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MSR Week: Can Tyler Do It?

Milano-San Remo[And yes, if you haven't figured it out already, it is now officially MSR week.]

For US fans, one of the more pleasant surprises in a while was the win by Garmin's Tyler Farrar in stage 3 of Tirreno-Adriatico last week. Farrar, all of 24 years old, outkicked Mark Cavendish at the line -- literally, coming around to the left of the World's Fastest Man, where it seemed nobody, even the RAI announcers, saw him coming. This being in Italy, a week before the first Monument of the season, which happens to be a sprinters' affair about half the time, Farrar's win has to make you wonder... can he do it?

Probably not. But there is a chance.

Since 2000, the winners of La Primavera are, in order, Zabel, Zabel, Cipollini, Bettini, Freire, Petacchi, Pozzato, Freire and Cancellara. That's three wins to the clever classics guys, four to the pure field sprinters (including two guys who are hopeless in anything but), and two to the hybrid Zabel. The classics guys who can win will be the subject of a separate post, but for now, let's look at the sprinters. On the flip.

Star-divide

A short list of fast finishers, from the current startlist, includes Farrar, Cavendish, Thor Hushovd, Heinrich Haussler, Koldo Fernandez, Mirco Lorenzetto, Daniele Bennati, Petacchi, Tom Boonen, Allan Davis, Francesco Ginanni, Greg Van Avermaet, Robbie McEwen, Gerald Ciolek, and Matti Breschel. Basically the cream of the sprinting crop. You won't find a better field anywhere, other than maybe here in 2010 when (if) Freire can get healthy and rejoin the fun.

If a bunch sprint materializes, there are a few factors as to who can win it. First, the race is just shy of 300km, the longest single racing day in the saddle all year for most guys. Well, distance-wise; several names on this list will probably take some extra time on, say, the Cuneo-Pinerolo stage of the Giro or the Ventoux stage of the Tour. But anyway, it's an unusually long race, which disfavors anyone who isn't accustomed to/good at lengthening it out. The second biggest factor (or maybe the first) is the Poggio. Topping out at 6km from the line, it tends to stretch the race out quite a bit. Worse, the descent is very tricky and only flattens out a mere 3km from the finish. Nothing good can come of hammering your way to the front from km 295-297, only to try to launch a sprint in km 298, so the trick is to get to the Via Roma before at least a few of your sprint rivals.

Anyone on the list above can do this, and at most all you can say is that the Italians (who know the course) and the veterans (who've proven their ability to descend the Poggio) are safer bets than a 24-year-old American making his first appearance in the race. From this list, rate Tyler a longshot.

Still, just going by finishing skill you would have to pick Cavendish. The World's Fastest Man has won five of his seven sprints this year. His two losses? Last week, to Farrar, and the Modesto sprint in the ToC where he lost to Hushovd, Freire, Mark Renshaw, and Farrar. Boonen hasn't beaten Cav to the line since Ster Elektroer last June. Petacchi has never really gone head to head with the Manx Missile. Hushovd's win in Modesto is the sole instance where he's outdueled Cav, and arguably only when Cavendish was out of position. If beating Cavendish becomes the story, nobody has a better case to make than Farrar right now.

Length of the race doesn't seem like a huge problem for Farrar, though we will see. About the only comparable I can find is Paris-Tours, 250km in hot weather over a demanding course as sprinters' races go. There, Farrar took the bunch sprint for fifth last year, four seconds after the successful breakaway rolled in, so his beating McEwen, Bennati and Boonen to the line comes with some caveats about who was really racing for fifth.

The real challenge will be whether he can get into position. From his recent results against Cavendish, Farrar has an uncanny knack for being either right behind Cav or, on two occasions, just in front. But that alone may not save him, since Cavendish doesn't always get himself where he needs to be. Moreover, while Garmin have matured extremely quickly as a team, MSR is a unique race which they saw for the first time last year, with no discernible results. Farrar could use at least one teammate who's feeling strong and clever enough to shepherd their sprinter into place... not easy when 22 other teams are thinking the same thing. I don't know his every tendency, but Farrar blasted out of a large, fast-moving bunch when he outkicked Cavendish last week, so if he's in the finale with about two dozen other riders, locked onto Cav's wheel, as they barrel down the Via Roma, then he's got his chance.

