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Piccola Polemica: Cunego Speaks His Mind

Damiano Cunego Giro d'Italia A bit of polemica arose today on the Giro post-race show over an interview Damiano Cunego gave to Gazzetta dello Sport after Wednesday's stage finish at Alpe di Siusi. Cunego suffered a "giorno no," conceding over 2 minutes in the general classification. Not exactly the start he would have liked.

During Thursday's post-race show, the assembled journalists did not let him off easy. Gigi Sgarbozza, a former pro, complimented the 2004 Giro winner on his talent, calling him fuoriclasse, and wondering what had happened since 2004. Cunego's answer was philosophical: "you win, you lose, that's bike racing. I haven't lost my passion." Sgarbozza thinks Cunego should turn full time to the classics, including Milano-Sanremo. Cunego's answer, a simple No. He did not look at all pleased with the suggestion. Davide Cassani suggested that the problems were in Cunego's head, that perhaps he loses his confidence. Cunego said he was simply tired, and the stage didn't go well. He also said he is hoping to chase a stage win when the Giro heads into the Appenino.

Nothing too controversial there, until Bulbarelli, the commentator for RAI, read back a portion of Cunego's interview with Gazzetta dello Sport, in which the Lampre rider said that certain results "should be rewritten." Cunego looked distinctly uncomfortable at this, but also said that he did not intend to accuse anyone specific of doping.

So what did Cunego say to Gazzetta? Below the fold, my friends, below the fold.

Star-divide

Here is my translation of the interview in Gazzetta dello Sport.

Let's start with the Headline, just for fun:
"Cunego Disappointed: But I did what I could"
"I lost, but I already know that the classification will be rewritten after the fact."

Ahem.

The interview begins by asking if Cunego is disappointed to lose time.

"No. If I become disappointed every time that it does not go well... The life of a rider is like this: moments of great joy and moments more delicate. I must be strong to deal with this situation: not let myself go too much when I win, and not too much when I lose. Today, I lost. The rythm was too high for my possiblities. I could not do it, I was outside the race, I had to ride a lower tempo."

"At 6 kilometers to go, I continued with my climb: I rode at 19th or 20th, who knows how many others. And I want to thank Bruseghin, who gave me a hand. I tried to go well, I was curious to see how the others would go and how I would, maybe I paid a little, because the previous night I did not sleep well, but I am not looking for excuses: I did not have the strength to stay with those at the front. I did everything that I could, gave what I had. And I accept the results, even the negatives."

"There exists physical limits. My principle is this: To do what I can in the way that I should. With a conscience. The people who know you, understand you, appreciate you, esteem you, and respect you. There is a finishing order on the day, which this time has penalized me, and there is a finishing order in life, where everyone must protect himself. I am not the only one to do what I can the way I should. Therefore I keep doing it. And already I know there are certain classifications, that must be rewritten, to finished competitions, and this remains painful to me."

"After L'Alpe di Siusi, the situation is changed, my Giro is not compromised, but I must invent something. If I have the right occasion, I will try again."

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Dope!

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on May 14, 2009 9:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Are you talking about drugs or Cunego?

Thinking hard - really hard - of something witty to say....

by Cyclingrush on May 14, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Drugs

The Kid has someone in his sights, that’s for sure. Now that raises all sorts of issues…

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on May 14, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Certo

I should have added here some context. Eh, long day. Earlier this season, he has criticized Basso and the attention the press was giving Basso. All Basso’s stuff about transparency – Cunego was less than convinced by this. There was exchange between the two – Basso replied on the twit.

So er, yeah, he’s definitely got at least one rider in particular in mind here. And all but says everyone who has been winning grand tours is doping, though he does say that other riders are “doing things the right way” also, not just him.

by gavia on May 14, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has to be...

dare I say it? Let’s put it this way: I don’t want to.

Abruzziamo!

by Chris... on May 14, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol, yeah

Er, just realized it must be giro. My English is getting really random. I’m surprised you could make heads or tails of that comment ;-)

by gavia on May 15, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you serious?!

