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Breaking! A Bike Race Breaks Out In The Middle Of A Soap Opera! The Castile y Leon Preview!

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As Chris noted, now the Northern Classics begin in earnest. However, racing doesn't stop elsewhere, especially in Spain where the non-Belgian paparazzi will burst forth in search of their Hero in his latest installment of As The Stomach Turns.

What am I talking about? There's two types of bike races going on this week. In Belgium there's one type full of attacking and countering and dirt and cobbles and grit and sprinters, etc. In contrast, Spain is hosting two other types of bike races. First, for the small minority who think Belgian racing is cool, who look at the words, "Dwars door Vlaanderen" and don't think about opening the door to the Scotch cabinet, or who see the phrase "E 3" and don't think of a) a European highway running from Cherbourg to La Rochelle, or b) the yearly big video game convention, there's an off-Broadway preview of this summer's Grand Tour GC battles, the Castile y Leon. Second, there's the Big Soap Opera. Perhaps you've heard of it...

This race around Castile and Leon easily transcends professional bike racing because of one rider. You know who I'm talking about. A true superstar of the sport, this rider is thought by some to be the best rider competing today.  Attention follows him everywhere he goes because even in his youth he was thought of as a can't miss talent. Now he's older and there's a young upstart on his team, making news on his own by winning bike races. Naturally Our Hero is asked about this kid and even though Our Hero is Straightforward and honest in his answers, noting that the kid has a way to go to be considered truly great (like himself), people take his comments the wrong way and think Our Hero is becoming a cancer on his own team. How can that be? Everybody hates cancer!

But that's not the only controversy as long-standing doping allegations continue to plague Our Hero. Will they never stop? So far Our Hero has responded to the charges with aggressiveness, saying that he's clean beyond a shadow of a doubt. We wonder, can all this controversy stop Our Hero from focusing on his one Big Goal in cycling, namely competing winning in the Tour de France? It seems like every publication, every blog site, breathlessly awaits the form Alejandro Valverde will show at Castile y Leon... 

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Noticeably not on the Caisse d'Epargne team for the race is Lulu Sanchez, of whom Valverde recently said, is "no Indurain". (Lulu is riding Criterium International next weekend) However old pal Oscar Pereiro Garcia Acosta, Gutierrez, Pasamontes, Losada and others will carry the water. It should be a good team.

Now here's where it gets interesting. Two weeks ago, it was reported that CONI was set to decide on Valverde's fate the next week. "Next week" means last week for those who don't have a TARDIS, meaning that for some reason, CONI's delayed their verdict. What could be holding them up? What follows is wild, baseless, speculation: i.e. exactly why you are reading this post. 

The last we heard, Valverde's lawyer sent a 21-page document to CONI saying that only Spanish authorities have jurisdiction in the case. So either that document has slowed down the process (meaning that it might have some merit after all) or there is behind the scenes bargaining going on and the outcome is not yet ready to be revealed to the public, or perhaps CONI is looking to make the biggest splash possible and will suspend (and UCI will back-up) Valverde during the middle of Castile & Leon. Boy would that provoke a reaction! Any way you look at it, the world will be looking at Valverde starting tomorrow.

Now as a website dedicated to professional bike racing we would be remiss to talk about Valverde's competitors but before we do that (giving ourselves time to let the implications of Valverde's week to sink in) let's look at the course.

It's a good one. Five days of racing. Stages one and five are flat sprinters courses with barely a hill in them. Not much of a chance for a breakaway to succeed those two days. The middle three days though...

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Stage two is a 28.3 km ITT. Has a slight rise in the middle. Obviously this will test the riders, but it might not be the decisive stage. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stages three and four are both mountain top finishes, with stage three the more gradual:

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Stage four is the Queen stage:

That's it. Castile and Leon is a straightforward, functional stage race for GC hopefuls. No hilly stages where a rider can break away and hide. If you want the GC title you better climb and TT fast. One or the other is not enough. Three days of racing- Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday - will decide this race. Simple. 

Given that there are several Grand Tour hopefuls in this race we'll get a very early gauge on their forms. So who are these other riders, Valverde's competitors, those little people who serve to show off Alejandro's greatness?