Conclusion: it can be done, but it will take some magical racing, particularly in the last 20 minutes, and especially in the last 20 meters.

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Farrar himself says the distance might be a problem

He reckoned Dean might be their best bet on that distance (sandbagging?). Getting Fárrrrrrrrrrárrrrrr/Dean over the Poggio together smells like a decent weapon on Via Roma.

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 18, 2009 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Garmin may have missed on a notable finish results for MSR last year

but Will was out in the break for most of that race getting great publicity in their search for another solid sponsor. I’m pretty sure they were quite happy with their day there. :-)

I think in “normal” sprints Farrar is going to be giving Cav a good run for his money in every race they’re in together which will be fun to watch as a fan of both. I’m not sure what Tyler can do after a long day of riding though but I’m still hoping. Go Tyler Fardrdrdrdrdadrdrdrdrdraahh!

(P.S. I swear that the team or he himself has said it is pronounced Fair-a? Anyone?)

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Mar 18, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

If Farrarrarar can do it

Tom Leezer should also be on the list as a possible contender…

by Lopex on Mar 18, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Why?

I mean, I am sure he has the quality, so I don’t really disagree. But with Farrar we can point to a recent result, in Italy. If there’s a case for Leezer, I’m all ears.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 18, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

You said it yourself : Dutch Hegemony

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 18, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fine

My pick to win: da Large BOMB!

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 18, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

No mud forecast for Saturday

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 18, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's just that

I’d put as much money on Leezer winning as on Farharhar winning. Not a dime!

You gave the arguments yourself: unexperienced, young and afterwards you used some strange lines of reasoning to paint Farrar as a true dark horse. I mean, what are the chances of Cavendish getting over those climbs in one piece? He himself has said he is only participating to gain experience for later years.

by Lopex on Mar 18, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just endulge them, they haven't had a Monument-win since Twin Shady in 2003

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 18, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't get me started on Monument-wins

We had one since 1989. The shame is killing me!

by Lopex on Mar 18, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

But it was a beauty

My favourite one-day race evah. The mud, the Ludo, the teamwork, the desperate Hincapie……………….

Can we have a rainy P-R this year ? Pretty please?

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 18, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK

fair enough. I shouldn’t have implied that Farrar’s chances rest solely on following Cavendish. Hopefully if Cav sags back, Farrar will realize he needs to get himself over the Poggio regardless.

The one undeniable bit of evidence is Farrar’s win last week, in Italy, and I should mention he beat Bennati and Boonen that day too.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 18, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

One last argument from my side

And then I will stop disturbing your dreams. If a man wants to dream, who I’m I to come charging in with silly things as logic and reason. You’ll root for Farrar and I will yell for Leezer. That’s the fun about cycling isn’t it. If your dreams don’t come true there is always the next race.

My last argument:
Where there any climbs in the race Farrar won last week?

by Lopex on Mar 18, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

But he did pretty well in Paris-Tours, which has its share of short inclines.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 18, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Highly doubtful, but...

The only way I can see Farrar making it to the Finale and then sprinting for the win is if he is personally escorted the entire way by Julian Dean. I think Julian realizes that he’s not a bunch sprinter anymore, but can make it through a more challenging course and survive where other sprinters may not. He also has the experience to know what’s going on in a race like this, and can read it way better than Farrar could.

If Dean is content with Farrar on his wheel the entire race, and then lets Farrar sprint it out, I think there is a chance, albeit small. the biggest detriment in my opinion is the distance. I just don’t think the young American is going to last that long with the elite in the sport quite yet. I think Garmin is more likely to get a top 10 with Julian Dean then a Top 5 with Farrar.

I think this race will unfold with a much smaller selection than usual based on two factors (start speaking out of my ass now):

1. Lance is going to take a flyer on the Poggio and scare alot of riders into redlining too soon and burning out halfway up the climb.

