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First, read Chris' post right below mine. Done that? Follow along...

Can you feel it? The magic in the air? With the deadline for entering the VDS competition only four three days away, can't you feel the frantic last minute fretting in the air? The hand-wringing, the second guessing? Maybe you're one of those who can't decide between Fabian Cancellara and 25 maids a milking one pointers? If so you're not alone! You're in luck too! I'm here to help soothe your furrowed brows, your irritated bowels, your tension headaches, your wild mood swings. Below I'll lay out some basic rules of thumb to guide you closer to the team of your dreams.

Rule #1- Don't listen to what a team says. Almost everything a team says about their riders at this time of year is pure smoke that's meant to be blown up you know where. Ignore it. And when I say “team” I mean everyone associated with that team, especially the DS and the riders. Look, this is the time of the year when practically the whole season has yet to be ridden and everyone has hopes of doing better than ever.  In late winter the teams will spew the most outlandish predictions for their riders, all of whom make up the Best. Team. Ever. And now that the first races have been completed they'll say they lost because they are just training and/or the opposition killed them because those guys are peaking for this part of the year we we aren't. When you start reading such drivel its best to put down the computer and pour yourself a large beer. Seriously. It will be a much better use of your time.

Actually I will qualify this Ignore Rule by noting that if you read that a specific rider is racing a specific set of races, then bookmark it. But be careful! You will read things like, “Valverde is REALLY targeting the Tour this year” (ahem...), or Lance is racing practically every big race from now until the Tour without noting what exactly he's racing. Ignore those useless pieces of information. You need specifics, woman!

But what do you do if you can't rely on what the riders and DS's say? Several things:

Rule #2- Look at histories. The majority of riders, especially the more expensive ones, get into a groove. They ride the same set of races each year. This is important to note for several reasons. First, and most obvious, you can see how they did in several previous years and thus get a rough estimate on if they can get the same results this year, or was last year an aberration. For instance, Tom Boonen will race the same races this year as he has for most of the last several years. (Last year's cocaine bust being the exception.)

Riders like to repeat themselves if they feel they've been successful and if their DS likes how they race certain races. IMO they follow this rule too closely but what can you do. That fact brings up the next rule which is on the flip.

Star-divide

Rule #3- Because the season is so long, riders usually try to peak two or even three times.  As an aside, this is one of the things I like most about Pro Cycling. Most other sports have a season ending Championship, which means that during the regular season the plaers more or less coast. That's not the case with Cycling where the riders and their teams choose which races are the Big Races for that given rider.So all races have some riders (at least) who think of that races as the biggest race of the year. Cool.

The rest of the time they are either resting (not racing) or if they do race they aren't trying for results- which is for all intents and purposes for your VDS team like not racing. Why this is important is that it basically does away with the. “So-and-so is peaking now so we can discount his results” line. The poster boy example is of course Levi Leipheimer, the now three time winner of California. Now if you look at his history you will see that doing well in February does not affect the number of VDS points that he'll pick up later in the year. Why? Because he has two or three peak races that he targets. He's experienced enough to know how long he can peak and plan accordingly. Thus don't think his California win takes away from his point haul later in the summer.

Another, simpler example is LL “Lulu” Sanchez. Because he's a good but not great rider in the eyes of the Caisse d'Epargne management, he has one major season- now. He starts at the Tour Down Under, lays low for a bit, then gets another peak at Paris-Nice, finishing with the Criterium International. After C.I. he becomes a domestique and any points he gets are gravy. He'll ride the Tour for others and basically shut down for the year after that. Look him up and you'll see that pattern.

Of course there are complications to this rule and they happen a) when a rider changes teams, and b) when a new young rider breaks onto the scene. What do you do in those cases?

Rule #4- For transferring riders you look to see how they are handled by their new team now, in the preseason.
This rule is complicated and if you don't want to deal with the complications here, DON”T PICK ANY TRANSFERRED RIDERS! Seriously- you can make a great team without them. If you are one of those skip this section and move to rule #5...

Okay. You still here? Good. With most of these guys you can already see if they are being handled differently by their new team and that goes for the stars and the yanagans (domestiques). A simple example is Carlos Sastre. His M.O. Is to race only a few stage races a year, target two Grand Tour races leaving the other stage races to be strictly for training purposes (i.e. not VDS points).  So far that's exactly what we've seen from the guy, meaning that Cervelo is handling him just like CSC did. You can lay huge amounts of Elvisgoat's cash that Sastre will ride the Dauphine in June and suck at it because he'll be just riding for training purposes. So the main question of how many VDS points to expect out of him is to judge how good is his support from his new team as opposed to his old one. (Hint: he doesn't have the support that he got last year in the Tour but he does have the support that he got in the Vuelta. In other words he's mainly (but not completely) on his own.

Sticking with Cervelo, you will (or should) note how their sprinter teams have done this year, specifically at Qatar and California against top notch opposition. Do that and you'll eventually note (from looking at some of the individuals who make up the Cervelo sprinter teams, that practically all of them don't specialize so much in stage sprinting, but in cobbled Classics. At this point your eyebrow (either one, but only one, as you are pretending to be a Vulcan) should be raised. So you do more research not only on Hushovd but Hammond, Klier, Haussler, etc. Hmm. Interesting. This should be quite a good cobbles team.

What you are looking for is if the new team will be a better or worse fit for the transferred rider. You don't want to take Popovych when he transfers to *Lotto, but you would look more kindly on him now that he's transferring back (sort of) to Astana.

Very young riders present their own complications, which even more than transfers you need to make a conscious decision on weather to take to the time to find the diamonds in the rough. Most of you won't, and again that's okay. Just remember though if you are tempted to pick a young rider based on something a team member or DS said about them remember Rule #1: Don't be a sucker.

Rule #5, the Mr. Van P Memorial Rule- Don't load up on cobbles riders. The cobbles races are possibly THE most exciting races of the year. True. What's also true is that most of the cobbles riders do little the rest of the year, the main exceptions being the expensive ones, Boonen and Cancellara. Given that way more VDS points are awarded to non-cobbles races you need most of your riders to be competitive after mid-April. This doesn't mean you should shun Nuyens, Van Avermaet, Chavanel, \o/, etc. They give decent amounts of points. Just don't put all your eggs in that basket.

Rule #6- Otherwise don't worry about the type of rider you pick.  It's not true that you need a spread of sprinters, mountain goats, time trial specialists, hilly classic riders, and Grand Tour specialists. If your team bends toward one or two of these specializations, you will do fine, mainly because these different groups of riders overlap each other. In picking a rider you want to know one thing: the rider in question will deliver you points at a particular (set of) race(s). This is especially important with aging 8,6,4, and 2 point riders. Where are they gonna deliver for you? If they are a sprinter, which races will they pick up points? Considering a goat? Which mountains will they come through? I'll get more into that a bit later.