- Although Valverde is racing, it is thought by some bicycle insiders that one Alberto Contador of team Astana is the pre-race favorite being that he's won various Grand Tours recently. L script> 07"> // --> ike Lulu Sanchez, Contador is also a kid and thus prone to Big Mistakes and Nerves. So who knows? He might collapse under the weight of competing against El Imbatido. Many have before. Contador also has his somewhat trusty sidekick, the bald dwarf, Levi Leipheimer, hopefully healed up from cracking his sacrum in the Tour of California. (The sacrum is that wide piece of bone at the base of the spine, right where your butt crack starts. Actually composed of several fused together bones, the lumbar bones are on top of it, the coccyx (tailbone) below it and to each side the pelvic/hip bones. It's kind of important to have in one piece when riding a bike.) Also on Contador's team are his bud Hernandez, Zubeldia, Rubiera, Noval, Armstrong, and either Vaitkus, or Morabito. Vaitkus! says CyclingFever. Morabito! says Cycling news. Now this is controversy! I went to Astana's website to see if they could clear up this vagueness and there's an interview with Tommy Vaitkus wearing his Jamaican RR champion jersey. Unfortunately in reading the interview it's not clear if Vaitkus is riding C&L or not as the interviewer is putting words into his mouth. Thankfully this is the biggest controversy that Astana has to deal with! And yes I am being sarcastic through this whole preview! 

- Rabobank is well represented with most of the team that seriously schooled it's competitors at the Vuelta a Murcia two weeks ago.  Yeah the competition at that race wasn't nearly the level of this one, but for a first stage race of the year, it couldn't have gone better for Denny Menchov and Co. Ten Dam, Mollema, Clement, Weening, Ardila, etc. are back to be the chief competitors to Astana. My guess is that this Rabo squad is similar to their Giro squad so it bears watching.

- Garmin is here and our old pal Dave Zabriskie is back! He should make some noise in the TT but overall this team looks Very Serious with Christian Vandevelde leading Tom Danielson. So like the other teams I'm mentioning, it looks like this race is a serious rehearsal before the Grand Tours ramp up. Vandevelde won a stage in Paris-Nice but never competed for the overall due to crashing in the opening time trial. Hope his luck is better this time. As for Danielson, this race has to be HUGE because of the poor effort he produced at Murcia. Maybe he just needs leadership to do well. If so than this race is set up for him.

- Cervelo and Carlos Sastre are present , but with Carlos you never know what he'll put into a non-Grand Tour race. It should be noted that, like Rabobank and Astana,  this team has got "climby" written all over it so it bears watching.

- Euskatel has Igor Anton to lead them and it will be interesting to see if he can keep up in the mountains or if he needs more time to heal.

- Fuji Servetto rolls out JJ Cobo. Being this year's Shunned team, their schedule is difficult and court-ordered so this could be a big race for them.

-Xacobeo Galicia is also bringing their A-squad as this is a big Giro dress rehearsal for them as well. Zeke Mosquera had a decent Murcia, finishing 6th overall and showing his climbing legs. The TT will be a challenge.

- Then there's Rock Racing. Clearly this is possibly THE race of the year for them and they have brought their heavy hitters: Pena, Hamilton, Sevilla, etc. But I have a question as I don't follow them much: do they have money to finish the year? I kinda remember they were having mucho funding problems. Have they been cleared up or is their tip to Spain a final blow-out?

- Not to be forgotten is Liberty Seguros who has Ruben Plaza.  He finished 2nd at Murcia.

- Other then the above mentioned teams, there are five Spanish Continental teams, ISD with a bunch of riders that I am absolutely clueless about (their eastern European contingent), and BBBBBBox Telecom with a bunch of tourists to round out the field. If anybody (read: semprenaroda) would like to comment about the Continental teams, please do!)

There you have it. A short climby stage racers delight. But what about those two sprinters stages? Who are the sprinters? We just got done with MSR; surely one of those guys is competing?

Ha! Dream on! The sprinters at Castile and Leon make the sprinters at Murcia (Graeme "Heckuva Job" Brown, Greg Henderson, JJ Haedo) look like a bunch of Mark Cavendishes in comparison. Caisse d'Epargne is throwing out JJ Rojas. Fun Fact! Since JJ last won (February 12th of 2008 at Trofeo Pollenca) he has finished in the top ten of various races no less than 34 times!) This kid is the definition of also-ran.

