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Paris-Nice Post-Stage Thread

Unreal day to cap a rather unreal week. What do they have for an encore?

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Unbelievable.

Way to go Lulu… Bruyneel will have to sacrifice several Oxen tonight to help Contador recover.

Dude... why WOULDN'T Thor ride the chicken?

by crashdan on Mar 14, 2009 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Last year redux

Remember last year? Gesink had taken control on Mt Ventoux. Then on the next to last stage into Cannes, Gesink couldn’t descend like Rebellin and Nocentini and several others and lost the race.

This year Contador took control on Little Ventoux… and couldn’t hold it on the same next to last stage.

by ursula on Mar 14, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I also remember F. Schleck crashing on the same descent.

I wonder if he’s been working on his hand-eye coordination in the off season.

by brunopitton on Mar 14, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love Jens(y)

he keeps sacrificing himself for the team.

by OctaBech on Mar 14, 2009 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Team Astana experiment

with gummybears only for breakfast for the whole team is hereby terminated.

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 14, 2009 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Lol.

I can imagine that somewhere, Mr. Bruyneel is screaming into his cellphone very very loudly. Terminations have begun, beginning with thhe DS for PN.

"....Up Sestriere on a rental clunker in jeans and loafers? Brother, lemme buy you a beer."

by Rolls on Mar 14, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eki was very cocky going into the race

I guess he was served some humble pie this week as DS. Here is hopping that they don’t blow it like that agian this season. Not saying i want to see them win everything they enter. But rather see it lost due to better riding rather then dumb mistakes in eating and tactics.

Just spinning the pedals in the hills of Western Maryland

by natbla on Mar 14, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree

"....Up Sestriere on a rental clunker in jeans and loafers? Brother, lemme buy you a beer."

by Rolls on Mar 14, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

question

For tomorrow’s stage, would you go watch from the col d’eze (last climb not so far from the finish) or at the finish?

by yeehoo on Mar 14, 2009 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm going to try to win this race on just this one banana?

Now we know what all the laughs were about when ’bert was holding up the banana earlier in the stage….

by muk on Mar 14, 2009 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Castile y Leon

Man oh man, the Lance hype for this race will now go into overdrive now that Bert bonked.

by ursula on Mar 14, 2009 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah but I think it will soon become the Bert revenge race

real strong team this time, better DS(Bruyneel I’d assume), in Spain, and he’s the 2 time defending champ, and now he has brought up a lot of doubts. I think he will be a possessed man to get revenge on his team and silence his doubters.

I don't know if you knew this, CTV is run by Bernard Madoff

by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

whoa...there

Eki did not suddenly become a sucky DS for goodness sake. Cd"E, Chavanel played the attacks well.

by steph- on Mar 14, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't someone post Levi's comments

on how terrific they were at Astana with telling everyone on the race radio to eat right and weare the right gear and such?
Was he speaking specifically of Bruyneel?

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 14, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

This race, he and Gallopin have sucked

and Bruyneel is probably the best DS in cycling so he will always be a better DS then the other Astana Ds’s. Face it, it isn’t all their fault but they have had a very rough time at the race.

I don't know if you knew this, CTV is run by Bernard Madoff

by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well NOW the question is very relevant

how different would the outcome have been today had Levi been in the race, and Horner as well, probably would have not seen this type of explosion from Bert. Still Popo, Zubeldia, Paulinho, and Navarro have been very disappointing in the race, Gallopin is in some deep shit now, he has brought out the worst in the support riders it seems.

I don't know if you knew this, CTV is run by Bernard Madoff

by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2009 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

They both are

actually even worse, two DS can’t even get it anywere close to right, well they are both in trouble.They should have sent either Yates or Demol to P-N, both are doing T-A .

I don't know if you knew this, CTV is run by Bernard Madoff

by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree

bad DS all around.
and not just today!
someone needs to be fired….

by rbjhan on Mar 14, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dunno if you can entirely blame the DS

This looked like a support squad made up of question marks: Popo and Zubeldia are supposedly super-domestiques, but they haven’t been very good recently. I think they have a lot of UCI 2.1 races in their futures.

by Softie on Mar 14, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

both I guess

looking at today it might be the team being weak
but then you look at stage 3 and think, this is bad DS

by rbjhan on Mar 14, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously? A rider of Contador's ability isn't going to lose 3 minutes within 15km just because of attacks

had he had a teammate or two in the front group he could have saved his energy and had them help with the chase, The main reason he cracked so bad is because he had to chase the whole time and didn’t eat enough, his team left him out to dry today.

