagination that the entire scope of pro cycling in most US households revolved around one person and one race in July.
I can already hear the questioning, Is LANCE winning, why isn’t he in front….
It’s enough to cause one to spill ones beer… really. And we know that’s a sin.
by Christopher See on Feb 24, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
but, well, yeah.
And then they wonder why those of us who know the sport are sometimes of two minds about Lance…
Either keep it the way it is...
… or scrap the Vuelta and replace it with a REAL tour of California in the depths of Summer. Open the entire state up to racing from the Coastal Redwoods up in the north west to a time trial course along the banks of Lake Tahoe, a rolling couple of stages from Fort Ross on down, a real summit finish up the General’s Highway into Sequoia… a transition course from Santa Barbara down to the Pier in Santa Monica entirely along the coast (fuck Malibu’s traffic) with the next day’s stage getting its kicks on Route 66 through Los Angeles and out to the Inland Empire. A mountain stage up into the San Gabriel’s to Mount San Jacinto or San Gorgonio…
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Hey now
If we’re moving to summer and scrapping the Vuelta, then we have to talk about a West Coast tour, with Bend and Seattle and maybe a Washington Pass finish…
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by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 23, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Heretic
See if I pass on the secret motorcycle byways of Washington State now…
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by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 23, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Washington, New Mexico and Colorado...
The only western states I haven’t ridden through yet… why the fuck couldn’t I pick three contiguous ones…
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And yet
You’ve been to Idaho. Why?
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by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 23, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Because Idaho exists between Oregon and Wyoming...
… and the bike doesn’t have wings. Oh … and it has parts of the Snake River.
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Damn. That's a sweet picture right there.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
Cascades is some *big nasty* mountains...
…is for sure.
I like it
but the idea of scrapping the Vuelta is a bit, well, um, hrm….
but that race would be sweet.
Vuelta
Yeah, na ga happen. But IMHO the Vuelta detracts from the Spanish regional tours, which have their own prominence. The Tour and the Giro have always been THE races; not so much the Vuelta. So, scrapping the Vuelta is not preposterous conceptually.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 23, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Need a city with a mountain
The problem with mtn top finishes for ToC is the absence of a city that is willing to put anything into sponsoring one. It’s strictly a commercial decision. As much as AEG might like one, it doesn’t work financially. That’s why the original talk of Palomar being a MTF faded and we ended in Escondido.
If I were picking one, I might try to have a generally South to North tour, and have a final climb on sunday that went by the Ferry Terminal, straight up Market Street, 17th, ending on the top of Twin Peaks. It’s “only” 900 ft, but it’s brutal, about 10% average for the last 1.5 mi.. But it’s probably too expensive to organize, hence no SF start/finishes the last two years, and the demise of the SF Grand Prix.
TBV
http://trustbut.blogspot.com for Landis news, research, and comment.
LA has mountains
I wonder if a ride up, say, Laurel Canyon to Mulholland would cause a sorting out.
But if I understand your point, it sounds like you’d need a city that’s willing to front money (evidently Pasadena is but LA isn’t).
do you know
of anyone who has put together a list of the public investments in the ToC? Just curious, on my end.
twin peaks finish would be awesome
But I can’t see them being able to pull that off. It would have to generate a lot of $ to shut down Market St. (or to get a permit to legally close Market St)
wish I could have done more but...
some in the can (or recorder) for the next weeks tho …
still uploading pics too, but first a glass of wine.
oh and my beautiful purple shiner is now an ugly black/yellowish thing, so sad. Still working on a cool. story before I show up for ‘my other job’ tomorrow
I like the Bob Roll story.
Would they get it though?
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
It should involve a rampaging horde of anarchists bent on destroying all that's holy...
… you know… Michael Ball.
Boonen's a shark... choking on Livestrong chalk and FAIL. Go Cav!
Yes Jimbo... confirm for us...
… that you touched Ball Hair.
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If he did.
I’m going to be bummed that he didn’t twitter about it.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
*chuckles*
So sad it turned yellow.
So many stories, so little time. lol, I finally got some pics posted. Gav = slacker.
Mmmm, wine.
how is that eye chica?
you need to update me on the sunday hapenings!! i still have not finished my kim kirchen story….oops. i was so tired when i came home…..just wanted to do laundry and relax.
well the coloring around the eye turned to black and yellow and is slowly fading
my first black eye is disappearing along with the memories of Sunday evening
I think I read that in a book or cycling rules or something.
Really, she must share.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
I'll try and remember that the next I hit the ice cream ....
so I’m feeling the post-race doldrums this morning… reviewing in my head all my mistakes, disapoointed that I didn’t do more, write more, found better spots for photos….
sigh
There's only so much one person can do!
Big race to cover on your own. LOL, there’s a reason that traditional media divides the photo and writing jobs too. That’s a lot to do at once.
Nice job out there!
that's why I leave the writing to you G
I’ll shoot em you have to talk about em.
by Christopher See on Feb 24, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Heh.
Sounds familiar.
(Which is part of why I decided that it would just be best for me to not even try, at ToC.)
But your pics were awesome.
Especially that one of Cav sprinting on the pavers, lighting was killer. That’s right up there with Cor Vos and Watson! Be happy!
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by Rolls on Feb 24, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
seriously lyne....that was a huge surprise...but a nice one!
we need to get those pics from ronnie!!
he's got a new book out, he showed some of the pics - beautiful
but don’t know if it’s available here
mmm, tastey
He’s really creative. I like that – some of the others seem to get a bit stale, sort of repeating the same shots a lot. Love his stuff.
Versus
has some good video interviews up including the Astana champagne fight , a Cav interview and more
http://www.versus.com/cyclysm
Hail Vesus!
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by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 23, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions

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