MSR::VDS::OMG!!
by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 23, 2009 12:40 AM EDT
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The first monument of the year has meant a goodly splurge of points, but as for its effects on the VDS standings, they are more along the lines of rearranging the deck chairs than a sea change. The following teams scored over 1000 points in MSR: Vlammende Vedetten, Atala, Wheel Suckers, Death Riders, and Down Tube Shifters. That makes the present top ten as follows:
- Atala, 2981
- Action Potential, 2651
- Portinado, 2474
- Big Aloha, 2449
- Wheel Suckers, 2389
- Zabriskie's Point, 2354
- Down Tube Shifters, 2253
- Vlammende Vedetten, 2223
- Castrogiovanni (etc.), 2174
- Team Buckeye, 2164
Full standings here. Carry on!
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ouch!
clobbered. from 48th to 86th. some deck chair.
You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.
i thought you were doing okay there for awhile
or am i confusing you with the other teel on here?
i was riding high in 14th place earlier but that’s racing!
You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.
Its my son
that I convinced to put in a team this year along with my wife. Now they are both ahead of me!!!
Dear God!
I went from 95 to 37 (adjusting for empty spaces and titles at the top). I’m um…no one is more shocked than I am at this development. Surely it cannot last and I will revert to the mean of serious pathetically hopeless loser pack fill that I was destined to be all along.
Although in more important news...
I’m only 20 points behind Phil. grins evilly
Embarassing show
I’m in 2nd to last right now. That’s just depressing for me – I thought I’d be at least a bit better right now. And to think: I had the lead for a week 2 years ago, and had the yellow jersey for a few days in the TdF VDS that year, too.
so chris judging from that heading you like your TLAs
(three letter acronyms)
i am master of my fate, i am captain of my soul
NFW!
CQRanking.com, you complete me.
by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 23, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow, almost a perfect result
The MSR score brought me from 100th place into the top-10 (8th).
I can’t wait for the next race …..
Yeah, a lot worse.....
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
My shot.. Lo Pan is the brother of Peter pan..
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
So... Lo pan isn't flying high?!
That’s a bummer
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
But i'll back of.. Just for you men..
Peace?
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
I hate vds updates...
But i’ll be their on the end of the season.. Remember:
Vini, vidi, vici
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
The romans were from Holland?
I really need to re-read my historybooks.
Should we spell it Ceijsaar ?
Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.
Lol!
But the Romans weren’t Dutch (D’Uh).. The Friezen withstand the Romans.. The only war we could more or less win/don’t give up all our land… Ok that’s not true.. But nice for now though..
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
Ooh, I do love Friesians
One of the sweetest things today was seeing Tom Boonen go past me backwards on the climbs. .--Mark Cavendish, MSR
Yeah love them too
source: http://www.frieslandholland.nl/
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
Like them too...
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
Haha.. she is Miss Friesland..
And I admit.. She isn’t that beatifull but that breats…..
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
Must. Not. Make. Reference. To. Lady. Godiva.
Must. Resist…..
Bahaha! Is that you in the picture?
I see you’ve taken a leaf out of Columbia’s book with the fake abs…..
Yeah..
Already 5 down.. Just 169 to go! Peace of cake
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
But on a related note...
…it will be completely excellent when they unveil the helmet with the feathered crest at this years TdF.
Like Cipo did?
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
Oh well,
Top 10 was nice while it lasted. I fear it will only be downhill from here (although hopefully I won’t drop 36 places after every race!)
Up 24 places!
But I don’t expect anything from Castilla y Leon—my guys’ strength does not lie in Spanish stage races, if Murcia is anything to go by.
One of the sweetest things today was seeing Tom Boonen go past me backwards on the climbs. .--Mark Cavendish, MSR
Don't sweat it. C& N is just on the VDS-calender as a smokescreen
to keep people from noticing what a craptastic team Ursula is fielding in the Cobbled Classics (i.e. The Races That Matter).
Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.
Top Ten!!!
Just barely..Go Team Buckeye.
Am I the only one in the top ten that was dumb enough to leave Hausler off my team?
This is my first team in 3 yrs
without HH. He never scored squat before this… my dumb ass.
"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH
know what you mean
he was on my team last year and I dropped him. Things must be clicking for him over at Cervelo.
I just looked--you are the only top 10 team without HH.
