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Polemica: Race Radios and the Tour de France

French news The debate over the use of radios in cycling has reignited in France this week. Daniel Bilalian of France Télévisions wants to put an end to the use of race radios, beginning with this year's Tour de France. Bilalian places race radios on the "same level as doping," as something that is destroying cycling. "The ear pieces transform the riders into automatons," he says, and they kill the spectacle and unpredictability of the racing. Bilalian says he hates to see riders stopped on the road, directed by their team management to hold back or to wait. For instance, Bilalian would like to have seen Andy Schleck ride all out on the Alpe d'Huez, and blames the voice of Riis in his ear for his passive ride during last year's Tour de France. "The renewal of cycling depends on the fight against doping, and I place the disappearance of the ear piece between rider and Directeurs Sportif on the same plain," Bilalian told L'Équipe.

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The use of radio communications between riders on the course and the team car following behind dates from the early 1990s, when the American team Motorola introduced radios to the peloton. Advocates of their use point to their importance for rider safety. A directeur sportif can call out road hazards from the car to alert riders. Also, in the event of a mechanical or a flat, riders can quickly call for assistance and such accidents de la course have less influence over the final results. For Vincent Lavenu, directeur sportif of AG2R-La Mondiale, radios are essential. "This is true technical progress, an essential, precise and rapid tool for race tactics and rider safety," he explained. Opponents of banning race radios emphasize the role they play in rider safety.

Marc Madiot, directeur sportif for Français des Jeux, is sympathetic to the argument about rider safety. As a compromise, Madiot suggests a single frequency "rider radio" that would broadcast hazards and which would allow riders to ask for mechanical or other assistance. He would also like to see race radio report the composition of breakaways after the gap reaches at least 40 seconds rather than the current 10 seconds.

Otherwise, though, Madiot is firmly in the no radio camp. In his view, the use of radios penalizes a smart rider like Philippe Gilbert, who can read the race and make his own decisions. As Madiot recounts, Gilbert won Omloop Het Volk in 2008 without the help of his directeur sportif. At the time of his winning move, Gilbert rode out of range and Madiot could not communicate with him by radio. The DS admits that he would likely have told Gilbert to wait, rather than attack when he did. Said Madiot, "He would maybe have been deprived of the victory." "With radios, the riders have become sheep," Madiot concludes. He would like to see cycling experiment with banning radios during some races this season, then make a decision next winter.

Christian Prudhomme of the ASO has confirmed that he is intrigued by the idea, especially if the change meant less predictable racing. "The earpiece padlocks the course," said the Tour director. He believes, "It is necessary to reintroduce challenges and elements of uncertainty." Eddy Merckx shares much the same view. Suppressing the radio will "give back the momentum to the races and spontaneity to the riders. But if I say that I fear that everyone will say that I am looking for a return to the time of the Romans," said the Belgian, who won 525 victories in his career, without ever wearing an earpiece. The UCI already bans the use of race radios in amateur and U23 races. But no precedent exists for banning radios at a specific race, as Balalian and others propose for the 2009 Tour de France. Prudhomme has said that he will discuss the matter with the UCI.

The Tour de France has always had an ambiguous relationship with technology. In the early years of the Tour, the bicycle represented technological progress. To some degree, it still does, as each year's Tour de France showcases the best shiney carbony bits available. Scientific training also connects the Tour to technological change. But the Tour also has a deep mythology of heroism and suffering. Little wonder that "robot" or "extraterrestrial" are epithets in the vocabulary of the Tour de France. The central myth of the Tour is human endurance, an endurance tested and tempered by the extreme difficulties of the course. In this context, for example, Henri Desgranges refused to allow riders to use derailleurs long after recreational cyclists could purchase them.

The debate over radios fits squarely in this long-running collision between the contradictory meaning assigned to the lengthy bike race around France held every July. How much should technology aid the riders in their quest to wear the Yellow Jersey? Does technology rob them of their humanity, turning them into robots or sheep? Or, is it possible to be modern but also heroic?

All quotes from today's print edition of L'Équipe. Other assorted blabbing mine. Don't blame L'Équipe.

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The funny thing about this...

…is you can find the French, in particular, having this debate with themselves as far back as the turn of the century, the 20th Century, that is.

And tragically, they tend to get it ‘wrong’ — at least where there is a question being decided on the basis of purely quantitative results. More or less every time they got absolutely slaughtered by the Germans, literally or metaphorically (post WWII economic boom…or stagnation) during the 20th C it was on account of their belief in an elan vital of one form or another and a corresponding underestimation of / resistance to accounting for and adopting the power of a certain kind of technical approach to a problem. I say tragically because its very hard not to sympathize with the heroic bit…

…except that its so often a mirage.

