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Sea Change

Vds2_mediumCobbles? What cobbles? With Scheldeprijs in the books, the cobbles/Northern Classics season closes. Rumors are rampant that Quickstep will somehow hang around till next year, but they are just rumors at this point.

Seriously, what other sport in it's midseason totally transforms itself, demanding a whole different skill set among it's participants?What sport takes it's biggest stars of the beginning of its season and consigns them to Filene's basement?  Every year I marvel at this for a few days and since those few days now and I'm armed with a computer I thought I'd throw a table at you to show how big those changes are. Perfect Wednesday fare to keep you from doing any constructive work while our Canadian overlords consolidate power!

The table's on the flip and I'm using VDS numbers in them. Now for those whose eyes glaze over at the mention of VDS, the ultimate purpose here is to use those numbers for more a more general understanding of what's about to happen once the Ardennes Classics hit us.

The table has three pairs of columns: 

A) The left hand pair have the top 15 VDS point earners this year with their points earned. This column gives us a general understanding of the best riders this year to date.

B) The middle pair, top 15 VDS point earners last year at the same time with points earned.

C) The right hand pair, top 15 VDS point earners at the end of last year with points earned, which should show a very different group of riders.

Okay-get ready to flip but be careful if you see McEwen leaning against you!

Star-divide

The first column here was complied by majope in an earlier post. 

The names below that are in bold are riders who earned more than half of their points in the Northern Classics. Italics means they earned a substantial portion of their points in those same races.

Top 20 09 Rankings thru ScheldeprijsPointsTop 20 08 Rankings thru ScheldeprijsPointsEnd of 08 season VDS RankingsPoints
1. Heinrich Haussler 985

1. Fabian Cancellara

952 1. Bert "The Accountant"  Contador 2765
2. Thor Hushovd 960 2. Philippe Gilbert 700 2. Alejandro Valverde 2481
3. Tom Boonen 925 3. Tom Boonen 675 3. Davide Rebellin 1991
4. Alberto Contador 861 4. Pippo Pozzato 635 4. Cadel Evans 1690
5. Pippo Pozzato 815 5. Stijn Devolder 615 5. Fabian Cancellara
1622
6. Sylvain Chavanel 618 6. Alessandro Ballan 605 6. Levi Leipheimer 1520
7. Stijn Devolder 565 7. Oscar Freire 571 7. Damiano Cunego 1395
8. Mark Cavendish 515 8. Nick Nuyens 545 8. Alessandro Ballan 1335
9. Lulu Sanchez 488 9. Davide Rebellin 526 9. Oscar Freire 1322
10. Marcus Burghardt 485 10. Enrico Gasparotto 511 10. Kim Kirchen 1257
11. Juan Van Der Flecha 455 11. Juan Antonio Flecha 455 11. Carlos Sastre 1207

12. Alessandro Petacchi

415 12. Alberto Contador 405

12. Sigh...Bennati

1140
13. Fat Toni Colom
390 13. Sylvain Chavanel 376 13. Phil Gilbert 1090
14. Tommy Lovkvist 365 14. \o/ 350 14. Bobo Gesink 1077
15.Big Ed Boasson Hagen 330 15. Thor Hushovd/GVA tie 330 15. Tom Boonen 1019

 

Fun stuff in that table.

- So next year when Paris-Roubaix rolls around, will you, dear reader, bet the house on Flecha finishing at whatever place in the standings that gets him to 455 VDS points?

- More to the point, 9 of this year's top 15 VDS points earners to date earned them in the Northern Classics- plus 2 more earned a good part of their point haul there too. That includes the top 3 and 7 of the top 8. Amazingly, this year pales compared to last year where the Cobbles riders were even more dominant.

But then you get to last year's season's end where just 2 of the 15 were cobbles warriors, 3 including Spartacus who earned most of his points elsewhere, including 2 of the bottom 3. Not shown here is that #16 on this list is Joaquim Rodriguez, another non-cobble guy, just 2 points away from Boonen's point total. The point here is not to show that if you have a cobbles heavy team you'd better crow now because we non-cobbles teams are gonna bury you soon. Well actually it is but back to my main point, it's almost like there are two totally different sports going on using the same bikes and riders. Look again at the 08 season end's rankings and Cancellara is placed high not just because of his cobbles prowess but also his amazing time trialing. 

Looking more that the 08 columns and the non-cobbles guys, just Bert and Tin Tin were able to crack the top 15 this time last year. Of the other riders in the season's end column,  #2 Valverde had just 50 points at this point of the season. #3 Evans had 245, #7 Cunego 235, #10 Kirchen 180, and #14 Gesink 222. #6 Levi? Zero points. #12 Bennati? Zero points too (he was injured). #11 Sastre? Zero points.

