Beijing CERA tests - Rebellin, Schumacher Positive
by Monty. on Apr 28, 2009 3:51 PM EDT
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PrintTuttobiciweb are reporting that Davide Rebellin tested positive for CERA on a (very late) test. The Olympic bods are apparently reporting six new positives, including an Italian cyclist. No mention on how Tuttobici identified this as Rebellin, but they are pretty clear that it is him.
Apparently 948 tests were carried out using some new and very expensive test. Those tested were the "champions", presumably medallists. I guess that Tuttobici has more info because Tatiana Guderzo also won a medal in the Women's Road Race. Unless they just forgot her as a possibility.
Update: On Wednesday, the German Cycling Federation (BDR) confirmed that the second cyclist to test postive at the Beijing games was Stefan Schumacher.
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Well there goes the after glow from last week
Not that this is ever surprising anymore. Especially when a long-timer pops. I do hope that this turns out to be a false rumor. AS I do enjoy watching him do his thing in the one-day and week long races.
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Tuttobiciweb
The links go funny when posted raw but this is the place
http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/index.php?page=news&cod=21653&tp=n
Great...just great. For once I just want to be able to believe that an old man can
show everybody who is boss one last time. Damn it. Well atleast it isn’t anybody like Cancellara. Then I would have lost all hope.
According to USA Today
You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold
Oh, damn.
You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold
Evidently, six athletes from Olympics tested positive for CERA
All of the national Olympic committees have been informed, and they are waiting to inform the athletes before making things public.
Same thing, different transliteration.
You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold
Did you see the South Park
where Cartman couldn’t hear part of “Come Sail Away” without having to sing the whole song?
I’m like that whenever I hear Istanbul.
Not that this has anything to do with that fucking fucker Rebellin…
"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!
Right
What was Peiping? That was an actual name change (pre Peking/Beijing), no?
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by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 28, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. One of the elements of Peking/Beijing means "capital"
so when the capital was moved elsewhere (for a while), they changed the name—happened a couple of times. More at Wikipedia (aka Wikibeidia)
You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold
right
northern capital. As opposed to Nan- southern…
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by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 28, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
makes sense...
The term Peking originated with French missionaries four hundred years ago … It is still used in many languages.
from the Wikipedia link – I noticed last summer that French and Dutch/Flemish media reports still used Peking or similar (eg. Pékin in French).
The international stories on this Rebellin thing have all kinds of variations
Pechino, Pequim, Pekín—it’s cool to see the different versions.
You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold
And of course
The Basque version, Txaskeltia.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 28, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that right?
I have heard it called Bei-da (Beijing Datong or something).
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by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 29, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Peking vs. Beijing
There are two ways of transliterating Mandarin into English. The old-fashioned kind is Wade-Giles. I think this is still used in Taiwan. The more widely used these days is Pinyin. This is the system utilized by mainland China. In other words, Peking is not necessarily wrong, just a different system. For example, in China, I am not American, I am a Meigou ren.
Bei Da
And Beijing Da Xue (which literally means Beijing Big School or, more sensibly, Beijing University) or DaXue likes the fact that it is old, so they keep the Wade-Giles name on their official stationary.
Bei Jing means northern capital. And nobody says Peking Duck in Beijing, they say Beijing Tian Ya, which means Beijing Stuffed Duck, because they force-feed them (sort of like they do to make foie gras in France using geese) for the second half of their 50-day-long lives.
Mmmm, Beijing Tian Ya. Delicious.
Not a big surprise
He’s an old rider trying to hang with the young guys. What is surprising to me is that we’ve known about CERA since last year around the Tour. You would think that anyone in pro cycling would be having none of the stuff after the Ricco/Piepoli fiasco.
If I just had one more gear, I...
