Theo Bos: "This is really making me sick"
by tedvdw on Apr 20, 2009 5:56 PM EDT
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On his blog at rabosport.nl, Theo Bos (NED) writes in Dutch about the aftermath of his crash in the Tour of Turkey where he also took down race leader Daryl Impey (RSA). My translation on the flip.
This is really making me sick
Theo Bos, 20 Apr 2009 (transl.: tedvdw)
The reactions to the crash in the Tour of Turkey are no laughing matter. On Youtube you can see how I seem to intentionally cause a crash. Even Lance Armstrong makes it known that I should be suspended for a long time. A reaction which I fully understand after seeing the images and hearing the accompanying commentary.
Of course I also watched them myself, over and over. It is difficult to see in the view from above, it seems as though I pull him off his bike. However, I am completely boxed in there while being pushed into the barriers on the left and, as a reflex, the one thing I do is to make an ultimate attempt trying to keep him away from me. At that moment the only option, precisely to prevent the crash. I think I then hit a barrier foot with my front wheel and go crashing down immediately, together with Impey.
Anyone who knows me well, knows that I would never intentionally take the risk to cause a crash this way. Why should I: I take myself out as well. For years I have been a track sprinter at the highest level. Keirin is notorious for its pushing and pulling, the taking of risks. But do note: in those circles I am not known as a sprinter who takes extreme risks. In Japan this even earned me my nickname. It is not in my character. This is really making me sick.
For my transition from the track to the road I deliberately chose Rabobank's continental team. To learn the trade out of the limelight. I am not looking forward to being known for this. Naturally, I also told my story to Barloworld. I really feel sorry for Impey and have indicated to the team that I would like to discuss it with him, to tell my side of things. I have no reason to walk away from him but understand that he is angry.
I feel like shit for having become headline news in this way. As a sportsman, I want to show that I am a different man. This is bugging me. I hope that there is more footage. Perhaps those videos can be viewed side by side and analysed frame by frame. I would give everything to prove that this was not my fault. It was never my intention. Not even in the heat of the battle. I will have to convince everyone that I win my sprints differently. I love this sport. Sport is on the cutting edge. Fair play is part of that in every way. It is never worth going beyond that!
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Thanks for the translation.
I just watched this thing at last. Interesting, that he says he hit the barricade foot. That’s what it looked like to me, too.
by gavia on Apr 20, 2009 5:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bos also spoke a few words in tonight's Sports Round on tv
where said the barrier (slash barricade) foot made his front wheel turn into Impey’s bike. In his view, that is why Impey turned and crashed into the barriers (slash barricades). Of course, the fact that Bos decelerated rather quickly while sorta holding on to Impey’s jersey, didn’t help things for Impey.
by tedvdw on Apr 20, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops, meant to include link
It’s in Dutch! H.264 MPEG4, 2:02 min, 512×288, 20 MB.
by tedvdw on Apr 20, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ja, that's what it looked like to me
’specially after watching your hi-res.
You should linky that up here, too, while you’re at it.
by gavia on Apr 20, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh
Your every wish is my command. Fairly HQ video of the crash with slo mo images: H.264 MPEG4 video, 1:50 min, 512×288, 16 MB.
by tedvdw on Apr 20, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another translation
http://smaryka.blogspot.com/2009/04/theo-bos-in-his-translated-by-me-words.html
How stoked am I that there are now so many Dutch speakers here? Very very stoked.
by gavia on Apr 20, 2009 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can someone translate stoked? Thanks!
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
by Frinking on Apr 20, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excited
Or, used in a sentence:
“I was totally stoked when Rabobank chased down their own guy in a breakaway.”
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by Chris... on Apr 20, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh sorry
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by Chris... on Apr 20, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assumed she wasn't sexual excited....
But Thanks all!
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
by Frinking on Apr 20, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are so Dutch Frinkster :)
In Chauncey we trust!
by Phil H. on Apr 20, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that good?
And you finally left HH.. Well done.. Never support an Australian cyclist f you think he’s German
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
by Frinking on Apr 20, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't left him, check out my profile pic
I’m just taking a HH vacation with him. But I can’t wait tell he kicks ass at Le Tour!
In Chauncey we trust!
by Phil H. on Apr 20, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean Le Tour?
if so then the answer is yes. He is doing the Bayern Rundfahrt and I believe the TdS as prep once his vacation ends.
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by Phil H. on Apr 20, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got the Bayern Rundfahrts once
during a vacation in Mexico. Fucking sucks, dude.
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by Jimbo... on Apr 20, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you drink the water?
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by Phil H. on Apr 20, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was the ice, I think
in my margarita
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by Jimbo... on Apr 21, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuckers didn't serve caucasians?