Rule #7- Make sure the rider's team is invited to races.  We'll call this the Killer Rule as Di Luca once again won't be riding in several races that he could win because his team isn't invited. Mostly we are talking about non-Pro Tour teams here. If you pick a non PT rider make sure he'll be riding in the races you think he'll score in. Definitely there are great non PT riders out there. Just be careful.

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Now I'm gonna change gears for the rest of this post and give a stock market evaluation of various riders to explain how some of these rules work. I'll list a couple riders and say, “buy”, “hold”, or “sell” depending on how I think they'll perform this year for VDS purposes and then explain my thinking. But before I start let me say how I'm evaluating them. Majope in her posts came upon a useful yardstick: If you hope to have one of the best VDS teams this year, meaning at least 10,000 VDS points earned, they will need to average at least 67 points earned for every, one of the 150 points you have to spend. Get it? 150 x 67 = 10,050 points. That's the rule I am looking for here: I want to think that all of my riders have a good chance to earn 67 points fer every point they cost. Thus if I want to pick Mark Cavendish, I want to feel reasonably good that he'll earn me at least 67 points x the 20 points that he costs or 1340 points. Are we clear? If not, please say so below in the comments and I'll clear things up for you. To me VDS is not so much a competition but a mutual appreciation exercise of the sport we have in common.  To the riders!

Mark Cavendish- Hold (1340 points)
Thor Hushovd- Hold (1072)
Tom Boonen-  Sell (1340)
Oscar Freire Hold (1206)
Daniele Bennati Buy (1206)


These are the elite sprinter types going today. They are also the most expensive sprinter types going today.

Cavendish- I have a Hold on him because while I do think he could make his target of 1340 points , he won;t greatly exceed it.  His problem is hills, so can he find enough courses where they aren't a factor? Let's look. Last year he scored 922 points so I start with that number and those races as given, and look to other races that he might score. The two most likely are a) Gent-Wevelegem with a winners purse of 250 points, and the Green Jersey competition at the Tour, worth 120 plus a few more days as the points leader at the Tour, say 60 points. That brings his total to 1352, just over his 20 point cost threshold of 1340.  He could do more but everything else is a little less likely: more stage wins in the Tour, a place in MSR, maybe a prologue win somewhere. Basically until he learns to negotiate hills better he's limited in the races he can score in- unlike all the other top sprinters.

First though he needs to master winning wide open Classics races. Winning a stage in a stage race is easier than winning a Classic like Gent-Wevelgem. Why? Because in a Classic all of the riders are geared towards winning that particular race (either by winning outright or by supporting a team member) while in a stage race at least half the field aren't interested in sprint finishes as they are more interested in the GC and/or KOM contests. Cavendish is still inexperienced in Classics racing. I'm sure he'll become great but he still has a learning curve. So, bottom line for Cav is that I think he'll meet his goal of 1340 points but not by much and so I have a Hold on him.

Hushovd and Freire also have Holds as I think they'll make their targets but not by much. Freire will heal up and in his own unique way will find points. I'm a little nervous because of his age though. I also wish he'd win a points jersey at the Vuelta but he says he'll chase another World Championship- which with that course he won't get. Tsk.

Hushovd I'm very tempted to put a buy on because I really like the support he has for the Classics races, particularly Paris-Roubaix. Right now he's my dark horse pick for that race and if he does pull that off- or MSR- he will easily go over his VDS target of 1072.

Benna? Besides being cute as the dickens, with his health issues behind him he'll be over 1300, easy, IMO. He's a big reason why I don't have Cavendish automatically winning more Tour stages.

That leaves big Tom Boonen. The Tornado is very predictable in his race schedule and unfortunately also predictable that his scoring will not go up from last year. To do better he'd have to really hit the Classics hard and he hasn't done that for what three years now. Oh I expect him to win a Monument, maybe two, but because he's no longer The Sprinter I don't favor him for the Tour green jersey, and so his score will get limited in sort of the opposite way Cavendish's score has a ceiling. He needs 1340 points to hit his target but I don't see it happening. He'll get over 1000, probably 1150-1200, but that doesn't make him cost effective.

I could be wrong: if he wins Het Bad News because he left California a day early to recover for jet lag than my assessment will be wrong because he's taking a more serious 'tude. Perhaps Cavendish beating him twice in California and two more times in Qatar has pissed him off and he goes back to the 2006 Boonen. But perhaps he left California because he just didn't feel like schlepping over Mt Palomar. We'll know in a week, but I'm predicting more complacency. Great guy, just not hungry.

Kim Kirchen- Sell (1206)
Mick Rogers- Buy (670)


Rarely do you see such symmetry. Columbia has three riders who are good for hilly classics and GC Grand Tours (sort of) and its these two guys plus Lovkvist. Rogers has been hurt the last couple of years but he's fine now. That alone should, based on his history, make him good for 670 points. But now with Kirchen hurt until probably after the Ardennes, Rogers is in even more demand by his team. Neither Rogers nor Lovkvist exactly replace Kirchen in the Columbia hilly Classic lineup but they will both have a shot now.

Kirchen. Its be interesting to see how Stapleton handles the injury. Last year Kirchen scored 510 or his 1257 points by the time the Ardennes ends. The question then is will the team basically move back Kirchen's schedule so its backloaded toward that late summer and fall? If they do Kirchen would see several races that he'd do well in: Lombardia, Worlds, Vuelta, San Sebastian. Somehow though I don't see the team changing his schedule too much though. He'll still be able to target the Tour. The Vuelta? Columbia didn't ride it last year so its unknown what resources they'll throw that way. Kirchen missed San Sebastian last year. So I'll leave it to you: he's still a Buy IF AND ONLY IF you think he'll ride competitively post Tour. (By “competitively” I mean no Tours of Missouri or Britain, where Columbia has interests. I mean San Sebastian, Vuelta, Worlds, Lombardia.) I don't think he'll do it.

Alejandro Valverde- Sell (1675)
Most of the rest of Caisse d'Epargne- Buy


I'm figuring he's gonna be suspended. If not he'd be a Buy. The guy's money.

I'm not gonna get into if he should be suspended here. I do want to get into what might happen to this team that's so focused towards its leader, without said leader. Its a fascinating scenario. The team has all sorts of hilly Classic and probably sub-Alpine riders who could blossom if they become protected riders. Take Joaquin Rodriguez. Please- take him. BUY BUY BUY!!!!!! He'd be their #1 rider in the Ardennes, the Giro, and the Vuelta. He should easily make his target of 1072, with a couple hundred to spare.

After J-Rod, it becomes interesting. Who gets the love in what races? Will the prodigy, Rigoberto “Big Rig” Uran get some serious support? How about oh Daniel Moreno, a 2 pointer who was 12th in last year's Vuelta? David Arroyo, who was 17th in the Vuelta? Jose Gutierrez? Lulu Sanchez? The new guy, Vasil Kiryienka? These guys all have quality but the dynamics of the team seem to have flattened their development at the expense of Valverde.