Maybe he should have been
…pointing to his cubital vein instead.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 28, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
It can be awkward in that situation to point to the needle tracks on your butt.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 28, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
especially in those white shorts he was wearing
(sorry, couldn’t resist ;)
by plinytheelder on Apr 28, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
He could have taken it before the Ricco story broke
Not sure how long CERA can be detected but legitimate patients only have to take it monthly. Rebellin probably shat his pants when he heard the Ricco news, kept racing and hoped for the best.
yeah if that holds
it makes Cancellara’s superhuman race all the more…superhuman?
by plinytheelder on Apr 28, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
You're assuming that those guys are clean too
The Italians are quick with the info but that doesn’t mean that everyone else is clean.
If I just had one more gear, I...
L'équipe
According to them, we’re not dealing with 6 cyclists here but 6 athletes – in fact the IOC indicates that they come from 4 different disciplines: track and field, rowing, cycling and swimming.
Everybody in the rowing world is very fixated on technique
But I think it’s a very easy numbers game. Moreover, because of the 5:30 min to 8:00 min effort, both strength and endurance doping works. Only thing not fitting is that there isn’t a lot of money in rowing.
Interesting
I don’t know much of anything about rowing, but that sounds very similar to swimming culture. Lots of talk about technique, but blood-boosting and ’roiding can do huge things to performance.
There is money in an Olympic medal, though, which would give incentive to gamble on the one big race.
yeah
promotional cash after winning medal
by plinytheelder on Apr 28, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Technique is key
But being 6’3" or taller as a man or 5’11" or taller as a woman is probably more key.
But you get to kiss the ugly princess if you win
Which is clearly the rationale for doping to the max.
Seven positives, six athletes
presumably that means one person tested twice, so must have won two medals to have given two different samples to test. That’s not going to go down well somewhere.
I really do hope it's not him
let’s see who drops out of Romandie tomorrow
See below--word is there is a 2nd cyclist, but not a medalist.
You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold
Well, who isn't riding Romandie that would normally be riding?
I can only think of one but he is already coming under fire about doping this past week.
If I just had one more gear, I...
Who are you talking about?
I’m clearly not paying enough attention to know.
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Duh - forgot about him
T-Mobile will haunt this sport for a good 5 more years I bet.
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Well, that rules out Phelps
Or it would be fourteen positives, six athletes.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 28, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Does the article say that there was a positive in each of those events
or that those events were where the retests were concentrated? My high school french is failing me.
This article says 3 track and field, including one gold medalist, two cyclists (including one medalist) and one weighlifter
I just saw that. Another cyclist, but not a medalist. Doesn't narrow it down much.
You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold
Except it would seem to let the other medalists off the hook, which is a relief.
You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold
Aparently not Italian either
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+ 1000
I’ll take 11/12 road medallists (would have preferred 12/12 though) and all other track. mtb. bmx being clean. An also ran also caught – whoever they may be they are an also ran when dirty. Please….
Feel v sorry for Schleck the Younger, he would have medaled at the Olympics but for this cheating B@"*^$%d! And become a national icon the same day. The breakaway he created would have stuck.
sorry to burst your bubble but....
there is plenty of “smoke” where the Schleck brothers are concerned……
I know that about Frank
but I haven’t heard anything about Andy. What went on with him?
Simoni
is not a “source”
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by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 29, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
dunno, myself
but there was a TdF stage last year – 16th, 17th? – where he was dancing around everyone else (while shepherding Sastre) on the last climb like he’d just been dropped off by a bus after everyone else had ridden 150k. It was, how do you say – superhuman? I will be entirely unsurprised if A. Schleck gets nabbed at some point. I don’t say that as an accusation or with malice. I think he’s a fantastic rider. Then again, a lot of dopers are fantastic riders.
(I’ve been mulling over, in my head, an essay titled “All Your Cycling Heroes Were Dopers.” It’s just the way it is.)
Extraterrestrial?
At least, Simoni didn’t say he descends like a sack of spuds.
Heh, I can’t say I’d be surprised either, but it’d be pretty cool if he were clean. Sometimes, I like to pretend ;-)
his body is kinda extraterrestrial, too
ditto Contador. Unless you believe they were biosculpted in a secret lab, I’m willing to withold judgement on their “extraterrestrial” performances.
Still one of my favorite quotes from that stage re. Andy
forgot who said it here, but “Andy is fucking sightseeing!”
