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Preseason Cobbles Power Poll!

Powerpoll_mediumN.b., this post is vastly different than Ursula's, which looks at how teams are going. This is about who's got what it takes on the cobbles. It's also a preseason marker, to measure my humility against later.

First, a definition: the Cobbles Season started for sure Saturday, and depending on your definition it ends on or about April 15, when the bunch sprints out the finale of the Scheldeprijs. Counting all three days of the bread, that's twelve days of racing over about six and a half weeks, with interruptions for Paris-Nice, Tirreno-Adriatico, and Milano-San Remo.

Some teams would settle for a single victory, or a podium at the two big prizes of Paris-Roubaix and the Tour of Flanders. Others are honing in on an epic win in Ninove or Roubaix. Only the best teams are looking at the next 6.5 weeks as a season unto itself.

Let's explore what that takes, and who's got it, on the flip.

Star-divide

The three most important elements of a great northern classics team are:

  1. a top-flight finisher
  2. at least two more threatening riders
  3. the usual team support
This is a pretty good formula for most races, but is spot on for hard, windy, but relatively flat races. Races won by subtle attrition (as opposed to the more blunt forms, e.g. Alpe d'Huez) or in sprints. Without further ado, here are your Top Ten Northern Classics teams, as of the opening weekend:

1. Quick Step

There simply isn't another finisher like Tom Boonen, who gives DS Patrick Lefevre an ace to play almost every day. His combined sprinting and general power are unmatched in Cycling, and creates ripples across the Flemish cycling landscape. The clearest example of the Boonen Effect is Stijn Devolder's win at Flanders last year: Boonen was quite strong, which made it pretty hard for anyone to focus on tracking down Devolder, as long as it entailed delivering an unshakeable Boonen to the finish. Devolder soloed home, and a week later when he didn't have it at P-R, Boonen simply stuck to Cancellara and Ballan, and dusted them in the Velodrome. Tommeke isn't always Superhuman, but at his undroppable best he makes it very, very hard to beat Quick Step.

Quick Step have excellent fallback plans in Devolder and Sylvain Chavanel, whose skills are further enhanced by Boonen's willingness to be a good teammate -- when they go on the attack, it's not a bluff. Then there's DeJongh, Weylandt, Barredo, and a long list of able lieutenants. Quick Step do little outside Belgium, but at home they're a veritable fortress.

2. Saxo Bank

The greatness of Boonen is further evident when you look at Saxo, a team equal in riches but without the closer. Twice they have taken Paris-Roubaix (a very unique race) from Quick Step by galloping away from Boonen, but to achieve this they had to weaken and/or isolate him. When Boonen was back to his best in 2008, battling Fabian Cancellara mano-a-mano, he simply took Cance (and Ballan) on the line. The recently-improved supporting cast makes Boonen less vulnerable. 

But Riis has plenty of weapons: a dynamic, powerful and crafty captain in Tony Spartacus, elite fallback plans in O'Grady, Arvesen, and Kroon, and more than enough supporters. In particular, Cancellara is a natural for Paris-Roubaix, where you can power away from the group -- even from Boonen -- on the cobbles. The winds were easier on the pack last year; in a sidewind year, Cancellara probably wins that race. Anyway, if Matti Breschel could carry his sprint to the line, he could give them a top-line duo that would really pressure Quick Step, but til then it's an uphill battle.

3. Rabobank

A slightly poorer-man's Saxo Bank. Actually, that gap may be closing in terms of points, but their makeup is rather dissimilar. Where Saxo have a regular core of youngish veterans who have been racing together for a while, Rabo are a strange brew of slightly old and really young, in constant flux. The biggest factor in this is the Rabobank Cycling Plan, where the sponsor's investments in young teenagers a decade ago is starting to bear a lot of fruit. All well and good, but their long-time cobbles leader Juan Antonio Flecha isn't ready to step aside for the kids. The Spanish Flandrian is a cobbles icon, but he hasn't ever actually won there, peaking with a second in the 2007 Paris-Roubaix. In fact, the only finisher on Rabo is Oscar Freire, and only in certain races, and even then only when he's healthy, which unfortunately he isn't right now.

