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Two Men, One Mountain

Pretty simple now, innit?

Denis Menchov handily dispatched his two closest rivals today. He broke Levi Leipheimer on the lower slopes of Monte Petrino, ending the American's hopes of winning a grand tour, possibly forever. We will see; Leipheimer is forever a serious candidate but who struggles to find his best form at the right time. Today it was the heat. It's unlucky, but that's cycling.

That done, Menchov next set about ending the hopes of Danilo Di Luca. Il Killer himself and the Italian press will point to the narrow 43 second gap between the two protagonists and protest that anything can happen. But as the race draws closer and closer to Rome, it shifts more and more into Menchov's hands and away from Di Luca's. Yes, a sudden catastrophe or massive meltdown can do in Menchov, but why should that happen on the Block Haus or Vesuvio, if it didn't happen today? And if Di Luca, who finishes climbs well but doesn't always hang on with the mountain goats, couldn't steal some bonus seconds today, how will he manage to do so on the Block Haus? How will he pull comfortably ahead of Menchov to hold him off in the final time trial? It can happen, but in all likelihood that window is closing, not opening. Il Killer may nab a bonus on stage 20, ending in a short climb, but this only underscores his weakness against Menchov, the idea that he must look under these nondescript rocks for opportunity.

The only remaining threat to Menchov's third grand tour title is Carlos Sastre. The maillot jaune parlayed his signature double-acceleration to soften and then break his pursuers, bagging a half-minute and a time bonus for his efforts. Somewhere Sastre must find at least 150 seconds, perhaps more, to seize the lead by enough of a margin to offset Menchov's advantage in the time trial. That isn't especially likely on Vesuvio, a hard enough climb but not deadly, and coming after a gorgeous promenade rather than a succession of leg-softening climbs. If anyplace, if there is a stretch of road where Carlos Sastre can undo all the great work Denis Menchov has accomplished over the last 17 days, it can only be the Block Haus, or what's left of it.

I know there are numerous variables, but assuming everyone stays upright, Denis Menchov almost can't lose. Carlos Sastre has a slim chance of ripping that maglia rosa off his back, in one more massive attack, just as he did last July. But the odds are longer now and the foe as formidable as any.

Does anyone see any other scenario other than the usual dangers of crashes and illness?

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looking strong for sure. And I have a hard time seeing him giving up that much time to Sastre. Carlos doesn’t have the same cards (a pair of Schlecks) he had on the Alpe last year. But they still have to race the stages; we’ll see what happens.

"The road is our agony, but also our daily bread; and at night, when it is deserted and the moon glistens on the asphalt, the ridiculous dreams of racers like us pass up and down it."

--Dino Buzzati

by nrs5000 on May 26, 2009 1:23 AM EDT reply actions  

The only X factor I can find

is the weirdness of the Blockhaus stage. What is this? The morning stage of the Jens! Invitational?

It’s a strange kind of stage that riders aren’t used to and it comes after a rest-day. The only hope for Sastre and Son of Santu is that Menchov has a hard time coping with one or both of those factors. It’s seems unlikely though especially given that he is clearly on superior form.

by Jens on May 26, 2009 1:50 AM EDT reply actions  

I think it was Cunego

who said something about that stage, that usually the riders gets an hour or two to get their legs going before difficulties begin. But not tomorrow. Maybe a warm up spin before the race does the trick.

Bork, bork, bork!

by TheFigurehead on May 26, 2009 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Si

The riders who want to win here will either be killing it on the trainer in their hotel rooms before the stage or going out for a ride in the early morning. The stage isn’t long enough to warm up on the road during the stage, really.

by Jen See on May 26, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...There are not a lot of other options are there?

UHmmmm….Lessee….Maybe DiLuca will become particularly inspired and put down a serious attack on Vesuvius given that its in his region, maybe Sastre Candil will go for an all out sprint on the Block, but, Jeez Menchov has looked so effortlessly strong that it would take a minimeltdown for him to lose now….

UNLESS! they take advantage of his (relatively) weak team- That said, TenDam and Ardila, did heroic work yesterday- Isolate Menchov- maybe on Vesuvius- and have Sastre, maybe Basso and Di Luca force him to respond to multiple attacks- one right after the other…BANG-BANG-BANG, winner takes time and the stage, cracks Menchov, and everybody benefits….I mean it seems to be at that stage now, where deals have to be struck, and palavers had in the team cars….

(BTW seeing how hard it is for one team to defend pink for a week- Seen any LPR cats lately? Didn’t think so…Another Chapeau to the classic Bruyneel strategy of letting another team rent the jersey for a while then reclaim in last week…)

Di Luca tried hard yesterday and could not break the Russian, Basso’s legs are CLEARLY not ready for prime time, and Sastre after digging waaaaaay deep could only get 30 sec on Petrano…Menchov is too strong for one man alone to crack him, this will take a concerted effort by multiple teams, IF they can sort out the communication…

Thoughts?

by Doctornurse on May 26, 2009 2:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Multiple attacking could do it

but it seemed like DDL at least was prepared to do Menchovs work yesterday to maintain his own GC position. Sastre similarly might want to be conservative to get the “podium in all GT’s”-title.

Mainly I just think there is too little road left to create big enough gaps, regardless.

by Jens on May 26, 2009 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plus, Basso was moaning on Sunday that nobody would help him

and all the buddies in the pack chased him down. Maybe he’s just whining but perhaps he really isn’t a position to create alliances…who knows?!

Adrenalina Italiana!

by Albertina on May 26, 2009 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ten Dam didn't do much yesterday.. Sitting in front of Menchov waiting for the last mountain.. Didn't work thought... They were flying up that mountain and Ten Dam was nowhere to be seen..