I don't know if you knew this, CTV is run by Bernard Madoff

by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup....you just can't get over that Contador would -gasp- be vulnnerable to attacks.

Cd’E, Chavanel and others played the atacks perfectly…..and Contador is no different than any rider dealing with those constant attacks. You need to take a deep breath and celebrate a great race day. Contador will be back to fight another day.

by steph- on Mar 14, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

at least

when he got caught by the Evans group
there should be some teammates in it to keep him with that group

by rbjhan on Mar 14, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

and it’s interesting that Popo seems to be starting this year in the same rubbish form he spent last year.

by Monty. on Mar 14, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not upset by the day, but I don't believe any top rider would have lost that much time

had he eaten right and had some team support. The reason he cracked is because he had to constantly chase, did Colom get dropped even though he didn’t have teammates? No, he didn’t have to do any work and had enough strength to get to the finish 2nd. But don’t tell me to cool down because I’m fine with the result, I’m more angry about leenoos’s performance at T-A but not that angry. How can I be mad with Flanders just 3 weeks away? This is my opinion and I’m sticking with it.

I don't know if you knew this, CTV is run by Bernard Madoff

by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know

all that rage isn’t good for you. Try to relax some ;-)

by Le Comte on Mar 14, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

seemed

like except for yesterday, the team was on vacation all week. Either that or not in form.

by yeehoo on Mar 14, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not in form you can respect, this is not the main objective

But still, that no one can be around at any of the crucial moments. It sucks a little

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 14, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lulu question

IF (big if regardless of CONI and UCI) Valverde gets canned will Cd’E look to expand Lulu’s role this year? Normally P-N is the race where Lulu peaks for and the rest of the year he’s just a domestique.

by ursula on Mar 14, 2009 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Probably, Pereiro has yet to prove he was nothing but a one year wonder at a GT

who got into a lucky break and then amazingly held his own the second time around in the mountains. Lulu is young and has what it takes, not to win the overall yet but to get into the top 10, something I doubt Pereiro can do again. J-Rod will focus on the Vuelta so it should be his team to lead.

I don't know if you knew this, CTV is run by Bernard Madoff

by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love that "lucky break" argument is still being tossed about.

He played the break and was able to gain time…there was nothing lucky about that break or his win.

by steph- on Mar 14, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fine, he got lucky and got into the right break

usually riders don’t lose over 25 minutes in the first mountain stages and then still when the Tour.

I don't know if you knew this, CTV is run by Bernard Madoff

by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The interesting thing about the break

is that no one went with Lulu. The others just rode Contador’s wheels and as it turned out they then lost any chance at a win. Imagine that if they all went when Lulu did. Bert probably would have stuck for awhile but still he would have bonked. But for the others, they lost their chance.

by ursula on Mar 14, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think there was some All vs. Contador going on there

or perhaps they didn’t see what bad shape he was in and deemed the attack pointless?

If Conta would have chased LLS down, a counter would have been good for the stagewin. My guess they didn’t dream AC would lose that much time.

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 14, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

wrong breal chat ursala

I was commenting on phil calling pereiro’s tour break as “lucky” and not earned. Pereiro kicked booty on that stage and held his own in the final TT. He earned that win, Nothing lucky about it.

by steph- on Mar 15, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pereiro is going to take a long time to recover from his injuries

you can see in the races he’s done that he has a long way to go. (and besides that, I agree with the rest as well)

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 14, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Pereiro deserved his placing in the ‘06 Tour, because he was able to stick it to the idiots who signed off on Phonak’s plan to put him in yellow. His consistency in the second set of mountains and his final time trial were excellent.

But he’s been really hurt, and it’s unclear what level he’s going to come back at—-remember Beloki?

by Softie on Mar 14, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kelly and Harmon on ES were saying the same,

after a bad accident, it takes a long, long time to get back, and some never get back where they were before the accident, Beloki is a good example.

by Bruce Suomi on Mar 14, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a non-Astana-fan I'm going to love gloating about today

but there is little doubt that performances like we’ve seen from Astana this P-N will NEVER be seen in any of the GT’s or main priority races.

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 14, 2009 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey, Lovkist only finished 3rd, don't gloat too much

I don't know if you knew this, CTV is run by Bernard Madoff

by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking P-N

T-A was as expected. if all the stars had aligned perfectly it could have been another win but it was unlikely.
I’m actually more nervous about tomorrow……………..who is going to be in form for that TT? Köden looked a bit too good today for my liking.