I have no idea if the rule change is good, but there is something so oddly resonant about this way of framing the debate I had to comment.

by Ed K on Feb 25, 2009 8:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

For sure

And the Tour de France has certainly reflected that wider French cultural debate, and at times provided a space to express it. So, yes, I do think the idea of the riders as technologically-controlled automatons, and the need to reintroduce human characteristics, has a resonance in French culture that dates from at least the nineteenth century.

The language of is theirs – automatons, progress, etc. – the interpretation at the bottom is mine.

by gavia on Feb 25, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I think you're dead on. In short.

And the worst part about this is that its not always easy to separate a sense of the value of something non-alienated from a sort of reactionary conservatism where these debates are concerned. Which is why they make me so nervous.

by Ed K on Feb 25, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Desgranges, for one, was very conservative about many things not just derailleurs. This is part of the reason such things are so contested: it’s a struggle to define values and decide what to accept and reject.

by gavia on Feb 25, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Desgrange

is sort of beside the point. He seems to have been driven by vanity and lust for bloodsport. That some of his choices also spurred a more honest debate about values is purely accidental.

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris... on Feb 25, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly! I was just about to write that the problem...

is that these debates about values often get framed in broadly mythical terms. Its one thing to have an honest debate about what is important to us, but the way the French do it when their ‘heroic’-thing is involved tends to be become this kind of delirium as often as not.

by Ed K on Feb 25, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes and no

It’s true he had his share of vanity, but in some of his statements and writings it’s clear there’s more going on than that.

by gavia on Feb 25, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Humm...

I associate him, and this is based just on a vague impression, with the rightist version of Bergsonian philosophy that led to the military doctrines Barbara Tuchman ridicules at the beginning of The Guns of August: its all about elan vital (in the most mindless possible interpretatation of that notion), the army will succeed if only it always attacks and never retreats, etc. I know that’s a bit of a caricature, and I’m nowhere near enough of a historian to have a more fully developed idea of this, but there’s a kind of strong-man ethos there, very much willing to embrace and even celebrate technological innovations like the bicycle (and other forms of modernity) just insofar as it can be bent to produce a valorization of this ‘heroic’ approach to life.

This, by the way, describes an awful lot of avant-garde modernism that wants to blow up bourgeoise culture by using technology and/or a kind of reductive minimalism to reconnect to some kind of authentic origin - at times by accelerating a coming cataclysm. Desgrange seems to me to be totally in line with that-and why I suggested that there is a bit of delirium involved in this. High modernism (and in a lot of ways the TdF is very much its contemporary) has more than a bit of that at play.

by Ed K on Feb 25, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm guessing that there aren't many

SB nation blogs where Bergson gets a shout-out.

Who’s next? Barthes? [Thanks for that . . .}

Actually, I like Madiot’s compromise idea . . .

by R Mc on Feb 25, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ditto - we can call it the Madiot Compromise

With today’s technology it cannot be that difficult to warn the riders of hazards, allow them to ask for assistance, but keep strategic table talk from happening. It’s more a matter of ‘do the powers that be want to do it.’

"I didn't look for him and I didn't see him. If you base your race on another rider, most of the time you lose."

Tom Boonen

by Drew... on Feb 26, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Madiot Compromise / Maginot Line

I can’t imagine why I have a bad feeling about this………..

by Jens on Feb 26, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking that while I typed it

If it turns out the same way only Europe will suffer, so I consider it a win anyway.

(ducking rocks thrown from Europe)

"I didn't look for him and I didn't see him. If you base your race on another rider, most of the time you lose."

Tom Boonen

by Drew... on Feb 26, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, we can't throw rocks from way over here, they'd never get across the pond

Mr Van P: please throw rock at YankeeDoodle Drewdie over there

by Jens on Feb 26, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What weak arms you have, Grandma

"I didn't look for him and I didn't see him. If you base your race on another rider, most of the time you lose."

Tom Boonen

by Drew... on Feb 26, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yankee Doodle Drewdle

I love IT.

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Feb 26, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Drewdle works too

I went with Drewdie because it sounds like d***y

by Jens on Feb 27, 2009 2:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I actually had a typo there, meant to copy yours.

But hey, I’m laughing at them both. The Drewd Abides no more.
It’s all yankee doodle doo now!

