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Giro Stage 19 Preview: Avellino - Vesuvio

Giro09-main_medium Stage 19 :: Friday May 29, 2009
164km :: Avellino - Vesuvio

Stage 19.  I have thought of this stage as the defining stage of the 2009 Giro ever since it was announced.  I had no idea if it would be pivotal, although now the potential certainly exists (although perhaps in the abstract.)  It encompasses though, the more romantic nature of a Grand Tour for me, the reason I love the Tour of California; it's the opportunity to show the world the most beautiful aspects of your land by having a rolling parade and helicopter money shots the entire time.  This stage, will provide that in bushels. 

If you've never seen the Amalfi coast before, you must watch this stage.  If you have an appreciation for ancient history, you must watch this stage.  If you love watching cyclists suffer on horrific gradients in an attempt at immortality, you must watch this stage.  The history, the culture, the beauty and the grandeur of Italy are all wrapped up in this one.

I love you, Stage 19.  My love for you is like a truck.  Let me take you to the movies, let me take you to the show.  I want to take you out after work and build snowmen in the dark with you, that's how much I love you.  I'm so enamored with you, that last night, I hauled out the ol' video editing software and relearned how to make video flyovers.  While I still highly recommend reading Gavia's Stage 19 Preview at Steephill.tv, I'll dispense with my usual quips, barbs, prattle and thumbnails, and go straight to the video.

Girbecco says: I bet Podium Cafe member plinytheelder is a little apprehensive about this stage :)

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Oh very nice Dan. Nice musical choice too.

But couldn’t you have made Vesuvio erupt at the end? ;-)

Adrenalina Italiana!

by Albertina on May 28, 2009 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

The Cafe has a limited video production budget...

… it does not extend to custom development of particle fountains in Google Earth. However, I’m sure that given enough time, Gavia, her crayons and I could probably come up with something.

Somehow, I had a feeling you’d appreciate the Holst :)

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by crashdan on May 28, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

I think my drawing skills can probably manage a volcano. Lots of orange and yellow flames, right?

Easy ;-)

by Jen See on May 28, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pfft, we don't want any old eruption

we want thousands of mini pink Girbeccos to come bursting out and running down the slopes of Vesuvio.

by Monty. on May 28, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sadly, I have lost my pink crayon.

So I’m afraid pink Girbeccos will not be possible.

Would you like to try again?

by Jen See on May 28, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

One bummer

looking at the profile in the preview you linked (ie, Gavia’s), it appears that the broadcast won’t start until they get to Sorrento. Thus, no Amalfi coast on TV…

by Le Comte on May 28, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Are you looking at the TV symbol?

That means Traguardo Volante – intermediate sprint.

by Jen See on May 28, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah

thanks for the clarification

by Le Comte on May 28, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

So confusing, these classifications.

Really, are they all necessary?!

Adrenalina Italiana!

by Albertina on May 28, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Well, most races do have intermediate sprints ;-)

It’s just that the Italian abbreviation looks a little too much like television. It took me several days to crack the code. Irritating, really.

by Jen See on May 28, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's the other ones that worry me.

Azzuri d’Italia??
And how do they judge the Fair Play Classification?!

Adrenalina Italiana!

by Albertina on May 29, 2009 4:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fair play is not judged but counted

Not sure about the details, but it involves the penalty points and/or seconds riders get during the race (like for hanging on to the team car).

Is Azzuri d’Italia just the best (young?) Italian rider?

by tedvdw on May 29, 2009 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ancient history and Vesuvio

Unfortunately it was a bit cloudy that day. And it was d*mn hot.

(click on the pic for a bigger version)

Bork, bork, bork!

by TheFigurehead on May 28, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

In case you were wondering...

“Ercolano” is Italian for “Herculaneum”. I wanted to do a zoom in on the ruins there, but the satellite hasn’t taken hi-res imagery of that location.

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by crashdan on May 28, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know I shouldnt ask but

are they stopping for coffee in Positano?

by Jens on May 28, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

i love that part

Of course an espresso along the way is mandatory.

by Veloki on May 28, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too Soon!