So hey—you’re making up for it somewhere.
One of the sweetest things today was seeing Tom Boonen go past me backwards on the climbs. .--Mark Cavendish, MSR
Alright! Up to 35th so far with only AC getting me points among my GC guys
I’m hoping for a good run this week in Spain and the Giro form those guys.
I can’t believe that Sandy Casar didn’t pick up points at P-N. Oh well, as long as he gives me some good stages or top 10 finishes in single day races I’ll be happy.
Just spinning the pedals in the hills of Western Maryland
patience
he will. It’s a long season. I have him too. Last year he didn’t pick up a point until the Criterium International (and only 10 there). It’s a long season and we’re not even a month into it yet.
precisely
i am in the same waiting game…
we don’t want to peak too early…
You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.
For me
with the exception of Boonen, I didn’t expect many points from my riders until we got into the Ardennes and then swung into the Giro. I expected to be at the bottom half of the standings but then to (hopefully) come on in the summer. That I’m at 61st at the moment seems pretty good to me (HH has helped me there, big time. I expected him to improve over last year but not this much). I strongly doubt I’ll win, but I think a top-20 finish isn’t out of the question for me. Given the level of cycling knowledge on this board, I’d be very happy with a top-50 finish.
One nice thing about VDS is it seems to be a good way to learn a lot about the sport. Last year at this point I don’t think I’d even heard about Haussler much less a number of the other riders I eventually picked, plus I was very unfamiliar with a number of the relatively less prestigious races like KBK.
i agree
it is a great way to learn about the sport. i did better at the start of the season than expected, largely due to HH too. Chavanel I expected something from and he delivered, but i can’t say the same for Gilbert. mind you, he’ll still be going when others have trailed off and he still has some spring chances. my GC guys haven’t fired up yet, so we’ll see. this is my first full season at this and as you say, in the august ranks of the PdC DSs i’d be happy even in the top 100!
You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.
27th
Which is a nice jump up. So far my lower level sprinter/classics hopefuls are keeping me afloat. I’m set to drift back like Boonen on a tough climb, though :)
Looking at the team sheet...
How do some teams have a rider cost total of over 150? There’s a few at 151.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
The Tony thing?!
The pic is becuse Tony is a maffia name.. So uuuuh?
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
They all have Ivan Dominguez.
Who was listed at both 2 points and 1 point. I’m guessing in the end he went for 1.
There is a team, though, that cost 162 points. Not sure what’s up with that…
One of the sweetest things today was seeing Tom Boonen go past me backwards on the climbs. .--Mark Cavendish, MSR
Thanks.
At work and haven’t looked too closely at the names that were on the teams. Just found it odd that there seemed to be a small bunch over 150. I noticed a few under 150 too but then thought I recalled the rules were up to 150 so someone could’ve played the costs light if they chose.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
Ironically
that 162-point team is currently at around 160th place. But with Evans, Leipheimer, Sastre, LA, and ASchleck, I doubt it will stay there. Yeah, that’s pretty strange.
Dominguez went for one point in the end
but it looks like he’s still on the list for two as well and the spreadsheet picks that up first. At some point, when I’m happy that all the bugs are out of the system, I’ll post up the spreadsheet that does all the work. Well, I say spreadsheet, but really it’s a few VB routines stuck inside an Excel spreadsheet that rebuilds everything from scratch whenever it’s run. It takes the rider names and point cost from the master list, reads in all the teams stored in one directory, all the race results from another, does the cross calculations and prints it out on a new spreadsheet. Hence the small number of actual formulae when Chris posts it here.
VDS inflation!
Last year’s top 10 after MSR ranged from 2236 to 1458 points, compared to this year’s 2981 to 2164. It’s not just the new races—I think so far only Murcia and Eroica are new, adding 1680 available points.
Last year, first place at this point represented about 25.4 percent of the available points, and tenth place represented 16.6 percent.
This year, first place=28.4 percent of available points (including new races), and tenth place 20.6 percent. So it’s not just that there are more points, but more VDS teams scooping up a higher percentage of what’s available.
Possibilities:
—Early bumps from Contador (99 teams), Haussler (82 teams), and Cavendish (78 teams) have skewed rankings upwards—if these guys don’t continue to produce at this rate, things will even out later. Or if they do, it won’t.