2. Benatti, Boonen and Pozzato are the only ones to not freak out about Lance, catch him on the run-up to the line, and Boonen takes it with Pozzato in second and Benna in third. McEwen wins the sprint for fourth, about 27 seconds back.

Now you don’t have to worry about tv coverage for the race. you already know what’s going to happen.

by PopUp Rolen on Mar 18, 2009 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I missed one part

Is Cancer going to be among those who burn themselves up on the Poggio or is Lance going to beat it straight up and down in the sprint on Via Roma?

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 18, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya know, that line is gettinf awfully tired...

not that it wasn’t tired right from the start… nor is it amusing

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Mar 18, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

gettinf = getting

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Mar 18, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

apologies

Cancer is hitting pretty close to home for me this week so I need pretty desperately to make a joke out of it at the moment.

As for the original joke, I must say that it was far from tired. I would say it was pretty much the most inspired piece of cyclingrelated comedy ever.

But point taken, let’s move on.

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 18, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

and with that

Cancer gets relegated to pro-conti status.

Ah well.

by Sui Juris on Mar 18, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cancer failed a control

and has been suspended for 24 months pending appeal…

More Muur...

by Jimbo... on Mar 18, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

go ale-jet!!!!

just cause i’m american, it doesn’t follow that i’m a farrar fan
(why is that assumption made anyway?)

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Mar 18, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Who said you were a Farrar fan?

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Mar 18, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

No assumption

Though we do tend to take an interest in our own guys. I’m a fan of 150 riders at any given time, but if there’s a likeable American involved, I’ll probably look a bit closer than I would at the average European.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 18, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

prediction

Pozzato outkicking Bennati?

I dont see it, when Pozzato has won it is from jumping the sprinters early and holding it. He doesn’t have Benna’s jump. If its a field sprint I see either Bennati, Boonen, or Pettachi taking it. Possibly Thor , Cervelo’s train has been impressive lately.

by Huntero on Mar 18, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Thor is becoming a father any day now

He seems pretty fatalistic that it will happen on race day. He says though that if he gets the news during the race he will finish. The race goes in the direction of his Monaco home anyway , he jokes

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 18, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hm

I can speak from experience that nothing makes you turn the pedals faster than knowing your wife wants you home right now to deal with the kids.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 18, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he will do a Forrest Gump

and just keep sprinting through San Remo on to Monaco?

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 18, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey

on those little winding roads, is there a faster way? OK, he could use a motorpacing…

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 18, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeebus,that's an impressive sprinter list

Makes me think all the more that either Chavanel or Gilbert will render the sprint moot.

by ursula on Mar 18, 2009 4:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Before the season we were all pretty much agreed

that Cav in all likelyhood wouldn’t make it over the Poggio with the best, no?

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 18, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Did we?

We can be awfully hasty and judgmental in the offseason… I wouldn’t guarantee it, but he ought to be getting up the learning curve.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 18, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Repeat after me, Cav:

“Gravity is a harsh mistress.”

Cav may be getting better, but he’ll be scrubbed out of the bunch long before the Poggio.

by Softie on Mar 18, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

See...

Now I’ve got this vision of gravity all done up in goth makeup and skin tight PVC.

by Ed K on Mar 18, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just hoping for no field sprint

Monuments should never result in field sprints. I’m hoping for a surprise winner who jumps early.

Farrar is coming along right now, bigtime, but I think winning MSR is a bit much for him yet.

And: Boonen has been sitting out of sprints lately, intentionally. Makes me wonder what he has planned. Chav attacks early, forces a hard chase which Boonen sits onto before launching a hard solo?

"....Up Sestriere on a rental clunker in jeans and loafers? Brother, lemme buy you a beer."

by Rolls on Mar 18, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, no way does QS let this become a field sprint.
Boonen has been sitting out of sprints lately, intentionally. Makes me wonder what he has planned. Chav attacks early, forces a hard chase which Boonen sits onto before launching a hard solo?

That’s what makes the most sense to me.

by ursula on Mar 18, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.