So Rabo are left with a bunch of guys looking to spring the trap: Flecha, Langeveld, Nuyens, Posthuma... quite a stable actually, with Mollema and Lars Boom waiting in the wings. What you get from them then is what we saw Saturday, a wave of talent and aggression washing over the race, but trouble working it out in the end. One more year, perhaps...

4. Silence-Lotto

I am starting them off a little low for one reason: their closer of the future is Greg Van Avermaet, and I suspect he could use a little more seasoning before we start rating him for de Ronde. So, like Rabo and Saxo, Lotto are a tad light on the finishing end of things. Beyond that, however, they line up very nicely, perhaps even a bit easier to plan with. Their guys looking to gallop away are Philippe Gilbert and Leif Hoste, with a fair amount of support riders to help out. If things hang together, you could do worse than hope for Van Avermaet to negotiate the finish. The pressure is on Gilbert, though, to wipe away the sting of Leif Hoste's near-misses, and Gilbert is proven only in the earlier races, not in the monuments. He can be a star if he stops attacking with 75km to go. [Update: Phil points out that Gilbert isn't slated to race the cobbles, so it's more Van Avermaet and Hoste. NEW update: PG is back ON for de Ronde!] Once he takes on that role, Hoste can suddenly look for his own opportunities with fewer people watching, knowing also that except for Quick Step other teams will be wary of towing Van Av to the line. They have had a couple fallow years on home soil, this weekend included, so I'll take a wait-and-see approach.

5. Team Columbia-High Road

Very, very intriguing team this year. Marcus Burghardt's fifth at the Omloop suggests that he may be ready to return to the mix of potential young classics stars. If so, you have more of what Saxo brings: waves of talent with no obvious finisher. Burghardt, Hincapie, Eisel, Boasson Hagen, maybe Cavendish or Renshaw in the sprinters' events. Obviously Cavendish is the fastest man in the world, so you can mark him down for the Scheldeprijs again. Otherwise, they need to plan carefully to spring Hincapie or Burghardt. Eisel can be counted on to make things interesting; maybe one of these days he will unleash a sprint. Columbia also appear outwardly to have a more cooperative approach, a la Saxo, which is a true asset.

6. Lampre

Tough to pick between them and Columbia for fifth, but Lampre have traditionally been a bit thin. Their finale guy is current world champion Alessandro Ballan, though as a sprinter we know he can beat Hoste, but that's about it. The signing of the year, however, may be Enrico Gasparotto, a veteran cobbles stud who can win out of the right group. He and Ballan are well-matched, and Gaspa can count on the rainbow jersey drawing off the attention. Simon Spilak appears to have a future in this sub-discipline too, it seems, though that may call for some patience. Lampre don't have the gravitas to control the peloton in Belgium, but as long as they can follow the teams that do, they are very, very dangerous.

7. Cervélo Test Team

Boy, I really didn't expect to be saying this, but the newly formed Knights of é announced their presence with authority this weekend. In terms of my three elements, they are a complete anomaly: two true finishers in Thor Hushovd and Heinrich Haussler, then very little else. Yes, Andreas Klier is one of those guys who you can count on seeing late in the race, and Roger Hammond's cobbles pedigree is beyond question. But the potential winners are Hushovd and Haussler, two guys who don't make the finale all that often, but are capable of outsprinting everyone when they do. Keep an eye on Dominique Rollin too.

8. Team Katyusha

Apart from, oh, the top three, Katyusha could land anywhere on this list. I'll park them behind the Knights of é for now, after their hot start and Katyusha's ill fate -- Filippo Pozzato crashed in the Omloop finale (when Langeveld knocked him off a potential winning sprint). Still, they have as many as three finishers: Steegmans, McEwen (in certain races), and Pozzato. I'm not crazy about the first two, but Pozzato is an underrated dangerman, IMHO. Italian fans seem a little impatient with him, and he sounds stressed in recent interviews, but the guy can hammer, climb and sprint (hello Tour of Flanders!) and even without catching many breaks he still boasts a fair track record. One of these days he'll make it through a monument without losing focus or multiple punctures, and win his second (along with MSR 2006). Anyway, Katyusha are a fairly new collection, so expecting big things right away might be a bit much. Watch out for Kenny DeHaes, BTW, when Steegmans or McEwen don't make the sprint.

