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Tirreno-Adriatico Post Race Thread

Stage 7- a typical bunch sprint and a typical finish too.

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Just spinning the pedals in the hills of Western Maryland

by natbla on Mar 17, 2009 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

I have

Heading into this stage it was:

1 Julien El Farès (Fra) Cofidis 27 pts
2 Michele Scarponi (Ita) Serramenti PVC Diquigiovanni-Androni Giocattoli 21
3 Stefano Garzelli (Ita) Acqua & Sapone-Caffè Mokambo 20

Now I have it:

El Fares- 27
Cavenndish 27
Farrar 23

So how do you say who wins?

by ursula on Mar 17, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

CN says...

Final general classification
 
1 Michele Scarponi (Ita) Serramenti PVC Diquigiovanni-Androni Giocattoli
2 Stefano Garzelli (Ita) Acqua & Sapone-Caffè Mokambo
3 Andreas Klöden (Ger) Astana
4 Thomas Lövkvist (Swe) Columbia-Highroad
5 Ivan Basso (Ita) Liquigas

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Mar 17, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think you're right

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Mar 17, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

ignore the times...

1 Michele Scarponi (Ita) SDA 23.27.36
2 Stefano Garzelli (Ita) Acqua & Sapone 0.25
3 Andreas Klöden (Ger) Astana 1.07
4 Thomas Lövkvist (Swe) Columbia 1.10
5 Ivan Basso (Ita) Liquigas 1.13
6 Davide Rebellin (Ita) SDA 2.06
7 Linus Gerdemann (Ger) Milram 2.32
8 Ryder Hesjedal (Can) Garmin-Slipstream 2.33
9 Kanstantsin Siutsou (Blr) Columbia 2.41
10 Vincenzo Nibali (Ita) Liquigas 2.54

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Mar 17, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

VDS has a new points leader

GC didn’t change, right? So, Lovkvist: 4th for T-A=125, young rider’s jersey=60, plus his previous 170=355.

He has no charisma--Thomas Dekker, on Cadel Evans

by majope on Mar 17, 2009 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Yep

And Scarponi is in 2nd place, though no one has him. He’s 2 points ahead of Contador.

by ursula on Mar 17, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

VDS points for the race

1.Scarponi 250 + 40+40= 330
2.Garzelli180 + 25+20= 225
3.Kloden 150 40= 190
4.Lovkvist 125 +10 +1060= 205
5.Basso 100 10= 110
6.Rebellin 80 +2520= 125
7.Gerdemann 60
8.Hesjedal 40
9.Siutsou 20
10.Nibali 10+40= 50

Others
Devolder 25
Rodriguez 40
Farrar 40+25+20=85
Cavendish 25+40+40= 105
Rossi 10
Petacchi 40
Bennati 25 10- 35
Fernandez 10
Duma 25
Cooke 10
ElFares 60 +4060= 160
Martinez 60
Capelli 40
Gesink 20

majope- is this right?

by ursula on Mar 17, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Lovkvist

That should read 125 10 +10 60= 205

Yeah- he’s now ahead of Contador as the VDS points leader for the year.

by ursula on Mar 17, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

And El Fares

should read: 60 40 60= 160

He wins the points competition, Cav is second

by ursula on Mar 17, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Main ques=ion is if I have the points competition right

I have El Fares 1st, Cav 2nd, Farrar 3rd.

Enjoy your coffee! Wish I could enjoy some with you.

by ursula on Mar 17, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oops!

Forgot the leader’s jersey points. Corrected below.

by ursula on Mar 17, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yiiiiiiiiihaaaaaaaaaaaaaww!

(Celebrate while you can………………….)

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 17, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

265 then

 I’m loaded for PN,
so this is not bad…

by rbjhan on Mar 17, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

meh

100 from Gerdemann and Hesjedal

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Mar 17, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

475 for me

Garzelli+Kloden+J-Rod + Gesink

by ursula on Mar 17, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Basso 5th Overall?

I’m having good sensations for the Giro!!!

Racing for Victory and Free Beer!

by DemonCats on Mar 17, 2009 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

210

Serious Meh

But thank you Tyler

by Ed K on Mar 17, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Looks like I got 370 out of the 500 I predicted from my dream team.

Eh. Could have been worse, but I really thought Lovkvist was going to win and Gerdemann place top 5, plus either Dekker or Schleck to make it to the top 10. So, as a prognosticator I have some work to do. But my team isn’t doing badly—I’ll have some VDS stats to put up later today, unless ursula or Chris beats me to it.

He has no charisma--Thomas Dekker, on Cadel Evans

by majope on Mar 17, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

i expected more from Gerdemann too...

