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La Flèche Wallonne: War On the Mur

Fleche_mediumIf the takehome message of the Amstel Gold Race pre-race analysis was essentially "inside 30km anything goes," the pre-race framing of La Flèche Wallonne -- the Wallonian arrow -- couldn't be more different. Your job as a contender is to get to the Mur de Huy, the 1.4km finishing ascent (9% avg, 26% max) that defines the race, and kick til you drop.

Two things about the Mur: how it shapes the race, and who succeeds there. On the first score, it's not quite fair to say the Mur is the race, but you have to go back to 2003 to find an edition where that was not the case. Arguably the separation on the Cote de Ahin made the 2006 race, but that merely narrowed the field to a final dozen guys who you'd have expected to see fighting it out on the Mur anyway. Otherwise, the last five editions have all resulted in one form or another of a pack sprint up the feared Mur.

Second, and part of the same thing, is who you see there. In 2002 and 2003, the field was a mix of classics guys, including someone like Mario Aerts who violated all sense of order by winning La Flèche while being openly Flemish. Prior to then the field was less specialized, the only real trend being Moreno Argentin's tendency to win the race at will. Since 2003, however, the Mur has played host to more of an early-season battle among some of the biggest climbing stars in the sport. They say the quality of your win is defined by who you beat? Try this out:

2004: Davide Rebellin beats DiLuca, Scarponi, Kessler, Kloden, Vinokourov, VDB and Sammy Sanchez, among others, up the Mur.

2005: Danilo DiLuca beats Kirchen, Rebellin, Freire, Sinkewicz, Evans, Wegmann, Pereiro, Vino, Kessler and Cunego, among others.

2006: Alejandro Valverde outkicks Sanchez, Kroon, Schleck, Sinkewicz, DiLuca, Etxebarria, Kessler, Wegmann, Bettini, Ivanov, Koldo Gil, etc.

2007: Rebellin beats Valverde, DiLuca, Kessler, Ricco, Schleck, Gadret, Gesink, Wegmann, Freire, etc.

2008: Kirchen wins over Evans, Cunego, Gesink, Dekker, Rebellin, Pfannberger, Albasini, J-Rod, etc.

What you have is an emerging consensus in the race that there are a lot of riders who are prepared to wait for the Mur and see who has the legs. Even with Frank Schleck, Robert Gesink and Danilo DiLuca all missing for various reasons, you still have a race where most of the big teams will be content to keep things together for the Mur. Rabobank may change their minds, but Caisse d'Epargne, Silence-Lotto, Serramenti, Katusha, Saxo Bank, Columbia, Lampre, Milram, Euskaltel, and maybe Liquigas will all more or less welcome another big finish.

Steephill.TV has the list of climbs and relevant stats posted on their Flèche-board. The Cote de Ahin, 14km from the end, is a long 2.5km averaging 6%, and a classic is a classic -- ultimately any outcome is possible. But one outcome is far more likely than others. Frankly, while I am glad that most races aren't as strategically predictable as this, I am still thankful that La Flèche is. The all-out War on the Mur is one of the great annual spectacles of Cycling, and I will be rooting against every B-list breakaway Wednesday, no matter how nice a story it would contain. I want my Mur Mash-up!

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This finish is so made for J-Rod

that I’d be amazed if he didn’t win it eventually, but he’s been pretty silent lately so I don’t know what to expect from him Wednesday.

In Chauncey we trust!

by Phil H. on Apr 20, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Ok he's not been that quiet lately

but didn’t have that great of a AG.

In Chauncey we trust!

by Phil H. on Apr 20, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

So we're talking J-Rod, Rebellin, Di Luca--same guys who were good on Montelupone

Does that also give Lovkvist a shot here? Looks like he didn’t do FW last year, and was 32nd in 2007. He’s been quiet since T-A. Didn’t do AG, but is on the list for both Fleche and LBL. Maybe?

You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold

by majope on Apr 20, 2009 7:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I like Lovkvist :-)

He’s on the startlist, is he really starting? Heh, existential dilemma there.