QS too strong for that. And for Boonen to have won 2 Roubaix and 2 Flanders, geez he can win this one without a sprint if all went right. His early season antics maybe points to something like this.

"....Up Sestriere on a rental clunker in jeans and loafers? Brother, lemme buy you a beer."

by Rolls on Mar 18, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fly in the QS ointment:

Haussler. He’s shown repeatedly this winter that he’ll handle the Poggio and the distance, no problem. Not saying he trumps Quickstep but Cervelo in general have shown that they have the brainpower and they are bringing their A squad. Cervelo would also help the QS Chavanel-Boonen shuffle in whittling down the finale.

by ursula on Mar 18, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's assuming

Haussler did not peak early and will fade a little.

I keep that possibility open but I might be wrong.

by Lopex on Mar 18, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I saw no evidence of peaking at P-N

as he was schooling Lorenzetto. Cervelo to me just seems too smart a team to let him peak too soon.

He showed at P-N that the smaller climbs were no problem for him. You just don’t want to tow him to the line, though I’m sure Boonen would rather face him than a full-fledged bunch sprint.

by ursula on Mar 18, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

i recall

he said in a recent interview that he was purposely taking it easy at PN so as to not peak too early.

"Never swing a small stick. " Andy Hampsten

by Hons on Mar 18, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

There ya go.

I’m just so impressed by how Cervello built it’s Classics squad. Klier, Hammond, Hunt, Florencio, Rasch, Roulston… these guys will make sure the team is represented at the end. And HH is saving his strength.

by ursula on Mar 18, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not bad

starting from scratch.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 18, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

you guys have pretty much said it all about Cervelo and QS. if it came to a Chavanel-launched Boonen and a Cervelo-launched HH, i’d rather see the latter, notwithstanding my great respect for Chavanel.

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Mar 18, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frankly...

I’d damn well love to watch those two guys with a teammate or two each in a small group heading for the line in the last 3k. That would be one hell of a finish.

by Ed K on Mar 18, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

i haven't ;)

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Mar 19, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

but he won't be at MSR from the looks of it...

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Mar 19, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

seems Hunt isn't either...

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Mar 19, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well he was on the startlist I saw.

Guess it was a preliminary one. Still is on cyclingfever.

by ursula on Mar 19, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

i've checked two

and he’s not on either

here

or

here

they have Gerrans in

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Mar 19, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Henk Vogels hasn't forgotten Rollin

well, not talking about MSR but picks him as a wildcard for the podium at Paris-Roubaix (VN interview today).

by guidemd on Mar 19, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah I forget who it was, but someone said big horse would get on the podium at P-R

also anyone seen his profile on cervélo?

Favourite Ride: The next one

hahah classic

by Wireless on Mar 20, 2009 5:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

True.

Even the best-laid QS plans could be foiled, on any given day, as with any team, any race. And HH has been a mofo so far this year I agree. But he could be getting a lil tired now, I wonder about that too.

I wonder a lot. About too many things!

"....Up Sestriere on a rental clunker in jeans and loafers? Brother, lemme buy you a beer."

by Rolls on Mar 18, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haussler might not be tired just yet

This is what he said about MSR in CN:

“I know if my form stays like this I will have a go. I won’t hide,” Haussler told Cyclingnews. “In Paris-Nice I was not going to my limit because I wanted to make sure I could hold my form through until Paris-Roubaix. I got the win on the first day and it took the pressure off and allowed me to spend the rest of the race honing my training for the upcoming races.”

Bennati went but I was able to get past him quite easily.--Mark Cavendish, Tirreno-Adriatico Stage 7

by majope on Mar 18, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, thats the one I was thinking of

chapeau for reading my post above, then going back in time to post this one.

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by Hons on Mar 18, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I keep a TARDIS on hand for such occasions.

Bennati went but I was able to get past him quite easily.--Mark Cavendish, Tirreno-Adriatico Stage 7

by majope on Mar 18, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm afraid to ask... what is that exactly?

