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Operation Puerto: The Spanish Federation Will Pursue the Case

But only under pressure.

D_medium The Consejo Superior de Deportes (CSD) has ordered the Spanish Cycling Federation to pursue sanctions in relation to the Operation Puerto case. An arm of the Spanish government, the CSD issued the order on 12 February. Up until now, the Spanish Federation has made no move to act on the information from the two-year-old Puerto case, which allegedly involves up to 30 Spanish cyclists.

The Federation yesterday formally requested access to the Puerto evidence from Judge Antonio Serrano, who continues to preside over the controversial case. The request included the Guardia Civile report on the case, which identified a number of riders. This report is the oft-mentioned 1000 page report. The press has published portions of the report and the UCI reportedly received a copy, though the cycling union proved either unable or unwilling to act on its contents. Now, the Spanish Federation appears ready to do so.

Star-divide

But the report is not the only evidence available. The Federation will also receive the report from the Barcelona lab, who analyzed the seized blood bags from the case and found eight to contain the banned substance EPO. In a similar process to the Italian case currently pending against Valverde, the Federation will compare the DNA contained in the 90 Puerto blood bags with blood samples from suspected riders. According to today's reports, the blood samples for comparison will come from the UCI. Reportedly, there are also other documents and evidence in the case that will inform the Federation's investigation. Both riders and team officials may eventually receive sanctions in the case, though the Federation has not released any specific names for now.

In Italy, meanwhile, the case against Alejandro Valverde continues. Last Thursday, Valverde and his lawyer attended a preliminary hearing in Rome with CONI. Federico Cecconi, who is leading Valverde's defense in Italy, dismissed the meeting as a courtesy call and told the press that his client had nothing to do with the case. Cecconi admitted that Valverde was "not serene," but remained confident that he could prove his "extraneousness to the facts."

The lead investigator at CONI, Etorre Torri, told a different tale. "I can say with certainty that the blood in sack #18 is that of Valverde," he said after the hearing. Dismissing challenges to CONI's jurisdiction, Torri asserted that Valverde's case was no different than Basso's, and that CONI has sufficient evidence to sanction Valverde. Torri explained that Valverde has 15 days to submit a written defense. If he does not, CONI will suspend him for two years and request that WADA extend the sanction worldwide. For now, CONI has not scheduled any further hearings with the Spaniard.

It seems clear that CONI will proceed against other athletes in addition to Valverde. The Spanish press has speculated that Fränk Schleck could be the next cyclist to receive CONI's scrutiny. Torri confirmed that Italian investigators have 90 blood bags, not all of which belong to cyclists. He declined to name any additional cyclists or to respond to a question about retired footballer Pep Guardiola, who played for Barça and the Spanish National team. The DNA test results are under the custody of the Italian judicial system. Recent Italian legislature has cleared the way for evidence-sharing between the criminal and sports authorities in doping cases.

The Italians have also opened a preliminary criminal investigation against the Spanish rider. The District Attorney in Rome is assembling a case against Valverde for use of doping products. On Thursday, Valverde received a avviso di garanzia, which is a notification that the district attorney has begun a preliminary investigation against him. This step begins a criminal case in Italy. If the prosecutors decide sufficient evidence exists, they then lay formal charges. The notice is intended to allow the accused to prepare a legal defense, should the case progress further. Italian reporter Eugene Capodacqua explains that the criminal case against Valverde is the result of a "complex investigation" conducted by NAS, the Italian narcotics police, throughout Italy and Europe. If convicted Valverde risks up to two years in prison. Because Valverde competed in Italy during the period between 2004 and 2006 covered in the Puerto evidence, he could also face sporting fraud charges.

In the meantime, Alejandro Valverde spent the weekend racing in France at the Tour du Haut Var, where his Caisse d'Épargne team-mate Luis Leon Sanchez won Saturday's stage. Valverde finished 43rd in the final general classification.

The original report on the Spanish Federation's change of course is at as.com. A little more explanation at l'equipe.fr. On the Valverde case, tuttobiciweb.it, sportpro.it.