Moreover, it is my opinion that Alejandro Valverde is an asshole who should not be allowed to compete in bikeraces right now.
by Jens on Apr 21, 2009 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes and no.
Dude... why WOULDN'T Thor ride the chicken?
by crashdan on Apr 21, 2009 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno if surfers
make these kinds of distinctions. And anyway if you ask them they just say “it’s all good.”
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by Chris... on Apr 20, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
it really is all good. especially if there’s a clean, northwest swell rolling in.
by gavia on Apr 20, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the sun is coming up
and there’s morning glass… and you have enough change in your ash tray for a burrito after
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by Jimbo... on Apr 20, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now, we're talkin' :-)
and maybe a donut or two before…
by gavia on Apr 20, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And cab fare
don’t forget cab fare.
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by Chris... on Apr 20, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cab fare? what is this cab fare you speak of
moreover WTF is a cab? I have a couple of cabs under my amp dude, they rock hard. Besides we don’t pay when we have perfectly good thumbs….
by Fred Marx on Apr 20, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, commenting quirk, was meant to go as follow-up to later post by Chris
by tedvdw on Apr 20, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Happy, excited, joyous
bursting with fruit flavor. SoCali surfer speak.
by gavia on Apr 20, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bursting with full flavor?
Now that made me smile :)
Dude... why WOULDN'T Thor ride the chicken?
by crashdan on Apr 20, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
stoked comes from adding fuel to a fire or a boiler
the stoker was the guy in the train who tossed the coal (or wood?) into the fire to run the steam engine on old trains. So when you’re stoked, you’re “fired up and ready to go”
by JFS_PGH on Apr 21, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ja
Thanks for doing this Ted! I have added some formatting for clarity, but that’s it.
Bos may be simply telling his side and may have a side to tell. There is little reason to believe anyone would be so cruel, and crash himself in the process, and at this speed a lot can happen besides what you think you see.
But I can’t help thinking that Rabo’s lawyers have a lot of incentive to put out a strong defense too. Here, I don’t think there will ever be conclusive evidence, so we’ll be left with this he-said, she-said.
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by Chris... on Apr 20, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sheesh I feel rather sorry for the guy...
At first the video outraged me. It certainly looked bad. But after several viewings I don’t think it can have been intentional. I don’t see whay anyone would do that intentionally for starters, when it was certain to bring you both down. And the explanations about the barrier/Bos slowing down therefore looking like he pulled Impey seem to make some sense. Not saying that he wasn’t being irresponsible in trying to fit through that gap and grabbing in the heat of the moment mind….but it can’t be nice being called a villain from all quarters when it was actually all a stupid accident caused by an unfortunate chain of events (which is what I think, and hope, it was).
by Albertina on Apr 20, 2009 6:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that was a pretty good apology
Hopefully, there is truth to it.
by dheadrick on Apr 20, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly I am in the wrong place.
Do an OTC cold medicine….to the gallows for you! Knock a guy off his bike, cause him bad injuries……politically correct endless rationalizing of the thug’s backpedalling and excuses. Unbelievable! And we do a post that Matty will be ok, but we do a Sumo humor post about the thug. How nice. Is the victim OK? No post on that? Few have even wondered. Unreal. Sleep well.
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by Rolls on Apr 20, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"Few have wondered," why would you assume that?
Never assume. And chill dude.
by tedvdw on Apr 20, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calm down there
this is a post translating Bos’s press relsease, because it was Dutch, Impey’s was English so there need’s to be no translation. The Sumo piece was surely meant as comedical relief to a very touchy subject, to calm people down so they wouldn’t burst out at people who see it differently then others! You know as well as everyone else here what really happened, and that’s not much, you can’t prove one way or another if it was intentional or not. So don’t go yelling at people who see it differently then you, just make your case why you think how you see it is correct. That would make your point much better.
In Chauncey we trust!
by Phil H. on Apr 20, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
unchecked agression
Chill
"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!
by jsallee00 on Apr 20, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is now my desktop on my work computer
Merci
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by Jimbo... on Apr 22, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the physics of the thing.
It’s not easy to throw a guy and a bike. Especially when you’re at the end of a day’s racing—make that several day’s racing, and the end of the day—and you have the upper body physique of a pre-teen.
Which is why some of us are looking for an explanation that makes sense, even if it isn’t what our eyes tell us. Bos’s bike isn’t on the screen, so we can’t tell what’s happening to his bike. YES, that matters.
I don’t know if he’s generally a shit, and I’m glad to wait to see if some other footage shows up.
by JFS_PGH on Apr 21, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no matter what Bos says,
he CLEARLY grabbed and threw Impey into the barriers. no excuse. too bad for bos.
by Bruce Suomi on Apr 20, 2009 6:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think, as I view it, in my opinion.