Actually there is one sprinter who I am keen to watch and that is Fuji's Cuban Missile, Ivan Dominguez. Haven't seen him since last year and he'll be who I'm cheering for on the first and last stages. Fast Freddy Rodriguez of Rock is also here. My guess is that there are other sprinters but who among the Continental teams has a fast finish is beyond me. I did look at the sprinters stages at Murcia to see if there were any overlaps but a) none of the Continental teams threw up a decent sprinter there ("decent" loosely defined as you can beat Peter Weening at the end) and again those ISD Ukrainians are new to me. This is a prime GC tune-up race and there should be video via either Steephill TV or Cycling fans. Enjoy!

 

PS. PSYCHE! Lance? You want me to talk about Lance? Who do you think I am?I realize that some of you do want me to highlight Lance but I just don't have the heart for it these days. For that I apologize.  

Yeah, Lance is of course the HUGE news for this race. Nowhere is that better expressed than at the top of the Cycling Fans site where it is written:

Starting Monday:  Vuelta a Castilla y León LIVE (to March 27) - Armstrong, Contador, Leipheimer et al

Lance is a big fat whale. I get it.

Now obviously, the opening bit of this preview highlighting Alejandro Valverde was an intentional misdirection away from Lance. Just substitute Lance or Alejandro and you have a perfect match! And I'll admit that prior to writing this I had a big soap opera-themed story with Lance as the centerpiece. (*See bottom picture for the only surviving remnant of said soap- opera.) If you want to talk about Lance in the comments, please do. 

But I couldn't carry out the Lance Soap Opera because frankly I am getting tired of his show. To me, as a cyclist he's at most a decent domestique for Contador and Leipheimer,  though any climber who struggles to climb the Cipressa, as Lance did yesterday, will be challenged as a domestique when the Grand Tours and really big mountains start.  (Remember, before ToC we were told quite frequently that Lance was in the best shape of his career so it's not like he's out of shape.) People, even riders, get old and all the attention seeking Tweets in the world won't change that. 

If I had to choose the most likely scenario for the rest of Lance's year, either he becomes a major Grand Tour contender or an increasingly embarrassing cautionary tale as he becomes irrelevant in actual races, I pick the later. 

Of course, we will be subjected to constant all-Lance-all-the-time reports during Castle y Leon and through to the Tour and I suppose it will be interesting to see how Bert and Levi handle it. I hope that today Bert sits down with Levi who will explain  how best to deal with Lance: smile, keep a low profile and let Lance fall behind as the race plays out. 

So to sum up:

- This is a nice early preview of the later Grand Tours. Most stage races are a world unto themselves but this race, this year, is basically a Grand Tour dress rehearsal- but not like the Dauphine or Suisse, or Romandie as this is far enough ahead of any bigger race that the riders can theoretically go all out without fear of peaking too soon. That's unusual. Hopefully it will be good.

- Bert is the favorite

-Levi is getting back into racing shape. Might be good, or might be training.

-Menchov, Mosquera, Vandevelde, Cobo, Sastre, and Anton all pose threats. 

-Valverde is a wild card, what with CONI hanging over him.

-cycling fans and steephill TV will have links to video coverage.

-Lance is a sideshow, interesting to the race insofar he messes with Bert's head.

-My picks for the GC podium:

1) Contador

2) Menchov

3) Vandevelde

*Pictured below: Lance and Johan at the Lance is back! presser with bonus points to anyone who can identify the picture:

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Laugh line moments:

“…his somewhat trusty sidekick, the bald dwarf…”

Serious note: The frightening thought. Something is going on where Valv’s lawyer, or the Spanish authorities, or God knows who, has actually managed to hold something over CONI’s head to make them think twice about this entire adventure and we shall be condemned to perpetual limbo until the statute of limitations runs out.

by Ed K on Mar 22, 2009 5:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ID

was not diff, seeing the filename … Sorry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_and_Laura_Spencer#Luke_and_Laura.27s_1981_wedding

by tedvdw on Mar 22, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ahh.

I put a lot of thought into that.

A Lot.

Johan is the blushing bride.

by ursula on Mar 22, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's the direction I was leaning in too

But at the same time, there is comedy value on the other side too. Probably way more if you actually know the soap plots / characters of these two.

by Ed K on Mar 22, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vaitkus

will be riding the Castille y Leon race.
See official startlist

by FrankV on Mar 22, 2009 5:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Didn't Luke rape Laura

Then she married……. Friggin Crazy…

We don't stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we stop playing.
George Bernard Shaw, 1856-1950

by CycleGirl on Mar 22, 2009 5:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And with that hair.

I sure don’t miss the 80’s.

by ursula on Mar 22, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

80's?