George Hincapie- Sell (536)
Levi Leipheimer- Buy (1206)


Big George and Little Levi are examples of Rule #6 in action. Both are aging riders so you need to know where they are gonna score for you.

With George the answer is muddy. He'll score, yes, but only a little here and there. The boat containing his chances at winning Flanders or Paris-Roubaix has long since sailed, his sprint isn't good enough against real sprinters, he isn't a true chronoman anymore, and he isn't the mountain goat that he was in his youth schlepping Lance around to another Tour win. Don't get me wrong. He is good at all those things, just not good enough that you can say he'll score big in some race. To me the last stage of California sums up George these days: a strong sprint to nab 3rd place over a non-sprinter. If this were a VDS race, he'd score 10 points for that effort and that's typical of George's performance these days. So if you pick George it's only because you love the guy ( a lot to love there) and not because he's gonna deliver VDS points. That's okay.

What's that? He'll win Paris-Roubaix? Fat chance. For most riders getting a flat or a mechanical is a random act of bad luck. But the number of times that's happened to George points to George being the problem somehow. Don't know what he does or how he does it but he breaks bikes way too often for it to be bad luck.

Levi is also tricky. Look at his record last year. He only won three stages that scored VDS points: the two TT's at the Vuelta and the prologue at the Dauphine. Yet he scored 1520 points. How? Because he was almost always in the running, the Giro being the exception. Levi is the classic example of good preparation for the season, meaning good training plus picking the right races. Since he's getting older you had to wonder if he was gonna slip in performance but I think his California win answered those questions, particularly the way he hit Bonny Doone Road. Going into this season you won't pick him to win any of the stage races he'll race but top fives in all of them is a pretty good bet. He'll meet his target of 1206 VDS points easy.

Greg Van Avermaet- Hold (938)
Thomas Lovkvist- Hold (938)
Bauke Mollema- Buy (268)
Stefano Garzelli- Buy (268)
Marzio Bruseghin- Sell (670)


The first three are young riders; the last two graybeards.

Take Van Avermaet and Lovkvist first. What's in their favor is their youth, meaning they should, all things equal,  perform better this year than last. But then you look at their schedules and you wonder where the extra VDS points will come from. For both riders it feels like even though they had breakthrough years last year, they still haven't broken through all the way. Its like they are in a chase group halfway between the break and the peloton. Yeah Van Avermaet won the points jersey at the Vuelta but he's no Cavendish in the sprints. What you hope for him is that he has the strength in the cobbles to move him up a notch, and my Hold on him says he can make a small step forward this year and meet his goal of 938 VDS points.

Lovkvist is more problematic because he got a bunch of points at Deutschland, which no longer exists (as a bike race). But I think he can do better at some of the other small stage races plus with Kirchen out he'll get more support over the next two months. So I say Hold.

Mollema this year will get into a lot more VDS races than last year and from the quality he showed at California he should score in several races. He also benefits from Thomas Dekker leaving the team. Bauke could be this year's Kreuziger or Gesink.

Garzelli? Small non-Pro Tour team hurt him last year, especially by being excluded from the Giro, but it doesn't look like it's hurting him this year. It looks like he'll get the races to score and score he will. Age could catch up to him but so far this season that doesn't look to be the case.

Bruseghin snuck into the lowest step of the Giro last year, a career highlight. He'll need to do that again if he hopes to score enough VDS points to justify buying him. Will he? Nah. He's a good rider, very strong and durable, but he reminds me of Hincapie: he'll be hanging around but he won't be the one to score big points.

So okay. That's all the time I have now. If you want in the comments ask about specific riders or rules and I (and no doubt others) will be more than happy to answer your questions.

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Great post.

I needed this two weeks ago!!!!!!

by Teel22 on Feb 23, 2009 1:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Oh, well.

I’m loaded up with transfers and guys talked up by their management, and still probably won’t make any more changes. Then again, my goal isn’t to win—just to beat ursula.

Google is my domestique.

by majope on Feb 23, 2009 1:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Your problem here:

If you aim for the stars you might land on the moon.

By aiming at a second storey window, like you do, you might land in the gutter.

by Jens on Feb 23, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ooohh

You cut me Jens. You cut me like a knife.

lol

Hey! What’s for dinner?

PS I’m aiming for 15000.

by ursula on Feb 23, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's a lofty goal, Mr. She-Bear.

If you make it, I’m toast. But the 10,500 I’m projecting for my team would have whupped you handily last year—and just edged out Jens as well, come to think of it.

Google is my domestique.

by majope on Feb 23, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha!

More likely I’ll score 1500 rather than 15000. But at least I have Belgium’s newest Climbing Sensation and Jens doesn’t.

by ursula on Feb 24, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

awesome

I agree with your sentiment that the VDS is more of a celebration than a competition. I don’t have the patience to sit down and weigh all the factors, but I absolutely love reading about how others view the value of riders.

by PopUp Rolen on Feb 23, 2009 1:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yes

and i’m celebrating early! i’ve got a few who i’d like to see do well and a few who ought to. i looked at records to fill in the rest until my short attention span kicked in (early), so some are simply on a whim and my expectations are accordingly modest. but i love reading other people’s breakdowns and this is a first-rate post, ursula!

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Feb 24, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, both of you

Thinking about all of this, ultimately probably all of our picks are based on whim.

by ursula on Feb 24, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who wrote that?

Doing taxes and PdC at the same time… not good.

Okay look at Garzelli last year. If you used the scoring system of this year you would get:

- 145 points from Murcia
- 10 points from Lazio
- 100 points from Sabatini
- 20 points from Emilia
- 150 points from Lombardia

Total points: 425. For a rider that costs 4 points, that’s not bad at all, as he made 106 points for every point he cost.

What about this year though? I figure that he’ll do roughly the same because its not like he got lucky in one race and score a bunch. He scored in every Italian fall race, plus he scored in a spring race in Spain. He scored in every VDS race he participated in and I don’t thinbk any other rider can lay that claim.

PLUS his team is invited to the Giro, MSR, and T-A this year. Lots of chances for points. In fact he’s one of the better buys out there.

by ursula on Feb 23, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But Garzelli has a walker!

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 23, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So I should put Barredo back on my team then?

Boonen's a shark... choking on Livestrong chalk and FAIL. Go Cav!

by crashdan on Feb 23, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But it has to stop eventually?

Like Rebbelin.. That guy is almost 40! (For a cyclist that’s old.. In real? ….. Also old)
So it’s a nice time to stop for them this year.. (Our can’t you pit a age on pure class?)