He ought to look like that
considering that he was able to ride away from Basso in the training camps.
Extraterrestrial? Perhaps, but nothing less will do if we want TdF to be interesting as long as Contador rides.
Riding away from somebody at a training camp isn't that strange....
I mean look at that Hernandez from Astana…he was doing it this year riding away from Contador and co. but he isn’t special.
They are all extraterrastrial compared to us…the regular joe’s
by Vlaanderen90 on Apr 29, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Dunno
when betting money, I’d think they’d give what they have(even though Andy isn’t from Astana :P)
A 20 yo trying to impress the DS on the first camp of the year
after training like mad to adapt to higher levels of competition, beating a GT-contender timing his form for May/July doesn’t really say much about anything.
Lasse Böchman has been killing in the early Saxo camps too but I don’t really see him challenging for a GT anytime soon.
True, Popo is another good example(and perhaps Van Goolen ):)
But it was rather persistent chatter and I’d say it was far off.
Not that it’s a good thing in my book to have a young rider out-climb a proven to be doped top 3 stage rider.
Huh? Are we talking about the same thing?
My point was that young riders tend to do well in the teams pre-season tests whereas the olders seasoned riders aren’t at peak form at that time.
Ah good point
But it’s still a good feat considering Basso(now for obvious reasons) managed to be in top shape for most of the time.
Anyway, just saying Andy’s performance came as no surprise after having been tutored for ages by his team mates(to the press) about how good he was.
And being such a good climber he shouldn’t look troubled considering they were riding 2:30 slower than Carlos(back to where the…debate? began).
What happens to Frank Schleck...also happens to little bro Andy....
it’s the way it has always been.
"may" have ;-)
He wasn’t at the famous meet-and-greet with Riis, Basso, Frank and Fuentes. And no evidence has really surfaced about him, which I would have expected by now.
But it’s hard to imagine they weren’t sharing ;-)
It really bothers me when a newspaper claim to have the evidence
and then doesn’t bother providing it when there’s a court case.
Oh well, the irony is that the German Austrian rider the newspaper tried to help in the last iTT with this story was the one caught for doping so his German team lost its last hope for a sponsor and then the German Tour lost its sponsor too.
Weightlifter on CERA?
Would be wierd, that’s hardly an endurance sport
possibly a recovery use in training - may help muscles rebuild quicker?
Just guessing
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The only thing suprising
is that he didn’t get popped earlier.
So, this would be a month after the TdF cera cases
Not furbo
Oh my, I've just fallen in love with Roger De Vlaeminck's sideburns.
How long would CERA cause a positive test?
If you took it for the TDF, would you have to take it again before the Olympics, or would the earlier dose still be in the system a month later?
This is not my area
But, I seem to remember that the thing with CERA is that you don’t need to take new doses as often compared to EPO since the effect last longer. As for Rebellin, he didn’t compete in TdF last year so I would guess that he (if he’s the one who is positive) took it later. Plus, I think the detection if the substance has a shorter time frame than the effect.
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by TheFigurehead on Apr 28, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing that sucks most about this is...
this f—-ing topic, once again, takes center stage on our PdC feature story area. That sucks.
suck it, fixie h8rz
Indeed
It’s only in the rumour phase. Could go in a million directions from here.
"Non-cyclists. The emptiness of those lives shocks me." Tim Krabbé
so don't want to speculate...
but anyone want to take a stab at who the other one might be? or are we not doing that here? what other top ten riders have had mud on their shoes before?
piano, piano, piano....
What was the testing regime for the RR and TT?
Top 3 pls how many randoms?
Based on the various reports it was 1 Italian rider (Rebellin), so who else was tested? So that clears the other 4/5 Italian rider.
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According to this article
But in Beijing, the top 5 athletes will be tested in addition to 2 chosen at random in each final. As well, random tests will be conducted throughout earlier stages of competition.