Thank you.
by tedvdw on Apr 20, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
watching it on a big TV,
only Swedish commentators missed it, the Finn, Danes and Norwegian commentators were pretty upset by Bos.
Thanks for the translation, just my opinion after listening different ones!
by Bruce Suomi on Apr 20, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I’ve watched over and over—
Two things to factor in:
1. The barriers are not straight—and in the section where the crash occurs, they veer in slightly towards the line of the riders. It’s extremely likely that Bos ran over a barrier, since
2. Impey veers slightly to the left, moreso after Bos touches his back.
Now . . . when you lose your front wheel at 55kph what are you gonna do? Grab on to whatever you happen to have your hand on. Which is what Bos did.
And that’s one of the reasons why the rule is “keep your hands on the bars.” Not that keeping his hands on the bars would have kept Bos upright in this case. He had the door closed on him. Not intentionally by Impey, I don’t think, but by sloppy barrier placement and by some equally sketchy riding by Impey.
by R Mc on Apr 20, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw nothing sketchy about Impey's riding, he was squeezed by the flow of the pack...
especially the big dude on his right
by sminer on Apr 20, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but the first two sentences of your last paragraph
are the key – in other words, it’s probably not malicious, but it’s still poor riding, and hence ultimately still Bos’s fault in my opinion. I don’t think it warrants a lifetime ban, but I do think it warrants some kind of penalty.
by plinytheelder on Apr 20, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
probably not malicious but no, in a pack of cyclists you really shouldn’t grab on to whatever you find around you. I also agree with a temporary ban for dangerous riding. Has anyone ever seen something like this before – a guy’s going down and grabs on and pulls another rider down with him?
by yeehoo on Apr 21, 2009 5:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the translation. .
I wish there was another video view point out there. Why were the barriers so crooked? I just can’t believe anyone would be malicious.
by cyclingdiva on Apr 20, 2009 6:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Watch the video again and focus on the barriers.
Every time I watched it you could see that they were weaving back and forth like a drunk sailor had set them up. There really didn’t appear to be any road furniture, just a lousy job of setting up the barriers. I think CN mentions this. Given that evidence I’d be the wimp that stayed far away from them, it takes incredible nerve to be racing at top speed in those circumstances.
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I ain't no philosopher, I dance in the street.
by flying dog on Apr 20, 2009 6:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if you looked at the shadowing
you can almost see where bos had to have hit the barrier foot.
by gavia on Apr 20, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched the slow-mo hi res one above
Couldn’t tell because the screen cuts off Bos’ lower body. Shadows you say? Does his bike change direction suddenly?
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by Chris... on Apr 20, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the shadows of barricades on the pavement
Watch the spacing of the barricades – ie, where the feet are, then watch where bos suddenly jerks. it’s right about where his front wheel probably hit the foot of the barricade. then, at almost the same time, he grabs jersey on impey. even if he hadn’t grabbed impey, they were both going down, but grabbing the dude, made it look more aggressive than it was. looked accidental to me. if you watch the barricade shadows, you can also see more clearly that they aren’t lined up – some of them stick out more than others. bos had his hand on impey to keep him from closing the door, then it all went to poo.
{shrug}
dude fucked up – but he’s no thug, in my view.
by gavia on Apr 20, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but do you know who's a thug?
Chris Paul, that’s who! What a little shit flopper, trying to draw fouls by kicking his leg out and drawing contact. Well it sure didn’t help him yesterday!……Sorry, I’m in playoff mood here.
In Chauncey we trust!
by Phil H. on Apr 20, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giro's not till next month
save the Italian impressions until then.
by Sui Juris on Apr 20, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Impression of Game
What did you think of the overall play of all the Nuggets? I thought it was great. Finally a Nuggets team playing as a “team” Especially Defense.
Alpe Du Huez is my favorite place on earth!!!!!!
by mrmorales on Apr 20, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great play, Melo was not on and they still killed them
the Chauncey impact is huge, he kept the team in check when they got frustrated and the first thing he said after they won is that they have to now focus on game 2, because a first round loss doesn’t cut it this year. The team has played like a team much better this year, not that the national media would ever notice that, talk about lack of respect. Oh well we can prove them wrong by winning.
In Chauncey we trust!
by Phil H. on Apr 20, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
is truly unexpected. First sumo (guilty), now the NBA?
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by Chris... on Apr 20, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, who knew Theo Bos could cause such things to happen
don’t get me started on how great Sebastian Vettel will be in F1.
In Chauncey we trust!
by Phil H. on Apr 20, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will
That was a great drive by him in the China. I just hope he doesn’t turn into a one trick pony requiring it to rain for him to succeed.
by australopithecine on Apr 20, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, you tempted me
to me the best riders shine in the rain(that’s why the Braun’s didn’t win) and he’s being called the next rain meister(which Schumi was). He hasn’t had a good car until this year and in Australia he would have podiumed had it not been for his mistake(and that was very sunny). Plus he’s only 21.