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 23, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

class can also be:

form
genus
order
sort
estate

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 23, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Some riders can still get results at an old age

and encase you didn’t notice, Rebellin just won 2 stages at the Vuelta Andalucia…the 2 toughest stages.

"If you go (with a break), you can either win or not win. If you don't go for it, you definitely won't win."
~ Jens Voigt

by Phil H. on Feb 23, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

encase= in case

eh…that was stupid

"If you go (with a break), you can either win or not win. If you don't go for it, you definitely won't win."
~ Jens Voigt

by Phil H. on Feb 23, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah he did really good..

And I knew it but not active… (Followed the course because of Posthuma) but if you can be that good still at that age, you rock.. It has to be much talent.. Very much..

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 23, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Riders age in dog years

The trouble is predicting when.

"I didn't look for him and I didn't see him. If you base your race on another rider, most of the time you lose."

Tom Boonen

by Drew... on Feb 24, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I finally decided

I’d rather finish last with guys I like than first with guys I don’t. Which means I’m throwing rule #5 right out the window. But it should be a fun spring.

by jsallee00 on Feb 23, 2009 1:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

+1

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Feb 24, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh shit!

I’ve just sent in my team, and all the guys I had last year but dropped are buys, and most of their replacements seem to be sells. At least I like most of them.

by Monty. on Feb 23, 2009 2:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ursula, you forgot to discuss Seeldrayers

I’ve heard he’s the climbing hope of Belgium, buy or sell?

by Jens on Feb 23, 2009 2:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hey!- I thought I was the acupuncturist. That's one big fat rusty needle you're poking me with.

Once we properly assess his point cost- it may take a year since he’s such a complicated case- you’ll be the first to know.

May a thousand Norwegians have dinner with you tonight.

by ursula on Feb 23, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Or at least

Bruce and 10 of his University friends

"I didn't look for him and I didn't see him. If you base your race on another rider, most of the time you lose."

Tom Boonen

by Drew... on Feb 24, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i choose

Xavier Tondo from Andalucia bbecause at least he will ride some Vuelta ao Pais Basco and i believe Vuelta too.

My expensive guys are Menchov, Gesink and Hushovd with 16!! Do you think is a good politique?

by semprenaroda on Feb 23, 2009 2:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

No..

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 23, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Say what you mean Frinking! Stop beating around the bush!

Sem- I like Menchov, Gesink, and Hushovd’s chances of rewarding you amply.

Tondo? Yeah he could give you some points as well. I think there’s several cheap Spanish and Portuguese riders that could deliver some points, especially with more Spanish races on tap this year.

by ursula on Feb 23, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"I think there’s several cheap Spanish"

yes it are, but the problem is guess if his team will be selected.

David Herrero is in mine too, and Sergio Paulinho and Rui Costa of course.
I know, Sergio probabily will have 0 points in the end, but he is portuguese…lol

by semprenaroda on Feb 23, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, Ok...

But their are far to many expensive riders how are gonna rule this year.. And with what I saw the point lost with the big riders, the lower riders can’t compensate that.. You don’t have to take a 25 pointer, most of them are doubtfull in their returning Valverde!, But also missing al the 20 and 18 points is giving you a huge disadvantage…

It’s ignoring the creme de la creme of the cycling… (btw.. Their are good cheap riders.. A lot of them but a Cunego is more worth than a Nuyens and Arversen combinded X2)

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 23, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ok Bert, you are going to ride the Vuelta....got that?

2 GT wins in the bag for me if he does, and P-N, Castilla Leon, Pais Vasco, and Dauphine. Yes, his dominance at the Volta ao Algarve has probably messed my thinking up, but who cares!

"If you go (with a break), you can either win or not win. If you don't go for it, you definitely won't win."
~ Jens Voigt

by Phil H. on Feb 23, 2009 3:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Bert

Yeah he’s the BIG reward rider if he does that. Who’s gonna stop him?

by ursula on Feb 23, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am confident no one will

I I think Bert will be better than ever this year and I think he will be racing to win in all those, except maybe the Dauphine. I also am very confident he will ride the Vuelta…and dominate Basso. Of course what I think and what will happen could be 2 totally different things.

"If you go (with a break), you can either win or not win. If you don't go for it, you definitely won't win."
~ Jens Voigt

by Phil H. on Feb 23, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"Who's gonna stop him?"

Um. CONI?

Google is my domestique.

by majope on Feb 23, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't think they have anything on him

don’t you think they would have made him testify if they had? They have a whole bunch of samples from the Giro, but they haven’t called him out like they have Valverde.

"If you go (with a break), you can either win or not win. If you don't go for it, you definitely won't win."
~ Jens Voigt

by Phil H. on Feb 23, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's a statement, madame..

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 23, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, the little mark at the end makes it a question.

The first reports on Valverde hinted that there might be more cases to follow—maybe there will be more, maybe there won’t. There have been claims linking Bert to Puerto before, so it’s not impossible that if CONI is determined to follow up on Puerto, more could come out about him.

Just saying there’s a certain amount of risk in picking any riders linked to Puerto.

Google is my domestique.

by majope on Feb 23, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're right.. Wasn't paying attention...

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 23, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But on a second thought...

Saying everything with a question mark is tabloid journalism..

Not that I doubt about your point btw..

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 23, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I thought last year

and instead they all cleaned up everywhere.

by Monty. on Feb 23, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And

two years ago I based my team around Basso. So who the hell knows?

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris... on Feb 23, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have no idea

I surely don’t know what the hell I’m doing.

by ursula on Feb 23, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rick Mahorn?

Old NBA reference. Big guy whose primary job was to beat up Michael Jordan.

by jsallee00 on Feb 23, 2009 3:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

edit

that should have been a reply to “Bert”

by jsallee00 on Feb 23, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nube question here

so if we sent the form do we get a return email confirming our list has been received? I just sent but I’m not sure if it went off properly.

"If you go (with a break), you can either win or not win. If you don't go for it, you definitely won't win."
~ Jens Voigt

by Phil H. on Feb 23, 2009 4:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Chris always write something back..

A quick little note so you have to get some confirmation eventually… But I don’t think he’s constantly pressing f5 in his inbox so I think you have to wait a day or 2..

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 23, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, thanks

I actually do think it sent properly but I’m just not positive. At least my list is ready and looking powerful…well to me at least…probably not that good actually.

"If you go (with a break), you can either win or not win. If you don't go for it, you definitely won't win."
~ Jens Voigt

by Phil H. on Feb 23, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

right now

I’ll enjoy being tied for first place. Come Monday, I’ll never be close again. But it will still be fun.

by jsallee00 on Feb 23, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You know a lot about cycle so it has to be good...

Maybe it’s just one course but you get your points eventually somewhere.. Maybe not a lot but you got them..

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 23, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but I'm hoping all the Germans I have on my team are succesful

although I only have 6, I have a good amount of Italians as well, and some young stars…Bruce will be happy to know I have Jussi on my team.