—source CMAJ
You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold
So here is who this would include
TT
4 Jeannie Longo-Ciprelli (France)
5 Christine Thorburn (United States)
4 Alberto Contador (Spain)
5 Cadel Evans (Australia)
RR
4 Christiane Soeder (Austria)
5 Linda Villumsen Serup (Denmark)
4 Alexandr Kolobnev (Russian Federation)
5 Andy Schleck (Luxembourg)
Plus 4 others
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I'm not sure what track events are "endurance"
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Alexei Markov was 4th in 4000 not sure who was 5th
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Alison Shanks (New Zealand) was 4th in w 3000
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That ESPN report names a Greek walker
Athanasia Tsoumeleka. I don’t know if she’s one of the six.
sorry, 10k/5k track
as in track and field. The more O2 the better. Rumor is that they race bikes on a track somewhere but I couldn’t confirm that.
It just shows
that every dark cloud has a possible silver lining. Just seeing one of those names there has made me smile.
Which would that be?
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Trouble is, all we know is "cyclist."
Could be a trackie, not a road cyclist. Or hell, didn’t they have BMX at Beijing?
You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold
The article states focus was endurance events only
SO that knocks out the BMX, and many of the track riders
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Certainly not MTB though
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by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 28, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I had a look over at Steroid Nation...
…he’s saying “unnamed male track gold medal winner [singular]” is the other cyclist.
Now, seeing as Briton has clearly stated it’s none of their riders…
However, the Steroid Nation info seems very sketchy.
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That contradicts the earlier report
unless he got “track” (cycling) mixed up with “track and field.” The gold medalist is supposed to be from track and field, and there are supposed to be only two medalists among the six positive athletes. If Rebellin is indeed one of the positives (right now, he’s denying it), then the other cyclist did not medal.
You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold
I don't think my beloved marathoners
make enough money to afford cera. The day Ryan Hall tests positive… well, I’m not sure what I would do.
English language
For those who like English-language reports, one-stop shopping at ESPN. I actually went there looking for info on the other sports. One tidbit – the other medalist may be a male gold medalist in track and field.
CBC article also says male gold medallist track and field
This includes two medallists — one gold medal winner in men’s track and field and a medallist in cycling, an IOC official told The Associated Press.
Overall, the tests caught three track and field athletes, two cyclists and one weightlifter. …The Italian Olympic Committee said one of the positive samples belonged to one of its male athletes, who was left unidentified.
Hm...
what male track and field gold medal winner had startlingly good results during the Olympics? Also, one of the athletes who came up positive had 2 positive tests and, thus, may have won 2 medals? Any likely contenders?
I can think of one glaring candidate, though I would not have thought his events would have been measurably enhanced by CERA as they’re not exactly “endurance” events…
i remember talking about
olympic track and field last summer with a fellow pod caf member. we used worlds like “inhuman” and “other worldly” for the performances.
"Race radios in Cat 4?"
I find that very disturbing
I had thought she used steroids, but I googled it and sure enough…
I don’t like to think about the repercussions if it does turn out to be my glaring candidate. On the other hand, he had 3 medals, so I’m thinking it’s likely not him…
at least, that's my hope
though I confess I was rather suspicious of him at the time…
Likewise Dwain Chambers used EPO
Here is another VERY important doping story cycling fans should read
It’s a great rundown of the report on the comprehensive doping by T-Mobile. The doping was administered by their official team doctors who worked at the University of Freiburg Medical Center.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,621414,00.html
Even after Jan was kicked out of the 2006 Tour because of Operation Puerto the team kept doping. After the 1998 Tour the head of the sports medicine department and a T-Mobile doctor created a working group called Doping Free Sports at the same time the doctor was systematically doping the team. The even used funds from the Doping Free Sports account to by drugs. A very cautionary tale.
Track and Field...
Wouldn’t be so sure about counting out endurance runners, despite the so-ten-years-ago-in-cycling-years “no-one uses PED’s” comments on the running forums… training in remote African countries; racing only a few times a year…sounds like like a very good template for doping….Oh, and the top marathoners make a more than healthy enough amount of money to be able to afford their own “assistants”. At least all the news won’t be about cyclists this time (hmm, swimming…..)
