Tirreno-Adriatico, Stage 6...LIVE!
It's easy to bill this stage as Lovkvist versus Kloden, or at least the six seconds between them on GC. But Kloden is shadowed by Michele Scarponi (at 21") and Stefano Garzelli (at 41") too, which means the Astanii will have a lot of attacks to cover today.
It's not clear whether a ton of time can be made up on this stage, but the key elements are the ascent of the Sasso Tetto, a 10km climb ending at KM 192; the finishing km averaging 9.6%; and the fact that the stage is 235km. The climb to Piazza Cavour might not hurt anyone by itself, but at the end of a long day there are possibilities. One of the more interesting factors is Kanstantin Siutsou, sitting 1.34 back, and George Hincapie at 2.21. Both of them could be solid lieutenants for Lovkvist, or could launch some pretty threatening attacks to wear our Kloden and his helpers. When the margin is so small, there are a lot of tactics which can make the difference. Should be a terrific stage.
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Gesink is gonna save the day for my VDS today/year..
Basso, Gasparotto en Gerdemann all failed….
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
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Feeling a little man-love for you right now Chris
I was sitting last night looking at the Gc making roughly the same observations as you. It has the makings of a great stage.
The italians are obviously psyched about the possibilities for Garzelli and the cobbler and the fact that there are multiple threats to Klöden increases Lövkvist chances too.
Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.
I'll cheer for Lovkvist with you Jens.
Never even been to Sweden or anything but I like the guy. Hopefully will be a great year for him; I really want to see him deliver.
I cheer for Sivtsov
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Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
Hey Frinking,
I’ve just booked travel/hotels for Paris Roubaix. You going? IF Franzoi should win (ahem…), the ‘date’ is on ;-)
Franzoi winning?
I’m thinking Frinking doesn’t need to get a haircut and buy new aftershave just yet………………….
Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.
Franzoi is just playig hide and seek this season...
He will be their in PR!
And how cool that you are visiting Parijs Roubaix! Is it the only race you visit that week?
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Yes, sadly so.
I’m busy for the rest of the week with things on here so can’t make Flanders or GW. I’m coming over on the Eurotunnel on Saturday morning, then staying just outside Valenciennes that night (after a nice ride in the afternoon in the region of Arenberg). We’ll watch the race in hopfully a couple of locations and then head to Gent in the evening to meet up with CycleGirl! Can’t wait!
Nice schedule!
Let’s hope for some action..
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Is there video for T-A?
This is the first day I’ve been able to watch and the Cyclingfans site is haywire. I’m trying to load the Rai Tre stream but it’s not working.
not finding
anything, myself. Steephill.tv is a good alternative to Cyclingfans, but even the links there aren’t taking me to any working coverage (so far).
Rai Sport seems to go live 14:20 GMT
which is about 55min from now. Something that sounds as a prerace-show starts 13:45 GMT. GazzettaTV should work at 14:20 GMT at least.
Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.
I just saw that...
http://www.cyclingfans.com is back up with lives streams, start times, etc
Mornin' folks!
Jens- I see you’re here to cheer on Klodi? Good man. ;)
From Astana’s POV, this is an interesting team as it is mainly Kazaks and most of them are not thought of as climbers so Klodi might get isolated here. One exception is Renev, a rookie who surprised his team at Algarve with his climbing.
Frinking: I read that Gesink was using T&A for Ardennes training? He’s on my team too.
eurosprt live
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Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
Scarponi attacked on the mountain..
10 men in the breakaway
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
Basso, Nibali, Garzelli + 1 after Scarponi
Kloden not their
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
Martinez and Carrara
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Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
+ others
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Maaskant, Madraso + 1 other
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Martinez
Garzelli
Basso Niballi Garzelli
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I'm so glad with Basso in my VDS team
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Mmm VDS points $)
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Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
Martinez > Carrara > > > Scarponi, Basso, Nibali, Garzelli + 5 min > Rodriguez > Gesink ? Iglinsky, Klöden, Lövkvist, Sivtsov, Simoni, Caisse, Fuji and LPR
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
go stefano!!!
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by umwolverine on Mar 16, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Gaps
What does the Scarponi group have on the Blue Jersey?
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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2009 10:22 AM EDT reply actions
But
He’s in the Basso group, no? Where are they, exactly?
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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Am I not live?
They just crested some climb on TVSeba.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
hm
Switching channels. Different race. Never mind…
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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
1.10
seeing it now. OK, it’s a match, though hardly over.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
The Cricket!
On a moto… nice gig.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2009 10:23 AM EDT reply actions
rai live
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yep
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by umwolverine on Mar 16, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Martinez > Carrara > > > Scarponi, Basso, Nibali, Garzelli + 5 min > Rodriguez, Rebellin, Pietropolli , Arroyo(?)> Gesink > IKloden, glinsky, Capecchi, Lövkvist, Sivtsov, Pellizotti, Simoni en Capecchi
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
Something like that
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
hasn't changed from earlier
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by umwolverine on Mar 16, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
More names
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
brrrrr
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Kloden has help - Team c is better than Team B for Astana
hmmm
Just spinning the pedals in the hills of Western Maryland
Maxim!! He has to give me some points
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Scarponi in virtual lead
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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2009 10:31 AM EDT reply actions
Bettini report now
sounds like he didn’t have much to say.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2009 10:32 AM EDT reply actions
"Il vecchio George"
“the old George”
I love how they always call Hincapie that.
by Susie Hartigan on Mar 16, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions
Big question for the day
How come these guys have color coordinated coats and the guys in P-N and Cali didn’t?
Just spinning the pedals in the hills of Western Maryland
Please, This is Italy. The fashion standards are higher.