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Mar 18, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doctor Who, the TV series

It’s a time and space machine. In the series it looks like a 50’s London police box (or vaguely like an old phone booth).

by ursula on Mar 18, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

stands for "Time And Relative Dimension(s) In Space"

If you’ve never seen Doctor Who, Netflix has it on their streaming service. I’d start with the 2005 season. Great TV.

by ZoeRochelle on Mar 18, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

and when you step inside

it’s a big room, nothing at all like a phone box. saying something is “a tardis” means it’s small on the outside, big on the inside

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Mar 18, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boonen?

Boonen was arguably the most dominant field sprinter until Cav. came along..Now Cav wont make it over the poggio, if he even makes it that far. But, do you think we will now see Boonen become more of a break away rider? He has the sustained power, We know it from his roubaix and flanders results, he just hasn’t ever had to do it because its less work to win a field sprint.

by Huntero on Mar 18, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

That is exactly what I am wondering.

And he has firepower on the team to help him in that quest.

I dunno that solo is less work that a field sprint though. Harder, I’d say, but less luck required.

"....Up Sestriere on a rental clunker in jeans and loafers? Brother, lemme buy you a beer."

by Rolls on Mar 18, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boonen vs Farrar

Head to head they haven’t faced off much, but farrar beat him last week; missed the sprint that Boonen won in KBK, and their ToC meetings were a split decision.

To be clear, I’m not arguing that Farrar IS GOING TO WIN. I am simply posting about the fact that a young American on a likeable team can’t be ruled out.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 18, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

wish freire was healthy to ride

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by umwolverine on Mar 18, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Boonen if it's a sprint, Gilbert if a break goes on the Poggio

Most likely Boonen

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 18, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

You can't bring yourself

to admit that Thor is the favorite in a bunch gallop, can you?

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 18, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know I'm thinking Farrar more and more

Yup, definitely Farrar

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 18, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Manfully conceded

thanks.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 18, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ursula is my Hero
Thor is still remarkably slow for a sprinter.

From the Powerpoll

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 18, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

You come way to cheap, bub.

I was thinking I’d have to say something like, “Thor’s raging herpes outbreaks in the spring make him less of a favorite than most realize.”

by ursula on Mar 18, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

well um...

are we counting the entire herpes family (which is admittedly a really large family of disease causing organisms)?

by Ed K on Mar 18, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you guys know

so much about herpes?

"....Up Sestriere on a rental clunker in jeans and loafers? Brother, lemme buy you a beer."

by Rolls on Mar 18, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I do acupuncture

But what you should be asking is, “How do you guys know so much about Norwegians?”

by ursula on Mar 18, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

I live in Seattle…

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 18, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK!

How do you guys know so much about Norwegians?

Oh And: Could acupuncture help a guy with a foot and shoulder that are ridiculously, painfully stiff each morning (from recent bone breakage)? I’ll try anthing!

"....Up Sestriere on a rental clunker in jeans and loafers? Brother, lemme buy you a beer."

by Rolls on Mar 19, 2009 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I know nothing about Norwegians, except they come from that country west of Sweden

I’m just playing with our resident Swede, Jens.

And, yes, acupuncture should be able to help. Just be careful about paying $50 or more per session- you should pay way less unless there’s hardly any acupunks in your area.

by ursula on Mar 19, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK thanks

I’ll look into it. I hate pills, don’t want ‘em. I need another alternative, so maybe I’ll give this a shot. Been wondering about it.

"....Up Sestriere on a rental clunker in jeans and loafers? Brother, lemme buy you a beer."

by Rolls on Mar 19, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thor schmor...Cervelo should go into the race with HH as leader

Het Niewsbald win Shet Niewsblad win, HH is on better form and seems to have the speed to beat the best of the best at the moment(hopefully for the next 5 years as well). I don’t know if HH can do the 300 but if he can’t then they can go back to Thor, but I heard from a trusty source that Thor is remarkably slow for a sprinter.

Jay Cutler is an ungrateful punk....but please don't trade him!

by Phil H. on Mar 18, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Are you saying Thor has anal herpes? What exactly are you implying there huh?

excuse me while I go puke at the idea of Thor having what my above comment says.