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by crashdan on May 28, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but \o/ must have been off the front gesticulating wildly

Note the absence of arms overhead in this bunch.

Thinking hard - really hard - of something witty to say....

by Cyclingrush on May 28, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The new

mushroom cloud graphic?

"The road is our agony, but also our daily bread; and at night, when it is deserted and the moon glistens on the asphalt, the ridiculous dreams of racers like us pass up and down it."

--Dino Buzzati

by nrs5000 on May 28, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will not tolerate any *Lotto jokes today

after having read the CycleSport piece where Robbie McEwen describes his greatest victories. The tale of Stage 13 in 2005 when the Davitamon riders collectively decide to overcome fatigue and pull back the break to give McEwen a shot at winning is so cool it almost makes you a *lotto fan for life.

by Jens on May 28, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

A few thoughts

This is the stage where Italia puts the smackdown on the rest of Europe. You want to use sports as a showcase? We’ve got a showcase for you… Unbelievable. As delicious as the prospect of covering this terrain on bikes may seem, I would be glad to walk it. Or crawl. Whatever.

Oh, and that video… what cheezy volcano disaster movie is the music from? No worries though, that’s an awfully new-looking cone, so if the Giro wants to raise the possibility that the riders will be battling more than just a dormant environment, it’s not that far-fetched.

Damn… what am I doing in Seattle today?!?

Abruzziamo!

by Chris Fontecchio on May 28, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

last eruption was 1944 ;-)

pretty much yesterday in geological time. or, even this morning.

by Jen See on May 28, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh you are just daring the ToC...

to do Lassen, then Crater lake, Timberline, and Mt St Helens.

by ursula on May 28, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well... Lassen...

The rest aren’t California, but I certainly wouldn’t mind seeing a stage to Mt. Lassen…

Or let’s see the peloton put on their big boy pants and ride up Mt. Shasta :)

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by crashdan on May 28, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or Castle Crags by Dunsmuir...

… or the Trinity Alps…
… or Yosemite…
… or Sequoia National Monument…

My absolute DREAM stage… ITT from Three Rivers to the General Sherman Sequoia parking lot in Sequoia National Park… that would make a 39.7km stage, starting at an elevation of 800’ (243m) and ending at 6625’ (2019m), for an elevation gain of 5825’ (1775m).

Here’s a rough profile of that imaginary stage…

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by crashdan on May 28, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best Ride I've Ever done

Mt Shasta is just awesome

"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!

by jsallee00 on May 28, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you get clear skies?

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by crashdan on May 28, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

It was in late July, the T-Storms were elsewhere. It was about 95 in town and mid 70s up top. Lot’s of great routes in that area, but the Shasta climb was really amazing.

"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!

by jsallee00 on May 28, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

PS:

Jens! said “veal” not “wheel”. I think he was talking about his night job as a Michelin rated chef.

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by crashdan on May 28, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Rode Lassen

this past October, and it seems taylor made for a stage. Nice mild, alpine style gradient, silky smooth, wide roads, cool geothermal action on the side of the road, and spectacular vistas.
Only problem is that it’s pretty far from anywhere else of note in CA.

I would be fine with a Mt Diablo mountain top finish.

Flahutes: Harden the F--k Up!

by bobgade on May 28, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just thinking about that on Saturday

Logistically it seems hard to get all the stuff to the top, and having to deal with the NPS bureaucracy might be hard, but I’d love to see people fighting up that last bit before the top.

"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!

by jsallee00 on May 28, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cheezy Volcano Disaster Movie Soundtrack!???!?

Ok… deep breath Dan… deep breath.

That, dear Chris, is “Mars the Bringer of War” from Gustav Holst’s suite “The Planets” Op. 32 composed between 1914 and 1916. That piece of music has been ripped off or used directly for everything from “Gladiator” (listen to the music used for that opening battle against the Germanic tribes) to “The Right Stuff” (the launch of Glenn’s Atlas rocket) to every piece of hack crap that John Williams has cobbled together that wasn’t ripped off from Stravinsky’s “The Rites of Spring”. The “Jupiter, Bringer of Jollity” movement has been most recently used by Reese’s Peanut Butter Cup advertisements.

