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Where are you from? Part 2

The first thready is getting mighty full! Feel free to drop in and continue the chatter here.

Chris here... I closed comments on the first thread but you can still read it here. And carry over any conversation from there in this post. ;0

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Bwaa bwaa bwaaack ! (chicken noices)

Gavia is afraid of the universe imploding.

by Jens on Apr 3, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

Totally.

Nah, I’m just impatient. I hate waiting for threads that long to load ;-)

by Jen See on Apr 3, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

She is?

I thought she was the one that wrote/performed this, no?

by Sui Juris on Apr 3, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol!

Just borrowed from your flickr, by the way. Copyright duly noted ;-)

by Jen See on Apr 3, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK, I'll start this one

Born and raised in New York City, aand I currently live about an hour north of the city. But in the many years in between, I lived in Indiana, Dallas, Palo Alto and Pasadena, CA.

I just got back from vacation last week, and it took me all of this week to read the other “where are you from” thread. And all those 18 year olds made me feel positively ancient.

by Katiek on Apr 3, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

ancient? nah.

Hottitude will keep us all young!

by Jen See on Apr 3, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rose Bowl and Montrose rides?

I lived in Pasadena for a while, do these rides ring a bell?

by muk on Apr 3, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heard of them both

And I don’t even live there, at least not anymore… I’m originally from the area, and my family all live around there still, but I’ve never ridden either of those rides. Both are pretty fast paced, right? Does the Montrose ride head back west down Foothill through Duarte, Monrovia, Arcadia, etc?

More Muur...

by Jimbo... on Apr 3, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Montrose is never slow, it's degrees of fast.

 I can remember well Arrow Highway, constant 30-35 mph. Great way to learn why you don’t ever let a gap open up, no matter how small.

Heads West and then loops back on itself to finish in Sierra Madre, where the local Starbucks gets inundated every Saturday morning with a heaving, sweaty mass of espresso seeking, lycra clad, crazies.

If you are in okay shape, and aren’t afraid of riding in close proximity to others, then it is a great way to experience riding in a large group at pace. Nothing quite like freewheeling at 30mph.

by muk on Apr 3, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm from Holland

Where the -

(Those of you that can’t finish that sentence should read the first thread first)

by Lopex on Apr 3, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not German, I'm an idiot!

Ok… no chestnut commentary this time. I’m Dan (or El Danerino if you’re not into the whole brevity thing). Currently in Los Angeles but originally from San Francisco with interim stops in Napa, Germany, Las Vegas, Argentina, Silicon Valley and the OC. Los Angeles is the new Rome, everyone seems to have to pass through here to go anywhere else, so if you’re heading on out here, always feel free to drop me a line and let’s have a beer. Many cafe members have done so already; with the exception of Sui Juris who didn’t “pass through” but decided to stay.

Seriously Mark… I want my couch back.

Unlike Jimbo, I do not wear crocs.
Unlike Drew, I do not like Pina Coladas and getting caught in the rain.
Unlike Donny, I am not out of my element.

Dude... why WOULDN'T Thor ride the chicken?

by crashdan on Apr 3, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Sure,

mention this now, when I just got back from a week’s vacation in Los Angeles.

by Katiek on Apr 3, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well... for purposes of full disclosure...

… I have had vicious and viscous flu all week so I wouldn’t have been much company. Lyne will attest; I looked like death at Redland’s last weekend.

Dude... why WOULDN'T Thor ride the chicken?

by crashdan on Apr 3, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly...

… if I’m not around for the Swedish National Women’s Road Racing Champ, I’m not around for ANYONE.

Dude... why WOULDN'T Thor ride the chicken?

by crashdan on Apr 3, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait

who the )(*#$ vacations in LA?

Really? Please tell me that you have relatives there or got a free week at the Shutters.

by Sui Juris on Apr 3, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Universal Studios, Disneyland and Magic Mountain...

… at one time, they were cool to you too baby.

Dude... why WOULDN'T Thor ride the chicken?

by crashdan on Apr 3, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Although... if someone comes out to visit...

I wouldn’t recommend Universal Studios, Disneyland and Magic Mountain… I’d recommend Animal, Umami Burger and Bar Lubitsch.

Dude... why WOULDN'T Thor ride the chicken?

by crashdan on Apr 3, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

And don't forget

the Huntington Gardens, the Arboretum, Norton Simon, and LACMA.

Although last week LA also had the World Figure Skating Championships.

by Katiek on Apr 3, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

La Brea Tar Pits

Santa Anita
Griffith Park
Santa Monica Pier
The stinking funk pool on the way to the beach at Malibu (some fancy shit there)

by JFS_PGH on Apr 3, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Malibu

They recently did some restoration on the ‘bu “wetlands” It’s not as bad these days.

by Jen See on Apr 3, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean, I can no longer get nostalgic at the mixed odor

of ordure, dune vegetation, and Sea and Ski (from back when the cap was orange)?

by JFS_PGH on Apr 3, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol, 'fraid not

It’s kinda picturesque these days, actually. With scattered wildlife ;-)

by Jen See on Apr 4, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

No way, dude

Plus, I’m doing you a favor. Totally didn’t match the rest of the room. Not like that rug of yours.

by Sui Juris on Apr 3, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dan...you remain my hero!

…and survivor of the infamous Zabriskie shower.

by steph- on Apr 3, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like riding in the rain - is that the same thing?

Also, Mark is bringing your couch to Philly for Nationals for us to sit on – after which we will burn it.

That couch really tied the room together, I’ve heard.

"I didn't look for him and I didn't see him. If you base your race on another rider, most of the time you lose."

Tom Boonen

by Drew Davis on Apr 11, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

hmmm

old

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Apr 3, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Flatbagger ran a 2:36 marathon?

That is just ridiculously fast. Respect… How’s the implant working out, besides your new found ability to converse with your kitchen appliances?

More Muur...

by Jimbo... on Apr 3, 2009 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I should've run faster...

…but the German architecture was so fascinating, all those statues and things, and the venture into ‘No Mans Land’ through the Brandenburg Gates slowed me down. The Implant is very difficult, my right ear is still too dominant and the implant is hearing totally different things that i can’t work out what the f@#$ they are (apart from the Microwave and it won’t listen to me). I’m listening to books…has anyone ever done that? It’s like riding on an indoor trainer when the sun’s shining. Patience man! Small steps.

errrr....am i supposed to sign this??

by Flatbagger on Apr 3, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

What of Mr. Percival?

Does he communicate? Or are you stuck listening exclusively to inanimate objects?

Dude... why WOULDN'T Thor ride the chicken?

by crashdan on Apr 3, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's got to be exhausting

but with your descriptive skills, i’m still curious how you would classify the range of sounds (or sound-sensations). Do all microwaves do this? Do other appliances also do it? Nah, I don’t have a bona fide need to know, just an active curiosity.

by JFS_PGH on Apr 3, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm where do i start?