—People actually paid attention to ursula’s pre-VDS analysis—in which case they made better choices and rankings will stay inflated.
Other suggestions?
One of the sweetest things today was seeing Tom Boonen go past me backwards on the climbs. .--Mark Cavendish, MSR
The new cost structure of riders
Means more of the midpack, midscoring riders are on VDS-teams?
Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.
My thought too
CQRanking.com, you complete me.
by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 23, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the early bumps are part of it
especially Haussler. I know in my case he represents over 25% of my team’s total points thus far. I don’t think AC is really an “early bump” since he won PN 2 years ago. Even if you had assumed he wouldn’t win it, you had to figure he’d get some points. To me it’s Haussler and Cav. Picking Cav over Boonen may be my biggest mistake. I had not thought he would be in at the finish at MSR, much less win it. Had I thought that, I likely would have picked Cav. Oh well. Live and learn.
AC is definitely an early bump compared to last year. He had zero until Pais Vasco.
Plus only one team had him last year, compared to 99 teams this year. Even if he’d won P-N last year, he wouldn’t have had nearly the effect on the VDS pool as a whole.
One of the sweetest things today was seeing Tom Boonen go past me backwards on the climbs. .--Mark Cavendish, MSR
I think the new layout and only choosing riders on the list
help center things a little more. I for one read every word Ursula and you wrote with a lot of enjoyment. I didn’t necessarily use it as I had guys I liked I wanted but I think just reading it all helped educate all of us here at the Cafe in a positive way on things to watch for and riders to keep an eye on. Still can’t thank this place enough for the knowledge that resides here. Incredible.
"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."
Indeed
I used to think “chinaman” was the preferred nomenclature.
Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.
Drew and Jens tied neck and neck...
.. and Albertina breathing down their collars… I’m doing very good for the early season… Come on cobbles… Come on Giro…
Dude... why WOULDN'T Thor ride the chicken?
Jens is showing me how it's done
"I didn't look for him and I didn't see him. If you base your race on another rider, most of the time you lose."
Tom Boonen
Thatsh what your mother shaid last night Trebek
Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.
I'm leading him out for the sprint
……………………………………the way HH lead out Thor.
(meaning Chris will probably pip me on the line)
Did your favourite rider just win Montepaschi Strade Bianch Eroica Toscana? OK then.
Chris wrote that...
"The following teams scored over 1000 points in MSR: Vlammende Vedetten, Atala, Wheel Suckers, Death Riders, and Down Tube Shifters. "
I would like to note that my team is the ONLY one of the five that did not jump into the top 10 VDS as a result. The Death Riders had to really work hard for that result!
by Merry Crankster on Mar 23, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions
Top 10 Secret Weapons
Riders who have scored more than 100 points, but appear on no more than 10 teams:
1. Davide Rebellin, 145 pts, 2 teams
2. Ivan Basso, 110 pts, 6 teams
3. Denis Menchov, 170 pts. 8 teams
4. Andreas Klier, 100 pts, 8 teams
5. Jeremy Hunt, 100 pts, 1 team.
Note: these first five guys have provided a boost in the standings so far, have a ways to go before they’re profitable for their cost (well, Klier and Hunt are close, but much more is needed from the first three). The following five have all earned above 67 pps:
6. Martin Elmiger, 180 pts, 10 teams
7. Peter Velits, 140 pts, 5 teams
8. Ruben Plaza Molina, 165 pts, 1 team
9. Enrico Rossi, 160 pts, 1 team
10. Jonathan Hivert, 105 pts, 1 team
One of the sweetest things today was seeing Tom Boonen go past me backwards on the climbs. .--Mark Cavendish, MSR
Yeeah! Velits an Basso rocks!
So is it meaning that I get bonuspoints for the dark horse I picked :)
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
The trouble with having Basso as a secret weapon
is that it’s another way of saying you haven’t got Contador.
Contador.. Everything expect Vuelta/Giro
Basso: Vuelta and Giro What’s worth more points?
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
Isn't Contador doing the Vuelta?
add that to the Tour, plus all these little tours he’s doing and the points soon add up. Plus I can’t remember seeing him ride the way Basso rode in MSR, just as a domestique, to get the miles in.
my guess, if he wins the Tour = no Vuelta
He is 26, not sure if it’s a smart thing riding 2 GT’s a year, especially when they are much closer than the Giro and Vuelta last year?
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