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 14, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, well I hope he is

I really don’t like him but as long as he rides under the German flag it’s sort my obligation to cheer for him, I’m still rooting for Leenoos first and foremost but he lost too much time today.

I don't know if you knew this, CTV is run by Bernard Madoff

by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kloden is practically a defending champ in T-A remember

Without Cance around it looks like um Lovkvist and Kloden as the most likely winners to me.

by ursula on Mar 14, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, I am disappointed.

At least Bert’s bonk today will hopefully shut some of his critics, he is human after all.
Anyway an excellent stage (and race), I have no problems with the results, quite the opposite, just bummed for Bert.

Gloat on Jens and steph…

by Bruce Suomi on Mar 14, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

my multi-tasking today is quite fun.

a bit upset for Bert
but great drama.

by rbjhan on Mar 14, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm not sure that i count as an out-and-out critic

although i am not a fan and definitely not an Astana fan. that said, i prefer riders who are human, who have greatness in them and also fail, but come back to fight another day. as the song says “it’s not the falling down that matters, it’s the getting up again”. it’s why i admire riders like Chavanel, who have so much fight in them even when they know the odds are against them. Contador is right to be humble and reflective (maybe he can teach Cadel something about sounding whiny) and he’ll be back dancing up mountains in no time. in the meantime, i celebrate Sanchez’s great attack and Chavanel’s fabulous descending and determination.

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Mar 14, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

No gloating is necessary there Bruce....and none done

Cd’Eand Chavanel played the day perfectly. I believe that Cd’E won the day more than Contador lost the day. Contador has bigger races to worry about….sooo tell me exactly how celebrating a great stage day is gloating again?

by steph- on Mar 15, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lance's Twitter:
Unfortunate day for Alberto. Amazing talent but still a lot to learn.

Snap!

He has no charisma--Thomas Dekker, on Cadel Evans

by majope on Mar 14, 2009 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

He did steal the bananas!

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Mar 14, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoa...

am I the only one who sees this as serious trash-talking? maybe I’m wrong?

by plinytheelder on Mar 14, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

fair enough -

but is this really what you say about your teammate in public? To my mind this can be translated as: “This clearly shows that I’m the team leader in the Tour.” I know I might be reading too much into this… But I think Armstrong could just have easily said something like “tough day for Alberto” and left it at that. This is pure politics. Again, I have a feeling I might be reading too much into this…but that’s how it seems to me.

by plinytheelder on Mar 14, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, if LA has the legs

he’ll do the job. I read his comment as I saw it, Bert doing mistakes today, he is young after all.

by Bruce Suomi on Mar 14, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're reading too much into it

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Mar 15, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe

but I have the feeling that things are going to come to a head in July, if not before, those 2 just do not have the domestique mindset, neither one of them.

by plinytheelder on Mar 15, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

The philosophical question...

Is this what post-EPO (truly) cycling is going to look like. NOT point any fingers, or even meaning to imply it. But I wonder if part of why we haven’t seen so much of this in the past oh, decade (and maybe also why some DS don’t quite know how to handle it) is well, you know.

I mean, in a truly clean sport, guys are gonna have bad days after big efforts. Bert ripped up the entire field yesterday. He took a very hard dig the day before…or two days, I’m forgetting. Is part of LA’s point just that Bert spent too much of himself yesterday to get himself into yellow in the first place, especially given that if he were in striking distance after today he’d probably be able to win it in the TT. So he left himself a little exposed, and it’d already become obvious that his support crew wasn’t all that. So Caisse, taking a page out of the Rabobank book, blew up the race today and killed AC.

I’m sort of thinking, guess what, the sport just got more interesting because this isn’t going to be so uncommon. The art of marshalling your effort to perfection as a team is going to become even more delicate and crucial than it has been. Not just an overall strategy, but seeing that moment when, if you push, your rivals can be broken.

by Ed K on Mar 14, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

gah!

Second sentence above should be "…or meaning to imply it about anyone in particular.

by Ed K on Mar 14, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sugard cold isn't new at all

and not even doping can prevent it, especially not when you only weight 62Kg.

Keep in mind that doping allow for more oxygen being brought to the muscles, but if there’s no energy(gels) to burn there’s nothing to do.

by OctaBech on Mar 14, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good Point.