That looks sadly like my ’79 prom picture.

What’s a soap opera?

"....Up Sestriere on a rental clunker in jeans and loafers? Brother, lemme buy you a beer."

by Rolls on Mar 22, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but the story

Continued for the next ten or so year hahaha

Look at that head peace, lucky she didn’t need a neck brace.

We don't stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we stop playing.
George Bernard Shaw, 1856-1950

by CycleGirl on Mar 22, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I noticed that too.

But I seriously could not think up an appropriate piece of snark to describe it. Nothing quite seemed to capture its je ne sais quoi.

by Ed K on Mar 22, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops piece*

We don't stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we stop playing.
George Bernard Shaw, 1856-1950

by CycleGirl on Mar 22, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

I was wondering about Igor.

by ursula on Mar 22, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Think of Laura...

But, laugh…don’t cry.

I know she’d want it that way.

by Megabeth on Mar 22, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1000

Post ’o the day I think.

by ursula on Mar 22, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go that's a tough one.

1. Contador
’2. Menchov
3. Vandevelde

by ursula on Mar 22, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aitor Hernandez and Mikel Nieve

are leading the Euskatel team.
Igor Anton will use CyL for training only, according this news article

by FrankV on Mar 22, 2009 5:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Meh, I need some points from Igor.

Fair enough though, his injury on the Angliru has taken a long time to sort itself out so little wonder he doesn’t want to go all out yet, quite apart from not wanting to peak early etc etc. Nieve has ridden pretty impressively so far this year for a new boy…I’m quite liking him.

by Albertina on Mar 22, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seven

riders of my team are participating in Spain this week.
So let’s see what Contador, Rubiera, Anton, Nieve, Cobo, Mollema and Mosquera will bring me.

by FrankV on Mar 22, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My riders

Bert, Levi, Nieve, Mollema, and Pasamontes

by ursula on Mar 22, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my team

Bert, Hernandez, Igor Anton, Mosquera, DZ

by rbjhan on Mar 23, 2009 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LA may be a sideshow, but he said he wants to try and produce a win here... ITT

For me, I want to see if Danielson has anything to show us, if not, I’m so done hoping.
I will be watching Aitor as well, as a dutiful VDS.

by sminer on Mar 22, 2009 5:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ITT

LA wants to win the ITT.

And I want a pony.

LA doesn’t stand a chance.

by ursula on Mar 22, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One wonders how much the sense of LA as old, tired, and past his prime...

…stems from the bizarre choice to wear black shoes and black socks with the Astana kit, making him resemble nothing so much as the stereotypical middle aged businessman caught with in his skivvies.

Comme ça:

Seriously. Someone needs to tell him.

by Ed K on Mar 22, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But when you meet him in person

Wow, he had me mesmorised and not bad looking..

We don't stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we stop playing.
George Bernard Shaw, 1856-1950

by CycleGirl on Mar 22, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was pure fashion critique. I swear.

Just seems to me that um, if white shorts are seen as a no no, then black socks and black and a predominantly blue and yellow kit otherwise should be seen as a OH GOD NO PLEASE STOP!

That’s all.

by Ed K on Mar 22, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ugh...

black socks and black shoes and a predominantly blue and yellow…

by Ed K on Mar 22, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes agree with the fashion critique

Get rid of those damn socks, way to high, may as well be wearning knee high socks..

We don't stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we stop playing.
George Bernard Shaw, 1856-1950

by CycleGirl on Mar 22, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats because they don't

have the PdC ladies doing their fashion for them… All they need to do is call :-)

We don't stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we stop playing.
George Bernard Shaw, 1856-1950

by CycleGirl on Mar 22, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I loathe black socks with any type of kit.

CycleGirl, we should lead a campaign. Perhaps we could hand out leaflets to riders warning them of the perils?

by Albertina on Mar 22, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or better still

Organise Team meetings with the riders, maybe over dinner, with a nice bottle of wine :-)

so much nicer then leaflets.. hehehe

We don't stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we stop playing.
George Bernard Shaw, 1856-1950

by CycleGirl on Mar 22, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can appreciate you guys looking at socks and shoes

but meanwhile someone needs to tell him that his positioning on the bike has gone from bad to worse. He looks terrible on the thing, worse than he ever has. Are these guys afriad to tell him or something?

"....Up Sestriere on a rental clunker in jeans and loafers? Brother, lemme buy you a beer."

by Rolls on Mar 22, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's it...