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I do hope

That the other sports get what is due to them if there is anything due at all. Did the CSD pressure the cycling fed because they were tired of being made to look like Assclowns?

by australopithecine on Feb 24, 2009 1:15 PM EST reply actions  

power of the purse

The Cycling Federations are considerably more reliant on government sources for funding than some of the more revenue-rich sports like football. I suspect that the purse-strings are the power that the CSD holds over the Spanish Federation. No confirmation in the articles about that, tho. The Federations reliance on government funding and the need for government support for races – ie, using roads and whatnot – is a big part of what leaves cycling vulnerable to pressures on doping issues. Cycling really can’t afford to ignore pressures from political authorities on this issue.

by Jen See on Feb 24, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

It is sad

That it took political pressure to get the cycling fed to do something.

by australopithecine on Feb 24, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Capodacqua mentions

one very big tennis player (Hmmm. Now who could he possible mean) and six footballers of whom four are star names. I wonder, too, who asked the question about Guardiola.

by Monty. on Feb 24, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

That sound you hear isn't rain drops...

… it’s the sound of Valverde being dumped from at least 35 VDS teams.

Boonen's a shark... choking on Livestrong chalk and FAIL. Go Cav!

by crashdan on Feb 24, 2009 1:27 PM EST reply actions  

But not yours.

I totally echo the first post – I’m so sick of cyclists being the only ones to take the fall or even be investigated. I’m betting Futbol is 10x as dirty, but they’re getting a free pass.

"I didn't look for him and I didn't see him. If you base your race on another rider, most of the time you lose."

Tom Boonen

by Drew Davis on Feb 24, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

(kicks dirt)

but I want a pony………..

"I didn't look for him and I didn't see him. If you base your race on another rider, most of the time you lose."

Tom Boonen

by Drew Davis on Feb 24, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

If they went after them

they would just open up another version of the “you nail Basso, we nail Valverde”-vendetta. And that vendetta would be on a whole other level. I think no one wants to open that can of worms.

by Jens on Feb 24, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

and that dull grinding sound

is the sound of hundreds of brains trying to figure out what other great VDS-bargains are going to get sucked down the Great Big Española Shithola.

by Jens on Feb 24, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

The only Spaniard I have on my team is

"I didn't look for him and I didn't see him. If you base your race on another rider, most of the time you lose."

Tom Boonen

by Drew Davis on Feb 24, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you like movies about gladiators?

Boonen's a shark... choking on Livestrong chalk and FAIL. Go Cav!

by crashdan on Feb 24, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

But who or how does the Gladiotor represent?

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 24, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Why yes... yes he is Jens...

(That is the handiwork of PopupRolen… not me… but I wish it was my handiwork)

Boonen's a shark... choking on Livestrong chalk and FAIL. Go Cav!

by crashdan on Feb 24, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Wonder how bad it could get for a certain accountant.

Boonen's a shark... choking on Livestrong chalk and FAIL. Go Cav!

by crashdan on Feb 24, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

AC?

As bad as it needs to! Maybe HWMNBN will win this year after all!

Racing for Victory and Free Beer!

by DemonCats on Feb 24, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I can see it now... Bruyneel and Armstrong call up CONI...

… hey… we’ve got this problem with too many chiefs and not enough indians…

Boonen's a shark... choking on Livestrong chalk and FAIL. Go Cav!

by crashdan on Feb 24, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure they are considering that option

Oh and Dan… the preferred nomenclature is “Native American”

The Dude will have a White Russian...

by Jimbo... on Feb 24, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

But for every turd that gets sucked down

another floats to the top. Who will CdE be riding for this year?

by Monty. on Feb 24, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

:)

I’ve been waiting for Balaverde to go DOWN for the last two years, that’s why he wasn’t on my team last year or this year!

Maybe I can put him on my team in two years!

Actually, I’ll wait and see what Basso does after two years!

Racing for Victory and Free Beer!

by DemonCats on Feb 24, 2009 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

Sooo. Nobody want to burn his hand on the Jaksche thing..

He stated that Riise knew about his doping use.. For what’s worth his word?

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 24, 2009 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

He already said that

when he first did the interview with Speigel(sp?).

by australopithecine on Feb 24, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno...