"If you go (with a break), you can either win or not win. If you don't go for it, you definitely won't win."
~ Jens Voigt

by Phil H. on Feb 23, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have at least 2!

No 3… Maybe 4 or more.. They are gonna rock and I’m gonna love them for the VDS standings

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 23, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So one Jan Ullrich

"If you go (with a break), you can either win or not win. If you don't go for it, you definitely won't win."
~ Jens Voigt

by Phil H. on Feb 23, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Surprisingly, I only have one

but he’s big. I hadn’t paid any attention to Nationality. Hmmm where’d all these Belgians come from?

by jsallee00 on Feb 23, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I had to go count

2 Germans. Also: 5 Belgians, 4 Dutch, 3 Australians, 2 each Canadians and Brits, 1 each from seven other assorted countries…or are Sweden, Norway, and Denmark all the same thing?

Google is my domestique.

by majope on Feb 23, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

my totals

4 Spaniards, 3 Belgians, 3 Aussies; 2 each US, Dutch, UK, Canada. 1 each of 7 others.

by jsallee00 on Feb 23, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't going to, but...

6 Frenchies, 5 Italians, 3 Spaniards, 2 each Belgium, Germany and the US, 5 other singletons. Already that so does not sound like a winning team.

by Monty. on Feb 23, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ooh this is fun, I'll give you my list

6 Germans, 4 Italians, 4 Spaniards, 2 Belgians, 2 Aussies, 1 Dane, 1 Norwegian, 1 Dutch, 1 Irishman, 1 Finn, 1 South African, and 1 American.

"If you go (with a break), you can either win or not win. If you don't go for it, you definitely won't win."
~ Jens Voigt

by Phil H. on Feb 23, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it will be fun to see all the teams

then all the subsequent breakdowns about most chosen rider, sprinter, 1 pointer, etc…

by jsallee00 on Feb 23, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Me too!

5 Spaniards, 1 Portuguese, 2 ’mericans, 5 Dutch boys, 2 Germans, 5 Italians including the next Bettini, 1 Columbian, 1 Hungarian, 1 normal Dane, 1 Ruskie, and 1 of those Belgian types.

Oh and 0 Swedes.

But I’ll probably change my team completely tonight.

by ursula on Feb 23, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wow...

9 Spaniards, 3 Italians, 2 Belgians, 2 dutch, 2 Americans, 2 Australians, a Canadian, a Russian, a German, a Luxembourger, and a frenchman.

im banking on spaniards not prosecuting their own for puerto

by d rod on Feb 23, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ok so it looks like,,,

Belgians – 4
Spaniards – 4
Scandinavians – 3
Italians – 3
Aussies – 3
Dutch – 1
Franks – 1
Norte Americanos – 1
Americanos del sur – 1
Austrians – 1
Russkies – 1

I think.. too lazy and too sick to google. Note to self, find the person who gave me this $&#@ and give it back…. IN SPADES!

by Fred Marx on Feb 24, 2009 12:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so

6 Dutch
5 Italien
4 Spanish
4 German
And now the obvious one:
1 Slovakia, 1 Belarus, 1 Danish, 1 French, 1 Colombian, 1 Kazach…
Hmm… My south-african pick would be nice among these all over the world riders..

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 24, 2009 2:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i realize now that i will miss in Giro some points

because i have only one italian…. Menchov will go to Giro?

German 4
Netherlands 4
Spanish 4
Russian 3
French 1
Belgian 2
Australian 2
eslovenian 1 (Spilak)
Italian 1
Norwegian 1
Portuguese 2

by semprenaroda on Feb 24, 2009 6:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't got a single Italian

Just watched Breaking Away again recently. Bastards.

Google is my domestique.

by majope on Feb 24, 2009 7:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

my italian

is Napolitano, so i hope for one or two podiuns in Giro, nothing more…

by semprenaroda on Feb 24, 2009 8:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey now...

He’s actually not Italian. Just plays one on the screen. Ha ha!!!

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Feb 24, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Refund?

Refund?

"I didn't look for him and I didn't see him. If you base your race on another rider, most of the time you lose."

Tom Boonen

by Drew... on Feb 24, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm another with too many Spaniards in the works...

7 Spanish
3 German
2 each of Belgium, France, Italy, Netherlands and Russia
and
1 each from Australia, Finland, UK, Slovenia, and Switzerland

Mark

by mpw5 on Feb 24, 2009 6:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Longest joke in history

6 Germans, 4 Italians, 4 Spaniards, 2 Belgians, 2 Aussies, 1 Dane, 1 Norwegian, 1 Dutch, 1 Irishman, 1 Finn, 1 South African, and 1 American walk into a bar………………………

by Jens on Feb 24, 2009 3:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You don't have both Jussi and Leenoos, do you?

Keep them separated on the team bus.

Google is my domestique.

by majope on Feb 23, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There is a reason Mr. T is my team security guard

I do have them both on my team, but I have 4 Milram riders compared to one FDJ, so Jussi will; need Mr. T’s help more than Leenoos.

"If you go (with a break), you can either win or not win. If you don't go for it, you definitely won't win."
~ Jens Voigt

by Phil H. on Feb 23, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe he is pressing z

like the rest of us and not getting anywhere.

by australopithecine on Feb 23, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Will do

this week. I haven’t read the submissions yet, thanks to the ToC trip.

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris... on Feb 23, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

1 point Rabos, any thoughts?

hi all, I’m a long time reader here, posting for the first time. Also, putting together a vds team for the first time (quite excited about it, too).

There appears to be a bunch of 1 point young & promising riders over at Rabo (Reus, Stamsnijder, Leezer, Boom). I know a thing or two about Reus, much less about the rest of them, so I’m wondering if anyone around here thinks any of them could have a breakout year in 2009.

(oh, and thanks to ursula for the helpful post, I feel a lot more confident about my lineup upon reading it)

by ton_oncle on Feb 23, 2009 6:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Welcome!

You can use the search function here. Let me recommend search terms like “coming” “Dutch” and “hegemony.” I think there’s a writeup on #s 2 and 4, plus comments.

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris... on Feb 23, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

It’s a great read, I have no idea how I missed it.

I’d really like Maaskant to do something in April – with Backstedt out of the picture he’ll surely have more support from the team. He didn’t make it to my team, though.

For some reason, I find it really hard to decide on my 1 point vds riders. I hardly have a clue where (if anywhere) to expect them to do well. Dutch prodigies just might be the right choice – no high expectations there, but it should be fun to watch them and root for them.

by ton_oncle on Feb 23, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Yeah those 1 pointers are pesky devils. I’m sure I would have submitted my lineup by now except I keep going back and forth on them. Several of those Dutch kids look fun. And there’s the next Bettini there too…

by ursula on Feb 23, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Backstedt retired didn't he?