I hear
about Bolt being the $10 mil guy, but I have yet to see evidence any of the US Olympic marathoners make any serious cash. Google ‘Brian Sell’.
US marathoners may not make any money
but it’s pretty profitable for the Kenyans. I remember reading a couple of stories earlier this year, oddly enough because Kohl’s manager was also doing a lot of agency/managerial work out there.
best I can tell
all the money is in appearance fees for the top handful in the world. And breaking records. Most compete in a spring marathon and a fall marathon. The east Africans… stories I read are of very minimalistic living and training conditions. They are hard-core about training in groups. Ryan Hall (US) jokes about living in a “double-wide”. Brian Sell (US) was part of the Home Depot 20 hr work-week Olympic thing.
The top handful make big money
but there are a fair number just below that level who make a lot more money appearing in various events around Kenya than they would working in the Kenyan equivalent of Home Depot. The Kenyan Athletics Board was trying to limit the number of events runners enter to stop them burning out too quickly.
I leave the Romandie prologue,
go and sing for a couple of hours, come home, make hot chocolate and look what’s been going on! Holy smoke.
I will not take a stand in this case...
… before I hear the reaction of Girbecco.
In that case...
… you can consider me as Swiss as Fuglsang until I get the echo from ’Ecco.
by Forstoppelse on Apr 28, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, but he should have been suspended
and I feel his results after the Olympics should be nullified, that cheating fuck!
In Chauncey we trust!
Are you guys jumping the gun a littlle, or aware of an article out of Lux about riders?
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Yes, I should say, if the story is true that is my reaction
hope it isn’t cause I actually like Rebellin.
In Chauncey we trust!
On a positive note, 2 out of around 140 riders
is an improvement over years past, seeing they can actually catch all the cheaters now, hopefully.
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Meh
two out of the seven they tested.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 28, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually 2 out of 28 on the road
Top 5 Men and women in each event (20) and 2 more per discipline (8)
Plus same in each of the track, MTB (I forgot about those guys), and BMX – so That would be:
12 BMX
12 MTB
35+ (?) tack riders (5 events X 5 plus 2 per event) I think I;m missing a few event here in track
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Of course there were repeat winners in several events so it is less then it could be
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pfft, you aren't going to ruin my good mood, nor is Rebellin, one reason why
Denver Nuggets-121, New Orleans Hornets-63….nuff said.
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yeah what happened at that game?
I hope m yCeltics do a similar number to the bulls tonight
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What happened?
I’ll tell you what happened, the Nuggets played like they can and New Orleans quit halfway through the 3rd. Love the play from the nugs but NO laid down like I have never seen a pro team before, they don’t deserve to win tomorrow(especially seeing I’m going to the game) and they deserved to be embarrassed.
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not American and not British apparently
Revised list based on this one
TT
4 Jeannie Longo-Ciprelli (France)
4 Alberto Contador (Spain)
5 Cadel Evans (Australia)
RR
4 Christiane Soeder (Austria)
5 Linda Villumsen Serup (Denmark)
4 Alexandr Kolobnev (Russian Federation)
5 Andy Schleck (Luxembourg)
Plus 4 others
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My first thought was France as the second
Based on the improbability of what she has done at her age.
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Used to hear that women peaked later
but this study suggests that decrease in V02max affects aging men and women pretty similarly, and is the strongest predictor of drop in endurance sport performance.
I wouldn't mind
Spain weighing in either.
Of course, cyclingnews pointed this is just the A sample – there’s always a chance the B sample was stored improperly and can’t be used for the test.
In the meantime, once notified the rider is spposed to be suspended right?
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Spain weighing in?
I fully expect Spain to weigh in with a denial, whether Bertie is on that list or not. To be followed by a new law declaring the Boy Wonder’s blood as sacred, only to be examined by a specially appointed group of Spanish Nuns.
Indeed
Don’t wait up for that one.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 28, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
they do say they haven’t been notified of any Spanish positives.
You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold
You can knock Jeannie Longo off that list
she lives up in the Alps just so she doesn’t have to breathe the polluted air in the towns, and is a total health freak. Not a whisper of suspicion.