As it’s mainly high pitched sounds I haven’t heard for many years when i stick the thing to my head and switch on there is just this caucouphony of high pitched squeals, pings and whistles…then eventually my brain works out that the squeals are birds, the pings are dripping taps and the Microwave reminding me to take out last night’s dinner and the whistles are me breathing with nostrils half blocked up with boogies. I am also hypersensitive to the hums of general appliances such as fridges and the hot water system. When i talk I get an annoying cyber echo and everyone else sounds like a Dalek…but at least i can hear the wah wahs at the beginning of Isaac Hayes ‘Shaft’ once again!! Oh!…and a SRAM Pawl is a lot louder than a Shimano Pawl.

errrr....am i supposed to sign this??

by Flatbagger on Apr 3, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

extra points for a post

mentioning both Daleks and Shaft. As for squealing birds, yeah, OZ birdies make more sorts of strange noises than the entire fauna of some other continents. Can’t blame the implant. At least you can turn it off!

by JFS_PGH on Apr 8, 2009 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Still feeling bad

About missing the Solvang meetup.
Was working a pit for Mavic on the descent and had to boogie afterward. If the meetup had been at Firestone Brewery, I could have met many of you fine PdC lurkers and posters.
I started racing in ‘72, went to Europe, bombed, bought a bike shop after college and have been spinning wrenches since then.
Have done the Tour three times, Roubaix and Vuelta Pais Vasco, and nearly every US pro race for a few decades. Seen Lance when he was humble and Levi when he had hair. Favorites include Tim Johnson because he’s so nice, Floyd because he is innocent and Horner for his tactical wisdom. Seen so many races they blend together but I still just love it.
You are a wonderfully funny group, and I especially appreciate the international-ness of the cycling fandom!

by MavicMoto on Apr 3, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

No way

Levi when he had hair

He wasn’t born short and bald?!

by Sui Juris on Apr 3, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Levi had hair? That's just crazy-talk

It would be great if you could find time to write a little something about some of your experiences. I would love to get some behind the scenes from Roubaix for instance.

by Jens on Apr 3, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

In 2004

We were doing testing on the tubeless wheels, Saeco and a French team had about ten riders on them. We put 25cc of latex solution in every wheel, took forever. And in the race, still about six flats. Way less than usual but we hoped for none.
I changed alot of wheels that year, even though it was dry. But half my changes happened to be US postal riders! Devolder, Landis were all on a good day, just bad wheels. Some know-nothing decided to do a special build up for the Roubaix, but the team"s wheels were un-raveling. After running up to find the tires still full, getting a terse “change it anyway”, did I figure out their problem.
Maggy won that year. Phil and Paul partied hard that evening!

by MavicMoto on Apr 3, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

You picked a vintage year, some might even argue the best.

(I say this as a totally unbiased fan)

Roubaix has to be the ultimate challenge for a serviceman.

by Jens on Apr 3, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you mean by the wheels "unraveling"?

Was the darbon comng apart or something?

Just spinning the pedals in the hills of Western Maryland

by natbla on Apr 16, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I take so many photos of the Mavic support vehicles it's embarassing...

… something about their bright yellow in-your-face neutrality pleases me.

Dude... why WOULDN'T Thor ride the chicken?

by crashdan on Apr 3, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a soft-spot for Mavic, too.

At the Air Force Cycling classic last year (during the “regular people ride”) one of the Mavic guys (complete with yellow car and spare tires) helped me when I dropped a chain. I giggled the whole time and exclaimed, “Awesome! I’m getting help from neutral support!!! I never thought I’d ever get that!” As a bonus, he was also quite handsome. But, he probably thought I was insane so I probably didn’t stand a chance with him.

by Megabeth on Apr 3, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not me

Two years ago, I needed a wheel change due to a crash in the lead group of the Etape du Tour…sure they stopped, but when I asked for a 9 speed cassette the moto guys laughed and took of….they didn’t expect a barrage of French expletives from an American though….they didn’t come back!

by bradBordeaux on Apr 4, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those aren't the regular guys

The main mechanics won’t do the randonnees.
And the French SSC (speciale service courses) is the weak sister.
This year AG2R was taking pictures of Mavic neutral support @ AToC because they had never seen them do any work in Europe !
Sorry about the shoddy treatment, guess they had only ten cog cassettes on the moto. Get their name next time.
Of course , I must say I’m impressed that you even saw the front of L’Etape ! Must be fast.
Did it three times ‘05-’07, and never started closer than the 4000 group. By the time I got to the base of L’Alpe, the last three food stations had no water left! Oh and it was never much below 40C all day.

by MavicMoto on Apr 4, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm............

Ahhh, I didn’t know there were two divisions of the Yellow Brigade…….interesting.

by bradBordeaux on Apr 4, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Terra della Quercia

samboo = Sam

Live in Oakland, CA. California “native” (i.e., moved here 20 years ago). You may recognize me as the slow one you’ve passed many times going up Tunnel, Wildcat Canyon, Claremont, Pinehurst, South Park, Centennial, 3 Bears, etc.

Good to see lots of Oaklanders in the last thread. I’ll try to get to the Trappist…

by samboo on Apr 3, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Hi, I'm Ruthann and I live in Wisconsin with my Hubby on the weekends

and commute to Minneapolis/St. Paul every Monday morning for my work. (I think we have a LOT of MN people here at the Cafe, don’t we? Even more than DC or SF, even… ) I’ve been commuting for 13 years, and love it.

I was born in Milwaukee almost 50 years ago (that sounds awful to my ears, I must say,) and was raised in Illinois and Maryland. I went to Vanderbilt University and then moved back Up North after graduating.

I was a fan of cycling starting with the LeMond years, but didn’t become an obsessed fan until the Lance years. I found this site in 2005, if I remember correctly, when it was the “Digital Peloton.” You are not going to believe this, but for several years there were only a few female posters here. It’s true! There was me, bethie, Sarah/CallmeCayce, and Tifosa and that’s about it. (Funny to think about that, huh Chris?)

I appreicate you all so much; it’s so wonderful to have someone to talk about pro bike racing. Even though I can’t keep up with the Lebowski chat. :-) I enjoy the live race threads very much, as you probably can tell. ;-) Cheers, fellow Cafe members, you are awesome!

by Ruthann on Apr 3, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I knew I was forgetting something when I graduated...

It was that whole “move back Up North” thing. Damn it. LOL!

"The most wasted day is that in which we have not laughed."

by nikki on Apr 3, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

On Wisconsin / On Wisconsin / On to Victory!

Sorry, could not resist. Sad that I, native Minnesotan that I am, don’t know Minnesota’s song. I won’t make any silly/stupid comments associted with Green Bay so is it “duck duck gray duck” or “duck duck goose?”

Mon coeur appartient à les forçats de la route.

by Josenka on Apr 4, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

ski u mah of course!

oh did you miss Minnesota’s sweep of Wisco in basketball this year? ;)

by plinytheelder on Apr 4, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey gotta thank the T-wolves for beating Utah

now they can go ahead and play like crap tomorrow so we can get closer to that 2 seed, we really need a first round win you know.

"It’s disappointing. Second place is the first loser."
~Heinrich Haussler (GERMANY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Cervélo TestTeam

by Phil H. on Apr 4, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

the enver nuggets?

better with Billups…but I don’t know, I just don’t like that team…can’t get to liking Anthony somehow. Maybe I’m wrong.

by plinytheelder on Apr 4, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

We really are much better this year

with home I’m sure we can get at least by the first round for once, without it, well it would be one and out. Melo is getting his shit together more this year and the trade for Chauncey was the best trade in years, he’s a true Denverite(went to high school here, played at CU) and is the MVP if it really if for the most valuable. But it all doesn’t matter if we can’t win in the playoffs…..again.