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 24, 2009 2:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There are some people around here

who know lots about promising young 1-pointers but they tend to keep quiet until after they have wiped the floor with the rest of us.

Whereas my promising young 1-pointers tend to break out in races that count for zilch as far as VDS is concerned, then spend the rest of the year fetching bottles for a 100 miles or so before easing up to save something for the next race.

by Monty. on Feb 23, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have ten 1-pointers

The plan is that most of them will fetch bottles and maybe pick up a stray point here and there, while three of them have mild, 200-point success. One of them is from Rabo, but it would be downright silly of me to tell who.

Google is my domestique.

by majope on Feb 23, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep... nothing like having one of your 1-pointers...

… take the top spot at the Tour of East Jerkoff.

Boonen's a shark... choking on Livestrong chalk and FAIL. Go Cav!

by crashdan on Feb 23, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad you asked...

Torpid Jersey: Ludovic Turpin
KOOO (King of Olive Oil) Jersey: Dario Cioni
Also Ran Jersey: Daniele Nardello
Best Old Rider Jersey: Bert Roesems

And the Tour of East Jerkoff Hardest OMFG What The Hell Is Wrong With You, You Jackass Jersey, the covetted Maillot Vomit…

Alessandro %$(#@&*$#&!!!! Petacchi

Boonen's a shark... choking on Livestrong chalk and FAIL. Go Cav!

by crashdan on Feb 23, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ludovic Turpin?

I just had to check that he existed. 5 CQ points for his 67th position in the Tour of Catalunya and 5 for 104th place in Germany. My man Khalilov beat that even if he never got to start a VDS race.

by Monty. on Feb 23, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Monty...

… no… seriously… that wound I have … right here? It was, oh I don’t know, what’s the phrase I’m hunting for… lacking in salt… un-salty… insufficiently sodium chloride filled. So when you’re done twisting the knife, go ahead and rub a little bit of that Fleur de Sel in. It’s right next to the stove.

No that’s the sugar; the other one. The one in the glass container.

F***ing Petacchi.

Boonen's a shark... choking on Livestrong chalk and FAIL. Go Cav!

by crashdan on Feb 23, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Silly Dan

Don’t you know rule #1 is never put Petacchi on your VDS team when death is on the line?

"I didn't look for him and I didn't see him. If you base your race on another rider, most of the time you lose."

Tom Boonen

by Drew... on Feb 24, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And Reus, Stamsnijder, Leezer, Boom are nice riders...

But.. it’s too early for (most of) them.. Reus came back from a serius injury, Stamsnijders only rides if he see a cobblestone, Leezer is a D-sprinter, he did very well somewher (TDU?) as leading men but hey that is the TDU en Boom… 1 point.. That’s a joke :)

But.. it’s too early for (most of) them.. Reus came back from a serius injury, Stamsnijders only rides if he see a cobblestone, Leezer is a D-sprinter, he did very well somewher (TDU?) as leading men but hey that is the TDU en Boom… 1 point.. That’s a joke :)But their are really good 1 pointers how are Dutch.. I give a hint.. It begins with de and ends Kort… (Keep it quiet will you?)

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 24, 2009 2:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

De Kort

I was wondering why he left Astana. Probably he wanted to be around more Dutch riders, who could do northern Classics I’m guessing?

by ursula on Feb 24, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Shit Ursula!

Now that is what I call a BREAKDOWN.

This is why I don’t spend money on bike rags! The truth is out there and it ain’t in no magazine, Euro or not!

It’s “write” here on PdC!

Racing for Victory and Free Beer!

by DemonCats on Feb 23, 2009 7:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

+3

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Feb 24, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok so I'm a new to VDS

after the deadline Wednesday, will the teams be posted on PdC? Are the scores tracked through the website or do we keep track on our own terms?

by boxnard on Feb 23, 2009 8:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Teams will be posted in a spreadsheet on PdC... scores will be tracked through that spreadsheet as well...

… all you have to do is sit back and relax while you, most likely, annihilate my team all season. Welcome aboard!

Boonen's a shark... choking on Livestrong chalk and FAIL. Go Cav!

by crashdan on Feb 23, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh you'll dione fine this year, Dan!

Your picking of Valverde shows great insight!

by ursula on Feb 23, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't it!??!?!

I was so excited by it that I called CONI and said “Hey! Guess what I did today!” and they were all, like, “What DID you do today Crashdan” and I was all, like, “Dude… I picked Valverde as my 25 point stud” and they were, like, “Nooo duuuude… you SO didn’t wanna do that” and I was, like, “Why man, I mean, like why shouldn’t I pick Valverde, he’s like Sangria man… smooth but zesty… he’s like Tapas man… tasty and SPICY!” and Ettore’s back all up in my grill goin “Mofo don’t you know that the blood in Puerto is Valv.Piti’s” and then Mr. T shows up and he’s like “I piti the foo!” and I’m all backin’ up ‘cause I’m freaked that Mr. T is, like, showing up out of nowhere. Then, oh dude, you’ll never believe it, this guy shows up wearin’ this wicked flat hat that looks like a squid shit all over a NY style pizza and he’s all, like, “I’m a freakin’ Spanish Judge and guess what bitches, finders keepers losers weepers and you are loooo… hoosers ‘cause ain’t no blood like Spanish Puerto blood” and then he throws up his ‘hood and I’m, like, what the fuck dude, do you have six fingers on your hand?

Cause if you do, I, like, totally know someone who’s looking for you…

Boonen's a shark... choking on Livestrong chalk and FAIL. Go Cav!

by crashdan on Feb 23, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions   4 recs

I just spent the last 5 minutes reading that over and over to make sure I got

my laughs worth today. Priceless. Comment of the week? Anyone? I know it’s only Monday and all but my Monday is started at 12:00:01 has yet to end.

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Feb 23, 2009 11:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cause no one fucking told me that at some point in the last twenty years...

… the brakes also turned into the goddamn shift levers. Also, the throttle wasn’t working too well on Jimbo’s bike… I kept twisting the bar tape on the right side but it wouldn’t go any faster unless I pedaled harder.

Boonen's a shark... choking on Livestrong chalk and FAIL. Go Cav!

by crashdan on Feb 24, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you sure

you were facing the front of the vehicle Dan?

"I didn't look for him and I didn't see him. If you base your race on another rider, most of the time you lose."

Tom Boonen

by Drew... on Feb 24, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's see... horrific rigid foam thing threatening to anal probe me...

… odd non-pedal things about the size of half-dollar coins under my feet… weird curvy piece of what appears to be metal wrapped in thick electricians tape in front of me with… front AND rear brakes at my hands… no clutch… no rear brake pedal… feet not involved with gear shifting…

I think I got on it right…

Boonen's a shark... choking on Livestrong chalk and FAIL. Go Cav!

by crashdan on Feb 24, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're s'posed

to shave your legs first, THEN it’ll all make sense.
Go ’head, shave ’em. Trust me.

by itswells on Feb 24, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Always makes me feel sleek and fast, if only mentally. Though you definitely notice the cold more.