In Chauncey we trust!
by Phil H. on Apr 20, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't think it was Vettel's mistake
Kubica chopped him in that turn and Seb had no where to go. This year is really turning out to be exciting.
by australopithecine on Apr 20, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, but he called himself an idiot
so I’ll just go with him and say it was his fault. I think Vettel has the most together from any driver, many have said this as well. Oh and this year will only be exciting if someone can stop the Braun’s. I hate those bastards!
In Chauncey we trust!
by Phil H. on Apr 20, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
New diffusers
across the board should speed some of the others up to compete with Braun.
by australopithecine on Apr 20, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh?
Jenson Button is arguably the best wet-weather driver on the grid! For the last few years his only good results have coincided with the skies opening – see Hungary 2006.
The Red Bull cars definitely seem to be performing better than the Brawns in the rain this season though, and Vettel is a classy driver. Great performance on Sunday and I wouldn’t be disappointed to see him as world champion some time soon.
Mark
by mpw5 on Apr 21, 2009 5:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus.... best post race presser ever
All three drivers were so relaxed and happy.
Not the usual corporate pablum we have endured.
by MavicMoto on Apr 21, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Iverson Effect
Best thing tNuggets did this year is trade Iverson. Best transaction for all Colorado Sports during the last year.
Cry Baby Cutler included.
Alpe Du Huez is my favorite place on earth!!!!!!
by mrmorales on Apr 20, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best transaction in many years
the pistons must be crying right now, AI can’t even play and they are going to get killed against Cleveland as the 8 seed.
In Chauncey we trust!
by Phil H. on Apr 20, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on man, whining about “national media” is the oldest thing in the book, there’s a reason no one takes the Nuggets seriously and it’s because every year it’s the same – they look great and then come playoff time they suck. Win a series or two before seeking respect.
That sounded harsh, I didn’t mean it to be, but…come on, this is still Enver until proven otherwise.
by plinytheelder on Apr 20, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh c'mon, you can't judge past playoff appearences on how a team will do this year
if you went on the past then you wouldn’t want the shitty Cavs in the finals, and the Spurs and Pistons will be a guarentee. I’m not asking for much respect but just a little acknowledgment that a team everyone had written off before the year just got the 2 seed.
In Chauncey we trust!
by Phil H. on Apr 20, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s true that getting the 2 was pretty impressive. But if you didn’t live in Denver, would you really pick the Nuggets to beat, say, San Antonio in a playoff series? I’m just saying that the Nuggets are a 2nd-tier team until proven otherwise in my book.
A bunch of people picked SA to beat higher-seeded NO last year, and they were right.
by plinytheelder on Apr 20, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Without Ginobli I think many would
I expect Dallas to beat them and I’m optimistic the Nugs will get to the west finals. But I’m not delusional and I know beating the lakers will take a huge miracle.
In Chauncey we trust!
by Phil H. on Apr 20, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
National Media
Phil is right about "National media: but the reality is that it might always be that way because the Nuggets are not in L.A., Boston, N.Y. or Chicago. Its that way with all the Colorado Sports teams…..I hate to say it but even if they do win a series or two it will probably still be the same. The coverage after the game last night still focused on the Lakers…as it has since Magic and the Lakers were playing. If your not on coast its like you don’t exist.
Alpe Du Huez is my favorite place on earth!!!!!!
by mrmorales on Apr 20, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true, Holliday not winning the MVP for instance
I think it has more to do with not being a big named team, the Broncos get plenty of coverage but the Rockies, Nuggets get nothing. The Avs a little more but there was nothing to talk about this year. Sure teams garner rep by winning championships but it’s unfair to ignore all those smaller market teams when they are having great years.
In Chauncey we trust!
by Phil H. on Apr 20, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
come on, "national media" is on the Avs's jock every year
or were until very recently. Coverage focuses on the Lakers because they won the west by 15 games or whatever.
by plinytheelder on Apr 20, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was a thug for that brief moment, in my view.
I don’t care if he was going down because he hit a barrier or if he got pinched or if Impey just said or did something else to really piss Bos off or any combination of those things, Bos grabbed Impey and hurtled him into the barriers. So many of you are trying to rationalize an irrational act and letting the irrationality of the act in front of you change the judgement your eyes can see but your mind can’t rationalize, “No one would do that intentionally” you say so you are lurching for an alternative to the act you’re witnessing. Then Bos denies the act as intentional and you say “See”, and Impey says it was intentional and you say “Well, he’s mad, of course he’s going to say it’s intentional”. And of course if Lance twittered he thought it was intentional, no ELPMO is then going to side with his view. Now shadows on the ground are more convincing than a Bos grabbing Impey and slinging him headlong into the barriers.