"It’s disappointing. Second place is the first loser."
~Heinrich Haussler (GERMANY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Cervélo TestTeam

by Phil H. on Apr 4, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

liteberer=Carlos from Southern California...

Born and bred LA boy. Late to the cycling game but still believe anything is possible and that makes me YOUNG….
I Believe Floyd is Innocent
I Believe George will win Roubaix
I Believe suffering makes you great

And I have learned a new definition of toughness other than that which was inculcated in me in the land of the NFL….

by liteberer on Apr 3, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I had a buddy from highschool that graduated from St. Mary's with a philosophy degree...

… last I saw he was working in a movie theater. We always wondered what one did with a philosophy degree besides… become a philosophy professor. Do you have a better answer? :)

Dude... why WOULDN'T Thor ride the chicken?

by crashdan on Apr 3, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you do with a philosophy degree? I sell payroll. Companies don't have a lot of need for an inhouse philosopher.

At the end of the day, most philosophy is just mental masturbation: A lot of fun but it really doesn’t get you anywhere…

by liteberer on Apr 3, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had a REALLY great philosopher bus driver in Seattle (route 44).

Seriously, I think he probably taught more people bits of philosophy than many profs, and they rarely even noticed. Good driver, too, for what it’s worth.

by JFS_PGH on Apr 3, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh god here to?

Every aspect of my life seems afflicted with SC grads…

Dude... why WOULDN'T Thor ride the chicken?

by crashdan on Apr 3, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

....and we like that!!

thanks for the So Cal spellout….that never gets old (smile)

by steph- on Apr 4, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm 4estru (Laurie) from Raleigh, NC

I was laid-off in 2005, so I had plenty of free-time to watch ALL of the Versus TdF coverage. It started with, “What is this?” “I’ll just watch an hour or so…”
An obsession was born.

Now I have a job where I can’t watch the TdF or follow live text tickers. Life has taken a cruel turn, but I have Podium Cafe when I get home. Thanks folks!

by 4estru on Apr 3, 2009 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

VS might have been OLN in 2005

So hard to remember that kind of thing…

by 4estru on Apr 3, 2009 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

OLN....

….had a great forum back then (sigh)…but then they also televised all of the GT’s (super sigh)

by steph- on Apr 3, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

let's try it again

Yep my name is Lyne, actually my full name is Marie Thérèse Lyne…. born and raised in the Montreal’s burbs (off the island for those in the know). Went to school in French until college when I went to McGill (scholarship available for frenchies). After graduation, stayed a few years there, then moved to Paris for 3 years – and yes I am still thoroughly ashamed of complaining about the traffic jams caused by le Tour. Came to San Francisco after taking a year+ sabbatical to travel around the world, and have been here for many many years now.

Migrated from being a fan to the media side of cycling about 3 years ago (I think) when I got the chance to actually ask the questions directly. And had a blast doing it and still at it.

I love to travel, and take long walks on the beach at sunset…. oops that’s for another site

by lyne on Apr 3, 2009 7:09 PM EDT reply actions  

swimmers

picking this up from the other thread…

yes, the scenery tends to be more varied and interesting from a bike. i do miss that feeling of being totally in the zone in the water, though, when the glide kicks in and seems to happen on its own, when you’re swimming almost in front of the water in perfect rhythm… maybe you’ll have guessed that i was a distance freestyler…

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Apr 3, 2009 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

it's all about the breathing...

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Apr 4, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hence the snorkel...

I value breathing… I just wish I could swim in a pool without apparatus.

Dude... why WOULDN'T Thor ride the chicken?

by crashdan on Apr 4, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

next time i'm in LA

i’ll show you how to do it without the snorkel :)

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Apr 4, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes!

You’ve described it perfectly. I love the rhythm of the swim, the breathing and nothing but the thoughts in my head. I can’t understand how folks swim with their ipods in. I get into a zone and listen to the bubbles and the swoosh of the water. I need to start swimming again but in the winter the pool here is unbearably c-c-cold.

by Megabeth on Apr 3, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

you've nailed it

i love that focus and there’s a calm that comes with it, even when you’re working hard…

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Apr 4, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

I can’t swim w/ an ipod either – too disruptive. If a song pops into my head, it’s because it fits my mood, not forced from a playlist.

I trained distance in high school, because that was what my coach knew. Flipped to my back in college, and then discovered open water swimming when I moved to CA. Talk about getting into a trance – you just need to look up every once in awhile to make sure you’re still on target.

And on the hottitude front, it was a cruel, cruel lesson when I graduated and realized that all the guys didn’t have fantastic V-shaped torsos.

by WaterGirl on Apr 4, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately

Not much open water opportunity in DC. They “open” the Potomac once a year for the Nations Tri, but other than that, not many close places to go that are open all the time. So, instead, I go to a local high school. Most folks are polite but there is always that one guy that has to be a douche and yell at folks for getting in his way when he’s actually the obnoxious splasher and lane hogger…

V-shaped torso. +1 million

by Megabeth on Apr 4, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, I have that!

What? …….Upside down? ……..Doh!

by Jens on Apr 4, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good for cycling

Not for attracting the wimmins on da beach.

by tedvdw on Apr 4, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but if someone kicks sand in your face

you just gamble a stamp and send away for that free booklet

by plinytheelder on Apr 4, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

right with ya on being in the swimming zone....plus

I love the smell of a chorinated pool. it’s like coming home.

Oohhh….and to add on the former thread….Albertina…men’s water polo…definite hottitude!!

by steph- on Apr 4, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes!

totally get it about the smell of chlorine!

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Apr 4, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

eew

Can’t say I love the chlorine part at all.

by Jen See on Apr 4, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

I don’t really notice the sand anymore. It’s pretty much everywhere.

by Jen See on Apr 4, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fresh water is where it's at.

Clear lakes, cold rivers. Chlorine sucks, and I hate pools that are so warm you can feel yourself sweat. The ocean tastes terrible and smells like fish. Fresh, clean water on a hot day…nothing like it.

Team Red Shorts--Let us show you what we've got

by majope on Apr 4, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's all depends on what you are used to.

I’ve lived a block away from the beach most of my life. One of the smells I miss when I’m away from home is of that salty, sandy beach smell. :-)

by Veloki on Apr 4, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

I didn’t swim in the ocean until I was fifteen or so—too late to take to it properly. Plus, I’d already seen Jaws. Ain’t nothing going to eat you in the rivers of Upstate New York.

Team Red Shorts--Let us show you what we've got

by majope on Apr 4, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are so

WRONG.

Wrong wrong wrong.

Swim in the ocean, with sharks and barracuda and sharp coral? Easy easy. Why? Because you can see it coming. Upstate New York, or any freshwater lake? You can’t see anything? Including the merman that is just pretending to be a water weed that brushed your toes.

Freaking lakes freak me right the fuck out.

by Sui Juris on Apr 4, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

all of the hours in practice or at swim meets...

…and later at water polo games….oh yes…chlorine smell….very, very nice (smile)

by steph- on Apr 5, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

yup, its a trigger

for a weird combination of excitement, anticipation, and anxiety, and its something so familiar after all those hours and years that it brings a strange sense of comfort…

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Apr 5, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

like how my skn smells, but not the itch.