"I didn't look for him and I didn't see him. If you base your race on another rider, most of the time you lose."

Tom Boonen

by Drew... on Feb 24, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're a shark Drew... sleek and fast...

A Shark that’s choking on…

Boonen's a shark... choking on Livestrong chalk and FAIL. Go Cav!

by crashdan on Feb 24, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh don't even start talking that shit Dan,

I’ll shove that pistol up your ass and pull the trigger until it goes clickety-clickety-click.

Nobody fucks with The Jesus

"I didn't look for him and I didn't see him. If you base your race on another rider, most of the time you lose."

Tom Boonen

by Drew... on Feb 24, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Eight year olds Wellsie...

Boonen's a shark... choking on Livestrong chalk and FAIL. Go Cav!

by crashdan on Feb 24, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of...

after “why didn’t Lance win”? the second most popular question (from the non-cycling majority)is “why do you guys shave your legs?”

by itswells on Feb 24, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I usually tell people

it cuts down on wind drag. Then when they say “oh, that makes sense” I punch them in the forehead as hard as possible.

"I didn't look for him and I didn't see him. If you base your race on another rider, most of the time you lose."

Tom Boonen

by Drew... on Feb 24, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha Ha

I remember the first time I rode a bike with integrated shifters. It was borrowed and I got all the way up then actually had the bike upside down beside the road trying to work out how to get back to something where I could turn the wheels.

by Monty. on Feb 24, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wish I could a rec a post moren than once...

Else i would rec this post all day long…

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 24, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hm

I wonder what the lowest realistic total in VDS would be. I assume you couldn’t just pick 25 1-pointers (or can you?). Assuming you had to fill up 150 points somehow, some of those guys are going to get some points no matter how bad a season they have (assuming they don’t get injured). I wonder if it’s possible to get under, say, 1000 points with a 150-point roster. If it weren’t so close to the deadline I’d consider entering a second team to test that theory (I’ve entered a “real” team already; y’all can laugh and point at my naivete during the presentation later this week). Maybe next year.

by Le Comte on Feb 23, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're obliged

to spend 150 points on 25 riders. So it would definitely be quite a challenge. Freire and Kirchen should be in it I guess…

by Lopex on Feb 24, 2009 6:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Looked it up

Obliged to have 25 riders. Can spend up to 150 points. With 25 one-pointers scoring 0 points would be easy.

by Lopex on Feb 24, 2009 6:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

but putting Freire and Kirchen on it at this point would almost seem like cheating…

by Le Comte on Feb 24, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Last year

If ya did this exercise last year you could do this:

Vlad Karpets- 16- 0
Luca Mazzanti- 14-10
Soler- 12 – 2
Mancebo- 10-0
Brown-10-0
Danielson-10-0
Petrov-8-0
Tondo-8-0
Sevilla- 6-0
Vicioso- 4-0
Charteau-4-0
Champion-4-0
Cornu-4-0
Mazzoleni-4-0
Meersman-4-0
Boom-4-0
Ladagnous-4-0
Gatto-4-0
Hasselbacher-4-0
Rosseler-4-0
Schreck-4-0
Fernandez 2-0
Capelle-2-0
Roesems-2-0
Tankink-2-0

There. 150 points, 25 riders, 12 points earned.

by ursula on Feb 24, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Heh, cool

I especially like the last guy’s name. That would’ve described your VDS season if that was your team last year…

by Le Comte on Feb 24, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bram Tankink

not always the sharpest of tools as this video shows. I wish I had known that this time last year.

by Monty. on Feb 24, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LAst year I think Ursula went over all the levels..

So the 25 en 20 pointers
18 and 16’s and so on…

I loved it…… Ursula? :-)

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 24, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Yeah I started with Pettacchi on the team since he was such a bust earning only 105 points, and Vlad Gusev too as he earned only 60, but as you can see they were much too productive for the team I ended up with.

by ursula on Feb 24, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i can't find

Mauricio Soler in the excel?!!

by semprenaroda on Feb 24, 2009 6:42 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

ohhh

Juan!! i don’t knew :P

by semprenaroda on Feb 24, 2009 7:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

2 points

oh i miss them….grrrr

he will be perfect for my Giro points….

by semprenaroda on Feb 24, 2009 7:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol! control+f does most of the the trick ;)

And Soler for the Giro? Isn’t he targetting the Mountain Classifaction in the Tour?

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 24, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Information overload!!!!! Aaargh!

My brain doesn’t have time to process this!

by Albertina on Feb 24, 2009 7:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure there's a Rule #8

“Disregard all the other rules, use the hottitude-method.”

Bork, bork, bork!

by TheFigurehead on Feb 24, 2009 9:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I crunched numbers, analyzed past teams, ran stats on various riders

and still ended up with a quite fine-looking team. Bothered me briefly—how much might hottitude subconsciously be affecting my choices?—until I realized that it was almost inevitable. Cyclists are just hot.

Google is my domestique.

by majope on Feb 24, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol, so true!

I resisted Benna, but now I see he’s a buy in the above analysis…but what if he gets injured again? He’s so prone to it. Confusion reigns. I don’t really have that much hottitude in the team at all. And I haven’t really thought about it much either. No analysis for me….

by Albertina on Feb 24, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay how about team representation?

I haven’t yet-still!- sent in my team (later today) but here’s my team breakdown at the moment:

5 Rabobanks, 4 Astanii, 2 Caisse d’E’s, 2 Euskies, 2 Katushas, 2 Cervellos, 1 *Lotto, 1 Milram, 1 Aqua & Sapone, 1 Barloworld, 1 CSF, 1 Lamprey, 1 Diqui, 1 Vacansoleil,

by ursula on Feb 24, 2009 11:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

That are way too many Rabo's..

If you see the results of last year they didn’t win that much.. And as we noticed.. Their managing skills sucks… But up to you. At least I found someone with whom I can support them

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 24, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+ 1

Rabo 4, Milram 3, Cervelo 2, columbia 3, katusha 3, quickstep 2, caisse 2, astana 1, lampre 1, andalucia 1, xacobeo 1

by semprenaroda on Feb 24, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Milram

At one point I had three Milrams too but they got lost in the shuffle. Funny how neither of us have any Saxos. I’ve had up to 4 of them in earlier versions but they two got lost. I might try to get one back before I submit.