But I really like his chances here.

by Jen See on Apr 20, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like he does, too

I just looked around to see if he’d said anything about the race and found this: Lovkvist planning to make his move in Fleche Wallonne

"Eroica’s finish is kind of similar to the final part of Fleche Wallone, a very similar steep uphill climb to the line," Lovkvist says. "Knowing that I did well in the Eroica helps boost my confidence for this one, too."

You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold

by majope on Apr 20, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet :-)

I’m looking forward to seeing how he does, for sure. He’s right that it has a lot in common with the Eroica finish.

by Jen See on Apr 20, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah Lovkvist will win this race sooner rather than later.

The difference though between this Wall and Wolf Mountain is that more riders are in shape and ready for it. J-Rod should win this sometime too, but it’s not the best climber necessarily who wins this; there are tactics to consider too.

by ursula on Apr 20, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure

There are always tactics to consider. Goes without saying.

by Jen See on Apr 20, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, tactics=good

But I don’t want to undercut Lovkvist when I mention tactics. The kid is made for this race.

by ursula on Apr 20, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lovkist?!

The only thing I don’t see him do… Ok.. Winning isn’t just on Lovkist vocabulaire.. It’s like Montfort.. Nice fill up for the top 10

Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..

by Frinking on Apr 21, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh maaan Frinking!?

Just when I was feeling the love for all things swedish from ursula of all people, you have to kill my buzz with this “reality” crap……..

Our clog-wearing killjoy has a point though. Eventhough I’m confident in Lövkvists physical ability to be the best on the Mur,he still has to prove his winning instincts. In short he has to make sure to arrive at the bottom in the right position and be savvy enough to know when it’s go-time. As ursula pointed out above there are a hundred wrong moments to launch on the Mur and only one right one.

Positioning he should be able to call on some assistance from his team (with his italian results as proof of his ability but naturally Kirchen is going to be Protected rider no 1). If he has the race-winning timing/instincts remains to be seen.

Moreover, it is my opinion that Alejandro Valverde is an asshole who should not be allowed to compete in bikeraces right now.

by Jens on Apr 21, 2009 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

oy

Moreover, it is my opinion that Alejandro Valverde is an asshole who should not be allowed to compete in bikeraces right now.

by Jens on Apr 21, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh! "Winning isn’t just on Lovkist vocabulaire" ?

Suck it Frinkster

Moreover, it is my opinion that Alejandro Valverde is an asshole who should not be allowed to compete in bikeraces right now.

by Jens on Apr 21, 2009 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

to be fair to Gesink

he did pull the Tour de France favourite up Mont Ventoux on that occasion. Lövkvist’s win at Eroice was A1, also.

by Wireless on Apr 21, 2009 4:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

to be fair to me

I didn’t post these images in the interest of fairness. I did it to mock the entire nation of Holland.

Moreover, it is my opinion that Alejandro Valverde is an asshole who should not be allowed to compete in bikeraces right now.

by Jens on Apr 21, 2009 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

So

How many TdF winners can Sweden boast of?

(exit stage left)

by Lopex on Apr 21, 2009 6:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Won't any Danes come to our rescue?!

You know, to repay us for giving the Swedes a jolly rodgering on their behalf in 1658?

by tedvdw on Apr 21, 2009 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

har!

then again isn’t Jens actually Norwegian or Icelandic or something like that?

ps “jolly rodgering” HAR!

by plinytheelder on Apr 21, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Gesink

Any rider that Levi announces that he’s using to win a race is a tool.

I mean when even Levi is picking on you…

by ursula on Apr 21, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL!

Just spinning the pedals in the hills of Western Maryland

by natbla on Apr 21, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tried to find something like that for Swedish riders but........

Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..

by Frinking on Apr 21, 2009 5:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Swedes don't sprint for second place

Moreover, it is my opinion that Alejandro Valverde is an asshole who should not be allowed to compete in bikeraces right now.

by Jens on Apr 21, 2009 6:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why not

And remember, Boonen did not win PR until Bäckstedt showed him how to do it.