Bromination = all the itch, none of the memories. Feh. Real, living water is also good. Mentally oddest thing? Swimming or diviing in “blue water”—out of a boat knowing bottom is more than a thousand feet below, feeling like anything could be there. But safer than cutting your toe on old pop-top tags in lake muck.

by JFS_PGH on Apr 5, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think my skin

was totally adapted to it – people would comment on how smooth and healthy it was. but i developed celiac disease and one theory of how the autoimmune response gets triggered in those of us who are genetically susceptible is through exposure to bromides and chlorides.

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Apr 5, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have that same reaction

…even though I’m totally burned out from swimming.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 6, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

You've been hanging out at the wrong lakes.

Some of the spring-fed mountain lakes are crystal-clear, and I wouldn’t swim in a river that wasn’t. Also, as long as you sacrifice a flatlander every now and again follow the old ways, the mermen leave you the hell alone.

Team Red Shorts--Let us show you what we've got

by majope on Apr 5, 2009 6:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've swum off icepack in crystal clear mountain lakes...

for about 3 minutes each time. The only muscle that got a workout was my heart, and not for the right reasons.

by JFS_PGH on Apr 5, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL, I've never seen Jaws

Figured it was a bad idea. I used to do open water races and a ton of ocean swimming. Funny, lakes do sorta creep me out – but I’ve never really been in a nice, clear, fresh water thing.

I like the ocean better than pools. So much energy. And I like all the birds and fishes and dolphins around. Always something to look at.

Pool swimming, very zen.

by Jen See on Apr 6, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

pool swimming is, indeed, most zen

that is partly what i was trying to convey further up. i used to swim lots in the ocean and even some in lakes but now it kinda creeps me out, with all the flotsam and jetsam and mysterious beasties down below. the Aegean off Mykonos, however, is perfection – clear, clear water and a coral sand base (at least that’s what it looks like) and no nasty surprises. the Caribbean isn’t bad, either, until you catch site of the sharks and eels…!

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by nicknorco on Apr 6, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh,

the Aegean. Beautiful.

When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.

by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 6, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

The ocean around San Blas Islands.

ahhh the blue!

Racing for Victory and Free Beer!

by DemonCats on Apr 16, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only thing I miss about swimming

…is the butterfly. It’s a hell of a stroke to swim, but once you get it down it is one of the most beautiful things ever.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 6, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

the fly is indeed a beautiful stroke!

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Apr 6, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had a girlfirend once who was rescued from the pool...

when she asked what the hell they were doing, they said ‘rescuing you, we thought you were drowning’ Reply ‘I wasn’t drowning I was practicing my butterfly’

Moral to the story….only do the fly if you can, otherwise you look like a twat

by bradBordeaux on Apr 8, 2009 5:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I could never do the fly. My swim coach knew I hated doing it. He still put me in that stroke during a meet. I dove into the pool and DQ’d myself immediately by just standing on the bottom of the pool. He never made that mistake again. Back and free are my strong strokes and by golly I’m not doing fly.

by Megabeth on Apr 8, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha!

nice move! i should have tried that when my coach made me race backstroke.

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by nicknorco on Apr 8, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting

Because generally speaking, people who are good at free and back are also good at fly.

I actually started out as a breastroker, but once I got my butterfly down, that was it for me.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 9, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

actually

i’d pair free and back (which is one reason my dislike for backstroke doesn’t make sense and frustrated coaches) and see fly as a derivative of breast. in fact, it did historically develop from the breaststroke. the body movements in free and back are similar, as they are for breast and fly. so your development from breast to fly doesn’t surprise me – fly is like the breaststroke liberated. we used to drill breast pull with a dolphin kick to improve glide and body movement in breast. i think most of the swimmers i coached who were good at fly were generally good all-rounders/IMers or sometimes frustrated breaststrokers who couldn’t quite nail the kick or the recovery (which can be awkward and require you to snap the movement from odd positions) or had longer limbs. wiki has a decent write-up on fly.

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by nicknorco on Apr 9, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that there are more comparisons between free/back and fly

than fly and breast. The main similarity between fly and breastroke is that the arms pull simultaneously, as do the legs. However, the frog kick is nothing like the dolphin kick. On the other hand, the above-water recovery of freestyle is merely half of the butterfly recovery – it’s essentially the same motion (sure, arm angles are slightly different, but not a whole lot) repeated simultaneously instead of consecutively. Ditto for the kick.

Having said that, the closest thing to the rhythm of the butterfly, which is far and away the most important aspect of the stroke imo, is the breastroke. Totally agree with that. I used to do that pulling drill you mentioned myself, back in the day.

If you look at some of the great freestylers, a lot of them were good butterfliers (Matt Biondi, my favorite swimmer — and one of the most underrated swimmers ever) come to mind.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 9, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

in some ways

it’s hard to split up the strokes categorically. i have coached swimmers who were phenomenal at both breast and fly and others at free and fly. the best Masters’ swimmer i ever coached was great at all three and hated backstroke. likewise, doing one arm fly can feel very similar to one arm free with a two-beat kick, except for the body movement. body movement/rhythm is so important in all strokes, and this is the key similarity between breast and fly, as you say, and why i tend to group them together. frog/whip kick is very different from dolphin kick, but where you’re trying to get to with the body is much more similar than it is with free.

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by nicknorco on Apr 9, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Backstroke was always my worst stroke

…even though it was, from a technique perspective, pretty close to being ideal.

Weird.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Apr 9, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

same here

i could never seem to get the timing, even though i had the component parts. i never took to breaststroke much, either, which sort of screws up my entire theory about which strokes are related! :)

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by nicknorco on Apr 9, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

breast with dolphin kick

better on the knees, too. And works great with fins.

by JFS_PGH on Apr 9, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's true

it’s also a stroke that can be done really badly. l first learned it from my dad who had a magnificent fly. a herniated disc hampered my ability as an adult but i still have the greatest respect for those who do it well and i loved to coach it.

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by nicknorco on Apr 8, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

raced it a bit, but

with short arms, I probably looked more like a drowning windmill than a proper swimmer.

by JFS_PGH on Apr 9, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Red Zone

Michigan. Now Baghdad and various odd places in provincial Iraq. Brazil by late summer…and many places before and to come.

Been just lurking here for a while, since the work pace and internet logistics here made me miss the VDS deadline. But vacation starts Thursday and I’ve made last minute plans to be at Paris-Roubaix next weekend. Still trying to figure out bike rental (and what type) so I can bounce around Carrefour, Arenburg, and the like for a couple days…

Always love the enthusiasm here; just wish I had the time to respond in kind.

by Mr 60 Percent on Apr 3, 2009 9:10 PM EDT reply actions  

They have internet in Bagdad?!

No kidding… Or do I? How.. I ca’t say great, I think…. Eeh dangerous.. What do you do? (If you want to tell_ Are you Iraques, That’s so wrong sp.. And why Bagdad or Iraque? Ans just a looooot more… But wouldn’t exhaust you with that..

Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..

by Frinking on Apr 4, 2009 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

My nephew just came home from serving in Mosul & Kirkuk Iraq.....

He always had internet….soooo we were able to keep in touch.

by steph- on Apr 4, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

we even had full coverage of the ToC here

Won’t be able to see RVV though, since internet is too slow for cycling.tv. And we don’t get Eurosport.