What’s nthat for?!

Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..

by Frinking on May 15, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know what the hell Cunego is saying

I think he’s just confused. He needs to forget the GC in GT’s. The only GT he could do well in is a Giro that features a week field like the 2004 Giro did. Go stage hunting and get some Ardennes wins Damiano, but stop thinking you can win the overall you silly little boy!

In Chauncey we trust!

by Phil H. on May 14, 2009 10:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, he has won it

once.

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on May 14, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cunego won a grand tour at 22

Years before riders like Leipheimer or Sastre were even sniffing the top ten in a major stage race. You can say all you want about him winning over “a weak field” yet the simple matter is he won the race, over THREE WEEKS, no easy task. Just because his development has stalled a little in the grand tours over the past couple of years is not a clear indication that he can’t still win a major 3 week tour one day. In fact I’m betting he will, probably another Giro.

And as far as him resenting the dopers, well, I can completely understanding where he’s coming from. You train all year to peak for a major race and find yourself getting easily gapped by riders who are later exposed as cheaters. Looking at Basso’s ride yesterday it’s incredible to see the difference between his CSC days and now, and I think people now what I’m talking about there.

by Fernando on May 14, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am going to go ahead and say he isn't winning another one, and i will keep saying ot over and over again

I said he could win if the field is week, and 2004 was damn week, but he is NEVER winning the Tour and he won’t win a Giro if the fields keep getting better or keep being this good. I will gladly swallow my words if he does suddenly discover something in his 30’s, like Sastre and levi, but at this moment, I would take you up on a bet that he won’t win another one.
Oh and Gibo got screwed over more than Cunego in 2006.

In Chauncey we trust!

by Phil H. on May 14, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On a different note:

Go Nuggets (Or Thuggets) depending on your point of view…….

Alpe Du Huez is my favorite place on earth!!!!!!

by mrmorales on May 14, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh, thuggets, hate that word, hate it a lot

we finally play hard D and now are thugs, pfft, Cuban is the only thug.

In Chauncey we trust!

by Phil H. on May 14, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I hate it too but as long as Cuban is out of the playoffs its all good……..

Alpe Du Huez is my favorite place on earth!!!!!!

by mrmorales on May 14, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

people say thug, like it's a bad thing

HTFU

"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!

by jsallee00 on May 14, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I don't mind a thuggish, tough attitude on the court

but most people have been making personal references. It got ugly here.

In Chauncey we trust!

by Phil H. on May 14, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you hear the latest about the game in Dallas?

Apparently some Dallas fans were shouting racist remarks toward the Denver bench during the game…
It got really ugly so I am glad the series is over.

Alpe Du Huez is my favorite place on earth!!!!!!

by mrmorales on May 14, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes it was nasty

btw, have you been to a playoff game? They are great fun.

In Chauncey we trust!

by Phil H. on May 14, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haven't had the pleasure

I am old enough to remember the 85 series where they went to the Western Conf finals but I have been frustrated by first round exits the last couple of years. I heard today that the Conf. finals tickets are super expensive……

Alpe Du Huez is my favorite place on earth!!!!!!

by mrmorales on May 14, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They keep getting more and more expensive

but luckily they are selling them only to Colorado residents, to avoid a fiasco like the rockies world series tix sale.

In Chauncey we trust!

by Phil H. on May 14, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What difference does that make about Gibo being screwed more?

The fact of the matter is he got screwed. Finishing 2nd in a race as mountainous as the 2006 Giro would have been no easy feat, and based on the later revelations about Gutierrez (2nd in that race) and Basso, that’s exactly where Cunego should have finished.

by Fernando on May 14, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just a general comment, he needs to stop whining about the past which he can't change and get on with it

I don’t think the 35 or so riders who beat him yesterday were all doped. He has a lot of work ahead of him if he wants to win the giro again.

In Chauncey we trust!

by Phil H. on May 14, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's the problem

All indications are that the “past” is not completely in the rear view mirror. And recent history has proved that.