Oh my, I've just fallen in love with Roger De Vlaeminck's sideburns.

by TheFigurehead on Apr 21, 2009 6:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sweden is soooo overrated..Whole Scandinevia actually...

Expect my grandmother off course littleoldlady

Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..

by Frinking on Apr 21, 2009 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why is your grandmother off course?

Did you give her a Dutch fling into the barriers?

You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold

by majope on Apr 21, 2009 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

You English should stay silent

If it wasn’t for our help against the Spanish Armada you’d all be speaking Spanish now!

I do love me some historic rivalries (that is almost pre-historic for our American readers).

by Lopex on Apr 21, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha!

I seem to recall that the wind was largely responsible for saving us on that occasion….along with the stirring speech of Elizabeth I at Tilbury docks of course:

“I know I have the body of a weak and feeble woman
but I have the heart and stomach of a king, and a king of England too! And think fowl scorn that Parma or Spain or any prince of Europe should dare to invade the borders of my realm! Ha!”

(ok, I added the ‘ha’ but I feel sure she must have said it)

by Albertina on Apr 21, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah she didn't say Ha!

but she did say, “In your face!”

by ursula on Apr 21, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adding

“Oh! Parma! You got served!”

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 21, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha

And why do you think we build all those windmills? To generate wind of course. To send the Spanish off course.

(You see Frinking, English is easy)

by Lopex on Apr 21, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

except

you probably want to use built instead of build.

"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!

by jsallee00 on Apr 21, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

and still hoping

the Spanish are in sailboats?
:)

"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!

by jsallee00 on Apr 21, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

you

forgot what nation initiates the “Discoveries era!”, the great Portugal :P

by semprenaroda on Apr 21, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

what do you guys call

the relationship with the Brits, “a aliança eternal”?

by plinytheelder on Apr 21, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have an eternal alliance with Portugal?

That’s news to me…though Portugal is quite nice so I won’t object ;-)

by Albertina on Apr 21, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Portugal still a country? I thought it was one of those

you read about in the history books. Damn Los Angeles School System!

by liteberer on Apr 21, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

check it out

I may have embellished somewhat, might be “friendly” rather than “eternal.” Seems like you guys have often had common enemies (Spain, France)

by plinytheelder on Apr 21, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well well...never knew that.

And it’s not like I have a history degree or anything…..ahem….

by Albertina on Apr 21, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

With the

frenchs i think we had a nice relationship, i think Napolean was the only exception.
But with Spain is different, Portugal was born because a spanish king gave some land to a lord. His children,grandchildren, lived to conquer land until they expelled from the Iberian peninsula. Portugal already have his independence but lived always afraid of Spanish threat.

Our most epic battle agains the Spanish was the battle of Aljubarrota. (english help us here :P)

1580-1640 we were commanded by spanish because our king died young in battle of Ceuta.

by semprenaroda on Apr 21, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Portugal

have a very great history. It’s a shame that we haven’t a famous movie maker, to make great movies about our history. That battle for example would be a epic film. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Aljubarrota

i think was 7000 portuguese against 30000 spanish!! we won thanks to the famous " Square tactic"!!

by semprenaroda on Apr 21, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure you do

what about Oliveira, possibly the greatest living filmmaker? At least I think he’s alive, didn’t he just make a film at over 100 years old?

by plinytheelder on Apr 21, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

despite that we

talk about crisis since i was born, we still exist.

I knew that we and England always are good friends, but here we have the idea that was much more advantage for England.

Let see: in time of Napoleão we were invaded by him, because Portugal didn’t close the borders to England (ports) like many countries in europe. Ok, England helped us to expulse french troops but our suport to England some experts said that was important to Bonna fall.

