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Why La Doyenne Is Different

Lbl_mediumIf you look at the other Big Classics Week, it's quite easy to tell one race from another. Yes, the similarities outnumber the differences, but each race has its own Classics plague as its signature. Tour of Flanders: sharp little climbs. Gent-Wevelgem: wind. Paris-Roubaix: ___ [It'll come to you...]

Can you break down Ardennes Week this way? Let's try. I'll name the races and you write down the first thing that pops in your head.

1. Amstel Gold Race

2. Fleche-Wallonne

3. Liège-Bastogne-Liège

What popped into your head? On the flip...

 

Star-divide

1. Beer. OK, maybe the Cauberg. Or the number 31, as in total of climbs.

2. The Mur. You know it, I know it, they know it.

3. Le Cote de la Redoute? Bernard Hinault in the snow? Italian climbers? Alejandro Valverde?

For me, the defining image of Liège-Bastogne-Liège is 3km. The signature of the race is fewer, longer, harder climbs, including five ascents coming in just under or over 3km, all of which will put a dent in your legs. Here's your list:

  • Km 57.5 - Côte de Ny - 1.8 km climb to 5.7 %
  • Km 82.0 - Côte de la Roche-en-Ardenne - 2.8 km climb to 4.9 %
  • Km 128.0 - Côte de Saint Roch - 0.8 km climb to 12 %
  • Km 172.0 - Côte de Wanne - 2.7 km climb to 7 %
  • Km 178.5 - Côte de Stockeu - 1.1 km climb to 10.5 %
  • Km 184.0 - Côte de la Haute-Levée - 3.4 km climb to 6 %
  • Km 196.5 - Côte du Rosier - 4.0 km climb to 5.9 %
  • Km 209.0 - Côte de la Vecquée - 3.1 km climb to 5.9 %
  • Km 226.5 - Côte de la Redoute - 2.1 km climb to 8.4 %
  • Km 241.5 - Côte de la Roche aux Faucons - 1.5 km climb to 9.9 %
  • Km 255.5 - Côte de Saint-Nicolas - 1.0 km climb to 11.1 %

By contrast, in Amstel Gold the toughest climbs are sharp little monsters, but all in the 1km-ish range. The race features a handful (five??) of climbs roughly at or over 2.5km, but none averages more than a 4% gradient. In La Flèche, the Côte de Peu d'Eau is the longest at 2.7km, averaging but 3.9%.

Like La Flèche, L-B-L counts a mere eleven ascents, but they are brutes. Three climbs in the 1km range, the easiest of which averages 10.5%. Five more in the 1-3km range, all but one in the 6-7% range. Three mega-climbs between km 184-209, none under 5.9%.

But this is only part of the story: you could just as easily count 23 climbs on the course, though for whatever reason where the AGR organizers would do so, the L-B-L team does not. Côte de Sprimont? 1.5km at 5%... not counted. [An unpleasant surprise coming just after La Redoute.] Finish in Ans, a rise of 65 meters in the last km (ergo an average 6.5% grade)? Not counted. Look at the profile generally and tell me where the easy spots are in the last 100km:

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This is a hard race. Yes, Amstel and La Fleche are hard, but this is hard.

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you could have saved me a lot of time by speaking up sooner…

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by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 22, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

[adding]

2700 words where six will do…

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by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 22, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

But admit it, you had fun with those 2700 ;-)

by Jen See on Apr 22, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

dutch,

belgian, belgian

Viva la Lactique

by nrs5000 on Apr 22, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can answer this one -

Look at the profile generally and tell me where the easy spots are in the last 100km

The downhill bit between km 209-223?

But your point stands, despite my facetiousness.

by Mark T1979 on Apr 22, 2009 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe

depending on whether they’re using actual roads. Still, with Frank Schleck back at home, at least they’ll be safer.

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by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 22, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey I just realized a trend so far in the Ardennes

Amstel: Kroon outsprinted, finishes 2nd
La Fleche: A. Schleck outsprinted, finishes 2nd
Saxo is the HH of pro teams suddenly!

In Chauncey we trust!

by Phil H. on Apr 22, 2009 6:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Are you suggesting the next PdC poll should be

’Which Saxobank rider will finish second at LBL?"

by Mark T1979 on Apr 22, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kolobnev!

"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!

by jsallee00 on Apr 22, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jens!

Ok he’s not racing but I haven’t been able to say that for a while. BTW wtf is Saxo doing not racing Jens! in these races?!

In Chauncey we trust!

by Phil H. on Apr 22, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

You haven't heard?

His focus is on the tour this year.

"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!

by jsallee00 on Apr 22, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he didn't want too

Just my thoughts!!

And phil do’t go dissing my SexyBank Boys!!!! There will be trouble

"the rest was over 30. And that doesn't mean old and useless, but experienced and with the stamina"

Jens! Voigt, Crit Intl Interview, 2009

by CycleGirl on Apr 23, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jens! not wanting to torture himself? Impossible!

at least he will be back for Romandie. And I compared Saxo to one of my favorite riders, so I’m not dissing them, just pointing out they are coming close but just can’t get the W

In Chauncey we trust!

by Phil H. on Apr 23, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

is that the aussie HH

"the rest was over 30. And that doesn't mean old and useless, but experienced and with the stamina"

Jens! Voigt, Crit Intl Interview, 2009

by CycleGirl on Apr 23, 2009 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes soon to be Aussie again HH

although he’s still doing the Bayern Rundfahrt.

In Chauncey we trust!

by Phil H. on Apr 23, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Popped into my head

1. Beer (really!) 2. Mur 3. History.

by tedvdw on Apr 22, 2009 6:59 PM EDT reply actions  

What about 2nds though?