And the part about the 2004 field be incredibly weak is a little misleading. Simoni, at the time, was possibly the 3rd or 4th best rider in the world. After Armstrong and Ullrich. Riders like Popovych and Garzelli were also serious contenders. Compared to 2005, when the dopers showed up, I guess it was raced a slower pace, but that’s understandable.

by Fernando on May 14, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well it was relatively weak all in all

Simoni being his teammate made it more so, yeah I know he stll tried to beat him, but it did help . But he did climb better that year than he is now, that is true. Also, the past may not be completely in the rear view mirror, but the 2006 results won’t change, Basso was caught and they still haven’t changed. He can’t do anything about it, he needs to look ahead because he can still achieve a lot. You and I will disagree as to what he can achieve but I think we will both agree he has some more big results left in him.

In Chauncey we trust!

by Phil H. on May 14, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

I just think that everytime this guy has a “bad grand tour” by the Italian media’s standards, people flock to ask him what’s wrong and why he’s struggling.

Remove the crash he had at last year’s Tour he would have probably finished in 13th. Levi Leipheimer, as recently as 2006, finished 13th in the Tour. The current trend in cycling seems to be riders increasing their endurance and stamina in their early to mid 30’s, a time which Cunego is still 3 or 4 years from.

by Fernando on May 14, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still say the tour is out of his reach

you can’t forget the incredible youth movement that is currently happening in cycling. They are getting better as well. I have enjoyed this debate btw.

In Chauncey we trust!

by Phil H. on May 14, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, the Tour seems less likely

Mostly because of his average TT skills. As far as the youth movement goes, well, many of these riders are promising but have proven very little so far. Lovkvist is the new sensation, yet the man hasn’t proven that he can consistently ride well over 3 weeks. Or that he can do it on a yearly basis.

Schleck looks impressive, that’s for sure, but he’s also a little sheltered riding on the same team as his brother. He certainly can accelerate pretty well on these tough mountains, but can he TT and assume the responsibilty and pressure that comes along with being a leader? Who knows.

Kreuziger and GEsink are promising but still no grand tour wins or even a podium finish in a grand tour. At their age Cunego had already won one.

Hard to predict the prospects of some of these guys. Back in the late 80’s early 90’s people were talking about all the great battles that would occur over the next 5 or so years between the likes of Indurain, Bugno, Breukink, Chiappucci and so on. All riders born in the mid 60’s. Within a few years all of those guys had faded away, outside of Indurain, and the expected battle never materialized.

by Fernando on May 14, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm Ok, but you forgt this one guy, who is only 26

a Spaniard, rides for Lance Armstrong’s team, has won the Tour before. i think you know who I’m talking about.

In Chauncey we trust!

by Phil H. on May 14, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, of course

Contador is a monster right now, a threat to win any race he enters. I’m sure if he focused on the classics he could win some of the Ardennes races as well, especially Fleche Wallone.

But, and there’s always a but with me lol, he’s only 26 and has already endured a lot of physical and mental stress in winning these grand tours. Could he potentially burn out in a few years? It’s possible. I sincerely hope not because I like Contador and I think it’s great for cycling to have a superstar like him who races to win year round.

by Fernando on May 14, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well I'm more worried about CONI at the moment

because, lets be honest, those Liberty days were sketchy. I hope they have nothing, because i like Bert a lot as well, but they are aiming for those big Spanish stars. And I agree he’s great for cycling, I especially love that he actually attacks often and rides aggressively, which can be bad at times as we know(dumb P-N).

In Chauncey we trust!

by Phil H. on May 14, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's an incredible climber

I haven’t seen someone climb so effortlessly since Pantani in the late 90’s. Like Contador, Marco looked to be on the verge of dominating the sport for the next 5 years before it all came crashing down. And within a few years the poor guy was gone. So it’s very hard to predict, especially because of the looming specter that is doping in the sport.

by Fernando on May 14, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

unlike Marco he can TT though

and I hope he doesn’t have any Boonen urges and stays off the drugs, which of course was part of Pantani’s downfall.