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Mar 17, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

So what was up with Tommeke today

5 or 6 k to go and he suddenly decided to take a turn on the front of the peloton, dragging in the break, and leaving the final sprint to Allan Davis. Has he just conceded that he can’t beat Cav in a straight sprint this season?

by Monty. on Mar 17, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

CORRECTED VDS POINTS BELOW

I forgot to add in the GC leaders points. Here’s updated totals:

1.Scarponi 250 + 40+40+6= 336
2.Garzelli180 + 25+20= 225
3.Kloden 150 +40+6 = 196
4.Lovkvist 125 10 +1060= 205
5.Basso 100 10= 110
6.Rebellin 80 +2520= 125
7.Gerdemann 60
8.Hesjedal 40
9.Siutsou 20
10.Nibali 1040= 50

Others
Devolder 25
Rodriguez 40+6= 46
Farrar 40+25+20=85
Cavendish 25+40+40= 105
Rossi 10
Petacchi 40
Bennati 25 10- 35
Fernandez 10
Duma 25
Cooke 10
ElFares 60 +40+60+6+6+6= 178
Martinez 60
Capelli 40
Gesink 20

by ursula on Mar 17, 2009 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

hey

do you know how many i got before PN & TA?
50!

by rbjhan on Mar 17, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have 296 for Scarponi (and a few other differences)

250 for win; 40 for one stage win; 6 for one leader’s jersey. Where do the other 40 points come from?

Other differences:
Cav did end up 3rd in points, so 85 for him. Farrar didn’t end up scoring in any of the points categories, so I’ve got him at 65, not 85.

Garzelli 180 + 25=205. I don’t have another 20 points for him.

Rebellin: 145 (40 for 2nd in mountains, 80 for 6th place, 25 for stage 2nd)

Capelli 20 (3rd in mountains)

Bennati 75 (2nd in points for 40 + 25 + 10 for a second and third stage place)

El Fares 118 (you have 2 X 60—did you add his first in points twice?)

Everybody else the same. I got the places for mountains and points from the official website:
Mountains: Martinez, Rebellin, Capelli; Points: El Fares, Bennati, Cavendish.

He has no charisma--Thomas Dekker, on Cadel Evans

by majope on Mar 17, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are right on all counts

I messed up with the lesser leaders jerseys.

by ursula on Mar 17, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thought that might be it. It did seem to take a long time for them to post official results.

At least you tried to figure them before they got posted. :)

Bennati went but I was able to get past him quite easily.--Mark Cavendish, Tirreno-Adriatico Stage 7

by majope on Mar 17, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cav was my only rider here it appears

I think that puts me at about 770 for both P-N and T-A

Come on, man. I had a rough night and I hate the fuckin' Eagles, man!

by ELVISGOAT on Mar 17, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

for both P-N and T-A

I think i’m at 1150 or so…not a bad week

by tteel on Mar 17, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

well done

Come on, man. I had a rough night and I hate the fuckin' Eagles, man!

by ELVISGOAT on Mar 17, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn at the Dopers!

Final general classification
 
1 Michele Scarponi (Ita) Serramenti PVC Diquigiovanni-Androni Giocattoli
2 Stefano Garzelli (Ita) Acqua & Sapone-Caffè Mokambo
3 Andreas Klöden (Ger) Astana
4 Thomas Lövkvist (Swe) Columbia-Highroad
5 Ivan Basso (Ita) Liquigas

Come on, man. I had a rough night and I hate the fuckin' Eagles, man!

by ELVISGOAT on Mar 17, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

One of these kids isn’t like the others?

by Jen See on Mar 17, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is it so difficult to give former dopers a 2nd chance?

The paid their debt, I say bring ‘m back and let them make good. This is just the same way in regular society: you don’t have to turn in your driver’s licence for running a red light, shoplifters don’t get banned from all shops for life, even most murderers get out of prison eventually.

by tedvdw on Mar 17, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but it's sort of like walking into your bank

and finding 4 tellers at the counter who’ve served time for embezzlement. Then you find out there is an audit going on, but you won’t know the results for maybe a year or two, and it might not pick up the latest undetectable forms of embezzlement anyway.

So, you want to believe, but it’s hard not to have the occasional doubt flit across your mind.

He has no charisma--Thomas Dekker, on Cadel Evans

by majope on Mar 17, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are certainly getting another chance...

… just not by me. I’ve seen too much of that stuff to just let it slide. No harm in pointing out that these guys are tainted, imho.

Come on, man. I had a rough night and I hate the fuckin' Eagles, man!

by ELVISGOAT on Mar 17, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

More fool me for picking the wrong dopers

Last year I went clean and got hammered. This year I was a bit more cynical and still got hammered. Next year I go dartboard.

by Monty. on Mar 17, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

The points classification is different than above.