Jay Cutler is an ungrateful punk....but please don't trade him!

by Phil H. on Mar 18, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just for the record

I would just like to make clear that I had nothing to do with the truly awful piece of norwegian slander.

This time, and this time only, I am completely innocent.

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 18, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

That doesn't mean you aren't silently enjoying it

but Ursula really needs to stop doing the dirty work for you, and I need to stop adding to that work. The Norwegian bashing is all yours.

Jay Cutler is an ungrateful punk....but please don't trade him!

by Phil H. on Mar 18, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two Sith-lords there must always be

one Master and one Apprentice
Strong in the Force Darth Ursula already is. One day we will rule the galaxy of Norway-bashing side by side.

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 18, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yes, of course, you keep telling yourself that

I am shivering at just the thought of an all-mighty Norway Bashing Force, just sooooo scary…oooohhhh

Jay Cutler is an ungrateful punk....but please don't trade him!

by Phil H. on Mar 18, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

That position might soon be available

The future Queen of Sweden just got engaged to a man whose underbite almost rivals hers. Any future offspring they have is surely doomed to die from drowning in the shower at an early age.

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 18, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hm

what’s with the brunette dye jobs?

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 18, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

And

with injection-molded heads. Creepy.

"....Up Sestriere on a rental clunker in jeans and loafers? Brother, lemme buy you a beer."

by Rolls on Mar 18, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

looks like an episode of Matlock

or are they the new Hart to Hart?

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Mar 18, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Either way.....definitely

Made for TV and photo ops!

What do royal families actually do other than cost a ton of money? I mean, can you sell advertising on her dress or his tie, to attract tourism or something? Think they’ve ever like, kissed or anything?

"....Up Sestriere on a rental clunker in jeans and loafers? Brother, lemme buy you a beer."

by Rolls on Mar 18, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

French actually, from Pau

We found ourselves a nice general in Napoleons army and made him king, way back when. The old royal bloodline had gone bad (what with the inbreeding and all) but these things are easily replaced.

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 19, 2009 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pau, eh

the most visited town in the Tour. Only other claim being that it was the setting for many of Dornford Yates’ books.

by Monty. on Mar 19, 2009 7:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

La Manie

I think the new climb has swung the balance a bit against the sprinters.

But if it is a bunch sprint, Petacchi will take it from Hushovd

by William H on Mar 18, 2009 5:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Percorso eval

coming soon. Right ursula? OK, Ok, I’ll do it…

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 18, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, that baby's yours.

Ha! No I also want to read what you have to say about La Manie.

by ursula on Mar 18, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ja, no Via Roma

They aren’t finishing on the Via Roma this year – it’s the same finish as last year. Could suit a guy like Gilbert or Pozzato this time. It also could end in a sprint, but more likely a gruppo ristretto.

I can do up some blah blah on the course if you’d like…

by Jen See on Mar 18, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I prefer a gruppo macchiato

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 18, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

anch' io

or a Gilbert would do nicely otherwise…

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Mar 18, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

si

Gilbert would be sweet.

If you watch last year’s finish again, Cance makes it away clean. But more interestingly for thinking about this year’s race, the main field does not catch the chase group. So, I could easily see a gruppo ristretto – like a dozen doods – making the finish this year. It really depends on how strong QuickStep turns out to be this time around. And how many teams are looking for an attacking race.

Interesting that Liquigas is bringing Basso and Nibali, in addition to Benna. Nibali. Heh, intriguing this kid.

by Jen See on Mar 18, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

i just watched that in your thread

and agree. Gilberrrra was definitely on forrrma and perhaps his slowish start this year belies some readiness to hit it again this year…

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Mar 18, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

heart me some RAI spelling ;-)

by Jen See on Mar 18, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does Cassani have a speech impediment

according to Italians? Never heard another Italian speak like him.

by tedvdw on Mar 18, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dunno

I wonder if he had a regional accent before he started doing broadcasting, and tried to lose it. It always sounds to me like he’s over-enunciating. He’s very easy for me – non-native – to understand, while some of the riders are eh, much more difficult.

by Jen See on Mar 18, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

they are heelahrrreeeooosss...

but like Gav says, strangely easier to understand with all those elongated syllables. from what i remember of my time in Italy, it was spoken faster and shorter and was definitely harder to keep up with.