9. Milram

Well the Milk Boys aren't a waste of space anymore now, are they? OK, Peter Velits crashed hard Saturday, but having two talented kids in the finale bodes well. Gerald Ciolek may have a future on the cobbles, and Peter Wrolich can stay within sight of the front. This is a work in progress, but if Ciolek can develop quickly enough, his dangerous sprinting talent would really pay dividends for the team, allowing Terpstra and Velits to try a few moves. All very early, so don't expect much, but at least, for once, Milram are interesting.

10. Liquigas

Pozzato's defection leaves them thin for Belgium, and they may only be keeping the last Top Ten spot warm for a continental team (Landbouwkrediet?) or Bweeg-Box. Manuel Quinziato and Daniele Bennati are both very fast finishers, if you can get them to the final KM, which Quinziato more than Bennati is likely to do. After that, they will struggle to show themselves in the Cobbles.

It's true that the conversation starts and ends with Boonen for these races. If he is motivated and fit for the win, then the entire race becomes a test to see whether his rivals can isolate him and leave him unable to control the race. Lefevre has done his best to take that work off Boonen's hands, spending a lot of money on Devolder and now Chavanel, so acing out the ace is harder than ever. But it is hardly impossible, and the amount of talent injecting itself into the Northern Classics is through the roof these days. These are initial ratings, which I'll update each week until it's time to preview Amstel Gold.

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I think Lotto's Problems

Lie moreso with who is directing them from the car. It seems as though Lotto had more success with Demol than with the current squad of driver’s/DS’s.
They also need to decide who to work for. Gilbert is stronger and smarter than Hoste, but you will never get Hoste to work all out for the new guy nomatter how strong Gilbert may look. As for VanAvermet, he could use a little more direction. Maybe another classics season of working for the others?
It all boils down to too many leadout/workhorse guys who think they should be the leader.

by jaymo on Mar 2, 2009 4:57 PM EST reply actions  

Demol

has a pretty fair record, doesn’t he?

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 2, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

did demol

ever work for lotto?? when?

He was with usps from at least 2001 to 2006, then quick-step for a year, then back to Astana.

by R Mc on Mar 2, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Deciding who to work for

Part of what separates the top two teams is that they are all OK with working for whoever is best. I’d put Columbia in that category, and maybe it’s not relevant to the lower teams. But Rabo, Silence — the egos seem to be a problem.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 2, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

In the end... do you think Boonen was ok with how Flander's turned out last year?

I remember news coverage seemed to show he had a forced grin and standard “good win for the team” expressions… but he wasn’t exactly as rapturous about Devo’s win as he seemed to be with other teammate’s wins in other races (I’m thinking of a picture of a tour stage that Steegman’s won with Boonen about 15 wheels back; arms in the air and cheering).

Dude... why WOULDN'T Thor ride the chicken?

by crashdan on Mar 2, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh

There’s always some teeth-gnashing at first, but I think he was OK, at least a week later when he had his fun.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 2, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Ronde is too big a race too just forget about

the minute you cross the line. He knew he had the legs. When i saw him go over the Muur (LIVE!) he didn’t look so hot but when you watch video he looks pretty sharp.

by Jens on Mar 2, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

MSR

Remember him waving his arms when Pippo won MSR? Of course, that’s not as big to a Belgian, but I’ll never forget that picture.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 2, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Boonen is pretty cool with the fact

that he has to watch others win from time to time. He’s not Merckxlike in that respect. Seems pretty patient knowing there will be years for him to win all the races he wants.

If anything the pressure from the belgian press is what would make his life miserable when teammates win instead of him.

by Jens on Mar 2, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Indeed

He probably wasn’t happy at de Ronde last year after two fallow springs, but as long as he gets his, he is nice about sharing.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 2, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I think the it's the pressure of the press which is the big factor for him.

