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doping newsWhile Gavia sleeps in waiting for the tide, I'll start a thread to cover today's slate of controversial subjects.

  • Schumi is out. To nobody's surprise, the UCI confirmed the AFLD's two-year ban for Stefan Schumacher, who tested positive in the Tour de France for CERA. Sounds like his sample was mishandled, which Schumi has used to try to avoid the ban, but nobody is buying. See you in 2011, doofus.
  • The big story on biological passports is that the UCI has threatened five teams with exclusion from Paris-Nice if they don't send in their payment for the program. Cofidis, Bbox Bweeg, Caisse d'Epargne, Quick Step and Silence Lotto all owe some 120k Euros, and if McQuaid doesn't receive a suitcase of cash, in unmarked, nonsequential bills, by midnight tonight, he's going to release pictures of riders in compromising positions. Or just kick them out of Paris-Nice. Hm, in some respects maybe Paris-Nice is the start of the season, at least the silly season.
  • Nothing yet (in English) regarding Alejandro Valverde, at least not in La Gazzetta. Though you can read all about the controversy involving corrupt officiating in Serie A, whereby Inter cheated Roma out of three points last weekend.
  • CN has a nice roundup of LPR Brakes manager Fabio Bordonali's comments back to Tom Boonen, to the effect that LPR does pay into the passport system, and Boonen shouldn't impugn their integrity, and anyway he races against smaller teams sometimes who don't pay in, nyah nyah. He could have added, Quick Step haven't made their payment for 2009 yet. Double nyah nyah.
  • Gav, here, checking in with one more item: TAS has today issued a preliminary ruling on the Fuji-Servetto case. Fuji-Servetto appealed their exclusion from the ASO and RCS races. The result is a split decision: TAS has upheld the ASO decision to exclude Fuji-Servetto from Paris-Nice, but the tribunale ordered the RCS to allow the team to ride Tirreno-Adriatico and Milano-San Remo. In explaining the decision, TAS wrote, that the "reasons given by the organizers were different." The ASO denied Fuji-Servetto entrance into their races, because the participation of the team "could tarnish the image of the race," due to the team's previous doping scandals. (Fuji-Servetto is the successor team to Saunier-Duval, former team of the disgraced Riccardo Riccò and Leonardo Piepoli.) TAS ruled that the RCS claims was weaker, that the organizer had excluded the team on the grounds that they "held a discretionary choice over the participating teams." TAS struck down that claim by the RCS. This is a preliminary decision from TAS. No word yet on when the tribunale will issue its final decision. — Source, l'Équipe.fr.

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it was all polemica

this morning on CN. good grief, as if riding isn’t hard enough! i certainly hope Paris-Nice is not going to be short five teams – what nonsense.

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Mar 6, 2009 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

valverde

damn…tv interview with valverde right now……no idea what he is saying. he did say ‘very good’, so perhaps he is innocent!!

by bikepig on Mar 6, 2009 10:37 AM EST reply actions  

He says....

“Habla con mis abogados, italianos putos!!!” Over and over again

Racing for Victory and Free Beer!

by DemonCats on Mar 6, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

You can count on the UCI...

…to make a lot of noise in a press conference. Why wasn’t the payment issue dealt quietly in the background instead of a threat issued in a press release? A major international sport should not be organised in this way.

Good riddance to Schumacher. He may be punished for the same offence as Kohl but his continued denials only make him look desperate. Smell the coffee Stefan…

by TheInnerRing on Mar 6, 2009 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

The payment thing

I believe today is the deadline for teams to pay the first half of the passport program, something the 5 teams haven’t. My guess is those 5 have known that and have been given their time to pay, but now that it’s the last day to pay up, Mcquaid felt it was time to put some pressure on them and announce publicly that they are in jeopardy of not being able to race. It’s probably better than the race starting with 5 teams absent and no fans knowing why. These teams have had time to get this resolved but have procrastinated and now face punishment, I don’t see much wrong with McQuaid announcing this on deadline day.

