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Ronde_mediumPerception: Filippo Pozzato is the favorite to win Sunday's Ronde van Vlaanderen. This is not merely the trendy choice; Pippo is the perfect type of rider, on the perfect form at the perfect time.

Reality: if someone pointed a gun to your head and told you to pick the winner of Flanders or else, is there any way you don't utter the words "tom boonen"?

Tommeke Boonen, the Emperor of Mol, a/k/a Beans (according to a literal translation of "boonen" or at least "bonen") is the man to beat, unless you want to focus on the last five days and otherwise forget the last five years. Boonen has dominated the Northern Classics since 2004 in a way that has threatened to deprive these races of their greatest asset: suspense. As brilliant as the sight of Tommeke, Fabian Cancellara and Alessandro Ballan rolling into the Roubaix Velodrome was last year, that race was over 25 km earlier. Boonen is not just a man for the classics; he's the ideal package of power, speed and size for the Tour of Flanders. Not exactly news.

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As for the matchup with Pippo, twice in their history has the Italian bested his former teammate in a race where both riders were contesting the finale of a one-day race: this past Saturday, and in the 2007 edition of Het Volk, where Boonen ran third behind Pippo and Juan Flecha. The pair have met dozens of times since that Het Volk, from which time they were no longer teammates or kids, but rarely have they truly knocked heads. If Boonen is winning a sprint in the Vuelta, Pippo is usually sitting it out, or vice versa. So there is not much evidence which says that Boonen is a good bet to beat Pippo if they are the last two men standing again Sunday.

There are, however, years of evidence which says that you don't want to bet against Boonen at the end of a Classic. No, he doesn't usually win: we have seen him outkicked by the odd pure sprinter (Cavendish), and more often we've seen him coast over the line after missing the break or sending a teammate away to victory. Typical: his 17th place in de Ronde last year was his worst placing since 2004, but had everything to do with the fact that Stijn Devolder was already greeting the royal family by the time Tom and the rest of the chasers rolled in.

By my count, since 2004 Boonen has meaningfully contested 28 Classics races (excluding Milano-Sanremo, focusing only on Belgian events). His record consists of thirteen wins, eight losses, and seven events where he allowed or otherwise had a teammate up the road (six of which Quick Step won). That's a record of 19 team wins, 8 losses by Tom, one other team loss. Of those eight losses, only twice was he simply outkicked at the line or in the final km. Take a guess who the winner was, both times.

Nineteen wins in the northern classics. Four monument victories in his last eight starts. A steady display of power all spring that shows he hasn't lost his most crucial asset. If you don't like dealing with him in the last km, well, good luck getting rid of him -- unless you're content to break away with Devolder and Chavanel on your wheel. The future is far from settled, and Pozzato poses as credible a threat to Boonen in the Tour of Flanders as we have seen in years, but it's a little much to say that Beans is not even the favorite.

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Definitely the favorite

It’s no accident that at age 28, Boonen has four times as many wins in the cobbled monuments as any other active rider.

Tommeke is head and shoulders above all the other current contenders in these races, and any time he lines up at the start of Flanders or Paris-Roubaix healthy, I would consider him the favorite.

by Susie Hartigan on Apr 1, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Another time Pozzato beat Boonen

was in 2006 MSR, but they were both on QS and Boonen was raising his arms in 4th, so not exactly competing.

by tedvdw on Apr 1, 2009 5:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

didn’t count anything from their teammate years.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 1, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, without question, Tom's the favorite

And I definitely wouldn’t place money on him

FYI, lowest odds to win:

Boonen- 9/4
Pozzato- 5/1
Haussler- 13/2
Devolder- 10/1
Nuyens- 12/1
Chavanel- 15/1
Hoste- 12.5/1
Flecha- 14/1
GVA- 16/1
Cancellara- 12/1- From house tohouse, Cancellara’s odds vary way more than anyone else’s.
Bennati- 17/1
Gilbert- 12/1- odds vary almost as much as Spartacus’.
Hushovd- 20/1- These odds are most attractive.

by ursula on Apr 1, 2009 6:33 PM EDT reply actions  

That's nothing

Tiger’s odds to win the masters is 2/1, talk about a favorite.

"It’s disappointing. Second place is the first loser."
~Heinrich Haussler (GERMANY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Cervélo TestTeam

by Phil H. on Apr 1, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

No odds on Hincapie?

He’s not even on the list? His track record is not so bad—
6/04/2008 Bel Ronde van Vlaanderen 5. USA HINCAPIE George
2/04/2006 Bel Ronde van Vlaanderen 3. USA HINCAPIE George
3/04/2005 Bel Ronde van Vlaanderen 7. USA HINCAPIE George
4/04/2004 Bel Ronde van Vlaanderen 10. USA HINCAPIE George
7/04/2002 Bel Ronde van Vlaanderen 4. USA HINCAPIE George

by Merry Crankster on Apr 1, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah

Hincapie. He’s next in line for a feature. And by the way, others can write these things too.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 1, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Touche!

lol

Myself I am gearing up to write about the biggest week in cycling- yeppers: Basque week!

by ursula on Apr 1, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK

that’s important, no doubt. I was dropping that hint on pretty much everyone else.