PdC intervention with Lance at C&L.

by Ed K on Mar 22, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they are older than last year..

HE was wearing them back during his last hurrah.

by Fred Marx on Mar 23, 2009 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

blame hincapie...

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Mar 23, 2009 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah on Tommy D

He absolutely needs a respectable ride here. TBH I’m even more interested in seeing him hold up well over the whole race. Its endurance that’s been his issue, no?

by Ed K on Mar 22, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, his ability to endure staying upright on his bike. Didn't get nicknamed "Bubble Boy" for nothing.

But also, his ability to last through races too. Would like to see him do well.

Thinking hard - really hard - of something witty to say....

by Cyclingrush on Mar 22, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was having completely different thoughts to the line

" Its endurance that’s been his issue"

LOL

We don't stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we stop playing.
George Bernard Shaw, 1856-1950

by CycleGirl on Mar 22, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LoL

You know me, Can’t help myself..

Especially after the rumours I was told why he was ousted out of Rabobank..

We don't stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we stop playing.
George Bernard Shaw, 1856-1950

by CycleGirl on Mar 22, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OOOPPPPSS

Wrong Tommy D,

take that all back…

We don't stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we stop playing.
George Bernard Shaw, 1856-1950

by CycleGirl on Mar 22, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everything I know is wrong

Bert in VN today is saying that the uphill finishes are not hard enough to separate the riders, that the TT will decide the GC.

by ursula on Mar 22, 2009 6:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Psyops at its best. He's sandbagging.

Thinking hard - really hard - of something witty to say....

by Cyclingrush on Mar 22, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually...

That entire article sounds a lot like sandbagging. Didn’t AC ask to race with Lance once before the Tour? Now it’s coincidence. Pfft.

by Ed K on Mar 22, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes he did

Lance is coming to Bert. As I recall, Lance was gonna race Crit Int.

by ursula on Mar 22, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great tactics by Alberto I say

come and ride a little race with me Lance, we need to show all we are a united Team… But when i kick your ass at the finish line, remember who is going to be my Biatch!!!

Ohh and before anyone starts, Astana is one of my favourites, I like Lance, and if you don’t think so, just go and read my Blog…

We don't stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we stop playing.
George Bernard Shaw, 1856-1950

by CycleGirl on Mar 22, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For what it's worth, Contador says the press made that story up.
At a news conference before the start of Paris-Nice, Contador was asked if he had pressed for the inclusion of Armstrong in Castilla y León.

Cantador looked astonished. “Not at all,” he replied. “That’s an invention of the press. But,” he continued in a segue into team policy, “it will be a good thing that I can race with Armstrong before the Tour. He brings a lot of confidence to the team. A bond will be created with him.”

IHT

One of the sweetest things today was seeing Tom Boonen go past me backwards on the climbs. .--Mark Cavendish, MSR

by majope on Mar 22, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Humm...

The cycling press repeating unverified rumor or just making stuff up out of whole cloth? Nahhhhhhhhhh.

by Ed K on Mar 22, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Astonished!

Of course he was – Armstrong is supposed to be riding the criterium international!

by gbt on Mar 22, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's right though -

this is a team sport, if he’s going to race with Armstrong this summer they better get a feel for each other. Plus if they work together this week some of the negative speculation is bound to go away.

by plinytheelder on Mar 22, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Remember leipheimer!

I agree. My fervent hope is they both end up riding for leipheimer (the best time triallist!) and the team ethic kicks in and they both have ti suck it up! Then they can both shut up! If I had thought of this earlier would have put LL in my VDS team!

Basso yesterday = super domestique. Lance and alberton to do the same I say.

by gbt on Mar 22, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good point,

if Leipheimer wins the TT, or places much more highly than either of them, it would be cool to see them both working for him.

by plinytheelder on Mar 22, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Latest odds

If you want to place a bet – can get 8-15 contador, 7-1 leipheimer, 40-1 armstrong. As a betting man – the stake is one point win Leip, one point place LA!! (odds from paddypower.com)

by gbt on Mar 22, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

That would be character building for everyone involved.

by Ed K on Mar 22, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We all say things that people want to hear

i’m sure on the inside, alberto was smirking

We don't stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we stop playing.
George Bernard Shaw, 1856-1950

by CycleGirl on Mar 22, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We all say things that people want to hear

i’m sure on the inside, alberto was smirking

We don't stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we stop playing.
George Bernard Shaw, 1856-1950

by CycleGirl on Mar 22, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure what happened here...