Nice one.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 28, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
No Australian on the list...
…says Fahey. So that’s Cadel crossed off.
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by oldsprinter on Apr 28, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't take that as gospel yet.
When the first reports came out about a positive in the 2006 Tour USA Cycling said they hadn’t been contacted and sighs of relief were breathed. And we know how that turned out.
Agreed - still its an interesting exercise to try and narrow the field to a number of possible riders
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Schumacher participated in the Olympics, in both the RR and TT
He didn’t finish high in either, but they could have got him on a random test. It would be a relief if the 2nd cyclist were someone already busted.
You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold
He bonked in the RR didn't he?
The TT I don’t remember. But yes, that would be a relief.
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by TheFigurehead on Apr 28, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Given that he won both Tour ITTs
his losing to Cance by >3’ suggests maybe he bonked there, too
According to CN
Germany’s Stefan Schumacher, tipped as a pre-race favourite thanks to his two time trial wins in the Tour de France, found the Beijing weather conditions suffocating.
and was disappointed with his 13th-place finish.
You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold
Yes indeed.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Apr 28, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Wiki has the full list
here including women and lesser medallists. Or should that be lesser medallists and women. What’s the etiquette here?
The accused Olympic Cyclist could come from one of four disciplines: Road, Track, Mountain, or BMX.
At least a trying-to-be-optimistic road cycling fan might think that…
Mon coeur appartient à les forçats de la route.
Mtb certainly has had their share of dopers
See Jerome Chiotti, Chris Sheppard, Filip Meirhaeghe, etc.
Can i put money that my nickname for bolt will finally come true?
Lighting Bolt on steroids?
admit it when he was winning the all three ardennes, we all looked the other way.
god this sport is rotten to the core. can’t figure out why I still love it though.
lol, speak for yourself, my friend ;-)
This 2004 sweep, it came after the Sanremo Giro raids and Rebellin’s mix-up with a doping investigation in Italy. Nasty doctor guy Lazzaro was Rebe’s hook-up.
oh damn your recollection from 5 years ago ;-)
what really bugs me about this is he won all three with blond hair…
oh and BTW, he isn’t italian – he is Agrentinian. Duh! So the rumors are obviously not true. HA!
Nah, this sport isn't any more rotten than most other sports(like the NFL!!!!!!!!!)
it just actually tries to clean its mess up and gets scolded for it, nobody cares that every single one of those fat ass lineman is juiced.
In Chauncey we trust!
i agree it is no worse and may be better than most sports
but still seeing this headline pop up today made my gut sink a little more.
Yeah it sucks, but I feel better for knowing these cheats are being caught
instead of watching a sport I know is dirty to its core and ignores that fact, allowing a bunch of cheats to dominate.
In Chauncey we trust!
And all those kids on basketball scholarships
who miraculously grow another foot taller, years after everyone else stopped growing.
+1
I saw some Boston Red Sox footage from the early 70s and they all looked pretty normal bulk-wise. Fast-forward to 2009 and baseball looks like a Mr Universe contest, only with some fat guys mixed in.
I like the kid Usain Bolt. I really hope he’s clean.
Besides Olympic doping...
All the winners of Liege from 1997 to 2008 have been associated with doping. Although Bettini, Rebellin, and Valverde are in the “suspected” category, as are all winning cyclists except wheelsuckers extraordinaire, all the others have tested positive: Bartoli, Vandenbroucke, Camenzind, Hamilton, Vinokourov, and Di Luca. Now I suppose Baby Schleck will be tossed into the suspicious category beacuse of his crash-a-holic brother who might have been maybe thought he was buying crash proofing from that doctor.
Mon coeur appartient à les forçats de la route.
I'd be surprised if the second positive is from Astana or CSC
As Damsgaard said he had sent blood samples from all the riders to MICERA testing in France.
But then again, I’ve lost much of my faith in the dear doctor’s efficiency.
CONI has confirmed Rebellin as the Italian positive.
Google Translate thinks Rebellin has been suspended pending trial—hearing is May 4th—but I would love an Italian-speaker to confirm this.