Diplomat by trade. One of the positives of serving in Iraq is that we get a lot of vacation time. So I’ll be at Paris-Roubaix next weekend, then I’ll rent a bike in the Algarve for a while — already mapped out a day to ride most of the stage that Contador won in the Tour de Algarve. Work-wise, this place is fascinating for a year. Life-wise, I can’t wait to get back to fresh air and open spaces…and that time is coming soon!

by Mr 60 Percent on Apr 4, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's cool..

But I would shitting my pants walking on the street hearing gun shots everywhere.. Or isn’t it that bad in Bagdad? And do you meet the Iraques people.. What do they think? Is there any hope left? I presume it’s worse with what I heard with al the suicide bom attack.. But that’s the media..

Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..

by Frinking on Apr 5, 2009 5:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hi, I'm Manny from LA

I must say I lurk mostly because by the time I am up the races are over….I love the live posts when I drag my ass out of bed early enough to be watching live with you all. Self confessed fan of Levi and avid rec rider myself. As for the VDS … it my first year and think if I play my cards right I could grab the Lanterne Rouge because of bad choices in classic specialists. Glad to be here in this community.

by ETlite on Apr 3, 2009 11:50 PM EDT reply actions  

did you

forget about the curse of the rainbow and pick Ballan too?

Viva la Lactique

by nrs5000 on Apr 4, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I picked Hincapie,Cancellara, Devolder and Hoste

Studs all for sure but I think Cancellara’s injury puts him short on form right now and Hoste has not showed himself so far this year. Always I hope that Big George ends his run of bad luck and attacks at the prefect moment. Maybe this year he rolls strong and gets some.

by ETlite on Apr 4, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Since I know there are an inordinate amount of librarians out there...

… and lovers of libraries… I ran across this (admittedly a little old) story the other day

Dude... why WOULDN'T Thor ride the chicken?

by crashdan on Apr 4, 2009 12:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes, this story made steam come out of my ears.

If I caught anyone trying to do that in MY library….well….their lives would be hell…bahahaha!

by Albertina on Apr 4, 2009 5:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Generally speaking I'm a peaceful sort...

but if I catch anyone doing something like that to books and I cannot be held responsible for my actions.

I'm built for descending...

by omnevelnihil on Apr 4, 2009 5:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seeing as I never managed to write a proper synopsis of my life, and everyone else seems to be doing it....

Hello everyone, my name in not Albertina. That is the name of my toy albatross. I was born in the hideously tacky seaside town of Margate in Kent (UK), although I must hasten to add that my parents didn’t live there, but in rather more upmarket Broadstairs, some miles away. I moved to Storrington in West Sussex when I was six months old. My Dad is a vicar so we moved about a bit. In my childhood I was obsessed with horses. Moved to Worthing, due south until you hit the coast, when I was 10. My next sporting obsession was cricket and I spent many hours at the county ground at Hove surveying matches (and hottitude..ahem) while I should have been revising for my A-levels. Then I went off to study history at Cambridge, where I sang in chapel choirs, played in orchestras, played a little cricket and became obsessed with Wagner. Then went to University College London to do a masters…but spent more time singing. Now I work in a medical library, which is a little random. In addition to this, I am a part time professional singer, which provides my pocket money. I became obsessed with cycling in 2007. I was so excited about the Tour coming to London but then got flu. Never been so depressed. But made up for it by going to Alpe d’Huez in 2008. I’ve been riding for about a year and now possess the most beautiful Bianchi known to man, but I’m not worthy of it. I tend to be drawn to obscure things, which is why I am possibly the only English language writer in the world on Basque pelota.

by Albertina on Apr 4, 2009 5:14 AM EDT reply actions  

You amaze me

Such variety in your passions
And to arrive at cycling at the end, well I never could tell a nadir from an apogee !
Another great PdCer !

by MavicMoto on Apr 4, 2009 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

hey welcome to the

unworthy of your bike club! I’m there too and my bike is probably not even as cool as yours.

by yeehoo on Apr 4, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

cricket

I saw an old Inspector Clouseau movie the other night, there was a hilarious bit where his boss gets hold of some machine that can wipe countries off the map, so he (being “French”) decides to get rid of England: his ravings/justifications include “No more cricket! No more warm beer!” ;)

by plinytheelder on Apr 4, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pelota

Those dudes are nuts…..watching them is mesmerizing….when you can see the ball.

by bradBordeaux on Apr 4, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, totally nuts.

I favour the bare handed version, which is the most popular in the Basque Country. Their hands are not a pretty site by the time they retire but man they’re tough!

by Albertina on Apr 4, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oooh

Another devotee of Uncle Richard!

I am not ashamed to say that I cried during a production of Tannhäuser :-). And one day I hope to see the complete Ring cycle… preferably in Bayreuth ;-).

by Lou... on Apr 4, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've seen two complete Rings, at English National Opera and the Royal Opera.

I wasn’t a huge fan of either, production wise, but still came out totally overwhelmed. I’m going to the Maryinsky’s Ring in the summer at the Royal Opera House, conducted by Gergiev…a colleague of mine managed to get me a ticket through priority booking :-)

by Albertina on Apr 4, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Add me (and crashdan BTW)

but the LA ring turns out to be an an abomination, sad to say (and expensive to see).

by JFS_PGH on Apr 5, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I read Dan's extraordinary rant!

Hoping the Gergiev one will be good….if I manage to see the stage with my cheap ticket…

by Albertina on Apr 6, 2009 4:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

omnevelnihil = dodgy Latin translation of the phrase "All or Nothing"

My name’s Dan, born in Melbourne, Australia. Had the misfortune to be raised in a Queensland town that didn’t agree with me (honestly not trying to spark the state debate, it was the town…) and moved to Sydney as soon as I got my degree. Spent several years living and working in New Zealand and moved back to Sydney in 2004. First started watching cycling in 96 when I caught one of the mountain stages of the TdF. Have loved the spectacle of the sport ever since, but have only ever been a casual rider. These days I commute and ride for fun. If I ever win lotto, I’ll be spending my time (and money) catching as many races in person as possible and catching up with as many PdCers as I can along the way….

I'm built for descending...

by omnevelnihil on Apr 4, 2009 5:54 AM EDT reply actions  

there definitely are... no matter what your preference

There are plenty of great road routes through amazing scenery and if you’re into off-road it gets even better. Every ride’s just a thrill and there are so many options available. I still go back every couple of years and try to get as much riding in as I can.

I'm built for descending...

by omnevelnihil on Apr 4, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

sounds fantastic, I'm jealous

plus pretty sparsely populated if I have it right, i.e. not too many cars? sounds great.

by plinytheelder on Apr 4, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

flying dog

    Mark, currently living in central Florida. I grew up in central New York and am old enough to remember reading Eddy Merkx name in the local newspaper many times. Never knew what exactly what he was doing until many years later. I’m not sure what is more impressive, the number of races he won or the fact that there was coverage in the Syracuse newspaper.
    I have been amazed for three years now at what Chris has done with the PodiumCafe. Chris has earned everyones respect and in the process created an environment where people can learn something and laugh and not be afraid to participate if they desire to, in other words we’re all welcome here.
    Thanks Chris, and everyone else too.