I didn’t see it. But we all know that part of what EPO did was keep you going day after day. But yeah being tired isn’t the same thing as crashing.

by Ed K on Mar 14, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're onto something

A look back a couple of generations and you can see that even the greats had their bad days. The notion of not having a single bad day in a 3 week tour is relatively new one.

However, simply not getting enough fuel in, is not new and we occasionally see even the most seasoned pro’s make this mistake.

For my money the blame for “Berts Blowup” today lies squarely on the shoulders of the team car that was following him. They should be his backup, reminding him to eat, forcing fuel into him if necessary.

He didn’t fuel up, they didn’t make sure he did and, well anyone who’s experienced a hunger flat can only marvel at how well he rode after the fact.

by muk on Mar 14, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that's why I said that I wasn't saying anything about anyone in particular.

Especially not Bert. There’s no reason at all to doubt him. I was just thinking more generally. We’re gonna see a more unpredictable sport now. That’s all.

by Ed K on Mar 14, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are confusing it with T-A

tomorrow is the traditional Nice to Nice stage to finish the race, goes over three cat 1 climbs but shouldn’t allow Lulu to lose the jersey…then again what has happened in this race that has been predictable?

I don't know if you knew this, CTV is run by Bernard Madoff

by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I knew it was the wrong day to celebrate a stupid birthday

So, was it a “Landis on La Toussuire” moment, or what?

No longer that I call them tights, I call them freedom ware.

by TheFigurehead on Mar 14, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm just hoping

we don’t see any “miraculous” “Mercx-like” escapes off the front by AC tomorrow. Then again, I’m not sure anyone would be that stupid so soon after 2006.

The only way I see AC getting back in is if Lulu bonks hard tomorrow himself…

by Le Comte on Mar 14, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bert:

After the race Contador offered no excuses but rather clear reflection on racing: “It was so hard. Until 65km from finish there was no real breakaway but complete chaos and always attacks. It made me tired. Due to the speed I neglected my nutrition. At 40km from the end I was alone. I still could react on the attacks but at 15km it was over. I had no forces left any more. My only aim was to arrive at the finish." He continued, "Everybody raced against me but that is normal. I spoke with Luisle (Sanchez) in the final. We said we had to each do our part of the work in the breakaway. Then he told me he wanted to win the stage. Now he has the jersey as well. I am not happy about it but I congratulate my friend."
"Now the objective is to recuperate,” said Alberto. "It was a very hard Paris-Nice. The balance is still positive. The time trial was good and the mountain test as well. We learned again. This is all a step forward in my preparation (for the Tour)."

by Bruce Suomi on Mar 14, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Sounds about right.

A learning experience in front of our eyes.

by ursula on Mar 14, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

He does need to learn more

that’s clear, I still think his DS and team let him down but he has to take some blame. I hope Lance doesn’t just twitter about Contador needing to learn and also teaches him some things. This is were I think Lance can be the biggest help to Bert, even bigger than supporting him in a race.

I don't know if you knew this, CTV is run by Bernard Madoff

by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Why Bert went after Colom in the first place made no sense, since he was down on the GC , there was no need for him to chase him

by Bruce Suomi on Mar 14, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, but

the current Bert just did what the old Lance would have done . . .

by R Mc on Mar 14, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Bert attacked when he didn’t have to and let his ego write check his body couldn’t cash…. He’s been busted, lost his qualifications as section leader three times, put in hack twice by me!, with a history of high speed passes over five air control towers, and one admiral’s daughter!

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by Jimbo... on Mar 14, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice! Can I call you Goose this weekend?

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Mar 14, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you do

you’ll be flying a cargo plane full of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong!

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by Jimbo... on Mar 14, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL!

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Mar 14, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, Lance repelled the attack when

Ulrich and Mayo had him isolated, plus he was really strong at the psychological game(a lot of that authority has disappeared now though).
Sitting in front isn’t the same even though it might look that way on the TV.

I wonder, will Levi and Armstrong act as waterboys during TdF? If not then they won’t be much help unless they can agree on how to cover the attacks.

by OctaBech on Mar 14, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

You need to go back further

to the pre-cancer Lance. That is what R Mc is talking about.

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by Jimbo... on Mar 14, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't what he did pre-cancer days irrelevant

he then evolved into a 7 time Tour champ who always rode a very smart tactical race. He clearly learned from his mistakes and became a much better racer, that knowledge is what he should spread to Bert, not what he did before he dominated the Tour.