Boogerd
Dammit it’s not a race from Flèche to Wallonne! (re: the dash …)
Pancakes (we had rolling pancake service one year I did the LBL cyclo)

by tedvdw on Apr 22, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Boogerd!
Damn, that climb is steep!
How did Bartoli win so many classics?

Thirds?
It’s confusing when a race used to have a flat finish, but doesn’t any more.
Why can’t I watch the women’s race?
Valverde is a wheelsucker.

by Jen See on Apr 22, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also.

Rolling pancake service sounds like a very good idea.

by Jen See on Apr 22, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa

instant millions. Hm…

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by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 22, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trivia question

Can anyone remember a winner attacking on La Redoute and staying away?

A cookie to anyone who can answer this. And no, I don’t know the answer, or if there is one, though if forced I would guess Merckx, natch.

by Jen See on Apr 22, 2009 7:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Is it one of those cookies that you have to delete from your cache (or whatever it’s called)? Cause if it is, I don’t want it.

"Never swing a small stick. " Andy Hampsten

by Hons on Apr 22, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

VDB

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on Apr 22, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oooh, right

I remember that now. Mille Grazie :-)

by Jen See on Apr 22, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

What? No.

Boogerd was still with him on the St Nicolas.

by tedvdw on Apr 23, 2009 5:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, really.

Finally found it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ2YRQyI8RU from 7:50 until the end and part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohGBGbIn9t8 from the start until 1:30. He waited between La Redoute and St Nicolas, a rather large group returned but broke up again on the St N. where VDB powered away from his last challenger Boogerd.

by tedvdw on Apr 24, 2009 6:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

hey man

what’s the story with vdb, he’s a wallon isn’t he, i.e. his family’s wallon, but he lived in Flanders? Is that right?

by plinytheelder on Apr 24, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well almost

Born in Mouscron (NL: Moeskroen), lived for most of his life in Ploegsteert. Both villages are in Wallonia but also just a stone’s throw away from Flanders (and from the French border!). He’s definitely more comfortable in French but his Dutch is rather fluent.

by tedvdw on Apr 24, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah

yeah seeing his name I just thought he was Flemish, but then saw that his parents both have French names, read he was a Walloon who grew up speaking lots of Dutch…then in those youtube clips you posted he is speaking perfect, unaccented French. It always seemed interesting to me that both the Flemish and the Walloons seem to – well – cheer for him as “one of their own,” you get both “God is terug” and the waals celebrating his LBL win. To me it really seems like a breath of fresh air with all the ethnic bickering you hear about coming out of Belgium. Anyways thanks much for the info.

by plinytheelder on Apr 24, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Versus TV Coverage

1. None
2. Four days after the race
3. Same day coverage

by Merry Crankster on Apr 22, 2009 7:45 PM EDT reply actions  

You forgot

2. Four days after the race but showing after 30 minute L-B-L highlight show.
Who shows La Fleche after L-B-L? That’s like having a starter after the main dish.

In Chauncey we trust!

by Phil H. on Apr 22, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

and 30 minutes?

each? That’s like packing the Vuelta a Espana into 2 hours or something.

Oh, wait…

by Le Comte on Apr 22, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait...

You got TWO hours of the Vuelta?

"...if you're not going to pull through, I'm going to attack you." ~CVV (ToBC Stg 4)

by nikki on Apr 22, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

including commercials…

by Le Comte on Apr 23, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's not really even 30 minutes

by the time they are done with ads and talking about GH and HWNMNBM, VS offers next to nothing on these races. Cyclocosm’s next How the Race Was Won videos put VS to shame by comparison.

Viva la Lactique

by nrs5000 on Apr 22, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's because

Cyclocosm shows more of the actual race than VS does.

by Le Comte on Apr 23, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

What comes to mind...?

1- LOTS of hills
2- THE hill
3- LONGER hills

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on Apr 22, 2009 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

What popped in my head

1. Frank. S
2. Andy. S
3. It’s Andys turn..

Maybe i’m having a Schleck moment….

"the rest was over 30. And that doesn't mean old and useless, but experienced and with the stamina"

Jens! Voigt, Crit Intl Interview, 2009

by CycleGirl on Apr 23, 2009 12:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Lets See...

Amstel: Boogie

Fleche: Huy…Huy…Huy…

Liege:1984 Sean Kelly…the cap to his spring dominance that year (Liege, Roubaix, 2nd San Remo, 2nd Ronde, Every stage of the Crit International and overall, and Paris-Nice)

by Vlaanderen90 on Apr 23, 2009 2:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Be honest

1. Beer

2. Beer

3. Beer

by pigilito on Apr 23, 2009 8:27 AM EDT reply actions  

You

must be Belgian, no?

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by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 23, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Close

Swiss and Dutch. But I sure like their beer.

by pigilito on Apr 23, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gesink will ride L-B-L

Good news for Rabobank. Without Gesink their best man came in 53rd in La Fleche…

by Lopex on Apr 23, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

How effectively?

Am guessing since a knee is involved, he must be thoroughly OK or they wouldn’t do anything stupid like send him out to win LBL.

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 23, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Er

Maybe the knee was an excuse to skip Flèche and rest for Liège?

Just a guess.

by Jen See on Apr 23, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

But surely Fleche would be the best bet for a Gesink-win out of the three races?

Moreover, it is my opinion that Alejandro Valverde is an asshole who should not be allowed to compete in bikeraces right now.

by Jens on Apr 24, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll be in Houffalize this weekend

doing some cycling myself but going to try and catch bits of LBL. any recommendations on the best places to watch?

by smaryka on Apr 23, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm no expert

But from the map it looks like you could park in Sprimont or Sougne-Remouchamps (near la Redoute) and see the race twice without having to drive much.

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 23, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

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