Almost a century after England did this to us.
“O Ultimato Inglês”, a big humiliation for us and years later one of the arguments to the fall of our monarchy.

by semprenaroda on Apr 21, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

*

because Portugal didn’t close the borders to England (ports), unlike many countries in europe

by semprenaroda on Apr 21, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clarification

Off course = scheepsterm, afwijken van koers
Of course = natuurlijk, vanzelfsprekend etc.

Lot of English speakers make that mistake too.

by Lopex on Apr 21, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

No. No, we don't.

You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold

by majope on Apr 21, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've heard that they do that in Wales tho

But maybe that’s just rumours.

Oh my, I've just fallen in love with Roger De Vlaeminck's sideburns.

by TheFigurehead on Apr 21, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thansk.. Got the joke... I think...

Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..

by Frinking on Apr 21, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

did you get the Wales one too?

Cause that was pretty funny

"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!

by jsallee00 on Apr 21, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I love about The Wall

Is that it’s just a little bit too steep and too long to bull rush.

What I mean by that is that most Classic hills up until The Wall, all the Murs and Poggios and what have you, are all short enough that a strong enough rider can just take them in one great woosh!, one great push of momentum. The on-form rider can out-last those hills, basically.

Then once we get to Grand Tour season we get to mountains where bull rushing is out of the question: those big HC climbs are made to survive on with little rushes and flurries of attacks that don’t take in nearly al of the climb. Even Contador in his finest climbing isn’t just racing up those mountains: he bides his time, waits for the others to tire, then makes an effort for just a little bit at a time, slowly opening up a gap.

The Wall here though is sort of in between an HC climb and a little Belgian Mur. We often see one guy blast off at the bottom- only to tire and fade, then another blasting past him- only to tire and fade, then a third blasting past.. maybe to win or maybe to tire also. You can’t just gather momentum and rush up The Wall- but The Wall isn’t so long that it becomes a war of attrition where everybody is cautious to start.

 And so this race is perfectly placed on the calendar.

by ursula on Apr 20, 2009 8:24 PM EDT reply actions  

well put

I like the way you characterize the wall as a “between” climb, between HC and smaller Belg.

thanks also to Chris for the write-up, I thought the last paragraph was particularly good.

by plinytheelder on Apr 20, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

formerly known as cyclingchallenge

by Willj on Apr 21, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently there's a little flat spot near the top

…that’s a very good place from which to launch an attack. You can see HWMNBN exploit this to perfection in his 1996 win.

The commentary basically says that he picked the exact right spot to go.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 21, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is now

He’s gone back to Luxembourg, still got a headache.

Oh my, I've just fallen in love with Roger De Vlaeminck's sideburns.

by TheFigurehead on Apr 21, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

jesus said

Lazarus, arise!
Go, climb the Mur! It won’t hurt,
you’re already dead.

by Steno on Apr 20, 2009 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Mur Mash-up?

Perfect phrase to sell the event to more Americans.

Mon coeur appartient à les forçats de la route.

by Josenka on Apr 21, 2009 12:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Fun Fact: No rider has won Fleche and a Grand Tour in the same year

since 1983 with Hinault…So if Valverde or any other faux-grand tour hopeful wins that should pretty much check them off the list of possible grand tour winners…as long as history goes anyways.

by Vlaanderen90 on Apr 21, 2009 5:00 AM EDT reply actions  

What, no Gerdemann?

And he was in such good spirits last Sunday:

via Luc Schmit on Facebook

by tedvdw on Apr 21, 2009 8:06 AM EDT reply actions  

53rd at Amstel.

Maybe we need him grim.

You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold

by majope on Apr 21, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which makes him even grimmer.

Oh, yes—the coals are simmering. When they finally flare up, expect spectacular results.

You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold

by majope on Apr 21, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is he

doing karaoke?

"Never swing a small stick. " Andy Hampsten

by Hons on Apr 21, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's hurt. Knee ligament, I think.

You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold

by majope on Apr 21, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

disappointing

but, if he decides not to ride LBL, I could see where he would want to take it easy here and not aggravate an injury right before the GTs start up…

by Le Comte on Apr 21, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Especially since he is doing his first TdF.

 a pity though as I think Rabo had high hopes for his Ardennes campaign.