The real source is the Bild. Don’t know if their any knew facts but I saw it on a cycling’news’ site..

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 24, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Here

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 24, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's the link to cyclingnews from yesterday

if anybody missed it.

Jaksche rode for Riis and Team CSC in 2004. During this time, according to Bild, Riis decided who should take how much of what product, with Jaksche saying how he was helped to avoid a positive doping control.

Absolutely sucks if it’s true. For one thing, I believe Saxo is clean now. For another…2004? Overcoming. I’d have a hard time watching it again.

Google is my domestique.

by majope on Feb 24, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds a bit strange

Maybe it’s not difficult at all, and maybe it’s not that dangerous, but Riis making the decisions at that level?

Bork, bork, bork!

by TheFigurehead on Feb 24, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

cool, thanks for the bild linky

I looked on their site and totally failed to find that. Somehow, I missed that earlier today. Not awake or something.

by Jen See on Feb 24, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Bit of a mystery

The article was there in the sports section this morning (14 hours ago).Now I can’t find it either.

by Jens on Feb 24, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

huh

That is interesting. One wonders whose lawyers might have complained…

by Jen See on Feb 24, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you mean

the link that was hidden say six inches up this page.

by Monty. on Feb 24, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

:-D

And I can’t even claim drunkenness as an excuse. (I only saw the CN link.)

by Jens on Feb 24, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

NP.. No hard time finding it

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 24, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

He's been saying that since the start

It’s hard to know how reliable he is. However, the Frankfurt paper – heh, too lazy to drag the full German name out of my brain – reported that German authorities had Puerto evidence showing Riis present at a meeting with Fuentes. Basso and Schleck were also allegedly present. So, Jacksche isn’t the only one suggesting direct involvement by Riis.

I do think the CONI investigations may catch up a few CSC riders, which could prove awkwardo. Heh, that’s probably an understatement, actually.

by Jen See on Feb 24, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Bild has access to the full testimony of Bella Jorg

Serious crappage is going to come flying out of that. I doubt there are any new facts but it’s going to generate new stories.

And I have a feeling you and I have similar suspicions of who the other big name CONI were rumored to investigate is. If so that is not going to be fun.

by Jens on Feb 24, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, are they running articles on this?

I’ll have to head over and have a read.

If you’re thinking what I’m thinking, it’s going to be ugly days soon.

by Jen See on Feb 24, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I have also a couple of names in thoughts..

Won’t spill them but CSC, not sexybank, is high on the list…

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 24, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I usually pass on rumors, or try to,

until more details are out. But, “thoughts” on names you guys “think” could “maybe” be involved would be helpful the night before the VDS thingy is due. Like, sadly, that is my focus today with news as my head hurts to much to think much deeper at the moment and the work load on my desk right now is piled a tad but high.

Or, easier, maybe…. can someone post a list of riders that have some suspicions so I can check them against my team? If I re-read or think hard enough I know they’ve all been shared but like, it’s due tomorrow and this work thing is not playing nice today.

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Feb 24, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm.. I wont' to burn my fingers on this..

But a couple of obvious..
Valverde and Frank Schleck…
Cobo.. Can’t be sure about him.. He was on de SDV squad and is Spnaish.. Nevertheless I have him on my VDS.. It’s a bargain if they don’t caught him and I do on less obvious predicton, or I think I do…
Lulu ala Luis Leon… But they don’t get him for PN… Doubts :) But it will be unfair to link other riders.. Just reccomand to skip the TdF CSC squad.. But maybe I already said to much with that… We will see

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 24, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Google around, nikki.

Easy enough to find speculation. But in some cases you’ll find many candidates put forward for the same code names, and in others the suspicion seems to range from wishful thinking on one hand to hard evidence people have seen (or claim to have seen!) on the other—with everything in between. We still have to make up our own minds which potential VDS picks carry the most serious risk of getting nailed. And I think if you threw together a group of six PdC folk, you’d get 15 different opinions.

Google is my domestique.

by majope on Feb 24, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks guys.