I don't know if you knew this, CTV is run by Bernard Madoff

by Phil H. on Mar 6, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, it's not UCI's fault these teams haven't paied.

It’s not an out of the blue bill and the fight against doping is very important.

by OctaBech on Mar 6, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

time to pay

Yes it’s time to pay but if you want to up the stakes by making it public then maybe with just two hours before the banks in Paris close is not the time. I’d suggest doing this last week would have been a lot better.

by TheInnerRing on Mar 6, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

not as

ridiculous as Boonen feels right now !

by lucybears on Mar 6, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Tommeke

is chatty. Usually a good thing. Got him in a spot of bother this time. On balance, I have no prob with this.

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 6, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Yes. I agree that there is NOTHING good about constantly and hysterically airing dirty laundry, especially in the middle of a real economic crisis. McQuaid does really need to learn a little bit of decorum. Hopefully Vaughters, who understands these things, can teach him to chill. It seems to be starting.

by Ed K on Mar 6, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

can we just get on with the racing already?

preferably Flanders… but I’ll take half a cup of Roubaix if you have some laying around.

Dude... why WOULDN'T Thor ride the chicken?

by crashdan on Mar 6, 2009 11:17 AM EST reply actions  

one more thing...

…today was the deadline to pay. Announcing who has not paid in public is not the best thing to do. Cofidis wired the bank transfer this morning, just as you’d expect from a finance company. They were not advised that if they didn’t pay early they’d get named and shamed in a press conference. Once again McQuaid opens his mouth a bit too fast for me.

by TheInnerRing on Mar 6, 2009 11:38 AM EST reply actions  

I wonder

how you would have reacted UCI announced the day after the deadline that these teams couldn’t participate.

BTW, I thought Cofidis was a cycling team and not finance company like its sponsor(and Saxo Bank).

Anyway, do any of us know the actual deadline? I thought these things were taken care of along with the other payments/licences before the beginning of the season. Is it an extended deadline we are dealing with?
I’ve never really looked into the financing behind this sport.

by OctaBech on Mar 6, 2009 11:58 AM EST reply actions  

According to CN

the first half of the money is due today and the second is due at the end of June.

I don't know if you knew this, CTV is run by Bernard Madoff

by Phil H. on Mar 6, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

the key is that this is a new payment scheme

imposed by the UCI this season. Last year, it was monthly payments.

by Jen See on Mar 6, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank god they changed it

I don’t think we could survive monthly McQuaid pressconferences.

by Jens on Mar 6, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL, always good for a quick one :D

On a more serious note, I know it’s hard times financially, especially when all the debitors try to postpone payments forcing the creditor(UCI) to becomes a debitor too or cancel planned projects.

by OctaBech on Mar 6, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

statement from boyer

"Cofidis, obviously, has never had the intention not to pay…

Wait. Let me start over. We so do not say it that way in English. Okee, here we go.

“Obviously, Cofidis has always inteneded to pay.” The teams regrets that the UCI “imposed without negotiation a plan of paying 60,000 euro now and 60,000 euro in June. The method is deplorable, but I am going to pay.”

Last year, the teams were allowed to pay the amount required on a monthly basis. As you can well imagine, this was far easier.

by Jen See on Mar 6, 2009 12:05 PM EST reply actions  

So

all sturm and drang, as usual. Teams are a little pissed off at the UCI’s imposition of a new system, and are registering their displeasure by doing what 75% of all humans do: waiting til the last second to pay their bills. Move along…

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 6, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

No

they just don’t trust the mail.

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 6, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I googled it

Only one fourth of all humans are morons, two thirds are retarded, and the remaining half are below average.