Now there’s some psycho-babble for ya.
by sminer on Apr 20, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude... why WOULDN'T Thor ride the chicken?
by crashdan on Apr 21, 2009 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Put a livestrong jersey on him
and I the next round of pork belly with kimchi is on me
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by Jimbo... on Apr 21, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everybody Hates Lance By Elmo!
Dude... why WOULDN'T Thor ride the chicken?
by crashdan on Apr 21, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dan, I am thinking Steph may not be the only one bowing at yorur feet when we see you next.
That’s too good for words.
"...if you're not going to pull through, I'm going to attack you." ~CVV (ToBC Stg 4)
by nikki on Apr 22, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree,
but I don’t think most people are viewing him as a thug, at least now that the initial shock has worn off. He fucked up, as you say…I don’t know, I don’t want to be hard on the guy, he definitely seems contrite, but to me it’s not the kind of fuckup a pro should make. And in general they don’t, I think that’s why we’re all so shocked, I personally haven’t seen anything like this before.
by plinytheelder on Apr 20, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sometimes when we are
on the edge we do somethings stupid. Even when they go against our principles. I believe that was what happen here…
in the video i saw him grabbing Impey, maybe he only realized his action after.
by semprenaroda on Apr 20, 2009 7:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Things to keep in mind here...
1) Race commentators, like pretty much everyone, suck at interpreting other people’s motives. They have a tough enough time getting the rider’s names correct. Why would anyone think they are any better at knowing what a rider is thinking.
2) The human brain is hard wired to identify dangers and to assign intent to what is happening around it in such a was as to help it best survive. But that doesn’t mean there actually is intent.
3) It makes absolutely no sense that Bos would ride up to the race leader during a bunch sprint, grab his jersey, and then pull them both into the barriers at speed on purpose. That is just suicidal. Even the Dutch are not that crazy.
4) Vagina
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by Jimbo... on Apr 20, 2009 7:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
As much as it pains me to agree with you, the part that sticks with me is just how little sense it makes to pull a guy down in front of you. Even at your angriest, you’ve still got a controlling sense of (immediate) self-preservation. The explanation of “put my hands on the guy, started falling, took him down with me” is pretty much the only one that makes any kind of sense to me.
Impey still deserves five or six punches, though. Broken teeth? Christ.
by Sui Juris on Apr 20, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bos deserves a zesty cock punch
or five…
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by Jimbo... on Apr 20, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or how 'bout
the five point, palm exploding heart technique?
suck it, fixie h8rz
by itswells on Apr 20, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when you can accomplish that technique with your thoughts (ie; hands on bars)
then a master you will be
by sminer on Apr 20, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defintitely
No Shadow Kick of Fu San. Also included in that clip: zesty cock punch.
Dude... why WOULDN'T Thor ride the chicken?
by crashdan on Apr 21, 2009 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does that scare you? (#4) I mean.... (And yes, at the recommendation of this group, I recently saw The Big Lebowski...
by liteberer on Apr 20, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another one
“initiated”
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by Chris... on Apr 20, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean coitus?
And welcome to the team
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by Jimbo... on Apr 20, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
devil's advocate
If your team-mate is doing well, taking out the yellow jersey is exactly the sort of low-rent, frame-pump-in-the-wheels [wink] move that some low-guy on the team totem pole might do. Anyone bother to check the rest of the standings? For sure, there was a rabo jersey in the final sprint.
No, I don’t like to think it works this way. But Kerin racing in Japan, god that’s a dirty sport in some ways. (More the funding and the betting than the riding, a guess, but it’s considered all in all very unsavory in Japan. Something like dog racing and the low end of harness racing in the US. Lot of money, all Yakuza controlled.)
by JFS_PGH on Apr 21, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Okay...
So of course this turns into a ‘he said, he said, see the (possible) shooter in the grassy knoll’ kind of a thing.
I remember hearing about some sort of rule saying that you can’t take your hands off of the handlebars during a sprint?
If Bos felt like he was getting boxed in, well, that’s what the elbows, forearms, shoulders, etc., are for.
by ManBicycleThing on Apr 20, 2009 7:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can easily imagine that this all is making him sick.
I mean it’s a bummer having so many people so upset with you for something that no doubt was not premeditated. That’s hell to be judged so savagely.
He still did it.
He still grabbed Impey.
Doesn’t matter about the barrier foot. We see the barrier foot cause crashes many times every year in a bunch sprint, the last being two weeks ago, The Tour of Flanders. Sucks when it happens and you can get real hurt when it does. Riders don’t go grabbing other riders when it happens though.