He really seemed quite cross last year that the press were asking why he didn’t win Flanders, when it was clear tactics meant that he didn’t have a free hand to. The pressure he’s under is ridiculous which makes his ‘I told you so’ win at P-R last year all the more impressive.

by Albertina on Mar 3, 2009 7:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I remember that too

I don’t think you can expect the same reaction when you watch your teammate cross the line like at MSR compared with rolling in with the chasing bunch a minute later as at Flanders last year. Even if you have the same feelings about both it would be natural for the reaction at Flanders to be more muted (or forced) – there isn’t that immediate thrill of the win pumping through your veins.

by Rothko on Mar 2, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the same thing seems to be...

a key characteristic of both Cervelo and Saxo a lot of the time (last year’s tour was a prime example). Interesting that riders from all those teams, when interviewed, will talk glowingly about team unity and all working for the team, and you’ll believe them since they often seem so genuinely happy to be part of it. Garmin fits in here too, fairly obviously, but I’m speaking about the teams that have noticably kicked ass recently, and Garmin hasn’t quite done that yet.

by Ed K on Mar 2, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

six weeks

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 2, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

If you can remember

how to spell Ghislain then you’ll never have that problem again

by Monty. on Mar 2, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

that’s easy compared to Poelvoorde!

by plinytheelder on Mar 2, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

WTF is it with the Flemish and vowels, anyhow?

They seem to have an even more unreasonable affection for them than the English (not Americans, English).

All hail Noah Webster.

by Ed K on Mar 2, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

then there's the opposite, Serbo-Croatian

I tried to learn some once. Distinct lack of vowels. Death = smrt…summit = vrh (I love that one)…island (if I remember right) = ostrvo. Lucky no one pays attention to the “Beograd-Vrbas-Beograd” semi-classic, or the esteemed “Tour of Crna Gora.”

by plinytheelder on Mar 2, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

This wrings the maple syrup from my soul to say

but i’m not sure if we are going to see Rollin in the finishing acts of the cobbles this year. I will be the happiest of happy if he is, but I think he may need a season to addapt to Euro racing. Similar to Haedo.

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by Hons on Mar 2, 2009 5:38 PM EST reply actions  

Gilbert isn't doing anymore cobbles this year

he’s off to do the ardennes, and will prepare by riding Pais Vasco, no Flanders or Roubaix for Philippe. Thus GVA is keen on being leader, he has said he believes that he desrves the right to be leader this year….really letting an uncontested Vuelta sprint jersey get to his head it seems.

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by Phil H. on Mar 2, 2009 6:25 PM EST reply actions  

He was not happy post-ronde last year

Very p*d off that they had to babysit \o/ back after 13 punctures instead of riding for themselves.

by Jens on Mar 2, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure he's also doing

MSR and Brabanste Pijl as well before the Ardennes races. It’s really only Flanders that he’s missing I think. E3 is on the same w/end as Brabanste Pijl and I’m not sure he rode Dwars or G-W last year – certainly missed P-R.

by Rothko on Mar 3, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Gilbert's schedule from his webpage:

- Fayt-le-Franc [Le Samyn]

- Paris-Nice

- Milan Sanremo

- Flèche Brabançonne [Brabanste Pijl]

- Tour du Pays-Basque

- Amstel Gold Race

- Flèche Wallonne

- Liège-Bastogne-Liège

Google is my domestique.

by majope on Mar 3, 2009 8:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Paris-Nice

He’ll ride with Evans. I wonder what his role will be. Dekker will lead SIL at TA.

by Lopex on Mar 3, 2009 8:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Gilbert said he will be looking for a stage win in Paris-Nice.

Here.

Evans in L’Equipe today says he’s doing P-N for preparation, especially to test equipment, without worrying about results.

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by majope on Mar 3, 2009 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

If traditions mean anything

he will go for the GC, poorly “supported” by Cadel in an effort to build team harmony before the TdF.

by Jens on Mar 3, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Dekker still has a minor rib injury

A fracture in the cartilage between his muscles. A small hindrance and he intends to start T-A.

by Lopex on Mar 3, 2009 7:33 AM EST up reply actions  

And I can't wait to be there.....

One of the reasons , well two of the reasons why I extended my trip..

Bring it on!!!!