I read everything we put up here at the Cafe and have for a long time. So I wasn’t asking who thinks who has done what. Just looking for a quick hit list to bounce my team off of anyone having been tossed in the ring. Most are obvious and I had them in mind already but I figured there were names I wasn’t remembering so that was more what I was after. I’m pretty sure I’m okay as I chose guys I’ve had on my team last year or simply like and feel pretty good about.

Thanks Jens for that link again too. I remember looking at that before. Thanks!

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Feb 24, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

This is one cat that is best left in the bag

But if it’s Puerto guys you are worried about, this is the best list I have seen. Pretty depressing thread it’s in by the way but KD Teammate is pretty well read up on Puerto.

by Jens on Feb 24, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

No the names how are no langer accused...

Their are many links on some on some of them but it’s hard to give evidence on some of them..
AC liberty seguros is the obvioust one

Some say the best things in life, are one the inside.

by Frinking on Feb 24, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Total crap shoot

You can go back to the original reporting on Puerto and avoid anyone named in the case if you want to be absolutely sure. You can also as someone suggested elsewhere avoid last year’s Saxo Bank Tour team since five riders were subject to extra testing by CONI.

But for now, there is no confirmation of which riders will be named by either CONI or the Spanish Federation.

by Jen See on Feb 24, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you, CONI and Ettore Torri!

It seems likely that your taking the initiative has embarrassed the Spanish authorities into finally doing something about Puerto. After all, if they’re going to lose Valverde anyway, they may as well save a little face by taking him down themselves rather than watching while the Italians do it.

It will be interesting to see if the ripple effects of CONI’s actions extend beyond Spain. To be fair to the Spanish fed, it’s not the only cycling federation that has sat on its hands when it comes to OP. The Portugese federation “cleared” Sergio Paulinho before the ink was even dry on Fuentes’s arrest report, and the Australian fed “cleared” Allan Davis about five minutes after that. USADA doesn’t appear to have lifted a finger to address the highly incriminating evidence against Tyler Hamilton found in Fuentes’s files, and I seriously doubt the Luxembourg fed requested DNA test results from Spain when they were “investigating” Frank Schleck.

Frank Schleck and the Luxembourg fed may be the next to go, if the rumors are correct, but what about the others? Hamilton will never race in Europe again, so he’s probably safe, but will we see Allan Davis at Milan-San Remo? Paulinho at the Giro? I wonder.

by Susie Hartigan on Feb 24, 2009 2:33 PM EST reply actions  

For the sake of the monetary expense

I hope the USADA just forgets about Tyler. He is not going to race in Europe again and is at the end of his career. I would rather see them put money into catching others.
I would like to see the other names you mentioned at least get a serious look into instead of the “clearing” they got initially.

by australopithecine on Feb 24, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

From what I remember, the Fuentes evidence covers the same timeframe he was already busted for.

I might be wrong, but I don’t think he can be suspended twice for the same doping.

Google is my domestique.

by majope on Feb 24, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

different years

Hamilton was caught doping at the Vuelta in 2004, and the evidence against him in Fuentes’s files is from 2003 (and possibly 2002?).

by Susie Hartigan on Feb 24, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

This is what I found:
Hamilton’s alleged collaboration began with Fuentes soon after he left the U.S. Postal Service cycling team to join CSC for the 2002-03 seasons and continued upon his arrival at Phonak in the 2004 season

--VeloNews

So: doping 2002-2004, caught 2004. I don’t think someone who was doping over a period of time would get multiple suspensions once they were busted—at least, I haven’t seen it work that way yet. Millar and Jaksche each got a single suspension for years of doping.

Google is my domestique.

by majope on Feb 24, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

One ban for each instance

Tyler fought the leaks during OP, because his ban was for one instance of homologous blood doping in the ’04 Vuelta. An ’03 case, or a different ’04 case would be an additional instance and a separate case.

Millar and Jaksche confessed, and their bans included their confessions.

by Softie on Feb 24, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Millar and Jaksche are not quite analogous to Hamilton

Millar and Jaksche got a single suspension covering years of doping because they played it smart and confessed to everything at one time. That ensured that their suspension would cover everything to which they had confessed. Hamilton didn’t confess, so his punishment covered only what was actually proven against him in the USADA proceedings.