Speed on the descent can easily be lost when you slam into a tree.

by flying dog on Apr 4, 2009 8:08 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

I don’t know what I’d do without the Cafe. Best site on the whole web.

by Albertina on Apr 4, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jimbo here

Born and raised in southern California, went to college in central California (Cal Poly) where I studied Biology, moved to northern California where I do IT security stuff (long story). Now I live in Marin county, north of San Francisco, with my brilliant and gorgeous wife and two daughters (I am the luckiest guy I know). In the interim, I have lived on the east coast of the US in and around Boston, New York, and New Jersey, and even got to live in London for a few months during what surely was the darkest, coldest, and wettest winter on record (not a slam on London or Londoners, I love that town and the people there, but I swear the sun came up there at 11:00 AM and went down at 2:00 PM, and it rained all day, every day, yet it somehow managed to stay exactly 1 degree above freezing the entire time. It kept the beer cold, though). Never a racer, but I used to ride a lot back in the mid 80’s, took a ten year break, rode a lot in the mid 90’s took another long break, and now I spend as much time as I can riding the hills and back roads of Marin. I even get to commute by bike over the Golden Gate Bridge on occasion, which is pretty cool. If you ever get the chance to visit Northern California, drop me a note and I will show you around. And if any or you current Norte Californianos feel like riding the Tour De Cure century in Napa with my “team”, drop me a note. It is a gorgeous course with excellent support, and it is all for a good cause (Diabetes). And for the record I do not own Crocs, or a Snuggie, nor have I ever ritually shaved Crashdan’s, or anyone else’s, testicles. Just so we are clear on that. But we do have a few Coldplay CD’s in the house. They’re my wife’s, I swear.

More Muur...

by Jimbo... on Apr 4, 2009 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Cold beer in London?

You obviously weren’t drinking proper beer….

by Albertina on Apr 4, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boredom

I was at work until Friday night doing a major upgrade of a product we purchased from a software company that evidently named itself after that large, bright object that appears in the sky right around the time you finish upgrading its products. Ever heard of them?

More Muur...

by Jimbo... on Apr 4, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

You had me hooked, right up until

Coldplay reared it’s ugly head.

When is your Napa ride?

"I didn't look for him and I didn't see him. If you base your race on another rider, most of the time you lose."

Tom Boonen

by Drew Davis on Apr 11, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, ok. Can't make that one.

"I didn't look for him and I didn't see him. If you base your race on another rider, most of the time you lose."

Tom Boonen

by Drew Davis on Apr 13, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

John here

Born/raised in East Tennessee, (a half hour west of Knoxville – shout out to Kim and Dheadrick!) where I bought my first real bike – a Raleigh Technium – in the mid-80s and rode like the wind (or at least that’s how I remember it). I remember being glued to CBS when it showed the hour long recap of the TdF during LeMond’s heyday and recall hearing about some upstart named Lance Armstrong. Graduated from college in Memphis TN but not before selling the bike for beer money. (The stupidity of youth). Worked as a paralegal for few years then became a military officer and got my first mountain bike. Loved it, but it got stolen! A few years later the military sent me through law school, and I started doing tris w/ a new mountain bike. Graduated in 2001 and bought a road bike as my present. Been riding ever since, now on a 4 year old Cervelo.

I’ve lived in Atlanta (where I moved out at the mature age of 16 because my dad wouldn’t let me ride on the road because he said it was too dangerous), Montgomery AL, Idaho, Louisiana, the Florida panhandle (ah, the beach!) and now West Texas.

I took my bike and trainer on my last deployment to Iraq and spent a lot of time riding while staring out the window at the trailer 15 feet away from me, but I got in really good shape! During that deployment, I also spent some time in Europe. I rented a car and drove into France and then into Luxembourg and got onto some of the back roads that reminded me so much of the classics – a perfect Walter Mitty moment. I also was in Spain and took a long walk on some roads that had cyclist’s names painted on them from previous races. Sublime!

The PdC and the people who post here are the bomb!

Thinking hard - really hard - of something witty to say....

by Cyclingrush on Apr 4, 2009 7:00 PM EDT reply actions  

New to PdC

Started lurking latish last year, on the advice of a PdC regular who convinced me to get up at some ungodly hour and watch my first race. Trying to see if my former rabid football (aka soccer) fanaticism can find new life with cycling.
Well, that, and Dominique Rollin’s cute ass is as good an incentive as any.
(As for location, according to the PdCer I know, if you don’t live in a city, you’re living nowhere, so let’s just say I’m now in Nowhere, USA, by way of several, earlier years of continent trotting.)

by Peej on Apr 4, 2009 7:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm such an idiot.

And, kicking myself for not going up to Dominique Rollin’s “cute ass” after the CSC race last year. He was hanging around post race with no one around him and Mark said, “Go up and get your picture taken with him and say hi!” And, I just stupidly giggled like a school girl, blushed and refused. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

by Megabeth on Apr 4, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

At a loss for words

that you passed up on that opportunity (and he looked so great there, too.)
If I ever catch him standing around alone…well, let’s just say I don’t think he’ll be alone for long.

by Peej on Apr 4, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or, maybe?

Perhaps I knew that if I touched your man, you’d kick my “cute ass”….yeah, that’s it.

by Megabeth on Apr 4, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rollin !!

My fellow mechanics call Dom my “mancrush”.
Kid’s going to be big.
He was bitching a little that he’s going to be in a helper role only this April.
He’’l get his chance soon.

by MavicMoto on Apr 6, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Patty here

aka Roadside

Live in Northern Virginia. Previously resided in SF Bay area, Pittsburgh and Western NY.
Big pro cycling fan for years now drawn in initially by Paris Rubaix. 2008 Graduate of the East Coast Podium Cafe gathering .

In the off season I discuss band camp with Megabeth and attend an occasional Sui-Juris tap dancing recital. New hobby is spray painting \o/ logos on snuggies.

by roadside on Apr 4, 2009 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

celerity = swiftness or speed

Born and lived in New Zealand until I moved to Sydney 4 years ago to do a PhD. Spent every summer as a kid riding bikes around my family’s holiday house on the West Coast of the South Island, but haven’t been on a bike for a few years now! My dad has always been an avid cyclist, but I only started following the pros when I moved to Sydney in 2005, and realised you could actually watch it on TV. SBS made the masterful move of showing Hell On Wheels the day before the 2005 TdF started…and I was hooked. I found PdC some time in 2006, about the same time I started following other races over the intertubes, and have been lurking ever since.

I curse the Australian system of internet download limits. How am I supposed to watch every race in april with only 10GB avaliable to me for the month (that I have to share with flatmates!). I am taking ability to follow cycling into consideration when I decide where to go for a post-doc.

by celerity on Apr 4, 2009 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Now

SBS made the masterful move

that’s not someone you see every day, in relation to cycling.

by Sui Juris on Apr 4, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

SBS is really good

they are showing PR live now, starting last year I think.
and le tour of course.
some other races delay…
I’m hoping they’ll take the Giro as well, in the near future!

by rbjhan on Apr 9, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

SBS has a long history

I grew up in Aus, and moved from Brisbane to the USA in 2000, but recall SBS were showing the TDF back in the 1990s. It is easy to forget how spoiled we all are now, but back then this was ground breaking stuff. This is when Bill Mitchell’s web site (morphed into what is now www.cyclingnews.com) and rec.bicycles.racing were the only way to get any timely information on bike races.

Oh and a Kiwi moving to Sydney, who would have guessed :-)

by muk on Apr 9, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they do pretty well

Considering that cycling hasn’t traditionally been a huge sport here. Apparently their ratings for cycling have been getting better and better recently (probably in large because of the success of Cadel and other Aussies at the tour), so I have hope for increased coverage in the future.