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Mar 18, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

teevee announcers are almost always easier to understand than normal human beings. more enunciatin’

except mexican soccer announcers. then, pretty much all you’re going to get in the GOOAAAAAALLLLLLL part. otherwise, forget it.

by Jen See on Mar 19, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Basso’s interviews are always amusing too. “io… credo queeee… blah blah” very slow.

huh, how does one say blah blah in italian?

by Jen See on Mar 19, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Say?

Pffft, that one’s done with gestures and faces.

by Monty. on Mar 19, 2009 7:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sure!

There are only another 17 MSR posts swimming in my brain, looking for an exit. Glad to let you take this one. Already you know more about the course than me.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 18, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

17?! Sheesh, man, don’t hurt yourself or anything ;-)

Okee, I’m on for the course thingy, no problemo.

by Jen See on Mar 18, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahem

Monument? Italy? This is no time for restraint.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 18, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Restraint? What is this restraint you speak of?

by Jen See on Mar 18, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey...

Speaking of monuments, Italy and such, how ‘bout a color change? We haven’t had one lately.

Just for funsies and stuff.

by Jen See on Mar 18, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't make me dig up your posts from previous years

where you said you thought that Milano San Remo was boring. Cause I just figured out how to use the search function.. I think

More Muur...

by Jimbo... on Mar 18, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

That

was a more extreme form of irrationality. Don’t be fooled.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 18, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Graphics comment: Milan - San Remo instead of Milano - San Remo

for shame Gav and Veloki, for shame.

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 18, 2009 6:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Eh...

We’ve gone English on most of the graphics, so stayed with it.

Dunno, we can probably change it if it’s a big dealio.

by Jen See on Mar 18, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol no surely not a big deal

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 18, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Just trying to keep the people happy ;-)

by Jen See on Mar 18, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

and paint it

a more appreciative shade of green?

by Monty. on Mar 18, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

But but but

What if a Norwegian wins it?

by ursula on Mar 18, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then we have to replace the page background with the norwegian flag...

and title all the races in their Norsk equivalents.

And get Jens anger management counseling, of course.

by Ed K on Mar 18, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

We will turn on the new feature

that automatically translates all of Jens comments into Norwegian…

More Muur...

by Jimbo... on Mar 18, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know

we get like 10 hits a day from Norway. I sure hope these folks either get the joke, or just blame the Swedes for whatever is happening.

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 18, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you kidding...

They’re loving watching the Swedish guy have hysterics every time Thor wins.

by Ed K on Mar 18, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

No no

I was just worrying if someone on the Dark Side won. What is Norsk for Sanremo? It’s gotta be baaaaad.

by ursula on Mar 18, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well in that case

I will only refer to Chris’s favorite football club as FC Rome.

Jay Cutler is an ungrateful punk....but please don't trade him!

by Phil H. on Mar 18, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

And their rivals

S.S. Lazy

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 18, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

and if you want to be really picky

then stick to the oficial Sanremo spelling instead of the fascist one.

by Monty. on Mar 18, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

These Cafe people, so demanding ;-)

by Jen See on Mar 18, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

San Remo is fascist?

Oy. Like the black claws on the Flemish lion… I hereby absolve the entire Podium Cafe from understanding foreign political microsymbols.*

[*absolution not admissible in court]

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 19, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

common usage in English

I think we’re pretty much absolved on this one, because it’s common usage in English and we’re an English language site.

If we are an Italian language site and perpetually used the San Remo spelling, that would be a political statement.

Spelling’s hard enough without making it political ;-)

by Jen See on Mar 19, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I blame

Las Vegas. In particular, the great deals on hotel rooms at the San Remo.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 19, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blame Vegas!