I don't know if you knew this, CTV is run by Bernard Madoff

by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's relevant

The point I was trying to make is that Lance was once young and inexperienced. He made mistakes, he attacked because he was a hot head, he was better than the other guys… but he grew up and learned, and he went on to win 7 tours because he was better and smarter. Bert will also learn, with the help of Lance and JB if he is lucky, or he will learn on his own, or perhaps he will not and continue to get beat again and again by lesser riders with better tactics.

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by Jimbo... on Mar 14, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, if you put it that way it's relevant

Lance has been through the transition of becoming a smart rider, now he can help speed up that transition for Bert. Though Bert is already far ahead of Lance at this time of his career, scary to think what he will do when it all comes together.

I don't know if you knew this, CTV is run by Bernard Madoff

by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

2002 tdf stage into morzine when la bonked and lost about two mins that day

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Mar 15, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

sorry, 2000 tdf, not 2002

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Mar 15, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

and that's the right answer

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Mar 14, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gallopin (Astana's DS):

“The team showed a bit of weakness in controlling the race. We’ve always said this is a difficult race to control and in the end Alberto had everyone against him which is normal—that’s racing and he was wearing the leader’s jersey. Everybody was against him and did everything they could to defeat him. That’s cycling.” Gallopin continued, " He just isn’t Superman. The organizers wanted a spectacle and they got that. They made a very hard course. Contador could not react each time to the attacks of Colom and Voigt and then in his head it was over. Contador showed he has his qualities but also his weaknesses. He is young. There will another Paris-Nice in his future. I think for tomorrow it will be impossible to change the current situation, but we will certainly show an effort. "

by Bruce Suomi on Mar 14, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Not really fond of him laying it all on Contador's shoulders
The team showed a bit of weakness in controlling the race

That’s all he has to say about his and the domestiques shortcomings today? Weak logistical support, weak tactical advice, weak protection. If you aren’t ready to offer better protection for your golden nugget perhaps you should hold off on entering him into races until you are ready ?
And how about a little self-critique?

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 14, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I find it funny a DS would say that

along with the

Contador showed he has his qualities but also his weaknesses. He is young

Isn’t it the job of the DS to advise a rider of what to do when he see’s weakness? Sure now he can have the big mouth and say Contador still needs to learn of what to do in those situations but during the race it must have been best just to keep that to himself.

I don't know if you knew this, CTV is run by Bernard Madoff

by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

He should learn to carry his own bananas?

Is that what Gallopin’s comments amount to?

by muk on Mar 14, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

This definitely seems like trying to shift blame a bit.

by Ed K on Mar 14, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

i just find it odd,

how incredibly far back all the astana riders were. When conta was finally passed by the first peloton group – i mean there were still no astana riders. Not that it would have mattered at that point as he was totally bonked and the race was over. But it just shows – ha, well i’m not sure what it shows, but it certainly makes you wonder. Really seems as if they weren’t trying. Perhaps the team just thought berto could handle things on his own. Truly bizarre.

Seems like someone pointed out yesterday that the astana team wouldn’t be strong enough today.

by yeehoo on Mar 14, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would assume that he is including himself in "the team"

And for all we know, he had an excellent plan but the other Astana riders just choked. Pure speculation on my part. And Contador had no business trying to catch Colom and I imagine was told not to chase him and didn’t listen, which again is pure speculation on my part. All in all, an excellent racing day!

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by Jimbo... on Mar 14, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was indeed an excellent day of racing!

i still can’t quite figure why my team over at cyclingfever is tanking with both Lulu and Chava on it, but i don’t mind!

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Mar 14, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

But then again, this makes sense too...

ugh I’m pissed the video wasn’t working. I wanted to see this.

by Ed K on Mar 14, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

me too

i just waiting that he updating with the video of today.

http://videosdeciclismo.net/?year=2009

by semprenaroda on Mar 14, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure it's frustrating but you have to look within yourself and focus on the things that really matter

like the fact that Thomas Lövkvist is still in a good position to win Tirreno tomorrow.

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 14, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

still gloating?

It might back fire, just sayin’

by Bruce Suomi on Mar 14, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not so much gloating as psyched for tomorrow

Can someone please fax Contadors diet for today to Klöden. He needs it tomorrow.

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 14, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL!

Not sure you want that, Bert did beat Wiggings….

by Bruce Suomi on Mar 14, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

done.

check for a blank page.

by lyne on Mar 14, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent

A bonk at about 23km into the TT would be ideal, That should have him looking like Thuringer bratwurst by the finish (33 secs or do beind Lövkvist).