We certainly never got any live coverage at all in NZ, so even having just the tour was a step up for me.

by celerity on Apr 9, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

they had talks with RCS

apparently too expensive…
I’m still hoping though!

by rbjhan on Apr 10, 2009 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

download limits are painful

but 10G is about just enough for me, following everything…

by rbjhan on Apr 9, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is that the service provider, or does the gov't actually have a way to set limits?

Guess if you don’t have much choice in providers, it works out to the same thing.

by JFS_PGH on Apr 9, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's actually a problem with living on an isolated continent/really big island....

There are limited infrastructural resources and they are pretty much all owned by one company… meaning there’s a monopoly on bandwidth at the wholesale level which results in the retail user being screwed over no matter which way you cut it. But there are workable variations if you plan your race viewing appropriately ;)

I'm built for descending...

by omnevelnihil on Apr 9, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I grew up in NJ, and it’s a much prettier state than most people not from there realize. Not many trails, but the roads are very cycling friendly, at least in the area where I lived.

Spent my time in the AF at Offutt AFB in Nebraska, where the winters are ungodly cold, the summers are ungodly hot, your sense of smell is assualted every moment of your life by both the Purina dog food factory and the stockyards, there’s no such thing as free flowing water and not more than a dozen trees in the entire state. Heaven. Really.

Spent a long stretch in FL. GREAT place to vacation, not so great to live if you have to make a living. Not real cycling friendly. Only place I ever had trash thrown at me out of moving cars and trucks. Food wrappers (con food), irritating but no big deal. Glass bottles? Frightening.

Finally moved to IL and I’ve been here for about 12 years. The best thing about the state is the bike trails. Lots of them. Big “rails to trails” state. If I move again it’ll be to somewhere hilly where I can ride outside year round without having to wear every stitch of clothing in my closet.

Learn more. Be better.

by Bikezilla on Apr 6, 2009 7:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Only place I ever had trash thrown at me out of moving cars and trucks. Food wrappers (con food), irritating but no big deal. Glass bottles? Frightening.

That’s a shame. Are you sure you weren’t in Va Beach, VA? No lie, out of six 3-4 hour training rides per week, you can have AT LEAST 4-5 attempts on your life.

right click, refresh

by swells on Apr 7, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

Not anymore, but I used to…way back in the not too distant past before marriage/kids/mortgage. And I don’t live/ride in Va. Beach anymore either.

right click, refresh

by swells on Apr 7, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

indeed

there is a map of the areas where you can almost be assured of hard objects thrown at you. You can find it in any bookstore carrying books about the Civil War.

by Sui Juris on Apr 7, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

christ

Man, if I were the cyclist? I’d try to get an emergency order to get the guy’s stomach pumped. Just for fun.

by Sui Juris on Apr 7, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also?

Jimbo, Dan, Drew, Jens? I hope you all are proud of yourselves. Know what I’m seeing in the right ad box? The Jesus.

by Sui Juris on Apr 7, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Whoa!

That’s outstanding. I like the patriotic Walter “I don’t roll on Shabbas.”

right click, refresh

by swells on Apr 7, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

gravel road

real name: sean

live in winston-salem nc and often ride with elvisgoat and tschatwy(sp?). race a little (80’s bmx); rarely successfully. road, mtb, & cross; its all good. i mostly enjoy small group rides that include gravel sections like the rides found in southwest va. where’s the best riding in nc? stokes county: rural/pastoral, long sight lines of the sauratown range, and farm-to-market roads going everywhere. goat you listenin?

"Race radios in Cat 4?"

by gravel road on Apr 7, 2009 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

snakeboat = kelly

Grew up south of Boulder, watched the Red Zinger as a pre-teen and was hooked. Saw Hinault and the Russians on the Morgul. Watched Argentin win Worlds at the AFA in 86. Julich was on my junior team at Wheat Ridge Cyclery, though I’m positive he’d never recall. Sheesh, that was a looong time ago. Moved to the PRB after college and worked at Excel for 8 years. Remember when the Cycle Logic ride started at Cycle Logic. Great place at the time. Been racing since I was 12 as a wannabe. Did the Crested Butte mtb race when there was so much coal dust that my tongue was black afterward. Biggest regret is spending a semester in Perpignan in the south of France and not being able to bring my bike. Love riding skinny tires on dirt, that’s just the way things should be. As such, my fave race is the Eroica, followed closely by Flanders, the Koppenberg Cross and the Ardennes. Have kinda given up on having the latest and greatest, what with an 8 yr old in the house, but I still drool over the carbon everything nowadays. I thought a merlin was the most money people would ever pay for a frame, and boooy was I wrong. Am tired of the doping meme and hope that the younger generation can get over the temptation. Love watching AC go uphill, SS go down and Freire sprint. Livin in Denver now. If you’re heading out this way and need local info, ring me up!

25s on dirt, what's not to like?

by snakeboat on Apr 7, 2009 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

GKS = Gunnar

Born in LA but spent my formative years growing up on an Indian Reservation located in western North Dakota. Moved down to Irivine, Ca. my senior year and after finishing school moved north to San Francisco. Started getting into cycling pretty seriously while living there before packing the bike up and heading for Sydney, Australia. Spent five wonderful years living in the Eastern Suburbs and racking up many km’s going round and round Centinnial Park. Upon my return to the US, I relocated in Healdsburg, Ca. up in the Sonoma County wine country. Great cycling needless too say. Back to SF briefly and now living in a little village located in the Red River Valley out in eastern North Dakota.

This website is great! I really enjoy the race coverage and how everyone contributes to it.

Thanks

GKS

by GKS on Apr 8, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Heard you had some serious dampness up there.

National news has stopped covering it. How’re things?

by JFS_PGH on Apr 9, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not good.

The second crest of the river is expected in the next couple of days. It’s going to be a mess for quite some time.

by GKS on Apr 9, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

what a great bunch of folks...

…I’m “the other Steph” but note the “T” at the end. Originally from Northern Virginia, but have lived in Annapolis, Md., the last three years. A writer/editor by trade. Cycling fan for the last four or five years. One of these days will get around to acquiring a bike that will allow me to explore some of the pretty country around here.

~StephT

by StephT on Apr 12, 2009 5:11 PM EDT reply actions  

There isa great bike trail in you neck of the woods I road last week

The Baltimore – Annapolis bike trail was enjoyable. I picked it up near my hotel and road a quick 12 miles as the sun was setting on a cool day. A very nice Urban trail.

Just spinning the pedals in the hills of Western Maryland

by natbla on Apr 16, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I first saw this post

with about 300 comments and found it too intimidating to join …. several hundred more posts and it is just frightening …. what a great community.

Me, I live on the edge of Geneva, but since recently, now on the French side.

PS – The Tour de Romandie in a couple of weeks ends here! woohoo

formerly known as cyclingchallenge

by Willj on Apr 14, 2009 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Ah yes, we are approaching that part of the year

I like to call “Will-Hating-Season”. If the site offered that option I would colour all my replies to your posts green.

by Jens on Apr 14, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL - at least he shares with stories and pics!!!

"...if you're not going to pull through, I'm going to attack you." ~CVV (ToBC Stg 4)

by nikki on Apr 14, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Nikki, I got your card

made my chuckle quite vigorously. Thanks a lot.