It is one of those seminal pieces of music that modern composers just steal from shamelessly over and over and over again. While Holst was dissappointed that this one suite overshadowed the rest of his body of work, I can only hope that, at some point in my life, I will perform some act that is even worth sitting in the shadows of this piece.

So… there. You are now appropriately chastened. Buy this now, and listen to track one while starting to reach a struggling point during your next workout.

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by crashdan on May 28, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

To clarify

I said that the movies with which said music is associated are where you can locate the cheeze. I am completely, utterly, 100% agnostic on every form of classical music, save for classical hip-hop (e.g., Grandmaster Flash, Sugar Hill Gang, etc.).

Abruzziamo!

by Chris Fontecchio on May 28, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah... try to cover your tracks now... go ahead...

Girbecco says: Batts!

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by crashdan on May 28, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sitting in the shadows of the piece?

You don’t need to perform any great act to go to a concert! For the record, I’m done the Planets at the Proms….twice ;-)

Adrenalina Italiana!

by Albertina on May 28, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I meant to say... is that...

… I hope to accomplish something that is worthy of at least standing in the shadow of this composition, figuratively speaking. And I figured you’d performed it :)

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by crashdan on May 28, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was clueless till now

Hail PdC, bringer of enlightenment. If I ever get to name a star it will be called PdC.

by sminer on May 28, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

HA!

Apprehensive indeed, I guess I’ll be one of the few to be happy I’m on this side of the Atlantic tomorrow! ;)

by plinytheelder on May 28, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I have a very, very good feeling

about the Killer tomorrow.

I know how much he wants this race, and to get that, he needs this stage.

Stay tuned people. Possibly some blood running down the volcano tomorrow.

VAI KILLER!

FORZA KILLER!

by DaniloTifoso on May 28, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Can someone

compile Danilo Tifoso’s stage predictions? I am sensing a pattern here… :)

Abruzziamo!

by Chris Fontecchio on May 28, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Killer

Unfortunately I don’t have a good feeling about Killer tomorrow. I just think the same thing that happened on Blockhaus is going to happen tomorrow with Menchov staying on his wheel the whole time, with Killer expending countless amounts of energy with no results.

But then again who knows so guess we will wait and see tomorrow.

I just want to see LA in the group with Menchov, Killer, Garzelli, and Basso heading up to the summit. That would make for some great watching!

by ncmussell on May 28, 2009 4:30 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

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by crashdan on May 28, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Menchov is superior tomorrow..

Di Luca has to have a weak today.. Tomorrow is the perfect stage to do that

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Franzoi wins Parijs-Roubaix and I win a date with the VDS of Team Txirrindulariak..

by Frinking on May 28, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dan, how do you draw the routes in GEarth; by hand?

I’ve done a few myself and as far as I know the only way to do it in the free version of GEarth is by hand. It’s a bitch. I wish there was an option for the route to snap to roads.

by tedvdw on May 28, 2009 4:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Actually, the problem I run into is that it snaps to the roads, but the fastest roads possible...

… which is usually the Autostrada which the Giro doesn’t ride on. Try this, in Google search for “Milan, Italy”, then create a place mark there… then search for “Genoa, Italy” and create a place mark there. Then right click on Milan and select “Directions from here” and right click on Genoa and select “Directions to here” and it should create a driving route for you.

For simulating race routes like this, I usually have to wind up dropping a bajillion little waypoints in the podunk towns along the way to force the mapping engine to take the side roads. then you map from point a to a1 then a1 to a2, then a2 to a3 then a3 to b.

Another little trick is that when it creates the route, it generates all the little “turn here, pause here, turn here” placemarkers in the routing. If you scroll through all of those, down at the bottom, is the actual purple line it creates, which is what I drag and drop into the stage I’m mapping and just delete all that other crap.