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Feb 27, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

dude

extra points for that, for sure.

by Sui Juris on Feb 25, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

comme ca

 “I still feel that variable gears are only for people over forty-five. Isn’t it better to triumph by the strenght of your muscles than by the artifice of a derailer? We are getting soft. . . As for me, give me a fixed gear!” -Henri Desgrange

"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race

by ELVISGOAT on Feb 25, 2009 9:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd swear

that you were watching the same film as me last night.

by Monty. on Feb 25, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure Sastre had NOTHING to do with Andy keeping it reigned in on l'Alpe...

Boonen's a shark... choking on Livestrong chalk and FAIL. Go Cav!

by crashdan on Feb 25, 2009 8:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

dunno

what do you think the half life of X is?

by Sui Juris on Feb 25, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

X'sh... fantashee... shkunk...

… and den my heart… make exploshiesh in my chesht.

Boonen's a shark... choking on Livestrong chalk and FAIL. Go Cav!

by crashdan on Feb 25, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pepsi Franck!

You are blowing your cover!

by Sui Juris on Feb 25, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ridiculous

Race radio, for sure. Anything to the contrary just invites more cheating and wasted energy on silly replacements.

by Sui Juris on Feb 25, 2009 8:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think it's odd, for sure

I’m not sure I quite understand where this came from all the sudden. Race radios have been around for more than ten years. So now you’re going to talk about banning them? Bizarro.

by gavia on Feb 25, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, this has been around for awhile

P&P are always getting into it about radios going way back to the first use of them. Same arguments… lack of sport v. safety of the rider.

"I won! I won! I don't have to go to school anymore." -- Eddy Merckx, after winning his first bike race

by ELVISGOAT on Feb 25, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My theory...

…at least some european teams think this puts them on a more level footing with the more corporate disciplined teams (read Astana, High Road,…) that are dominating the sport.

by Ed K on Feb 25, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Worked for Devo in Flanders last year...

Boonen's a shark... choking on Livestrong chalk and FAIL. Go Cav!

by crashdan on Feb 25, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No race radios

I am in the “No Radios” camp.

In this years ToC Horner went off and likely preserved the Yellow for Levi. JB didn’t want him to go, but was out of radio contact. Horner rightly surmised that the break was dangerous, and needed to be reeled in. There is no replacement for a “smart” rider.

by johnw on Feb 25, 2009 10:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Actually, this years ToC was a pretty interesting accidental test case...

…except its also hard to say how much of some of what happened was due to the conditions that were knocking out the communications too. One surely doubts that Mancebo would have happened with working radios. On the other hand, how much of the way Astana rode later in the race, and the way other teams did or did not attack them, was due to radios coming back? When was this Horner thing? Early or late? I can’t recall.

by Ed K on Feb 25, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought Horner just ignored JB?

JB said let them go, Horner said “f*ck that, we’re riding” and was proven right. I didn’t hear anything about the radio not working, but that makes more sense that Horner just ignoring JB. That is hard to imagine really…

The Dude will have a White Russian...

by Jimbo... on Feb 26, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They still get info from the team car

although the info is not instantaneous. No radios will change the face of the sport as there are not many riders who have ridden with out them these days. I agree, Horner has amazing insight and teams without guys like him and directeurs who can put all the “what-if” plans into the riders’ heads will be the most succsessful in ‘radio free europe’

by TC_ on Feb 26, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

would it make for more interesting racing?

I think there is a good chance of it. It would place a higher premium on a guy like Horner who can read things on the road. And, as a fan, it would be fun to have more variety in breakaway-type stages — I’ve seen more perfectly-timed catches by the pack than I care to count, and they are getting pretty old.

Viva la Lactique

by nrs5000 on Feb 26, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I never get this point about late catches

the basic dynamics of racing have been the same for as long as I’ve been watching. Early break of no-hopers goes off, gets caught just before crucial point in race, the big boys slug it out. The only difference is that nowadays there is a lot more information floating around. Some pretty minor races get the full motorbikes and helicopter treatment, teams tweet from the car, fans blog through smartphones from beside the road or by following behind on a motorbike. You just can’t stop some of that getting to the peloton.

You could equally argue that taking away radios would favour the big teams, since they are more likely to have a couple of spare domestiques in the later parts of races able to drop back to the team car for a bottle and a report, while the strong rider on a weak team is left on his own.

by Monty. on Feb 26, 2009 7:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting tidbit here

Okay I was just reading this and for some reason decided to look at the Astana site. There I found a ROAD mag interview with the SBN (aka Small Bald Nugget, aka Levi) which directly pertains to this radio issue.