In Chauncey we trust!

by Phil H. on May 14, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Marco couldn't overcome his demons

Contador on the other hand seems to have his head on right.

Great conversation Phil, if it wasn’t for little matter of having to wake up at 7 to go to work I’d continue chatting all night. :) Take care.

by Fernando on May 15, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good night Fernando

I also thoroughly enjoyed it, I have to wake up to early to watch the Giro, how painful. :)

In Chauncey we trust!

by Phil H. on May 15, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When Alberto won the TdF . . .

who was the only guy who could keep up with Rassmusen and ahead of Pepoli and other climberw we now know were dopers. Just, as Lance beat Basso and Ullrich, who we now know were dopers. So, my question are two guys on the same team, Lance and Alberto, the two greatest Grand Tour riders of all time — able to keep up with and beat the dopers — or are they just ones who didn’t get caught (though Lance did get caught in a retrospective, non-control test for ’99).

IOTWs, I think Cunego may be right — most of the 35 ahead of him are probably using PEDs. Remember, the dopers who’ve been caught all got it for a long time. And many, like Riis, and who knows how many more, never got caught . . . .

by DeathBredon on May 15, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's negative and then there's negative...

“most of the 35 ahead of him are probably using PEDs.” I’m down on the sport a little lately, but we need to remain realistic and objective….this statement is neither

by bradBordeaux on May 15, 2009 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"I don't know what the hell Cunego is saying"

Hmm..let see…could be the fact that every winner of a grand tour in 2006 was almost certainly doped? Two of which Cunego competed in. Or how about the story that appeared in the Gazzetta following the Zoncolan stage in 2007, where it was revealed that riders like Mazzolini, Di Luca and Simoni all had abnormally low testosterone levels. Or maybe he was implying what happened last year at the Tour, when he was repeatedly dropped thanks to efforts of Bernie Kohl, Moises Duenas and Ricardo Ricco.

I think Cunego is saying, wait a few months before you judge me so harshly, because the whole story is yet to be told.

by Fernando on May 14, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he should have just sayed that then when asked about it

as long as he is too sacred to say what he really means than I can’t make out what he’s saying.
Although reading it over and over again I can get what he’s saying, but I wish he wouldn’t deny it’s what he is implying.

In Chauncey we trust!

by Phil H. on May 14, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except that . . .

I don’t think the story will be told for a long time because so many guys are still doping and beating the system. Its only when you make a mistake in dosing that these guys get nailed in a control. And only freak incidents, like Operation Peurto, where the lid comes off without positive tests, actually exposes many riders.

Indeed, the riders are still beating the system by and large, and only the odd guy gets caught. And if you don’t dope in a Grand Tour, then you ride like Cunego — a threat and force in all the Ardennes Classic, but merely 35th after the second major climb in the Giro, behind many non-climbers.

To me its obvious that, at least in the Grand Tours, high GC or even super-domestique status, simply requires doping. And since the PED detection (Riis never got caught) and enforcement have been so uneven ("Valv. Piti "or Armstong ‘99), and also because so many guys’ careers depend on getting through the Grand Tours at or near the front, you gotta figure that nothing has changed except the skill of the dopers in evading detection.

by DeathBredon on May 15, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's A Little Cynical.

Haven’t many been complaining lately that no one is able to blow people away on the climbs, with huge accelerations like they used, except for Contador (I in no way am saying contador is doping). I keep hearing people think races are boring, now. Couldn’t this be because people have stopped doping. I understand our sports past, but I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. I personally think the sport has become a lot more exciting as it seems it is less predictable.

by profgubler on May 15, 2009 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is he referring to results from prior competitions

or this one? The headline suggests one thing, but the quote in the last paragraph suggests he’s referring to prior competitions.