1. El Fares
2. Bennati
3. Cavendish

So that changes the points up a little bit.

by ncmussell on Mar 17, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Some Post-Tirreno VDS stuff

Top 12 VDS top scorers through Tirreno-Adriatico
Thomas Lovkvist 355 (25.36 pps) 22 teams
Alberto Contador 328 (13.12 pps) 99 teams
Lulu Sanchez 316 (52.67 pps) 50 teams
Sylvain Chavanel 288 (24 pps) 24 teams
Thor Hushovd 250 (15.63 pps) 31 teams
Frank Schleck 225 (14.06 pps) 16 teams
Tom Boonen 220 (11 pps) 40 teams
Juan Antonio van der Flecha 215 (26.88 pps) 24 teams
Stefano Garzelli 205 (51.25 pps) 13 teams
Kevyn Ista 200 (100 pps) 0 teams
Andreas Kloden 196 (24.5 pps) 14 teams
Antonio Colom 185 (92.5 pps) 37 teams

VDS Club 67
(riders who have returned 67 or more per point spent)
Julien El Fares—118 (0 teams)
Jonathan Hivert—105 (1 team)
Kevyn Ista—100 (on 0 teams)
Pieter Weening—100 (21 teams)
Antonio Colom—92.5 (on 37 teams)
Ruben Plaza Molina—82.5 (on 1 team)
Graeme Brown—80 (on 42 teams)
Xavier Tondo—80 (3 teams)

Island of Misfit Toys: Available, but nobody wanted them (508 points)
Kevyn Ista, 200 (100 pps)
Julien El Fares 118 (118 pps)
Greg Henderson 80 (40 pps)
Jaume Rovira 60 (60 pps)
Geoffroy Lequatre 50 (25 pps)

Land of the Lost: Not listed riders who’ve scored points (821 points)
Michele Scarponi 296
Frederic Amorison 120
Kevin Seeldrayers 120
Jeremy Roy 60
David Boucher 40
Matthieu Ladagnous 40
Carlos Nozal 40
Ruben Perez 30
Vladimir Duma 25
José Herrada 20
Francisco Perez Sanchez 20
Christophe Le Mevel 10

Hey, wait—should the goal for an elite team still be 10,000 points, given that there are more races this year, and therefore more points available?
Well, if you’re going to be picky about it…by my admittedly imperfect (but probably somewhere in the neighborhood) calculations, a team last year needed to snag 11.95 percent of the available VDS points to reach 10,000 points. The same percentage of this year’s available points would equal about 10,860 points. Am I going to redo all my calculations because of this? No. So there.

Speaking of percent of available VDS points: if, like me, you’re still satisfied with gunning for the 10K, you’ll need about 11 percent of this year’s available VDS points to hit your target. Through the end of Tirreno-Adriatico, 7813 points have been up for grabs. To be on track for 10,000, then, your team should have about 859 points. Well, does it?

He has no charisma--Thomas Dekker, on Cadel Evans

by majope on Mar 17, 2009 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I figure

That I’m at 924… so just barely.

Thanks for all your work on this majope.

Come on, man. I had a rough night and I hate the fuckin' Eagles, man!

by ELVISGOAT on Mar 17, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great work

A minor correction, the total points are 7883 and the 11 procent 867 points

by LittleOldLady on Mar 17, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oops--you're right.

I didn’t have it set up to add in the “lost” points, and I should have. Will fix the spreadsheet ASAP (in the next hour or so, anyway).

He has no charisma--Thomas Dekker, on Cadel Evans

by majope on Mar 17, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

It does!

Even with the Tyler F demotion (boooo!) I’m still at 938.

I’m shocked, believe you me.

by Ed K on Mar 17, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm at a nice even 1000

so much more aesthetically pleasing to look at than 1150 or 1186. (Pathetic attempt at a positive spin, I know—but at least I’m over the 11 percent line!)

He has no charisma--Thomas Dekker, on Cadel Evans

by majope on Mar 17, 2009 8:47 PM EDT reply actions  

1058

many thanks for the updates!

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Mar 17, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aw, shucks.

Numbers are fun!

Bennati went but I was able to get past him quite easily.--Mark Cavendish, Tirreno-Adriatico Stage 7

by majope on Mar 17, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great summary majope!

I’m at 1130 from seven riders.

I’m hoping the average team score is a good bit higher this year due to our posting. (No, I haven’t figured out the average team score last year yet.)

 I figure to fall behind a bit since I’m light on the cobbles, but I’ll come back.

by ursula on Mar 17, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

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