To analogize to a criminal case, if a guy confesses to a conspiracy to commit bank robbery that covers a robbery in 2003 and one in 2004, and is convicted and sentenced for that conspiracy, he can’t be convicted again for the 2003 robbery. But if the guy is caught robbing the bank in 2004, and is convicted only of that robbery, and while he’s serving his sentence, evidence comes to light that he also robbed a bank in 2003, he can be prosecuted for the 2003 robbery, even if it was the same bank, same gun, same getaway car, etc.

by Susie Hartigan on Feb 24, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

What cases are analogous in cycling?

Not that I don’t believe you, I just want to follow up.

Google is my domestique.

by majope on Feb 24, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

beats me

but if you look at cases in which riders have been suspended twice, you might find an analogous case. The more common pattern would certainly be that a second suspension is for later doping, but that’s because riders are typically caught at or near the time they were actually doping. A case like Puerto in which riders are “prosecuted” based on evidence of something that happened in previous years is rare.

by Susie Hartigan on Feb 24, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Schleck?

Poor dude’s pretty much doomed, I think.

Interesting to see what the other federations do. I’m guessing USADA, not much. It would be spendy. But I do know from previous reporting that Hamilton could be suspended for Puerto as a second offense, if sufficient evidence existed and the USADA chose to pursue it.

by Jen See on Feb 24, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

The Elephant Accountant in the Room

Clearly Valv is gone from everyone’s team but does Bert’s OP risk preclude his inclusion? Thoughts? HELP I’m desperate here…

by samboo on Feb 24, 2009 2:49 PM EST reply actions  

I removed him

Not based solely on OP, but a combination of OP worries, Lance worries, team worries, etc. I think it may be enough to make the young man’s head wilt. I really like him as a rider, but I think he is due for an off year. Way too many things flying around in his head.

However, he just beat the snot out of everyone in the last race, and I would never bet against him, so strike everything I just said. That’s the pleasure and pain of VDS.

by PopUp Rolen on Feb 24, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

From what has been reported about Puerto

even from those most critical of AC it seems to be the general consensus that there is no gravely damaging evidence on him. He was simply too new, he was on Manolos Venga-team so it seems unlikely that he is a saint but he was probably not on the A-program (at least not yet at the time of OP). He was never linked to the bloodstorage. I think the initials AC were on one of the “training”-schedules but that schedule only indicated use of “light”-products. Correct me someone if I’m wrong.

In other words i think it’s unlikely he will be sanctioned as a result of OP but that doesn’t mean he won’t be made to sit out part of the season pending investigation.

by Jens on Feb 24, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

But...

…he’s the only GC rider that I actually like. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!

by samboo on Feb 24, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Then pick him, no one knows if this will lead to anything. Pick guys you like

It’s just the usual “start of the season distracting shit in the fan”.

This is all a crapshoot, no one knows what names they are going to pull out of a hat. If I were only to have names that I’m 100% sure of, I would have three guys. Tops.

by Jens on Feb 24, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Picking team “100% Guaranteed Clean” might have worked last year, when the VDS rules permitted you to name Bradley Wiggins, David Moncoutie, and 23 kids you knew in elementary school, but this year, since we have actually pick 25 active pro bike racers…

by Susie Hartigan on Feb 24, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Team Clean was not a winning proposition

I stayed away from some riders I really like last year because of OP, and my VDS performance suffered. If Valv.Piti does race, the one team that has him will clean up.

by Softie on Feb 24, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

But...

you’ll feel dirty in the morning!

Racing for Victory and Free Beer!

by DemonCats on Feb 24, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually it was

Bruno only had Kohl who got busted last year and he would have won even without the Kohl’s points.

by Jens on Feb 24, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

There might not be a blood bag, but there is supposedly documentary evidence.

“German doping expert” (in quotes because I don’t have a clue about his credentials) Werner Franke says

he has a detailed list of banned products used by Contador which appear in sworn statements following the raid on Fuentes’ medical practise. “He took insulin, HMG-Lepori, a hormone to stimulate the secretion of testosterone and also a product for asthma called TGN – in brief I have before my eyes a protocol for doping,” he said.

link

Google is my domestique.

by majope on Feb 24, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

so French...