- Ballan, Cavendish, and Freire (and probably Benna) are straddlers- getting some cobbles points (a lot for Ballan) but ultimately most of their points outside of Belgium. So for the cobbles guys you can see four futures for them, four scenarios for the rest of their seasons:

1) Oblivion. Grunt domestique work with no chance at glory. Van Summeren pursues another lanterne rouge. \o/ probably is throwing up his hands all the time but he's so far back in the peloton that no one notices- except Evans who wonders why is this guy on his Tour team. Flecha guides Gesink and Menchov over the flat parts of the Grand Tours. Almost all of these guys will never get close to another VDS point this year.

2) Bunch sprinters. Interestingly, except for Boonen, who's lately speaking of his lack on interest in sprinting, the Cobbles guys who pack a sprint are more peripheral to the Cobbles season, mainly riding in the few flat races that aren't hard-core Belgian racing. Some of these guys like Pozzato might try for breaks.

4) "Climbers" either Ardennes-style or Devolder, who fancies himself for the Tour. Funny guy that Devo. The problem for him though is that the tactics that he uses to win Flanders look stupid in a hilly stage race. His rivals just wear him out. But besides him there are few who can make the bridge to any kind of hilly racing. Ballan is one and it will be interesting to see how he does when he gets back as he'll have fresh legs. Oscarito is another but he actually doesn't get results. You'd think he'd notice that. Two other names: Gilbert and Gasparotto, both on new teams and both being primed this year for the Ardennes after mostly skipping the cobbles.

5) Then there's Cancellara, a category all his own. Chrono man. Sprinter from 2K out. Looking to becoming competitive in the hilly races. Wonder if Boonen will follow him?

So say goodbye to all the Cobbles races that we came to love. In a way it's cool how Pro Cycling so transforms itself:

 

1) Pre-season prep races

2) Classic & Cobbles Season

3) Ardennes April Interlude

4) Grand Tour Spring and Summer Smackdown

5) Fall Classics close

 

Time for Part 3.

 

 

 

 

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Interesting stuff, indeed.

You can also see how a bad spring can mess things up for a rider. Last year, Cancellara earned only 200 points outside the Olympics from this point forward—140 in the Tour de Suisse and 60 in the Tour de France.

Okay, without the Olympics he’s bound to do other races he skipped last year, but I don’t see him making the Top 15 this year. Likely HH or Thor will take his place—if the rider totals end up similar to last year, they don’t have far to go.

"Sean Kelly? Sorry, I am not so good with cycling history. I just want to race." --Edvald Boasson Hagen

by majope on Apr 15, 2009 7:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm pretty sure Cance wasn't too destressed about his lack of VDS points after the spring last year

I have a weird feeling that he was still very pleased about his second half of the year, could just be me though.

First place in monuments so soooooo overrated, 2nd is were it's at.

by Phil H. on Apr 15, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually...

A recent quote from Spartacus:

I have had a very bad spring, which most of all messes me up in the VDS standings. I apologise to all my owners and will do my utmost to make up for it."

Okay, I will say that Cancellara is a pretty good bet for the Worlds- bot races- especially since they are in Switzerland this year. Plus with the Worlds being cat 2 races, upgraded from last year’s cat 4 (and the Olympics were cat 4 too) that should help.

by ursula on Apr 15, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had no idea he values his VDS standing so highly

unlike Boonen who wrote this back after I requested he sprint for the minor placings for VDS sakes, “FUCK NO, YOU MORON, IF YOU ASK ME THAT ONE MORE TIME I WILL GO HOSTE ON YOUR ASS!”

First place in monuments so soooooo overrated, 2nd is were it's at.

by Phil H. on Apr 15, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Phil I think that was directed personally to you.

To me, the co-setter of the VDS prices, he’s the world of politeness, even asking if I would like to meet Lore.

by ursula on Apr 15, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes it was directed towards me

probably because I bluntly called him a “cocaine snorting asshat” after I threatened him if he didn’t sprint for minor placings. Those damn hooligans at P-R were supposed to spit on and boo Boonen, not Pippo….they screwed up!

First place in monuments so soooooo overrated, 2nd is were it's at.

by Phil H. on Apr 15, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

So sensitive, that Tom.

Really! What part of ’cocaine snorting asshat" did he object to?

by ursula on Apr 15, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The snorting part

he prefers to call it inhaling accidentally, he’s very stubborn and very much in denial still.

First place in monuments so soooooo overrated, 2nd is were it's at.

by Phil H. on Apr 15, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fortunately he won't be tempted...

while on vacation, at the beach, while dealing with that painful foot, which will probably be in a cast so he can’t swim, and has a lot of time on his hands. Nope. Won’t be tempted at all.

by ursula on Apr 15, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well he still has one thing that will keep him busy

and that’s practicing for future bunch sprints, luckily he hasn’t given up on those yet…………….

First place in monuments so soooooo overrated, 2nd is were it's at.

by Phil H. on Apr 15, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

majope's point

About bad springs. I was considering following the riders this spring with some kind of measure of points not earned. All the cobbles guys have most of their points for the year so we can safely say which ones over and under performed. We could do that as the season went along too.