First place in monuments so soooooo overrated, 2nd is were it's at.

by Phil H. on Apr 14, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can a boy chuckle?

Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..

by Frinking on Apr 14, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes silly Frinkster

chuckle is not gender specific

First place in monuments so soooooo overrated, 2nd is were it's at.

by Phil H. on Apr 14, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Serious?! It looks so feminine...

Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..

by Frinking on Apr 14, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

in comparison

only men can titter nervously. Women cannot.

by Sui Juris on Apr 14, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

ezactly!

But everyone can snicker uncontrollably.

by Jen See on Apr 14, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

titters nervously

You may very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.

by nicknorco on Apr 14, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

giggle

is usually reserved for feminine / female or kids. You may be thinking of that. Chuckle is usually a laugh with mouth closed. You can hear it, but it’s not a loud “ha ha ha.” Giggle is the higher pitched hee hee sound (I guess that’s “hie hie hie” in Dutch). Can also be with mouth closed, I guess, but doesn’t have to be. Titter would be “tee hee hee” (Dutch Tie Hie Hie) very high pitched and fast or nervous, and yes, you’re being teased with that ; )

by JFS_PGH on Apr 15, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

No it isn't tie hie hie in Dutch..

We are peoples! Not some alien freaking hyenas!

Lopex.. Tell them the truth!

Lopex.. Tell them the truth!But serious.. I would say something very educated here but I have not a clue how you can translate tee hee hee… Think Kofie ie ie isn’t exactly right

Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..

by Frinking on Apr 15, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah! It had you written all over it!

Ever try signing a card that plays music and not have it play while in the office? ha ha! Glad you liked it!

"...if you're not going to pull through, I'm going to attack you." ~CVV (ToBC Stg 4)

by nikki on Apr 15, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm another of the Washington DC Metro contingent

from Arlington, VA. Great map, btw. Fun to see where everyone hails from.

Jens Voigt doesn’t know where you live, but he knows exactly where you will die.

by OnTheRivet on Apr 15, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions  

tellin' you

we need to gather at Hains Point for a few laps, some lunchtime soon.

(Also, don’t forget CSC Invitational/Crystal City Classic, this year.)

by Sui Juris on Apr 15, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

the cone of smugness

prevents NYC area (especially Williamsburg) ip addresses from logging in to PdC..

by R Mc on Apr 16, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

natbla = Nathan

Born in IL, grew up in Boston and then Northampton, MA. Moved to Western Maryland (McHenry) to race whitewater slalom at a small community college. blew my shoulder out and remembered that it might be important to actually get an education as well as kayak. AA in Theater design, BS from Frostburg State U. in Psychology, spent a wasted semester attending Law School and then grad courses in Poli Sci at WVU (costly learning experience). Got married to a wonderful lady from Atlanta who I met at the community College (Garrett College). I have held jobs in Human Services, education, and now public housing all in planning and development type positions. Got a masters in Community Economic Development from Southern New Hampshire U. (great program). I have the most amazing 5 year old daughter.

I remember digging through the Boston Glob’s results page in the sports section to see who did what in the major races in the 80’s (ie GTs). I was in a bike 4-H cub in Western MA, but quit riding when I got serious about whitewater slalom (4 hrs a day on the river makes riding tough). I casually followed the Tour through the Indirain years when I could but got rehooked hard in 2000 when my best friend in boating was also a rider and into the pro racing. As with most things in my life I’m a “Go big or Go home” kind of person. So, now my day starts and finishes with what is going on in the cycling world.

I live in Frostburg, MD and work in Cumberland. This area is a great place to live if you like outdoor activities. The area has a seasonal break up similar to Southern Vermont w/o as many bug of the mud season. During the late spring and summer I try and commute 2-4 days a weak on my bike. Its a 30 mile round trip with 2200 feet of climbing on the way home. I love descending as I’m in search of the perfect line around each corner with the least braking and the carrying of the most speed out of the turn.

For that reason, while I love the excitement of a mountain top finish, my favorite races are those where a technical decent decides the out come of the race/stage. My favorite riders are Levi, Bobby J, DZ, GH, and anyone challenging the heads of state in which ever race is live today..

Just spinning the pedals in the hills of Western Maryland

by natbla on Apr 16, 2009 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

On my yes!

BTW 24 hrs of big Bear is about 45 minutes drive from my house. About a dozen members of the Wheelman club will be racing a smaller race there as well. The Laurel Highlands section of Appalachia is great for all kinds of riding. RAAM comes through here every year too.

Just spinning the pedals in the hills of Western Maryland

by natbla on Apr 16, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I keep meaning to get out that way

for rides. Closest I’ve gotten was an adventure race at Rocky Gap. Might try to shoot the UCI race at Greenbrier next weekend, if travel permits.

by Sui Juris on Apr 16, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

They have been doing Adventure races at the new Adventuresports Center ...

..on top of the Wisp. Also, if your into Triathlons – the Savage Man triathlon is gorgeous and brutal – 50 mile ride w/ 10K of climbing and a brick wall 20% plus climb that if you get up w/o putting your feet down or under a certain time (can’t remember which) they put your name on a brick on the hill. The road is normally closed to traffic so they have to mow it to make it safe to ride up.

fF you like mountain biking – Greenridge State Forest is a popular place on the eastern side of Allegany County.

Just spinning the pedals in the hills of Western Maryland

by natbla on Apr 16, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

My son was born in Northampton.

We lived in Sunderland while my husband and I went to grad school at UMass. I loved Western Massachusetts—would go back there in a heartbeat.

"Sean Kelly? Sorry, I am not so good with cycling history. I just want to race." --Edvald Boasson Hagen

by majope on Apr 16, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

My parents still live in Western MA

Western Maryland and Western MA are a lot alike in terms of weather and outdoor opportunities. Our mtns are higher here, and the snow is dryer, but other than that the differences are primarily cultural.

Just spinning the pedals in the hills of Western Maryland

by natbla on Apr 17, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

small town U.S.A.

bikepig = i really don’t want to put my name….damn you google. ok, fine, Jon.

Grew up in Sun Valley, Idaho, a ski/mountain bike haven. mtn biked a lot and entered my first/last mtn bike race. i narrowly missed the last place rubber chicken prize by two riders…had i only known. moved to NYC and worked on a currently unpopular Street. road cycling was not a resident in my mind, except briefly when a road cyclist would buzz past me in Central Park and i nodded in disgust at anyone with the gaul to wear spandex. (ala Seinfeld to Costanza, “Do you know what you’re saying to the world when you wear sweatpants?”) moved to San Francisco for a few years. still no biking. in a weird life twist i returned to Idaho. goodbye 80 hour work weeks and hello life. i started mountain biking again. i really missed biking. but i suffered a serious identity crisis and inside i felt like someone else. for weeks i pondered the impossible: am i really a roadie? i was more than road-curious; i knew i was a roadie. so, i ordered some spandex, a jersey, got a bike fit and a road bike. pure happiness.

i love PdC. the international flavor, civility, knowledge, passion, and the lebowski fetish. to steal and modify Chris’s signature line, “PdC, you complete me.”

Palmares:
-wore Yellow Jersey in 2009 PdC VDS
-Ronde van Vlaanderen 140km sportive
-occasional wednesday night group ride

The center of the bottom bracket is the center of the universe.

by bikepig on Apr 20, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

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