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 1, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah Basque week, kicking off with the GP Idurain, aka. The Fabian Wegmann show

wait is that in the Basque Country? I don’t know what I’ll do the Sunday between the GP and the Tour of the Basque Country, wish there was some important race on.

"It’s disappointing. Second place is the first loser."
~Heinrich Haussler (GERMANY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Cervélo TestTeam

by Phil H. on Apr 1, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you want us to do?

You get Chinese English but I will do sort of something in a while.. As.For practise of my English exam

Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..

by Frinking on Apr 1, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I write it.. do a.... As/for....

OMG…

Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..

by Frinking on Apr 1, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about

some Rabo coverage? What’s the Dutch media saying? Your observations on Nuyens or Langeveld?

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 2, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not on the list I saw but I'm not the definitive source or anything.

And noting how low Hoste’s odds are there is a Belgian bias going on that the odds makers need to deal with. That’s why I note the odds for Hushovd who I would certainly favor over \o/. Understandable. But, yeah, I’d think you’d get some quite attractive odds on Hincapie.

by ursula on Apr 1, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahahahah

past performance is the best predictor of future results? Something like that

"Never swing a small stick. " Andy Hampsten

by Hons on Apr 2, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Boonen is the men to beat"

i think mainly is QuickStep. Only if Rabo and Cervelo play very well, they can move QS from winning.

by semprenaroda on Apr 1, 2009 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

HH and Pozzato who form an ally agaisnt Boonen!

That will be interesting!

Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..

by Frinking on Apr 1, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

fyi

the commentors on tve routinely refer to Flecha as “Tony” . . .

Very confusing . . .

by R Mc on Apr 1, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Holy Crap i'm getting excited

I’’ll be in same hotel as Boonen in 24h, let’s see if i can ask him how he is going and what his chances are ..hehe
I’ll get back to you and post it on my diary if i get it…

"the rest was over 30. And that doesn't mean old and useless, but experienced and with the stamina"

Jens! Voigt, Crit Intl Interview, 2009

by CycleGirl on Apr 1, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

When you see your sort of Aussie mate GHH

tell him to give me a shout out when he wins Flanders.

"It’s disappointing. Second place is the first loser."
~Heinrich Haussler (GERMANY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Cervélo TestTeam

by Phil H. on Apr 1, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep right after I give him his congratulations Kiss!!

"the rest was over 30. And that doesn't mean old and useless, but experienced and with the stamina"

Jens! Voigt, Crit Intl Interview, 2009

by CycleGirl on Apr 1, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh and he is sort of Aussie now.. haha

"the rest was over 30. And that doesn't mean old and useless, but experienced and with the stamina"

Jens! Voigt, Crit Intl Interview, 2009

by CycleGirl on Apr 1, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I wont deny the dude is more Aussie than German

and I don’t see anything wrong in both of us sharing his spoils, he kicks ass no matter what he is.

"It’s disappointing. Second place is the first loser."
~Heinrich Haussler (GERMANY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Cervélo TestTeam

by Phil H. on Apr 1, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

and he is gorgeous!!

"the rest was over 30. And that doesn't mean old and useless, but experienced and with the stamina"

Jens! Voigt, Crit Intl Interview, 2009

by CycleGirl on Apr 1, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Ok, that to

there could be some serious hair on the podium this year.

"It’s disappointing. Second place is the first loser."
~Heinrich Haussler (GERMANY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Cervélo TestTeam

by Phil H. on Apr 1, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes thats true

HH and Pippo together that would be awesome,

"the rest was over 30. And that doesn't mean old and useless, but experienced and with the stamina"

Jens! Voigt, Crit Intl Interview, 2009

by CycleGirl on Apr 1, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boonen

He had derailer problems on Saturday, didn’t he? If so, not sure he would have lost….

by Crazy D on Apr 1, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

So they say

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 2, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Huh

This thread seems curiously short on illustrations.

And yes, Boonen is the favorite, to the extent that anyone in a race like the Ronde can be.

by Jen See on Apr 1, 2009 10:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Boonen...

lost because Pippo played it smart and forced Tom to lead it out. A great sprinter can beat poor sprinters from the front, but its tough when you have someone like Pippo behind you who isn’t so shabby.

by Huntero on Apr 1, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Question: How does one pronounce Mol in Cobblese?

I am inclined to say it like English “Maul.”

Mon coeur appartient à les forçats de la route.

by Josenka on Apr 1, 2009 11:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Polyvalent

Good word, never seen it used before.
“something which has many values, meanings or appeals”

by jsallee00 on Apr 2, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions  

in portuguese

we always named a complete football player, like he is polyvalent. When they can play in every sides of defense and even in midfield.I only translate to english in this case…

Pepe is a polyvalent defender. :P

by semprenaroda on Apr 3, 2009 6:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

it works :-)

I’m not sure I would ever have thought to use it that way, but it definitely works.

by Jen See on Apr 3, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

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