He should still have a seat on the bench for a good while.
by ursula on Apr 20, 2009 7:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If I'm the UCI
I would probably split the baby and ding him for dangerous activity, maybe give him the month off. The message would be that if it looks this bad, you’re in at least some trouble. And they can always say the intent is inconclusive but he had his hands on another rider, so he’s at least somewhat guilty.
I don’t think they can totally accept Bos’ explanation and leave it at that. But there probably isn’t enough evidence for a really severe punishment.
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by Chris... on Apr 20, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm copasetic with that.
A month off. First offense. We forgive you- but don’t let us see your hand reaching anywhere near some other rider’s should again.
by ursula on Apr 20, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"severe" being the key word
People see it differently as far as intent so the punishment can’t be severe, but everyone can agree that Bos grabbed Impey and brought him down with him. That’s enough for some kind of time out. So yea, even if it’s a month like Ursula said. Although if I were Impey, that wouldn’t begin to satisfy me.
by sminer on Apr 20, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's about right
As much as it pains me to admit it, I was part of whoveritwas’s “mob”. I don’t see how you can watch that video and not think “Death penalty to the asshole!” the first time around. But upon further reflection and info and a zillions viewings and whatnot, I think it comes down to Bos’ seriously fucking up (bad mens rea not required). For me, it turned on my inability to imagine a situation in which you are so angry that you are willing to throw someone else into the barriers, knowing that you’re going to screw yourself at least as bad. Bos needs to be smacked for what he did (and not just metaphorically – seriously, if I were in Impey’s camp, I would be planning to find a place to allow him to beat the ever loving shit out of Bos). I’m no longer, however, of the mind that it was an intentional throw-the-guy-into-the-barriers move deserving of a lifetime ban.
by Sui Juris on Apr 20, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hm
How are you not a federal judge? Maybe when that Ninth Circuit seat opens up…
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by Chris... on Apr 21, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously Chris
That kind of shit just ain’t funny… whaaa, you made me shiver…. damn….
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by Jimbo... on Apr 21, 2009 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bos screwed up
If I accept his comments at face value, it just means that Bos panicked — not very professional. Heck, Gregory Rast didn’t feel like he had to pull down Thor at the end of the ToF when he got squeezed into the barriers. Rast ate his barrier/pavement sandwich like a man.
The ultimate problem here is that having a tenderfoot sprinter who makes bad decisions in the middle of the peloton during runups like this is dangerous for every other rider. I think a suspension is in order, if only to assure all the other riders that such actions are unacceptable.
mbt
by ManBicycleThing on Apr 20, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reception
I’d be interested to see what reception Bos would get should he line up to start a race amongst the cadre of well known sprinters tomorrow. The like of Mc Ewen, Cavendish etc.
I know that if I was one of them I’d be putting lots of space between him and my wheels at all times; and probably for the next several races too.
by muk on Apr 21, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barrier foot thingy crashes
If memory serves me correctly, this USED to be a big problem at the Tour de France, particularly on the Champs D’Elysee finish. I clearly remember several horrible sprint crashes there…perhaps ASO has access to a kinder, gentler barrier for the last km or so….it would be great to see that technology shared across the sport !
by tonyver45 on Apr 20, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Economics make that tough
Most municipalities have access to the generic barriers that they use for crowd control, road closures, etc. To have special barriers would mean the race promoter would have to buy them and get them to the site. Maybe for ASO, this is ok? For most though, this is probably more hassle than it’s worth. Anything that will make getting the race permit harder, is probably a non-starter.
"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!
by jsallee00 on Apr 20, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barricades
FWIW, I work for a number of pro race promoters who own, rent, and borrow barricades. I have set-up many types of barricades over many miles in my work.
Crowd control barricades are very expensive to acquire, transport, and store. Thus they are used for all sorts of events, not just cycling.
Often they come from the local municipality where the event is being held and not from the race organizers. Though some race organizers (like ASO) have SOME barricades that don’t have feet that protrude onto the course, but the vast majority are generic barriers, many of which are fairly old. Here is a photo of the newer barricades: 
Of the traditional barricades some have tall/raised feet (like those used on this stage of the Tour of Turkey), while others are flat. The flat ones aren’t too bad to ride over, but the tall ones aren’t to be messed with.
When barricades don’t have feet that stick out on both sides, they can be very vulnerable to falling over from the wind (banners act as sails, and from crowds leaning on them, which is potentially even more hazardous than cyclists running onto them (because no one expects them to fall over, but the crowd only leans hard on them when the race is coming through), whereas the cyclists know the barricades & feet are there. These angled barricades even fall over when secured/counter-balanced with sand bags. I’ve seen them fall both onto the course and into the crowd, based upon different circumstances.