Katusha is such an interesting team VDS-wise.

by ursula on Feb 24, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i think i bet in many riders

who moved for a new team this season (cervelo, Katusha, Milram).
I have 62 points, and 11 riders in this situation!! Some i think will be good bets, but others like Karpets and Sylvain Chavanel i have some serious doubts. was choose mainly because i like they.

by semprenaroda on Feb 24, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hope

I think it’s tempting to hope that for riders on new teams (especially ones who have been underachieving recently) everything will suddenly click into place and they will reveal never before seen talents, or see an instant return to form

I’ve been suckered into it before in other fantasy sports, and it doesn’t often seem to work out like that…

I’ve still put a couple riders from Katusha and Cervelo on my team though.

Mark

by mpw5 on Feb 24, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My teams

6 Garmin, 4 Columbia , 4 Silence-Lotto, 2 Katusha, 2 Milram, 2 Saxo Bank, 1 Astana, 1 Caisse d’Epargne, 1 Cervelo, 1 Quick Step, 1 Rabobank

Google is my domestique.

by majope on Feb 24, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and mine

5 Garmin, 3 Cervelo, 3 Katusha, 3 Saxo Bank, 2 Columbia, 2 Astana, 2 Quick Step, 1 Rabo, 1 Eusky, 1 Caisse d’Epargne, 1 Barloworld, 1 FdJ.

by jsallee00 on Feb 24, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just wait

till you see Nikki’s team

by Monty. on Feb 24, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

She does know she can't pick the same rider twice right?

Boonen's a shark... choking on Livestrong chalk and FAIL. Go Cav!

by crashdan on Feb 24, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's in the rules?

Damn.

Google is my domestique.

by majope on Feb 24, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

I start catching up and I was going to try to defend myself. THEN I go look at my team make up: 6 Garmin, 4 Saxo, 4 Columbia, 3 Silence, 2 Leaky, and 1 each – Cd’E, QS, Cervelo, Bbox, AGR, and Rabo.

CrashDan, are you serious? I can’t have C, CVV, Christian, CVDV, CVelde, AND Christian VandeVelde on the same team? Crap. :-P

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Feb 25, 2009 9:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It would explain all the Garmin riders ;)

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 25, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

About my Rabos

They weight heavily toward the kids. Together all five coast… 23 points, including that 16 pointer, Gesink. I’ll probably drop one of the 1 point kids but they are just so yummy, like potato chips.

by ursula on Feb 24, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So Gesink, Langeveld, Boom, Weening (after his perfomance in the ToC) and... Kozontschuk..

Don’t get the 3 one-pointers but that’s my guess..

I have 5 of them.. Their are worth 27 points.. But I’m Dutch… Than it’s legal ;)

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 24, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm do the math right frinking..

It can also be 2×2 and 2×1

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 24, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I got Mollema

And since I posted I took two of my 1 point Rabos off. Since I have Dutch ancestry (in part- last name Van Meter) I figure I am allowed multiple Dutch riders too!

by ursula on Feb 24, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He lies!

His last name is actually Van SRAM Power Meter Pro

Boonen's a shark... choking on Livestrong chalk and FAIL. Go Cav!

by crashdan on Feb 24, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But it's pronounced

Ursula

"I didn't look for him and I didn't see him. If you base your race on another rider, most of the time you lose."

Tom Boonen

by Drew... on Feb 24, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I tried to have riders from as many teams as possible.

At one stage I had 21 teams represented. Not sure what the score will be after the last shuffle tonight/tomorrow/every single minute till the deadline…

by Lopex on Feb 24, 2009 2:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

23 now

And I hope this is my final version.
The constant neurotic thinking about and tinkering with it drives me insane.

by Lopex on Feb 24, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I managed to get a nice balanced spread

although I’m pretty sure that taking lots from the top teams will be a far better strategy. Three Garmin, 2 each from CdE, Colombia, Euskatel, FdJ, Lampre and Milram, 1 each from AG2R, Astana, BBweeg, Cervelo, Confidis, Flaminia (who I am hoping will actually get some invites this year), Leakygas, Quickstep, Serramenti ……., and Vacansoleil. Seventeen different teams riding together in harmony.

by Monty. on Feb 24, 2009 3:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

All I have to say is I am so happy I sent in my team before I read this.

I feel like a turd for removing Kirchen. He was my go-to-guy last year. He helped me win the TdF only VDS comp last year.

Where is my loyalty?

sigh.

by ZoeRochelle on Feb 24, 2009 4:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Is the Big Hinc on your team?

Boonen's a shark... choking on Livestrong chalk and FAIL. Go Cav!

by crashdan on Feb 24, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If she doesn't have him on her team.

It would be like me not having C on mine. Zoe? Please tell me you have our P-R winner.

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Feb 25, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I struggled - a lot.

I really wanted some of my favorites but didn’t want to give up a few others. We shall see.
Since he is on your team, I expect to see plenty of pic postings from you. Lyne has provided more ammo. :-)

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Feb 25, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My motto when picking a team "Kill your darlings"

Worked for me last year. This year I kept 9 riders from Born From Jets. 16 new names.

BTW living up to the motto was harder this year. You get attached.

by Jens on Feb 24, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They should do better than your other team

“Built by Saab”

"I didn't look for him and I didn't see him. If you base your race on another rider, most of the time you lose."

Tom Boonen

by Drew... on Feb 24, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's the same thing isn't it?

If i were to continue with last years team I would have to rename it: Born From Jets – Currently going through financial reconstruction in a desperate attempt at avoiding bancruptcy to a large part caused by their nimrod american owners ten year attempt at turning them into a more bland alternative to Opel

Catchy name huh?

by Jens on Feb 25, 2009 2:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I take offense to that...

at least you could capitalize “American” ;-)

by itswells on Feb 25, 2009 6:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I love VDS eve

I’m going to leave out milk and cookies for virtual Bjarne Riis

by Katiek on Feb 24, 2009 4:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Does Virtual Bjarne show up with his little knecht...

Pepsi Frank?

Boonen's a shark... choking on Livestrong chalk and FAIL. Go Cav!

by crashdan on Feb 24, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I never get past skunc, crack, pot , opium

My eyes tear up. It’s pretty well edited too, you feel like it’s Bjarne talking.
“My heart make explosschies…………….”

by Jens on Feb 24, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hello? My name is Sneaky Fox...

If you’re interested.

Boonen's a shark... choking on Livestrong chalk and FAIL. Go Cav!

by crashdan on Feb 24, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I saw that...

"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race

by ELVISGOAT on Feb 24, 2009 10:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I hit the send button

am instantly in mourning. i only like half my team. what was i thinking. wah.

Kirsten

by Kirsten on Feb 25, 2009 2:18 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah the send button...

 It let your team look like shit…

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 25, 2009 3:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't worry.

Cav can’t possibly do every race this year.

Google is my domestique.

by majope on Feb 25, 2009 7:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Man.

I should really not leave this so late. Because a world in which Oscar is not on my team, but that bald little nugget is? Can’t possibly make sense.

by Sui Juris on Feb 25, 2009 3:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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