CYCLING TV SUCKS. DO NOT GIVE THEM YOUR MONEY
Beware - they will bill you automatically unless you cancel recurring payments... Login to PayPal -> select MyAccount -> Profile -> Recurring Payments and cancel Cycling TV. Check your history to confirm that it worked. Then crack open a fine Belgian beer and toast your future happiness.

by Jimbo... on Mar 6, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

We put the “\o/” in “teamw\o/rk”

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris Fontecchio on Mar 6, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

\o_ _o_ _o_ _o/

team work

CYCLING TV SUCKS. DO NOT GIVE THEM YOUR MONEY
Beware - they will bill you automatically unless you cancel recurring payments... Login to PayPal -> select MyAccount -> Profile -> Recurring Payments and cancel Cycling TV. Check your history to confirm that it worked. Then crack open a fine Belgian beer and toast your future happiness.

by Jimbo... on Mar 6, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Lefevere is outraged, some quotes from the article on CN
“I don’t like this kind of blackmail from the UCI and Pat McQuaid. I don’t accept blackmail from anyone, McQuaid, ASO, not even Osama bin Laden!”
“The UCI’s tone is completely wrong in these circumstances. We’ve already paid 30,000 euros and proposed that we pay outstanding amount in installments. The next one being on April 1st and then another in July. What business pays for something in advance like this?”
“I have no problems with taking this to the courts to seek damages if we’re not allowed to race tomorrow. The UCI can’t turn around two days before the race and blackmail us like this, not with all the delays and problems they’ve had with the biological passport in the past. We’ll be turning up for the race tomorrow, you can count on that.”

Link

I don't know if you knew this, CTV is run by Bernard Madoff

by Phil H. on Mar 6, 2009 12:30 PM EST reply actions  

OBL? Ok Patrick, maybe you just oughta not speak for a while.

None of the late payments (if they are) is really surprising, given today’s economic conditions. Many, many companies are waiting to pay their bills until the last possible instant.

Like an old boss of mine said – make sure you get paid on the 1st, and don’t pay til the 31st.

"I didn't look for him and I didn't see him. If you base your race on another rider, most of the time you lose."

Tom Boonen

by Drew Davis on Mar 6, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

there's a detente

on paris-nice testing between the uci and the afld too. i think i’m too lazy to read about the detail. just that, well, they’re playing nice.

sunshine and puppy dogs!

by Jen See on Mar 6, 2009 12:42 PM EST reply actions  

Well done to Vaughters

Follow the CN link and JV is saying the right things:

“I am also 100% sure their financial situations with the UCI will be resolved by the start of Paris-Nice.”

Vaughters agreed that the teams need to be given leeway to make their contributions for the passport program as they can afford to. “In these difficult times, financial flexibility is something everyone in cycling will need to have. Hopefully, in the future, the AIGCP and the UCI will be able to negotiate payments plans acceptable for everyone far in advance of deadlines so these situations don’t become a controversial matter.”

Well said JV. This sort of stuff should be fixed behind the scenes, no?

by TheInnerRing on Mar 6, 2009 12:58 PM EST reply actions  

+1 to Vaughters

IMO I think having JV at the head of the DS organization is a Really Good Thing.

by ursula on Mar 6, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

+100

as what I’ve said above pretty much covers.

by Ed K on Mar 6, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

+ another 100

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Mar 6, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

It looks like Quickstep is late with the payment

This image was just released to the press:

Brooklyn Chewing Gum: Vlaanderens Mooiste

by Koppenberg on Mar 6, 2009 5:43 PM EST reply actions  

Well all is resolved, all 5 teams paid up

in fact Lefevere was so pissed that he just said fuck it and paid the remaining 90,000 Euro’s needed for the full 120,000 payment(Quickstep already paid 30,000 earlier) although he only needed to pay 30,000 today.

I don't know if you knew this, CTV is run by Bernard Madoff

by Phil H. on Mar 6, 2009 7:04 PM EST reply actions  

Yes,

but he paid it all in pennies just for spite ;)

by Katiek on Mar 6, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

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