Furthermore, when assembled, these types of barricades take up a lot of space, because you can’t squeeze them together as well as you can the traditional barricades, so it increases the cost of setting up and tearing down. Some of them come apart (we call them tinker toy barricades), but they are a pain to set-up, take along time, and they make a lot of noise when you take them apart (like banging steel pipes together); because of this, the neighbors don’t tend to like them much either!
The race organizers need to ensure that whatever barricades they use, are set up in as straight a line as possible, and if the course is going to be narrowed, that this is done in a subtle and consistent manner. Stage races often present a problem, because crews don’t generally have as much time to set up the race due to transport requirements.
But regardless of what barriers are used and how they are laid out, the competitors are their own worst enemies. I am not saying that anyone intentionally puts someone into the fencing, but the riders skillfully push the limits to put others into the wind, or so they can only pass on one side, or sometimes even close the door on one another, just so they back off a bit. More frequently than anyone would like, something happens, even if only a moment of inattention, and someone hits a barricade and careens back into the pack, taking out others. Sure the feet cause an added hazard, but sooner or later, someone is going to bounce of the newer angled fence too.
by touriste-routier on Apr 20, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing
I learn something new here every day. Thanks for this!
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by Chris... on Apr 21, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, thanks!
You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.
by nicknorco on Apr 21, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about the flat plate with the post-holder?
sure, it’s not really flat, and it might be slippery if it gets wet, and indeed riders would probably again push too close. How about mandating red or yellow or orange day-glo paint on feet that stick out?
Or…we’re back here again…making riders get more practice with real-world barriers. Track guys are great cyclists, but they get to do a lot of their training in controlled conditions.
by JFS_PGH on Apr 21, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
loving the screen in the background
showing that crash… where? oh, the barriers
by Wireless on Apr 22, 2009 6:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should have just sat up
and thrown a bottle into Impey’s back. What would Tom Steel’s have do? Maybe these are words by which to live.
by australopithecine on Apr 20, 2009 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WWTSD?
Better yet.
WWJR.
What Would Jesus Ride?
A fixie I bet!
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by DemonCats on Apr 20, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus would ride your girl
to the end.
Just sayin.
by Sui Juris on Apr 20, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't there a commandment about that somewhere?
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by DemonCats on Apr 20, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Thou Shalt Have No Other God Before Me.
Now saddle up, bitch.
by Sui Juris on Apr 20, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prayed twice this weekend!
Awesome weather!
Racing for Victory and Free Beer!
by DemonCats on Apr 20, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well played...
Wow…
Dude... why WOULDN'T Thor ride the chicken?
by crashdan on Apr 21, 2009 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Steels, he got fired by *Lotto last week
Apparently he was a trainer. I say apparently, because noone noticed.
Oh my, I've just fallen in love with Roger De Vlaeminck's sideburns.
by TheFigurehead on Apr 21, 2009 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is missing
The thing missing from the message from Theo Bos is any sign that he cares about the man who picked up his teeth off the road. I can accept that it was an accident but that was a crappy apology.
by pws on Apr 20, 2009 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
SO GLAD YOU TRANSLATED THIS!!!
after reading the translation it is pretty plain and simple…..it was an accident. i was very suspicious watching the video but after thinking about it, why would he want to take himself out as well???? as far as i am concerned theo has demonstrated true sportsman like conduct and maybe lance spoke too soon. just my opinion!!!!!!
by kaisnumber1fan on Apr 20, 2009 11:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What?
After reading a translation of a comment from Theo, it’s now plain and simple to you that it was an accident? Time for me to go smoke some more of that stuff before I lose it. Wow. So watching Theo take a hold of Impey’s jersey and twist his hand into the jersey all looks accidental to you? OJ said he was innocent, that’s good enough for me.
by sminer on Apr 20, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever
Never said he’s sorry. Sound all self serving
by cooldadbert on Apr 20, 2009 11:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Chris for the satire
A little sarcasm is often the best offence-even if I don’t know shit about Sumo.
Y’all can drag this into the ground or even better just let it go. I watched the footage too and it looks like a twitchy Bos made a bad decision in a VERY dicey moment. Sucks but there it is. Price of doing business. Bikes go fast and bikes go down.
I’d like (Hell I’d pay) to see any one of you reading this to pull a better move in such a situation.
With luck I won’t be pressed into the rails on my ride to work in the morning.
by tshawytcha on Apr 21, 2009 12:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you're probably right
that we wouldn’t “pull a better move in such a situation,” but the point is, we’re not professional cyclists.
by plinytheelder on Apr 21, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I beg to differ
Been there many times.
by sminer on Apr 21, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be there in the first place
Ultimately all of this transpired because Bos shoved his wheel into a gap that was never there.
That never, ever works out well; ever.