What’s the difference between Johan and other directors you worked with?

He is definitely the best director I’ve ever worked with. What makes him the best? He’s a true leader and takes charge and makes decisions. At the
critical times in the race, when it is very intense and we’re not thinking clearly, we know the plan. In the past, directors really didn’t step in and take charge or even reaffirm the plan on the radio. He does that. He is constantly on his toes and telling us some simple stuff like eating and drinking. Once you get hungry and thirsty it is too late. Just simple things like that which we should know already, he’s telling us. During a three week race you are tired and not always on top of that. Or things like here comes an eight kilometer downhill and it’s in the rain so you should have your rain jackets on. It sounds really stupid and we are robots out there, but it really helps. He is in tune with the race and cares about what is going on. He’s as focused as we are. In the past I’ve carried around a radio and wondered why I have one because no one is talking.

Would Johan be such a force without the radio?

He would be the same at the meeting and in the race, but the radio definitely helps. I know it makes us sound like idiots, but it creates an atmosphere of a team and we are all there for each other.

It seems to me that the issue here is similar to some other sports where there is a balance of power between the coach and the players. Some sports the coach exerts more power, others the coach doesn’t. It seems clear from Levi’s experience that Bryuneel is much more of a hands-on coach and thus moves the sport away from that rider/hero center. I would say that one way or another there will always be an urge for the sport to become more coach-oriented, more organized, with or without a radio though I could see a compromise of some sort. I would be against a sudden ban. That has disaster written all over it.

As an aside that interview, if you didn’t click on it ends with a couple of questions for Popovych. Very interesting. The interview starts by noting how Popo likes to laugh…

You find that to be similar of people here on the team? They like to laugh and have a good time?

At the Vuelta I stayed in the hotel with the Astana team for the final three or four days. They had Alberto and everyone knew Alberto was going to win. The team was always joking and laughing.
You have ridden with Lance, Alberto and Cadel.

These are three very different people.

How are they different?

All three guys are looking for the win. Lance has many more years and is very concentrated. Alberto is a much young rider and not as much experience with other riders like Lance does. Cadel is walled off, isolated.

Italics are mine.

by ursula on Feb 26, 2009 1:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hard to do two seperate blockquotes.

My comments on Levi’s interview start with the paragraph, “It seems to me…” And there are no italics.

by ursula on Feb 26, 2009 1:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is exactly the point I was trying to make above.

I really think this is an anti-Johann measure. It’s come up recently because some people are having roughly the following intuition: I wonder if its not the drugs half the guys at postal were taking to keep up with Lance that made them unbeatable, but rather Johann constantly screaming in the riders’ ears to keep them all on point.

by Ed K on Feb 26, 2009 4:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

except that

I’ve never EVER (of course this could be heavily controlled) seen Johan yell—everything’s always calm.

by R Mc on Feb 26, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Haussler

I just finished reading the Haussler interview in VN. It doesn’t talk specifically of radios but he does talk about race preparation between Gerolsteiner and Cervelo and how at Carvelo he’s now training for gasp targeted races. I bring this up as another example where a DS/coach can make a huge difference in a team. I always felt Gerolsteiner was clueless and Haussler’s remarks reinforce that.

Pro Cycling in general and the Tour specifically always have been very conservative on anything other than the brute force of the rider being the decider. Way back in the day, as we know, they tried to ban teams. Now certain people want to ban some of the benefits of a team and I think Ed K is right, because certain teams have a little more brainpower and so do more with strategy. Race radios are a relatively easy thing to pounce on, especially since the reactionary forces here don’t like the use of brainpower to win races.

by ursula on Feb 26, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

just a question

of what you wanna see when watching the sport. Radio techonology and smarter coaching make for more wins for a team or a rider. But for many fans that’s not what they’re interested in. It’s not what they watch the sport for. They’re interested in the athletes, not the coaches, plus they’d like to see which athletes are the better tacticians, etc, in the heat of the battle, rather than have them just following coaches orders.

I prefer this myself. Good coaching is great, but i prefer that once the race starts, the riders make their own decisions.

by yeehoo on Feb 26, 2009 7:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree with your sentiment

I would love to see the race-intelligence of the individual riders make the the difference on the road. Radios take away a dimension and makes the sport less appealing for the fans. As for DS’s , of course they love them. It leaves less up to chance and they don’t have to work as hard at teaching and preparing their riders. As someone who works in retail it would make my life way easier if I didn’t have to live with the independent wills and unpredictable behaviour of my customers. I’m sure DS’s feel the same about their riders.