Guys who worked where
Before the mountains: Stamsnijder, van Emden and de Groot
First Vesuvio: Kozontschuk
Downhill: Tjallingi
Second Vesuvio: Ardilla
Downhill: Ardilla
Third Vesuvio: Di Luca

Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..

by Frinking on May 26, 2009 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vesuvio has to be that other climb

Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..

by Frinking on May 26, 2009 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vesuvio

Was not in the stage yesterday. You’ll have to wait a few days to see that vulcano.

"Non-cyclists. The emptiness of those lives shocks me." Tim Krabbé

by Lopex on May 26, 2009 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't Vesuvio a pizza?

Yes it is. And speaking of food, the San Marzano tomatoes comes from the area.

Bork, bork, bork!

by TheFigurehead on May 26, 2009 4:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's undoable...

Just unlikely. Hard to tell how much anyone has left in the tank… after all, Levi looked pretty solid until he cracked. Sastre could still be getting stronger, and diLuca has outperformed expectations all the way.

Menchov is odds-on to win… but he’s not a lock.

by tgartner on May 26, 2009 5:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Not really

he was getting gapped on the 2km climb the day before as well. The sunlight was shinning through the chinks in his armour before yesterday for sure.

"Never swing a small stick. " Andy Hampsten

by Hons on May 26, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

LL that is

"Never swing a small stick. " Andy Hampsten

by Hons on May 26, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's Menchov's to lose

but I don’t think it requires a “massive meltdown” for him to lose 39 seconds on Di Luca, particularly if Di Luca picks up some bonus seconds along the way. Any sort of bad day on Block Haus or Vesuvius could do it

by William H on May 26, 2009 5:37 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

although I think DDL needs a bit more. Menchov can probably rip some seconds off him in Rome if he needs to (even if it’s a short TT).

by Jens on May 26, 2009 5:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

But then Di Luca needs more time

To stay in front of Menchov in the Milan ITT

"Non-cyclists. The emptiness of those lives shocks me." Tim Krabbé

by Lopex on May 26, 2009 5:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lol

Now that would be awkward wouldn’t it?

"Non-cyclists. The emptiness of those lives shocks me." Tim Krabbé

by Lopex on May 26, 2009 6:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol buy hey... Why do you think his name is The Killer?

Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..

by Frinking on May 26, 2009 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, granted, it s possible that DiLuca can pick up some seconds here and there..

But has Menchov given any indication that it is PROBABLE? I mean, he has defended every single attack thet DDL and Basso can throw at him, and he has not shown any signs of cracking a smile, much less his legs…

Please note that he OUTSPRINTED DiLuca yesterday to get 2nd on the stage- Something he has done quite a few times I think…The guy’s responses have been too crisp and too immediate for his rivals to count on a “bad day” in the next 4 days or so- After all he is not Leipheimer or anything (okay, THAT was unecessary!). He is tactically astute, uses his team to their maximim and individually strong- Tough to beat..

I just think that the way forward is clear-especially after the rest day. A combinataion of riders and teams must work together- First to work a relay to LAUNCH themselves up the Block as quickly as possible to slash seconds or at least to make Menchov work to bring them back (You pick’em: Sastre/Garzelli/Basso/DiLuca/Cunego- all motivated and all invested in gaining time for different reasons).

Then a slightly different combination of riders launch a series save an absolutely monumental, sustained, high quality and substantial attack on the Volcano (Probably better for the volcano) by MULTIPLE contenders to (a) isolate and then (b) crack Menchov….

Or not! And then he will enjoy the pink bike in Rome that Giant is painting for him…

(but then again, its much easier to say this from my chair in Switzerland!)

by Doctornurse on May 26, 2009 6:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he's only going to follow DiLuca though, so having everyone else attack does nothing

Sastre will attack from the bottom. DiLuca will just have to sit on Menchov’s wheel instead of helping him, and then attack once he feels Menchov is slowing

by d rod on May 26, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ten Dam

Gave a mini-interview on the Rabobank site. As expected moral is very high within the Rabo team now. They put in a brilliant performance yesterday and got a lot of respect from within the peloton for that. Ten Dam recounts how he told Armstrong how his pull on the Sestriere had hurt him. In yesterday’s stage Armstrong came up to Ten Dam to return the compliment.

Ten Dam fears the ride the day after Blockhaus more than the Blockhaus stage itself. With a climb directly after the start, a strong breakaway with threats to the GC, could really give Rabo a lot of trouble.

"Non-cyclists. The emptiness of those lives shocks me." Tim Krabbé

by Lopex on May 26, 2009 6:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Ten Dam is probably right.

Because Menchov wlll beat anybody but Leipheimer on the Rome TT, one has to add 15-30 seconds onto the the time gaps of the other riders. So in reality, DiLuca is closer to a minute behind Menchov, Sastre more like 2:30 behind, etc. Plus of course the ending TT makes this Giro effectively only 20 stages, not 21. Just four stages to go for anyone to make up their disadvantage so they can send the race into overtime, the Rome TT.

Then take into account that Menchov is climbing well then you see that probably waiting for the last climb of a day will not create enough of a gap on Denny to beat him. He has to be attacked earlier.

That leaves probably Stage 18, where a group of riders has to come out of the gate flying up and maybe moreso downhill and ride their advantage thru to the end. Given that t this point in the race that Rabobank won’t be given any help until maybe the very end of the stage, it’s possible that strategy might work. Possible but not probable. It all depends though on who is on the break.

by ursula on May 26, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's gonna take a team at this point

and that is unlikely. I don’t see anyone beating Mench after yesterday.

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on May 26, 2009 8:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Lance wins!

Released from his domestique duties, and coming out of nowhere, LA takes the Blockhaus stage and decimates the field in the final TT. A statue goes up in the Roman Forum.

by pigilito on May 26, 2009 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

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