Never stops people from trying though.,
And I know that is a lot of definitives, but they are all 100% true.
by muk on Apr 21, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was talking about being squeezed up against the barriers
I don’t think Bos shoved his bike anywhere, looked like he got squeezed, quickly realized his fate and decided to take the man down with him. I can believe he is sick from the attention of his actions, if he has a conscience he would have to be sickened by what he did.
by sminer on Apr 21, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was no where to go there anyway
When I say shoved his wheel into a gap that wasn’t there, I mean that he tried to move up between Impey and the barriers when there was clearly not enough space to do so.
He quickly found himself beside Impey and (apparently) riding on the feet of the barriers. The rest is burnt flesh and broken bones.
He should have been more patient – only @ 700m – and not been so optimistic/aggressive to be trying to gain position like that.
This is where i love watching Mc Ewen at work, especially from overhead shots. He seems to somehow be able to gain positions through the middle of the group versus sliding between barriers or via a long lead out train on the outside. This is why he frequently “just appears out of no where”. It truly is an art.
by muk on Apr 21, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps this incident will improve rider safety...
But so many have declared who is guilty as they do whenever doping allegations arise because no one wants to await the lawful drudgery of systematic apprasial because declaring someone guilty gives rise to the opportunity to snark. All these people crying for banishment for pushing, for whatever reason, get totally distracted from the doping situation blah blah blah Bos just pay the medical bills and write some apology that would make Oprah weep so this does not drag out like OP, lasting forever.
Mon coeur appartient à les forçats de la route.
by Josenka on Apr 21, 2009 12:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hanlon's razor
And I’m the decider today.
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by TheFigurehead on Apr 21, 2009 4:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Impey doesn't buy it...
Apologies if this has already been posted elsewhere…)
From Impey’s website (under News):
Well the final day of Tour of Turkey is over. It was really bitter-sweet for me as I would’ve like to enjoy the moment in yellow afterwards with my team who worked so hard to keep the jersey. I got taken down deliberately by Bos from Rabobank, you can even see it on youtube, only one word for him and that is a true chophead. He doesn’t deserve to race anymore and I am thinking about going to the UCI about his dangerous riding.
by kisdm001 on Apr 21, 2009 5:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
according to Wielerflits
The UCI may investigate Bos after all, http://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/3453/
(translation)
The UCI is retaining the right to levy Bos with a suspension, according to a spokesman quoted in Het Laastse Nieuws. “We’re waiting first to read the report of the president of the jury, then according to the rules we can reopen the case.” The race jury disqualified him after the race and fined him 200 swiss francs.
The Dutch jury member Miriam van Es watched the video in Alanya on Sunday. “Theo Bos tried to squeeze into a space that just wasn’t there. We saw how he grabbed hold of Impey, but we were unanimous that he didn’t do it on purpose”, is what she’s quoted as saying in Het Nieuwsblad.
The full Het Nieuwsblad article is here, http://www.nieuwsblad.be/sportwereld/Article/Detail.aspx?articleID=GDB298U7A
by smaryka on Apr 21, 2009 5:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But the big question..
Does Lance now know my name?!
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
by Frinking on Apr 21, 2009 7:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lance just twittered about you this morning!
he said “Their’s nothing I enjoy more than reading Frinkster’s excellent comments!” ;)
by plinytheelder on Apr 21, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha how cool`!
Have I said I Loooove cancer?
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..
by Frinking on Apr 21, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just in
Danny Macaskill to tutor Theo Bos and Daryl Impey on bike handling:
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Z19zFlPah- o
by R Mc on Apr 21, 2009 9:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That is so sick, I'm stunned.
I don’t even feel worthy to comment.
by sminer on Apr 21, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hOLY CRAP!
The Scottish Ryan Leech. How long before one of these trials guys escapes from Alcatraz on a MTB?
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by Chris... on Apr 22, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My old cat used to do all those things...
and his brain was the size of a walnut.
Conclusions?
(OK, that’s in my “favorites” now. Very cool.)
by JFS_PGH on Apr 22, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe your cat was ahead of his time
and had already gone tubeless? He’s your cat, why you asking us…
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by Jimbo... on Apr 22, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's pining for the fjords / an ex-cat
now. But seriously, I get snakebit on railroad tracks, and this guy’s jumping off a roof onto a railing. What’s he got in those tires????
by JFS_PGH on Apr 22, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing to do with what's in the tires
The guy is obviously a ninja
by sminer on Apr 23, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, moving along,
what do ninja’s have in their tires? I can’t imagine a way to land lightly after dropping 8 or 10 feet straight down.
by JFS_PGH on Apr 23, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barloworld DS Claudio Corti spoke
“I’m certain that the race judges will take the necessary disciplinary action and adequately sanction Theo Bos for what he did. If they do not, every directeur sportif will be able to tell their riders to use their hands to make room for themselves during sprints.”
by Monty. on Apr 21, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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