We don't stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we stop playing.
George Bernard Shaw, 1856-1950

by CycleGirl on Mar 22, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think AC is sandbagging about the ITT

that finish does not suit him, some guys with more downhill power are going to beat him that day

by sminer on Mar 22, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Time trial madness

Great post – but Bert is right I think. The TT in this race could be the most interesting TT of the early season. (Finally a reason to watch one!) The parcours is not all that – see http://www.steephill.tv/vuelta-castilla-y-leon/ . If you are in astana and are ahead of your colleagues after the TT then, by all known rules of etiquette, they should ride for you as leader. If first astana rider home then reasonable to expect you are first of the GC contenders home also.

The rest of the race isn’t tough enough for any team to get rid of astana. It’s Levi (bad back) versus HWMNBN (twat) versus AC (irresponsible hothead). The winner gets the domestiques people dream of.

The conspiracy theorist says Lance rode MSR to get in shape for the TT (why else were astana on the front in the chase!) and teach the “young one” a lesson! The AC fan says he will “nail Lance to a tree” (as so eloquently put elsewhere on this site) and remember how he performed in PN time trial. Levi fans say he won ATOC with a broken back – if it’s mended then Go Baldy! Remember – he is the best time trialist in the field.

On the other hand – if then drugs work then obviously Valverde wins the time trial.

Prediction – expect Astana to make sure a breakaway doesn’t succeed in the first stage making all the above moot!

by gbt on Mar 22, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+100

Bonus points for answering my question about why the heck Astana were hauling back the break at MSR with a suitably paranoid construction that has the seductive power of seeming very reasonable indeed as well, especially if it were also a tit for tat with Columbia.

by Ed K on Mar 22, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Columbia?

Thought Columbia might have a team…wonder why they dont have one?

by tteel on Mar 22, 2009 10:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not a Pro Tour race...

I dunno how the selections get doled out to these? But I suspect that they actually have to keep it mostly to Pro C and C squads. Anyone know the rule there?

by Ed K on Mar 22, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's your general answer, specifics are in the post below this one

As you know, different races are given different abbreviations: PT, 1.2, 2.1, etc. Among other things those designations determine which type of teams, and how many of each type can compete in a give race so (and this is from the UCI by-laws):

These are all for the UCI Europe Tour:

PT races-
-UCI ProTeams, compulsory
-Teams eligible to participate to one of the Grand Tours following the UCI-organisers agreement
-UCI professional continental teams with the wild card label, participating in the biological passport programme

Historical
-Teams eligible to participate to one of the Grands Tours following UCI-organisers agreement
-UCI ProTeams
-UCI professional continental teams participating in the biological passport programme

1.HC + 2. HC
- UCI ProTeams (max 80%)
- UCI professional continental teams
- UCI continental teams of the country
-National teams of the country of the organiser

1.1 + 2.1
 - UCI ProTeams (max 50%)
- UCI professional continental teams
- UCI continental teams
- National teams

1.2 + 2.2
 - UCI professional continental teams of the country
- UCI continental teams
- National teams
- Regional and club teams

Now for non-Europe Tour events, such as California you can use this:

1.HC + 2.HC
- UCI ProTeams (max 50%)
 - UCI professional continental teams
- UCI continental teams
- National teams

by ursula on Mar 22, 2009 11:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Has anyone told you that you are a font of knowledge...

And why do I think I could have googled that if I’d been less lazy? =/

by Ed K on Mar 22, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah you could have googled it but

It can take awhile to find and figure out those pesky UCI regs. There are others (Chef Commisaire (sp)) who know this stuff cold- better than I.

by ursula on Mar 22, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So for Castile and Leon, which is designated a 2.1 race

You can only have a maximum of 50% Pro Tour teams. There are 17 teams in the race so it can have I suppose either 8 or 9 Pro Tour teams.

As it happens it only has seven PT teams: Astana, Caisse d’Epargne, Bbbbbox Telecom, Euskatyel, Fuji-Servetto, Garmin, and Rabobank. So it seems like in theory they could have had one or two more PT teams. Now I’m just guessing here but maybe they only have seven is because they wanted to ensure basically all local (i.e. Spanish and Portuguese) Pro Continental and Continental teams were invited to boost fan attendance? The only non- Iberian based Pro Conti team invited is ISD.