Freire, Ballan, and Cancellara will all be VDS bargains next year- or would be if we don’t do some adjustments for their injuries. Still Cancellara won’t be a 25 pointer. (Now if you listen closely you can hear the sound of pencils all around the world writing in Spartacus for next year’s VDS.)

by ursula on Apr 15, 2009 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd say

You’d have to distribute VDS-cost by a moving average. This year I only had to look for riders that dropped in value hard and I found some bargains. On the other hand, some are actually really crap. Ah well, I’ll try a different strategy next year.

by Lopex on Apr 16, 2009 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Other points snapshots along the way last year:

So we can see where the points seem to count the most…

Post-Giro
Alberto Contador 1205
Davide Rebellin 1176
Fabian Cancellara 992
Emanuele Sella 940
Ricardo Ricco 900
Daniele Bennati 814
Philippe Gilbert 700
Tom Boonen 675
Thomas Dekker 675
Damiano Cunego 665
Oscar Freire 661
Filippo Pozzato 635
Cadel Evans 620
Stijn Devolder 615
Alessandro Ballan 605

Post-Tour
Cadel Evans 1485
Alejandro Valverde 1464
Kim Kirchen 1257
Alberto Contador 1205
Oscar Freire 1202
Fabian Cancellara 1192
Davide Rebellin 1176
Frank Schleck 950
Emanuele Sella 940
Thor Hushovd 922
Mark Cavendish 913
Ricardo Ricco 900
Daniele Bennati 814
Damiano Cunego 800
Carlos Sastre 800

Post-Olympics
Alejandro Valverde 1754
Cadel Evans 1640
Fabian Cancellara 1622
Davide Rebellin 1556
Alberto Contador 1365
Kim Kirchen 1257
Oscar Freire 1202
Frank Schleck 950
Emanuele Sella 940
Thor Hushovd 922
Mark Cavendish 913
Ricardo Ricco 900
Denis Menchov 870
Daniele Bennati 814
Andy Schleck 800

Post-Vuelta
Alberto Contador 2765
Alejandro Valverde 2481
Davide Rebellin 1706
Cadel Evans 1640
Fabian Cancellara 1622
Levi Leipheimer 1360
Oscar Freire 1322
Kim Kirchen 1257
Carlos Sastre 1207
Daniele Bennati 1050
Alessandro Ballan 1025
Robert Gesink 987
Frank Schleck 950
Tom Boonen 949
Emanuele Sella 940

Post-Worlds
Alberto Contador 2765
Alejandro Valverde 2481
Davide Rebellin 1866
Cadel Evans 1640
Fabian Cancellara 1622
Levi Leipheimer 1520
Oscar Freire 1322
Alessandro Ballan 1275
Kim Kirchen 1257
Carlos Sastre 1207
Robert Gesink 1057
Daniele Bennati 1050
Damiano Cunego 1045
Joaquin Rodriguez Oliver 1017
Frank Schleck 950

"Sean Kelly? Sorry, I am not so good with cycling history. I just want to race." --Edvald Boasson Hagen

by majope on Apr 15, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Ah yes. I remember these lists!

Yeah, let’s keep a hold of them.

I’ll go out on a limb and say SELLA! won;t get as many Giro points.

by ursula on Apr 15, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

must you use ITS name?

First place in monuments so soooooo overrated, 2nd is were it's at.

by Phil H. on Apr 15, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember them?

Damn. You mean if I’d known where to look, I wouldn’t have had to generate them myself?

"Sean Kelly? Sorry, I am not so good with cycling history. I just want to race." --Edvald Boasson Hagen

by majope on Apr 15, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

When I get home I’ll post links to posts with some of those lists.

Awful minds think alike.

by ursula on Apr 15, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool.

I have looked around some for info from last year, but most of the time it’s actually quicker to generate new numbers than to search the archives here. Direct links would be a blessing.

"Sean Kelly? Sorry, I am not so good with cycling history. I just want to race." --Edvald Boasson Hagen

by majope on Apr 15, 2009 8:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

Argh. Your search skills aren’t the problem. I got all these individual stats from last year- in a notebook. Never put them here. Damn. Sorry about misleading you.

Ah well.

by ursula on Apr 16, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still don't know why

you sacrificed the jar of tools for that blue arrow logo. The tools suited you far better.

by Monty. on Apr 16, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just what I need, more stats

Ursula and majope, you two take the stats tracking to a new level. Now I know I am not alone spending nights analyzing the numbers. And then after all that I end up being the 45th team to have HH and Bert. Ursula, I’m counting on your confidence that we’ll be “burying” the rest of them by seasons end. Thanks for sharing your work and giving me hope.

by DeanM on Apr 15, 2009 11:18 PM EDT reply actions  

BTW

I will fully update the standings today. Another busy week…

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 16, 2009 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

No hurry, the top of the table looks fine

How much could have happened really? Don’t beat yourself up about this. Just leave it as it is I say.

Moreover, it is my opinion that Alejandro Valverde is an asshole who should not be allowed to compete in bikeraces right now.

by Jens on Apr 16, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

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