…AC gets banned leaving Astana fully committed to leading Lance to #8 in July. The irony is straight out of a Jean Renoir movie.

by samboo on Feb 24, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

ASO didn't have anything against AC racing the Tour

last year, he was welcomed to race had he changed teams. Ironic isn’t it.

by Bruce Suomi on Feb 24, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Franke

Franke has been criticized by many in Germany as a zealot on doping issues and some claim that he makes exaggerated accusations. He says that he has seen the evidence from Puerto, but it’s not entirely clear how that came about.

Me, I think there’s Puerto evidence on Contador. But I don’t know whether his number will come up.

by Jen See on Feb 24, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Just 'cause I can't resist

How bout this for a conspiracy theory? Just to calm the nerves of those VDS’ers with Alberto on their team.

Suppose CONI put AC waaaayyy down on the list (as in “we’ll get to you in 2018”) because he is the current wearer of that beautiful pink garment that represents everything that is good and holy in Italian cycling?

by Jens on Feb 24, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm

That would work, except they took down Basso just after he won the Giro ;-)

by Jen See on Feb 24, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

But it was made very clear that he had not doped during the Giro

He was only planning to do it later in some smaller regional french race………………

by Jens on Feb 24, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

*chuckles*

Right, that makes all the difference ;-)

by Jen See on Feb 24, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

If the Spanish have something on him it's not blood bags

and I think that Fuentes’ computer has been locked away three or four circles deeper in hell.

by Monty. on Feb 24, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

Never been sure on that, myself…

Hmm, tend to think he’ll probably walk, though, in the end. Could be wrong.

by Jen See on Feb 24, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember reading something somewhere

(if you want proper attribution, like) that at that time he was undergoing some other long-standing medical treatment under a different doctor.

by Monty. on Feb 24, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

ah, vaguely remember that

But was never sure of the significance, in the sense that I wasn’t sure if it was true or a cover-up. His case was always so curious for me – “No, He’s not involved!”

We’ll see who the Spanish Federation goes after – assuming the government keeps the pressure on them to move forward.

by Jen See on Feb 24, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what I thought too

it all had the ring of “his mum says so”

by Monty. on Feb 24, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

but, but, but, Fuentes himself said he'd never heard of Contador!

And surely he wouldn’t lie. The man is a doctor! A healer, a man who’s dedicated his life to serving the gynecological needs of young, male athletes. It’s unthinkable that he might have taken a bribe, for instance, or lied to protect a golden goose favorite client. He took an oath, after all.

by Susie Hartigan on Feb 24, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

The one interesting part there

is that AC wasn’t really the golden goose back when he said that, was he? He was a huge talent to be sure but he didn’t have any really big wins and he was without a team(?).

Why single out AC? If we were to believe the “powerful friends”-theory, why didn’t he make the same statement about Valverde?

The obvious answer would of course be that he knew there was physical evidence against valv.piti and he could be proven a liar.

by Jens on Feb 24, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, maybe not a golden goose

more like a promising up-and-comer.

Contador did have a team, though. He was one of the five Liberty Seguros riders who were excluded from the 2006 Tour, leading to the team’s disqualification for having too few riders starting.

I remember thinking at the time that maybe Fuentes just liked Contador, and wanted to protect him.

by Susie Hartigan on Feb 24, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Gynecological needs of young, male athletes...

… while wearing a skirt right? I seem to recall there being something about Fuentes wearing women’s clothing?

Boonen's a shark... choking on Livestrong chalk and FAIL. Go Cav!

by crashdan on Feb 24, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

cerebral cavernoma

in may 2004, during asturias, he suffered bleeding in the brain that caused a serious crash… led to surgery… didn’t race again until the 2005 tdu… still takes medication to avoid seizures

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Feb 24, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, horrible incident, he was close to dying

actually, what is it with these cyclists who have near death experiences? They all come back and become great.

"If you go (with a break), you can either win or not win. If you don't go for it, you definitely won't win."
~ Jens Voigt

by Phil H. on Feb 24, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

While I can't complain about investigations

that catch dopers and I’m all in favor of enforcement, I’m still not sure I’m comfortable with how Italy went after Valverde.