At any rate it’s not clear why Columbia ain’t here. They were at Murcia. They will be at Criterium International, a 2.HC race (80% PT teams).

by ursula on Mar 22, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok.

That’s more or less what I thought, though I didn’t know the precise distribution from category to category. I was fairly sure there were limits on how many PT squads could send riders to the smaller races.

Cool, thank you.

by Ed K on Mar 22, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your welcome.

None of this of course explains why Lance wears black socks.

by ursula on Mar 22, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

come on there are some nice black socks

check these out.

Well the picture doesn’t really do them justice but I have a pair!

These are kind of hot too (scroll down to bottom).

I don’t mind the black socks/shoes, to me the problem is the blue and yellow kit with the black shoes/socks.

by plinytheelder on Mar 22, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh Agreed.

I’m not dogmatically against black socks on every occasion. Actually, black socks white shoes / sneaks can be cool if done right, for instance. My real problem is, yeah, black with the rest of that kit. Its just awful. I mean he looks like a doofus, of the worst possible sort—and this is not me going after Lance. It just. looks. terrible.

Tho I’ll also say this. Black socks and black shoes would have to have just the right kit to work well. Its a tricky one to pull off. And the price for getting it wrong. Well, look at that picture of Lance.

by Ed K on Mar 22, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wear those socks

and I like them very much , thank you.

by jsallee00 on Mar 22, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

excellent

and people have the nerve to say the Twin Cities have never contributed anything to the world of fashion

by plinytheelder on Mar 22, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol, that was funny.

I am now interested in this race. Which doesn’t happen every year.

Oh, and black socks are very very bad.

by gavia on Mar 22, 2009 11:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

except

for mountain bike or cross. Then, black socks are perfectly understandable. Have you ever tried to get mud out of white socks? Yeah, it sucks. Black socks in the mud are good.

But never ever on the road. And definitely not tall. Tall is bad.

by gavia on Mar 22, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh and remind me to take a picture of my converse sometime...

…re the mud thing.

Yes, there are visible toe clip and strap lines on the canvas, from the mud / other crap they have suffered on my winter rides.

by Ed K on Mar 22, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have black knee-highs for the road

and love em plus everyone I pass thinks I’m so cool I can tell by the fact that they are laughing which means they are happy

by plinytheelder on Mar 22, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ROFL

That’s what happens when people see me pass them on my 24 y.o. trek wearing white converse. But I like to think I’m embarrassing their out of shape Pinarello riding Sidi footwear clad selves.

We can all dream.

by Ed K on Mar 22, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

heh

speaking of which my ride’s a 24-yr old Pinarello, there’s a weird coincidence.

With white shoes, black knee-high socks…and white shorts.

by plinytheelder on Mar 22, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn I'm jealous.

I bet your Pinarello is way nicer than my Trek =/

And yes, I do love old steel bikes, despite the fact that I’m still riding this one b/c I can’t afford anything else. If I could afford something else I might well get an IF, or something.

by Ed K on Mar 22, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah I'm with you there brother

a steel IF is pretty much my dream bike. Factory lightweight…but I’d take any of them.

by plinytheelder on Mar 22, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually I think my dream dream dream bike might be one of the Vanilla / Speedwagen road frames.

Or a Cinelli Super-Corsa
Or a Colnago Master X-Light

Or Pergoretti…
Or um…yeah the IF 953 bikes… that might be IT. But the super-corsa has this siren song appeal, with 2003 vintage record 10 speed components, all steel, and a quill stem…

ok must stop now…

by Ed K on Mar 23, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

The waiting is a pain, but I should have it in another couple of weeks. Then I’ll have no more bike related excuses for poor showings.

by jsallee00 on Mar 23, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oooooh

Very nice bikey. Can you post us up some photos when you get it, so we can live vicariously? Waterford, yummy!

by gavia on Mar 23, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Photos when you get it!

by Ed K on Mar 23, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

saucy ursula

by Steno on Mar 23, 2009 1:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

E3

I don’t want to be a wiseass but the E3 race was actually named after the motorway.
;-)

by Lopex on Mar 23, 2009 6:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I just wanna say this is like the suckiest soap opera every...

…I haven’t heard anything about Alejandro yet. Just all these bit players doing stuff that doesn’t make any sense…and there is no way those roads are in Spain. Gah. Did they think we weren’t gonna know that it was cheaper to shoot it in Belgium. Pfft.

by Ed K on Mar 23, 2009 8:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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