I’m totally down with that :-)

by Jen See on Mar 19, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Las Vegas and San Remo

two cities forever linked by their love of cheesy music

by Monty. on Mar 19, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

unlike last year

i think next weekend will be a bunch sprint. No Cancellara oor Gilbert in super shape to shake the sprinters teams. And the only right now i believe capable to doing this, is S Chavanel or maybe Flecha, but both have sprinters in there team. It would be fantastic a Rabo without Freire, so they could do some TTT betwen penultimate climb and Pogio.

About Farrar i honestly don’t believe that he will win this race this year, maybe a podium. But a win, i think will be the surprise of the year. He never show me, class to win a race like this, as simple as that.

by semprenaroda on Mar 18, 2009 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

No sprinter for Rabo

Well, Leezer maybe. Or unless you call Horillo or Hayman sprinters …

Juan Antonio Flecha
Pedro Horrillo
Mathew Hayman
Nick Nuyens
Sebastian Langeveld
Joost Posthuma
Maarten Tjallingii
Tom Leezer

by tedvdw on Mar 18, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rabo

I’m interested to see what these kids do this time. Langevelde was a the front over the Poggio last year, chasing for Freire.

by Jen See on Mar 18, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh!!

i just forgot that Freire is injury. So i’m waiting for what can Rabo will do!!

by semprenaroda on Mar 18, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is a guy like Poosthuma doing MSR?

He’s developing into a super-strong rider but why waste his energy here? Any thoughts?

Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.

by Jens on Mar 19, 2009 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's the classics squad

They’ve been together all spring now. Ready to unleash havoc on the cobbles.

by Lopex on Mar 19, 2009 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

So knowing Rabo's cobbles tactics

they’re probably veer off course looking for cobbles, though only after insuring a Quickstep win.

by ursula on Mar 19, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I suspect a conspiracy

They helped Chavanel in P-N and now it’s payback time! Erik Dekker himself will win MSR.

by Lopex on Mar 19, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is not impossible

Because looky here: http://www.rabosport.nl/kalender (“MSR > selectie”), he is their first reserve!

by tedvdw on Mar 19, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

yah

The Monuments don’t favor the kids, although Pippo and Cancellara were both fairly young winners.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 18, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

So without focussing on the details

Is it irrational to expect Flecha to launch off the front with 3km to go and get caught under the 1km kite?

by muk on Mar 18, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dunno

That seems awfully late. How about going up the Poggio?

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 18, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

and

MSR’s winners tend to be older than most any other race on average (Paris-Roubaix tends to have the oldest winners.)

by ursula on Mar 18, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm with you!

youth is, indeed, wasted on the young in this case…

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Mar 18, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cavendish

Cavendish seems to think he needs a few more years before he can really contest this one. There’s an interview up around somewheres. Heh, not sure where I saw it, actually. I know, I know, lame-o Gav ;-)

by Jen See on Mar 18, 2009 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

VN

And he’s sandbagging.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 18, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

I’m not so sure. It took Cipollini 14 attempts to win this one, and that was with the traditional finish.

by Jen See on Mar 18, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

It does sound like

this is his biggest target this spring.

by Monty. on Mar 19, 2009 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fränk Schleck injured

Crashed yesterday, hurt his wrist and will miss the MSR.

No longer that I call them tights, I call them freedom ware.

by TheFigurehead on Mar 19, 2009 7:55 AM EDT reply actions  

And you guessed it...
The rider from Luxembourg skidded with his front wheels during a training ride and crashed in a curve going downhill.

He Schlecked.

by Ed K on Mar 19, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is Saxo cursed?

This luck never happened with CSC. Not the Schlecked part but both Schlecks and Cancellara. Like their three best riders all out at once.

by ursula on Mar 19, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Andy will ride

Andy Schleck, Matti Breschel, Marcus Ljungqvist, Karsten Kroon, Stuart O’Grady, Kurt-Asle Arvesen, Kasper Klostergaard and someone who will replace Fränk.

No longer that I call them tights, I call them freedom ware.

by TheFigurehead on Mar 19, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know, I like guy, but . . .

 . . . no.

Not this year, and maybe not ever.
He doesn’t have things together this year to pull it on at MSR.
Not gonna happen.
No way.

by Ryan_Liles on Mar 19, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

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