He has no charisma--Thomas Dekker, on Cadel Evans
Yeah in the big Kloden group
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Some how they blame this on Cav being recalled to Englad for Track duty
Can they do that?
Just spinning the pedals in the hills of Western Maryland
Who is the Garmin at the back of the chase group?
Just spinning the pedals in the hills of Western Maryland
Yeah probably Maaskant
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I guess Hesjedall
He’s riding pretty good
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Looks like Basso spent his down time
working on his descending skills.
by Susie Hartigan on Mar 16, 2009 10:37 AM EDT reply actions
he could go downhill half descently.... as long as he wasn't on a tt bike
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by umwolverine on Mar 16, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
his parents?
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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry
I just couldn’t tihnk of a non-obnoxious response.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Not really
I don’t think the GC is an objective for him, and the stage… not sure it’s really ideal for him.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Cool
I love it when they really cover descents. Seems like a lot of the time they run a bunch of ads and kind of hang back a bit. Not RAI.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2009 10:38 AM EDT reply actions
with il falco racing for years, wouldn't you?
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by umwolverine on Mar 16, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Kelly?
I’m on RAI, but if you’re hearing an Irish accent…
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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Any gap between Bassogroup and Klödengroup
Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.
lol.. Think 1,15 is right
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Viva Basso, Sivtsov, Gesink and Iglinsky
Where are Gerdemann and Gaspa?
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they are on a commercial break
If you don't have time to do it right the first time, when are you going to have time to do it again?
by CannonDowell on Mar 16, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Who is the 5th rider in the Basso group?
I know the other 4 are Basso, Nibali,Garzelli, and Scarponi.
Carrara.. Was on the breakaway
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I wish they would give the distance.
I’m guessing a bit more than 20km to go?
Commentators say 15 km to go
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Leaky
who are thet working for? Nibali @ 1.07, Basso 1.25
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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2009 10:49 AM EDT reply actions
gc that is
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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Basso is working for Nibali today so Nibali will work for him in the Giro
by PopUp Rolen on Mar 16, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
in that case
I hope the break works
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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
But Nibali can't sprint
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Well
They’ll have to work over Scarponi before the finale.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
And Garzelli..
He isn’t slow at the finish too..
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But Martinez is first.. So their is no big deal in being first in that group
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Er
is he in the Basso group? That’s a problem for Nibali’s overall hopes.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
that's the gap that matters
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by umwolverine on Mar 16, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
1.32 gap
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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2009 10:50 AM EDT reply actions
Astana
Getting it wrong again today?
"....Up Sestriere on a rental clunker in jeans and loafers? Brother, lemme buy you a beer."
by Rolls on Mar 16, 2009 10:52 AM EDT reply actions
whoa! sunshine
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Has Klöden pulled at all or only Iglinsky?
Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.
It is Ryder with Kloden
ES English are just totally devoid of clue…
yep, these two are known clowns, have no idea of anything
by Bruce Suomi on Mar 16, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Bruce- a favor
Can you go a bit further into the futiure and prevent these Brit clowns from announcing ever again?
Swedish ES is great!
Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.
it's like listening to cricket
at least the Italians get excited
You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.
highly possible
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by umwolverine on Mar 16, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Gap down to 1:50 tho...
He had more than that…
1.50... 3.33
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gaps
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by umwolverine on Mar 16, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
20 km to go...
Belgium commentators failed!
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Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
Di Luca's parents are at the finish today
Today’s stage not far from his home town in Abruzzo.
by Susie Hartigan on Mar 16, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions
FORZA DANILO!
I’m always hoping for the best.
-Bob
AKA -Bianchi Bob
by DaniloTifoso on Mar 16, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
He's there
with Siutsou
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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Sivtsov!! He rocks!
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
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Sivtsov and Lövkvist in that group
Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.
kloden toast?
It’s early, but this group looks solid. Major class there.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2009 10:58 AM EDT reply actions
Scarponi looks tired to me
he might get dropped on those final uphills
works for me
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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
il falco 2.0
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by umwolverine on Mar 16, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
not here
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by umwolverine on Mar 16, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Nibali
Does he have a gap? I thought I saw him just a couple seconds ahead.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2009 11:00 AM EDT reply actions
OK
seeing it now.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
oh, my
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by umwolverine on Mar 16, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Oy
that was ugly.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
RAI guys very impressed with Egoi's bike handling
by Susie Hartigan on Mar 16, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions
Hm
separating handling from judgment then? seems to me a great bike handler doesn’t approach the ditch.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Get him back.. So Basso can win
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But the attack actually helps Marinez.
Less guys to chase him back in that second group now.
Go Vinny!
He’s bombing through the town.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2009 11:03 AM EDT reply actions
Nibali FLYING
If you don't have time to do it right the first time, when are you going to have time to do it again?
Awesome race today
seems to be the theme lately.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2009 11:04 AM EDT reply actions
I sure hope Gazzetta streams Milan-San Remo
this really puts cycling.tv to shame.
by Susie Hartigan on Mar 16, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions
Niballi>Garzelli,Scarponi and Basso 18sec
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
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Is this thread saggy or my computer?
Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.
New one?
I’ll get it going.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 16, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
10 to go and thread is saggy, if i get the meaning right
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
Gerdemann and Vansummeren back in the Kloden group
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
2.52 to klodi grp
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lol.. Bye bye Nibali
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
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He's smilling
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
+2 He;s on my VDS
He’s so gonna win the Giro
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
Looks lime Martinez chilled out when he knew he was gonna get caught...
so he could hang with these guys
ha
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by umwolverine on Mar 16, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
PLEASE SWITCH TO SECOND LIVE THREAD
now or never
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