We don't stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we stop playing.
George Bernard Shaw, 1856-1950

by CycleGirl on Mar 3, 2009 8:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Gilbert and Ardennes

I’m intrigued by the idea of Gilbert in the Ardennes. I think those races will suit his tactical talents, but I’m not so sure he has the climbing speed or the finish to win them. Amstel, maybe. Liège, I’m not so sure.

by Jen See on Mar 3, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more - and only time will tell

I thought he did a bang up job in the early classics last year and was perfectly suited for Flanders (and even PR). The switch to the Ardennes is intriguing – does he have the extended power needed for 2-3K climbs instead of 600-800m climbs?

We’ll find out in late April.

"I didn't look for him and I didn't see him. If you base your race on another rider, most of the time you lose."

Tom Boonen

by Drew Davis on Mar 3, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

ja

That, and those races aren’t really all that often won solo. They are typically won from a small group, and require a fast finish. Not sure he quite has that, but really, we won’t know ’til we see him go after it.

One of the things I’m looking forward to this season actually – how Gilbert rides the Ardennes.

by Jen See on Mar 3, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

First years he was around

it was always assumed that he would be an ardennes-guy, specially since he is walloon and spoke of L-B-L a his homerace. He never showed much there though and I am, as you, sceptical that this is where his focus should be.

Ardennes don’t favour younglings though , you need the acumulated hardness that come with age in cycling. Perhaps he is ready for those races now?

by Jens on Mar 3, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

To me it’s all about his strength, not power. Power is needed to get up those short grunts in Flanders, extended strength is required for the long hauls of the Ardennes.

Appartently he feels he’s got that so we’ll just have to wait. I hope he does, otherwise he might really have wasted a spring in his prime.

"I didn't look for him and I didn't see him. If you base your race on another rider, most of the time you lose."

Tom Boonen

by Drew Davis on Mar 3, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

"Never showed much"

Yeah, it’s not that he hasn’t been doing these races, just not placing that highly:

2008—29th in Amstel Gold; 92 in LBL
2007—18th in Fleche Wallonne; 15th in LBL
2006—69th in AG; 21st in FW; 38th in LBL.

Although the two top-20 finishes in ‘07 aren’t bad. If he could improve on those, he could get some good placings this year. Or maybe he’ll ride support for Dekker (who came in 5th, 5th, and 6th last year) and Dekker will return the favor elsewhere.

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by majope on Mar 3, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Those years

he rode the Ardennes after a full Flanders circuit, so if anything the truth is that he probably moves up just by resting a little more in early April.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 3, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Ja

It should help that he isn’t racing as hard before he gets to the Ardennes. They certainly aren’t races for tired legs.

I can see him at Flèche-Wallone without too much difficulty. But Liège seems like a stretch – They typically fly up La Redoute, then the real race starts.

LOL, well, we can’t have a Wallon riding well in Vlaanderen races, now can we? ;-)

by Jen See on Mar 3, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

hey don’t forget Criquielion! ;)

by plinytheelder on Mar 3, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Whiner!

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by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 3, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

News flash

Silence wants Gilbert to ride De ronde van Vlaanderen anyway. According to team management he has a better chance to shine there.
They’re not sure if Gilbert agrees though.

by Lopex on Mar 4, 2009 4:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Milram

Servais Knaven is in good health again. The experienced rider is supposed to coach Ciolek through the cobbles. Last weekend he came down with the flu but he is up and running again.

by Lopex on Mar 4, 2009 4:39 AM EST reply actions  

running? I hope he recheck his contract before his first race..

Finding out you have to be on the sadle for 6 hours isn’t really comfortable when you thought you where goiong to run…

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by Frinking on Mar 4, 2009 6:59 AM EST up reply actions  

And isn't Knaven about 46?

Seems like he’s been around since Lemond’s last year.

"I didn't look for him and I didn't see him. If you base your race on another rider, most of the time you lose."

Tom Boonen

by Drew Davis on Mar 4, 2009 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't mess with Knaven!

The guy is 37 and still going strong. Winner of P-R 2001. The first Dutch winner of a cycling monument since 1988 and the only Dutch winner in the 21th century.

by Lopex on Mar 4, 2009 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

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