Moreover, it is my opinion that Alejandro Valverde is an asshole who should not be allowed to compete in bikeraces right now.

by Jens on Apr 21, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which means what? They were only going to work half as hard when they chased him down?

You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold

by majope on Apr 21, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

That joke is going stale

Rabo did a perfect ride for Gesink in AGR.

by Lopex on Apr 21, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

He did a good ride there. Ivanov and Kroon had more in the end, but Gesink rode well for sure. Glad to see him get a result.

by Jen See on Apr 21, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree about the stale joke

But isn’t it ironic that in this race where Rabo worked well with Saxo and Katusha to stop any chasing, it was their rider on the break who was the most wiped out of the three, and who probably was getting injured in the process of vainly keeping up?

by ursula on Apr 21, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stupid Rabo

They should have just chased them down and launched Nuyens. I honestly don’t know what they were thinking.
(kidding)

Moreover, it is my opinion that Alejandro Valverde is an asshole who should not be allowed to compete in bikeraces right now.

by Jens on Apr 21, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why

Every teams tries to deliver their man to the position where he can finish the race. After that you need a little luck.

And Gesink is only 22. Cut the guy some slack.

by Lopex on Apr 21, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, like the Dutch cut the young 'uns some slack at Pavonia

where they massacred dozens of men, women, and children—and then played kickball with their severed heads.

I believe we are much nicer to Mr. Gesink.

You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold

by majope on Apr 21, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoa!

yeah damn Dutch, if only they’d been as nice to the Indians as the English, French, Spanish…

by plinytheelder on Apr 21, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like some historical quipping

But let’s not go exploring the darker pages of history every country is bound to have hidden somewhere. That is just not fun. At least, that is how I see it.

by Lopex on Apr 22, 2009 4:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

What about El Fares?

Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..

by Frinking on Apr 21, 2009 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

What about him?

No but seriously, my guess is that he was on the ride of his life in T-A. His Montelupone result was probably a little affected by the power of the leaders-jersey too. Now at the height of the season, when all the big boys are out to play I think we’ll see him further down in the resultlist.

Moreover, it is my opinion that Alejandro Valverde is an asshole who should not be allowed to compete in bikeraces right now.

by Jens on Apr 21, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also think that but if he wins... I can say I predict that ;)

But serious.. I seriously want to see El Fares.. Maybe it was the boost to trigger his talent

Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..

by Frinking on Apr 21, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

that would be nice, yes

Moreover, it is my opinion that Alejandro Valverde is an asshole who should not be allowed to compete in bikeraces right now.

by Jens on Apr 21, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

El Fares? Nah.

If that happens, I promise you can have a date.

by Albertina on Apr 21, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes!

This is what will finally put the Podium Cafe over the top: Cafe members gambling their affections on the outcome of professional cycling! I am completely for this. Except of course in jurisdictions where it’s illegal.

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 21, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha... The chance is even smaller than the Franzoi bet!

Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..

by Frinking on Apr 22, 2009 4:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

don't trust LeTour

I think they just update startlists when they are officially notified by the teams. Other media outlets are more current, and CyclingFever monitors the media.

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 21, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Er...

That post was cyclingfever. But the latest media reports have them both out.

Not that it really matters – we’ll either see them on the road or not ;-)

by Jen See on Apr 21, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

+10 for 'dissing' Chris.. ;)

Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..

by Frinking on Apr 22, 2009 4:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

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Recent FanShots

Oldest Race in the US.
Ooohhh - some toys are being thrown out of the pram!
Robbie McEwen Retires
World Record Breaking Paceline
o/t: I hope no insurance claim's involved
". . . but it's difficult to pick a favorite. They are still the same:...
Another winner with a tragic backstory
Kristin Armstrong finishing at the Tour of California TT 2012
Podium Insight: Kristin Armstrong and the Women's TT at ATOC
Look who was on the Col du Tourmalet today

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