That said, I have tried to put toothpaste back in the tube once and it was not time well spent. Race radios are here to stay.

by Jens on Feb 26, 2009 8:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But cycling is a team sport

You can’t have 8 or 9 guys making independent decisions about team strategy without descending into chaos. If it’s not the DS doing it over radio, it would be the road leader telling the others what to do. Whether it’s the coach or the quarterback, somebody’s got to be in charge.

Jens, as a former retail person myself, it’s not the customers who are analogous to the riders, but the employees. A good manager does spend a lot of time teaching and preparing the staff so they can make good decisions when called upon. I would think the best DS do, too.

Google is my domestique.

by majope on Feb 26, 2009 8:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree about the analogy

but I used customers because in terms of obnoxiusness and the ability to frustrate thay are more on par with riders. :-)

You are spot on that someone ultimately makes the calls. I think it demands less of the riders this way, I like the fact that there is such a big mental part of the sport and it would play a bigger part without the radios. I don’t think that anyone doubts that Lance would have the authority to make his team make the right moves but would riders like Sastre, Menchov, Cadel, Basso and others who are more the “silent mouse, riding strong on the bike”-types ever win a GT without a radiocontrolled team? Well they would have to step up or at least have a strong roadcaptain by their side.

I think in the current system it’s a bit of a misnomer and really giving to much credit to call most captains “Captain” or “teamleader”. In many ways they are just more glorified drones, “protected rider” or “finisher” might be more appropriate.

by Jens on Feb 26, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point about the guys who just aren't natural leaders.

Of course, some of them have yet to prove they can win a GT with a radio-controlled team…

I agree that it would be interesting to see racing without radios, and see who could and couldn’t step up and make good decisions without a voice in their ear. Still, I don’t think they’re quite at the level of glorified drones. For instance, isn’t part of the point of Riis’s survival camps to find out who has (or can develop) leadership qualities?

Google is my domestique.

by majope on Feb 26, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

mostly

For instance, isn’t part of the point of Riis’s survival camps to find out who has (or can develop) leadership qualities?

Mostly I think it’s just to make them suffer.

by Sui Juris on Feb 26, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Probably, and for the amusement of the DS's too

“Did you see the italian when we dumped him in the water??! Ha haha Flailing his arms and sinking. I swear, if Jens! hadn’t walked on water and saved him we would have had to buy a new captain.”

by Jens on Feb 26, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tee hee...

The reason I love C and Horner, solid ass road captain skills. Those two know what the hell is going on, with or with out a radio. :-)

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Feb 26, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What about power meters?

There will be coach participation as long as there are team cars. Now that teams know how it is done, if you eliminate radios you will see designated message riders and such. I personally like the idea of a common radio frequency. for course announcements. Personally I think it would be even more interesting if power meters and such were not allowed. Actually no electric stuff on the bicycle at al.- no speedometers or cadence even. Maybe for a few select races. If you want to see pure athleticism and rider know-how I think this might be more important than driver radios.

by Markk on Feb 26, 2009 8:01 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The remark after the Merckx is classic
But if I say that I fear that everyone will say that I am looking for a return to the time of the Romans," said the Belgian, who won 525 victories in his career, without ever wearing an earpiece.

It’s even better than that; before the introduction of race radio ALL cyclists won without ever wearing an earpiece. Now, that is sound reasoning!

by Lopex on Feb 26, 2009 8:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Merckx quote that is

Sorry, my mind had difficulties getting around the ‘rckx quo’ combination…

by Lopex on Feb 26, 2009 8:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Merckx

Well at least he’s somewhat aware. He wants races to always be the same as when he raced. Like when he raced was something special.

But the race conditions back in his day weren’t special.

by ursula on Feb 26, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sure they were

Eddie Merckx was racing!

by Sui Juris on Feb 26, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Feb 26, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree with you Ursula (assuming you are not being ironic, that is)

I have huge respect for Merckx and what he did on the bike, but worshiping the past because it was simpler or more pure is the same sort of silliness that leads people to think that traditional Chinese medicine is somehow better than modern western medicine because it is older. Race radios are better for team tactics, better for team management, better for rider safety and health…

The Dude will have a White Russian...

by Jimbo... on Feb 26, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree it is in part an anti-Johann measure

US Postal, Disco, and then Astana have locked up so many big Tours in the past decade using perfect team oragnization.

But – personally – even as a Lance Fan Boy – I love the idea of no race radios …… adds huge uncertainty and excitement every time there is a break.

formerly known as cyclingchallenge

by Willj on Feb 26, 2009 1:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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