Giro d'Italia Stage 15: Post-Stage Thread
by ursula on May 24, 2009 11:46 AM EDT
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Dangerous but not decisive was the guess for this stage pre-race and dangerous but not decisive was the outcome. Some atacking by Basso, Garzelli and a little one by Di Luca came to naught.
Top five on the day:
1/ Leonardo Bertagnolli Diqui
2. Serge Pauwells Cervello .54
3. Marco Pinotti, Comumbia
4. Lars Bak, Saxo
5. Marco Marzano, Lampre .56
I presume no change in the GC.
Oh- and Catalunya is over too. Check the fan post by majope for the final VDS points there.
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Slept in
sounds like a fun one. Thanks for covering!
Abruzziamo!
by Chris Fontecchio on May 24, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions
Lyne and Gav chatting on twitter about it.
I love C, not because he rocks as a cyclist, but because deep down he's a band geek! LOL!
Jeff Lauder posted
that the Belgian commentators were going balistic abou Pauwels being called back.
My French isn't great but he certo says he was called back to help Sastre
and he sounds mighty pissed off. As would anyone be.
Adrenalina Italiana!
i think Menchov
was lucky today. Maybe it was his diplomatic skills, but if he and his team don’t have more carefull, he could ends like Contador in PN…
meh
IMHO the break by Basso never had a chance. Too much of a flat run in
ON the other hand, it does expose the Rabobank team as fairly weak, meaning that the rest of the way Manchov is on his own. He’s gonna get attacked left and right tomorrow.
i think the best thing for Rabo
is send some guy in early break…
by semprenaroda on May 24, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
Tomorrow is for Liquigas and Astana, the two deepest teams, to play their cards. Make Menchov and Di Luca choose between who to follow and risk losing big time.
They allready did it in dutch
He had to stop, van Poppel ordered him to do so.
Pauwels himself couldn’t just keep racing… If Sastre would’ve lost time, the team would be furious. Still the worst mistake i’ve seen in a long long long long looooooong time.
lyne just translated for us on twitter
" I was almost sure of winning. DS asked me to wait in the descent. I followed Bet’s wheel. Normally I am not good in descents.
“I am disappointed but I must do what the team asks.
Vacchi and Bäckstedt on Swedish ES
Were convinced that Pauwels would’ve outsprinted Bertagnolli. They were not impressed with Cervelo.
Bork, bork, bork!
by TheFigurehead on May 24, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Why not?
Simoni and Zapatero are out of the GC. Diq could be of help these next days? I doubt if that deal was made though.
why not?
It might have been cash, of course.
Bertag is a local – lives near the finish. Probably a stage worth buying for Savio, especially with Simoni dropping like a rock out of the classification today.
Yeah, Corruption is so ugly
Throwing a race is just so ugly
Doping is so ugly.
Maybe gavia can give more reports on how CONI deals with race fixing.
And how much money was made on that so-called gentlemens agreement?
How much did the bookies pay out?
and he never dropped all the way back to Sastre anyway.
He just pulled back to the chase group
"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!
which he could have done from the front
"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!
but if there was a deal
why make it so obvious
"The road is our agony, but also our daily bread; and at night, when it is deserted and the moon glistens on the asphalt, the ridiculous dreams of racers like us pass up and down it."
--Dino Buzzati
If we see
Sastre and Simoni off the front tomorrow then I’ll think it was worth it. Otherwise…bleh
"Never swing a small stick. " Andy Hampsten
LoL... Love it Bleh
"the rest was over 30. And that doesn't mean old and useless, but experienced and with the stamina"
Jens! Voigt, Crit Intl Interview, 2009
Have to say: FRIGGGGGGGGIN HELLLLLLL
OK , needed to get that of my chest…
Let the boy friggin go for it…
He felt he could do it, FUCK me… tactics reallly sux some times……….
"the rest was over 30. And that doesn't mean old and useless, but experienced and with the stamina"
Jens! Voigt, Crit Intl Interview, 2009
I wouldn't mind
but it’ was so blatantly poorly thought through.
I called them morons but I think we have to remember that the Cervelo DS’s have little experience at this level. I think they freaked. Possibly Sastre was giving them hell for being alone when they had resources nearby and they made a bad call.
Tell me more
I mean how much experience are we talking about? The Cervelo DS’s in Belgium sure were smart.
What GT's have Van Poppel been DSing at these last years?
One day and three week races are different beasts.
Van Poppel told the Belgium commentators
A decision was not made by the team leaders, but someone ‘above’ them. They ‘had to’ call him back because of Sastre
No no, They are testing equipment on the CTT
They wanted to make sure their new experimental brakes worked under descending-conditions.
Anyone knows where I can find the expected arrival of tomorrow's stage?