You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold
Thanks!
You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold
Rashid Ramzi
NOS says the second medalist is Rashid Ramzi of Bahrain, who won gold in the1500 meters.
You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold
Confirmed, in English
Ahmad Ben Hamad Al El Khalifa, deputy general secretary of the Bahrain Olympic Committee, told German Press Agency on Wednesday that the committee has been informed about Ramzi’s positive test.
You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold
Wow
You’re really scouring the web for information aren’t you? It’s unbelievable that the NOS was first with a name. Considering their track record in bike races my first assumption would be that the name must be wrong. But it appears not to be..
"Non-cyclists. The emptiness of those lives shocks me." Tim Krabbé
Just trolling Google News nervously until the 2nd cyclist is revealed...
You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold
France joins list of Olympic committees who deny their athletes are involved.
So far, the ones saying they haven’t been informed of a positive include Great Britain, Australia, the US, Spain, and France. Did I miss any?
You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold
Rebellin is, of course...
You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold
Well he has gotten through raids and trials unharmed
and gotten away with this shit for years so why shouldn’t he expect the same now?
Rebellin's post-positive results
may indeed be deleted. Check out the long post by KD Teammate on the Saxo forums, which quotes all the relevant rules, including this:
“all following results after the day of sample collection of the positive test, shall be deleted, as long as the used doping substance still can be considered to have contributed with a positive effect”
You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold
I think they will find it hard to prove
that CERA use in August is still going to contribute positive effects in April……………………………..
Schumacher!
The German Cycling Federation has confirmed that Schumacher is the second cyclist to test positive at the Olympics.
Whew. Feel like we dodged a bullet with this one.
You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold
Only by insiders like us
The general public only notices: two cyclists positive. Thank Ramzi for detracting the attention a little by being outed 2nd and having won a gold medal. But for now, the ‘Beijing doping story’ is mostly about cycling. Again.
Blazing saddles!
What we need is a secret handshake.
Oh my, I've just fallen in love with Roger De Vlaeminck's sideburns.
by TheFigurehead on Apr 29, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
That month-long detection window
So inconvenient.
Now, do the authorities count this positive as a second offense? If so, say b’bye to Schumacher.
Gerolsteiner
The dope-squad of 2008. So how suspicious should we be about other former riders of this (quickly-becoming) infamous team?
"Non-cyclists. The emptiness of those lives shocks me." Tim Krabbé
I don't know...
Dopers do seem to stick together—it’s not a coincidence that Ricco and Piepoli were a team-within-a-team on Saunier Duval who roomed together and didn’t even eat breakfast with the rest of their team. Likewise, Kohl and Schumacher were roommates at the Tour, and it’s hard to believe they were ignorant of each other’s doping.
Rebellin was doping at least as far back as 2001 (if you believe the video evidence) before he joined Gerolsteiner, so you can’t necessarily blame the team for his transgressions. In the absence of other evidence, I’m willing to believe that the entire team was not involved.
You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold
lol
why don’t you quit holding back and tell us what you really think? ;)
by plinytheelder on Apr 29, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
can schumi be a piece of shit twice for the same infraction?
I mean, even though he denies, he was caught before for what is presumably the same cycle of juice. so he can’t really be a bigger dick than he already is, can he? Stupid maybe, if he continued after Ricco got nailed.
Lesson learning
It seems stupid, from the fans’ point of view at least, to dope after someone else has been caught for the same infraction. A positive means that they can detect whatever the new substance may be, therefore they can catch you using it also. But what if you were aware of 19 other guys using that same substance, and none of them got caught? The 1 out of 20 is very different from the 1 out of 1 ratio when it comes to determining the risks of continuing. I’m not saying that any of them were aware of more doping going on, I’m just not going to assume that they are clueless as to who else is doing what. We judge their actions based on very limited insight into what is actually going on, which might not necessarily be the best basis.
Good point
Also, there’s always the possibility that the test won’t catch everyone. In this case, the detection window is pretty wide, CERA sticks around for about a month. So, even if Schumi stopped using after the Tour, he’d probably still come up positive by the time of Beijing.