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 14, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

*or so behind

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 14, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

You do realize that Thuringer bratwurst look extremely good right?

so I don’t know why you would want him to look so good, they also taste very good but I can’t tell you how good Kloden tastes, nor do I want to know.

I don't know if you knew this, CTV is run by Bernard Madoff

by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking pasty white, before you grill them

Never should have mentioned them. Now I’m hungry, god they’re good.

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 14, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah now I'm hungry too

next week I’ll be able to get some real German Bratwurst and I can’t wait! Really I’d like the US to stop calling their sausages Bratwurst because the taste doesn’t compare, not even close.

I don't know if you knew this, CTV is run by Bernard Madoff

by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I already sent him the diet Lulu had today

I had a feeling a certain Swede wanted to sabotage his ride tomorrow so I made sure I got to him first.

I don't know if you knew this, CTV is run by Bernard Madoff

by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow where did all this anger come from? cycling fans should celebrate great racing

preparation, tactics, bonking, getting into the right break, attacking, .counter-moves … are all part of great cycling. Seeing riders that are human, that can falter is also part of racing.

And can we focus on the current racing and not award all races to a riders and teams before the races have already started?

There’s some great racing going on, and I choose to focus on that and threads that talk about that. But I guess that’s just me.

by lyne on Mar 14, 2009 5:42 PM EDT reply actions  

scary isn't it?

:)

can’t wait to read about the sound of campy vs shimano. let us know.

by lyne on Mar 14, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup....my last day in Mono

0930 AM CST Monday 16th March 2009…and I’m changing my name to Farinelli Austin post CI switch on.
I have the music set up in order of listening pleasure….U2 Boy first…memories of the St Pats Day concert in Dublin many years ago.

errrr....am i supposed to sign this??

by Flatbagger on Mar 14, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

+100

Tho being pissed when your team loses and analyzing the crap out of what went wrong is a fairly time honored tradition.

by Ed K on Mar 14, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Geez you guys can be hard

I prefer to say that Bert was beaten on the day by a man that’s worked bloody hard for that very Moment….LLSRG has been knocking on the door and doing the work for years…soak it up Luis.
Now…I’m having 7 bananas and a Mars bar before my club crit champs and will have to make an instant decision whether i follow Contador or LLSRG’s wheel…and all that in a 30 minute rase with an average gradient of zilch!!
What a year this has been…and what a year it will be.
Cycling is the best sport in the Universe.

errrr....am i supposed to sign this??

by Flatbagger on Mar 14, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

still puzzled by the anger quote though..

by Bruce Suomi on Mar 14, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I see plenty of disagreeing but no anger

every time you disagree it seems a bit like anger but I don’t think anyone wanted to scream at someone else and tell them they are completely wrong.

I don't know if you knew this, CTV is run by Bernard Madoff

by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you talking to me??

errrr....am i supposed to sign this??

by Flatbagger on Mar 14, 2009 6:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm angry

because everyone else is so angry.

by Le Comte on Mar 14, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can all just shut up

or don’t shut up… Hey, someone pass the bratwurst…

More Muur...

by Jimbo... on Mar 14, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn. Bday party next door tonight. Grilled out brats and Italian sausages.

Had I known you were hungry I totally would’ve slipped ya one. Then again, I should’ve just “known”. My bad.
Can I ship you some? I will you know. :-)

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Mar 14, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

slipped me one...

I am not comfortable with such talk… cough, cough… yes, I know you would ship me some brats. I plan to take you up on that for de Ronde. And I will ship you a nice Pinot Noir, or a Sonoma Zin maybe. Or do you prefer white?

More Muur...

by Jimbo... on Mar 14, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Check the mail and let out the cats when you get a chance. :-)

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Mar 14, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow when I left to race I knew AC was cracking and was going to lose time, but damn.

Also very shocked by his post race cavalierness about throwing the race away on what appears to be inexperience. What did somebody twitter today from Nice…“Unfortunate day for Alberto. Amazing talent but still a lot to learn.” I think Eki allowed AC too much freedom and gave him too much credit for having the sense to know what to do on the bike all the time. Not happy at all with the accountant.

by sminer on Mar 14, 2009 8:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Lance is in Nice huh?

will be interesting to see if he has a little chat with Bert or the Astana crew after tomorrow’s stage

I don't know if you knew this, CTV is run by Bernard Madoff

by Phil H. on Mar 14, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

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