Or is there a site where I can see the entire race somewhere at night? (Europe)
I have exams, might have to race to my own home to see the last part of the stage
ES shows highlights every morning, rai sport every
evening and next day.
Links at www.cyclingfans.com or www.steephill.tv
by Bruce Suomi on May 24, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
not in the evening
raisport piu does reshow at least the final hour or more of the prior day’s stage… but that’s in the am…
lately, it’s been showing a complete repeat of the stage in the early am local time, starting btwn 2am and 4am
check this site for the schedule. use the yellow arrows to move forward and backward in the schedule.
http://www.televideo.rai.it/televideo/pub/pagina.jsp?p=518&s=1&r=Nazionale&idmenumain=0
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
I took "entire race" to mean the whole race
as in from roll out to finish. Nobody shows that. ToC was the only ones to do that on the tour tracker and that was only because they were providing the coverage. I wish someone would show the whole race, but RAI owns the coverage for this race and they have never done that…
More Muur...
my understanding is that they use to show the entire race... several years ago
and they do show quite a bit when you add in the live images from the si gira and aspettando il giro shows
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Thanks for the help, you are all great!
This means the day after tomorrow I can probably watch over 1 hour+ of the race!
I have to say the site of Rai is very good
Thanks very much
Looks like I’ll have to sprint like hell to see those last minutes. Anyone else got a link to see the stage again in the evening?
Uh...
Gibo 18 minutes behind today. Lost 16 minutes on the GC, dropped from 8th to 26th. A breakaway tomorrow then.
Bork, bork, bork!
Nah, that's the team's PR look-a-like for Denis
The real Denis is already in the team bus grumbling about how damn hot it was and Danilo’s stupid attacks.
Two things before I call it a night
1. I love these stages that surprise me. OK so it didn’t change much in the end but I think it’s great that Liquigas and Basso try these little stunts to shake up the race. With better luck they might have gotten more out of it. In the end it proves that a parcours is what you make of it. To those who want and dare there are always opportunities.
2. Chris , you may be a bit surprised at the big jump we made today from Thread No 1 directly to thread No 3. Have no fear. This netapp. for Drew will prevent such events in the future.
There is a explanation about the whole Pauwels deal...
Van Poppel seems to make a lot more sense now when he explains it.
Interesting
So it was Carlos who panicked. I’m not sure that he actually had a reason to do so.
Bork, bork, bork!
by TheFigurehead on May 24, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Makes no sense but it seems to be true, they really blew it today
Combination of panicking and poor communication I guess, as LA twittered after the race… “I wouldn’t want to be at the Cervelo dinner table”.
I hate it for Pauwels, you could see during the race he didn’t not want to drop back, he knew they had more than a good chance to stay away even then. Suckage.
+1. A bizarre situation.
The Basso group was always going to come back and Sastre didn’t need Pauwels there. I’m not surprised he didn’t want to stop. He’d have won that stage I reckon. Poor guy…I feel gutted for him!
Adrenalina Italiana!
yeah that was my thought
that the official Cervelo response on their website seems to emphasize how it would have made more sense if Pauwels had done what he was told without question immediately … nice to shift the blame.
essentially
If Pauwels did what he was told, then the team would have looked less stupid. Mind you, the decision still would have been just as stupid, it just might not have looked so bad.
You’re going to panic because Basso has 40 sec on a descent? Seriously? Maybe a little homework is in order by Mr’s Sastre and van Poppel.
To yank the stage away from Pauwels and then call him out for not disguising the bad choice is a bit disappointing to see.
Hopefully they’ll learn from it. If these guys are going to kill themselves for Carlos, he needs to be a little more careful.
"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!
The alternative explanation
is that things did NOT, or not exactly, go as described by Cervélo. It could be spin. Can’t imagine a rider taking almost the whole descent to (half-heartedly) start backing off, if he did indeed hear those instructions before the summit.
that's true
it’s not as if they would come out and say “We made a deal”. The end justifies the means? We’ll have to wait and see.
"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!
and I'm not sure
How Pauwels spending 30 seconds with the team car on the descent fits with this scenario. How long does it take to say “Wait for Carlos!”
"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!
I'm voting spin
A rider called back to work for his captain does not generally throw a tantrum – and is generally not called back unless it’s really necessary. I also don’t buy that he got the call before the descent. Pauwels didn’t start backing off – and halfheartedly at that – until the descent. He’d have been back to the favorites group instantly if he’d sat up on the climb.
Also, Bertagnolli is a local boy. Nice coincidence, there.
if anyone's interested, raisport piu is reshowing stage 15 NOW
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
no baby yet, doing well otherwise
starting to wonder whether I might actually get to see the entire Giro first, though I’d much prefer baby to arrive any time now :-), thanks for asking.
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