Throw in the towel?
I’m sure Lefevere is beating at his door to get him to sign that QuickStep contract.
Maybe he can spend the suspension growing some hair.
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All 6 identified now.
Rebellin,Ramzi, Schumacher, plus Dominican women’s weightlifter Yudelquis Contreras, Greek race walker Athanasia Tsoumeleka, and Croatian 800-meter runner Vanja Perisic.
(I don’t know if this has been posted elsewhere already, but even if it has I think it belongs here to tie up the loose threads.)
You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold
LOL
Great minds don’t just think alike—they have similar timing.
You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold
I especially like the fact
that we both tried to bury it down here.
Just for completeness, the other names are out now
From Track and Field:
Rashid Ramzi from Bahrain, 1500m Gold winner
Vanja Persic from Croatia, 800m
Athania Tsoumeleka, Greek walker
and the weightlifter:
Yudelquis Contreras from Domenica (that’s a woman)
And if anyone still doubted Rebellin's actions
Capodacqua (in his day job, over at Repubblica) has managed to get hold of a couple of the films made by the Italian police as part of their inquiry into Enrico Lazzaro. Start here and follow the links as Rebellin and his wife discuss drugs and receive mystery packages. This didn’t, sadly, lead to criminal charges.
Monty, you who follow Italian news, can you explain to me?
There has been talk of these films and Rebellin for as long as I can remember. I think they were in admissable as evidence when they tried to go after Rebellin and his wife. How is it that they have never been made public before (or at least i’m not aware of it)?
Privacy concerns, surely
Why would any police recordings, made as part of an inquiry but not used in proceedings, be made public?
Which, if true, raises the question why they are being made public now ...
Could be illegal what Capodacqua has done?
I don't think that there's any requirement for the police to keep this stuff hidden
they just tend to do so in order to not prejudice a trial. Some of the other stuff they shot when following Lazzaro was shown on RAI years ago.
Which actually says that it has been aired on italian TV........
Which means this has been beyond a mere rumour and still they have let that sorry sack of shit ride around stealing races for years. Nice.
I don't even begin to understand Italian law
“Law number 1: Berlusconi is innocent”, is about as far as I go. All the article says is that they were declared inadmissable for “vizio di forma” for which you can read “legal reasons.” Nevertheless I’m surprised that CONI didn’t step in. Maybe they never got to see the film. Perhaps someone didn’t put the right official stamp in the right box on the right form. Or was wearing the wrong hat when he did it. Lazzaro’s trial itself finally (I think) reached the end of the appeals chain this February when he was given a suspended sentence of fourteen months. His latest trial, anyway. I’m sure we’ll be hearing more from him.
CONI
I think all this stuff went down before the laws were in place allowing for the sharing of evidence between the criminal justice system and CONI. As I understand it, these cases – Lazzaro and the 2001 Giro raids – were part of the motivation for the change. The law did not allow for CONI to use the evidence from the criminal investigations for sporting investigations, again, as I understand it.
The criminal case against Rebellin in 2004 was moved to Pistoia, from its original location in Padova. The only reason I found for that was “jurisdiction,” but I’m guessing some legal skullduggery or pay-offs from the Rebelin legal team were involved. Impossible to say, though – Capodacqua’s coverage from the time doesn’t explain the change of venue. Anyway, once the case against Rebe moved to Pistoia, it was archived.
And yes, Lazzaro finally exhausted his appeals in February and received a suspended sentence.
Lazzaro’s studio, Rebellin’s house, and his in-law’s house were all raided yesterday. A preliminary criminal investigation is already open against him.
Even Capo gets it wrong from time to time
In his old archived editorials he says (in September 2000) "… un atleta, Davide Rebellin che nel plotone è riconosciuto come uno fra i più “puliti”." "Rebellin, who is recognised in the peloton as among the “cleaner” "
Or that the rest of the peloton is even dirtier than Rebellin.
You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold
Just read on cyclignews that Jose Redondo was suspended for a doping infraction
anyone heard about this before? Apparently came from an out of competition test on March 19th
-link
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