If they were testing particular samples of blood from Italian races that were questionable, I could see it, but it seems like they were using UCI samples from undefined races to match with OP bags of blood, and that the only link was that he rode in Italy at some point during the period thought to be covered by the investigation. Am I missing something about the links to Italy?

by Katiek on Feb 24, 2009 3:03 PM EST reply actions  

That is what Valverde's lawyer is arguing

plus something about the authority for CONI to start a wider hunt wasn’t given until 2007, one year after the Puerto raids, so even if they could theoretically sanction him now they can’t do so on the earlier evidence. Torre seems pretty confident.

by Monty. on Feb 24, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

ja

What Monty said. Also, CONI used their own samples – that is, they took samples during the Tour of riders that the evidence led them to suspect. The Italian legal authorities did the DNA comparison, then CONI provided the identities that matched the samples.

But basically, they’re saying, he raced in Italy, he doped during the time he raced in Italy, he’s guilty in connection with Puerto, we’re going to nail him. It’s also unclear what further evidence the Italians have – there is apparently more to the investigation – the NAS investigation specifically, which would deal with trafficking – than just the blood bag matching.

by Jen See on Feb 24, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

And if you thought that Puerto is going slow

then have a read up on Oil for Drugs which is still popping out charges and convictions from time to time, like Stevic.

by Monty. on Feb 24, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

uh-huh

That thingy is still going on, and there’s a criminal case grinding forward in Rome.

Not too much press on it lately. Yo Capo, can you give us some infos?

by Jen See on Feb 24, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

lol, by the way

Like how I got that avisio thing up there for ya? I did it just for you ;-)

by Jen See on Feb 24, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I was impressed that you found out

And I notice that the prosecutor, Paolo Ferraro, is the same chap who was in charge at the raids on the Giro in 2004 and who has been chasing after Santuccione. So presumably he knows what he’s doing.

by Monty. on Feb 24, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

indeed :-)

The very same dude. It was irking me that I didn’t understand what the avisio thingy was either. So, eh, I look around.

by Jen See on Feb 24, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

As a sidenote,

Playing with crayons is so much more fun.

by Jen See on Feb 24, 2009 4:29 PM EST reply actions  

Wait

didn’t it say that Valverde’s trial would be in crayon?

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris Fontecchio on Feb 24, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

well, I suppose we could supply some illustrations…

perhaps i’d better buy another box of crayons ;-)

by Jen See on Feb 24, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

You finished the first box on this project?

Passo di Gavia, ……….. you’re not eating the crayons are you?

by Jens on Feb 24, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

bahahahahaha!

Me? Eating the crayons? I would never….

by Jen See on Feb 24, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah...

… with a chaser of kindergarten paste…

Boonen's a shark... choking on Livestrong chalk and FAIL. Go Cav!

by crashdan on Feb 24, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

They are only doing this to try to bring down my VDS team

that is clearly the only reason they are opening up Puerto now. They will not bring my captain down, Bert will lead me to glory!

"If you go (with a break), you can either win or not win. If you don't go for it, you definitely won't win."
~ Jens Voigt

by Phil H. on Feb 24, 2009 5:52 PM EST reply actions  

+1 ...

…if I can get my nerve up to submit that roster :-)

by samboo on Feb 24, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Gargh, me too.

I’m going to leave AC in, I think, or maybe not…heck I don’t know! Not sure who I’d replace him with…

by Albertina on Feb 24, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Bert's on my list

after dropping Valverde that is.
back in 2007 I read a lot about his “case”, doesn’t appear to be any serious link.
as mentioned ealier somewhere – too lazy to check back – I think his name showed up in “training and results” section.
so I’m keeping him and hope this will deliver the points….fingers crossed…

by rbjhan on Feb 24, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

everyone is a gamble

you never know what’s gonna happen!
I really like him, so what the hell…

by rbjhan on Feb 24, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

True

for all we know he’ll have a season-ending injury the first day of Paris-Nice and that will be that for our VDS teams…

by Le Comte on Feb 24, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm totally going to need a new sponsor...

Team Old Ten Speed p/b Funding Gap is gonna need some serious help, I can feel it.

by Ed K on Feb 24, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

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