by Katiek on May 14, 2009 10:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

certo

It’s unclear – I think he may have said both, actually. Or, the Gazzetta people are getting creative. I didn’t hear the actual interview, just read their transcription.

by gavia on May 14, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's what he complains about in the postrace show

you, know, the old classic that you have to read the whole article & not just the headline… but then it was pointed out to him that Bulbarelli was challenging him on that particular quote & not the headline, at which point he became a bit of a stuttering wreck. But I think Gazzetta’s headline writer clearly went for a particular interpretion of that quote which Cunego seems to have left it open to…

Having said that, I have a lot of sympathy with Cunego. Cunego suggesting, rather mildly, that the book might not be closed on a particular stage at the end of the race is a good deal less ridiculous than Bulba waving the Gazzetta at him & saying, So Damiano, are you really saying there are riders in the peleton who aren’t clean? What, Auro? Are you really saying there aren’t any?

by civetta on May 15, 2009 6:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was Bulba baiting him to get juicy quotes

or was he implying that Cunego was lying or making unfounded statements?

by Jens on May 15, 2009 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bulba's usually one of the forgive and forget bunch

It looked a bit like instinct kicking in, bloodlust to the fore. No suggestion that he thought he was lying, just hoping to get a bit more than the guy who did the print interview.

And it’s hard to know who he had in mind. People here might think first of Basso, but I saw on one French forum a pretty long discussion on what Brad Wiggins and Chris Horner were on.

by Monty. on May 15, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trying to get a quote, I think

He was also I think filling in the context for the people on teevee who may not have read the gazzetta interview.

Not too many riders in Italy are saying even in veiled terms what Cunego said in that interview. So, I think also Bulba was challenging him some to say more.

by gavia on May 15, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes this fills in nicely after patchy info from the post race show interview

(the post race show which I don’t get, or perhaps on the intertoobz somewhere but too lazy to look it up after watching the race on tv).

by tedvdw on May 15, 2009 5:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, javascript quirk

previous comment not quite finished posting I guess. Next comment pops up in wrong place, should have been below.

by tedvdw on May 15, 2009 5:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do feel sorry for Cunego on this one

On one hand, the Italian fans are clamoring for him to show his 2004 form

On the other hand, fans in general complain that riders who now claim that they are riding clean don’t complain about doping. But when they do, they get accused of whining, sour grapes (see Simoni) or fans complain that they don’t say enough and should name names. Of course, when they do name names well the PR machine gets started and all hell breaks loose.

by lyne on May 14, 2009 11:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

'you want to say your feelings and if you let your emotions pour out it shows how much the sport means to you. and cycling means everything to me.'- mark cavendish

by benrazor on May 15, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed.

He must have quite the support network on a personal level – His position is by no means an easy one.

by gavia on May 15, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reminds me of Lance's "I was protecting the interests of peleton comment" back in '04

When he chased down Simeoni. In hindsight Lance really comes off as the loser in that particular incident.

And yes, bravo to Cunego for being so outspoken about riding clean. He was adamant that he was clean before last year’s Tour and was lying in 13th with a few days to go when he crashed out of the race. Seeing results like that restores my faith in cycling to some extent.

by Fernando on May 14, 2009 11:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone think he looks a bit heavier than in '04?

He’s definitely looking more Bettini-esque, who had 8% body fat. I seem to be under the impression Cunego looked slimmer in ‘04. But he’ll come back strong later in the season.

by brunopitton on May 15, 2009 12:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I concur.

I think he looks heavier, but not in a bad way, he definitely looked bigger at coppi e bartali

by Huntero on May 15, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

brief comment from Gavazzi

who is a team mate with cunego.

He said the team is relaxed and happy. Also, they are taking it stage by stage and will try to get either Cunego or Bruseghin a win somewhere.

by gavia on May 15, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Still think Bruse is a top candidate for Cinqueterre

His form might be a questionmark but it seems hard to think that stage suits anyone better.

by Jens on May 15, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Wouldn’t be at all surprised. No doubt he has spent time previewing it.

by gavia on May 15, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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