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by crashdan on May 28, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh right, you're starting from actual routes (directions)

When I tried it, I found that even more awkward than drawing by hand. I was drawing my training rounds of mostly small roads (and not 250 km long …).

by tedvdw on May 28, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Possible Scenarios

Killer -
Nobody will let him get away on an attack by himself. Only scenario would be if he won a sprint of about three or four guys at the line.

Menchov -
same as killer except he might not go for the sprint at the line since he really doesn’t need it, unless it is in beating Killer.

Basso -
probably couldn’t escape without Menchov or Killer because of his proximity to the top. I don’t see a stage win for him since he has absolutely zero kick at the end.

Pellizotti -
same as above although he could win a sprint at finish.

Garzelli -
could probably escape considering he isn’t a threat.

Levi -
would love to see him give a really valiant effort on the climb and try to attack. Don’t think it will happen but you never know. Even if he does attack I don’t think he can drop Killer or Menchov who would probably cling on.

Lance -
Has the potential for a solo break since he is not in contention. Doubt he will do it, but going after Pellizotti on Blockhaus might have been an indication.

Sastre -
I think he gave it his big go for the Tour, so not really expecting him to attack.

Lots more possibilities but that is just a few.

by ncmussell on May 28, 2009 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

A little Astana-hatin'

or reality check.

LL in VN says he’s just hanging on at this point. Basically says he’s fried. Could be sandbagging, but sounds about right.

I don’t think we were watching the same Armstrong at Blockhaus. The one I saw TRIED to bridge to Jen Grey and didn’t make it. And then he got shelled by the heads-of-state group. He’s just not as fast. Part of that has to do with trying to recover from his first broken collar-bone (the old Armstrong would have been out of the saddle a lot more). There are lots of other reasons besides that for his being slower.

Whatever they are, I just don’t see him getting away solo (not without wads of Kash-is-king having been paid out beforehand) tomorrow.

by R Mc on May 28, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

LA

I agree this is not the same LA as before. I was just wondering if he could put in an attack ala Sastre at Petrano and Pellizotti at Blockhaus.

by ncmussell on May 28, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Recent injury + 3 years off the bike.

I don’t think the pre-retirement LA is going to show up this year at all. If he gets that kind of form back, I’d bet it takes until next year to really have that condition.

by Ed K on May 28, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

IMHO (prediction time)

This doesn’t look like a very strategic stage. Only one major climb, up a pretty steady (leg-breaking) grade. LIQ are the only team with multiple podium contenders. They could try something with Basso and see if it causes havoc. But I’ll guess that we will see nothing but cautious marking, followed by a mass-start time trial up the Vesuvio. Strongest guy wins. No idea who that’ll be, but given my cursing ability I’ll call it Menchov. To make it interesting.

Abruzziamo!

by Chris Fontecchio on May 28, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice stuff

I am very impressed. Even more so for avoiding the obvious Wagnerian accompaniment

by Monty. on May 28, 2009 4:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Wagner?

I am so out of here before Dan gets back and reads this…

Abruzziamo!

by Chris Fontecchio on May 28, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

and with that note...

… Chribecco clopped away on his freakish cloven hooves.

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by crashdan on May 28, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

while

flexing his guns for the tifose…

Abruzziamo!

by Chris Fontecchio on May 28, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Giro cannot end soon enough...

… so as to replace your avatar.

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by crashdan on May 28, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well... Wagner, not so much... I mean I was trying to go with the whole Italian theme...

… hence using a piece of music written for the astrological symbol associated with a Roman God. I also thought of using maybe something from Ben Hur, like the “Toil of the Galley Slaves” or “Parade of the Charioteers”, but I heard Mars in my head the first time I read the course description and I thought Parade of the Charioteers more appropriate for a fly over of the Rome stage (it being written for the Circus Maximus after all).

Then there was the thought of using anything written by Respighi, but, again, Mars was in my head.

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by crashdan on May 28, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Music to go to Hell to?

Gojira? Originally written to accompany a reissue of Italian silent Maciste goes to Hell (this version has a rather twee-er (twee-er? ooer) accompaniment)

by Monty. on May 28, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or the Anvil Chorus from Il Trovatore...

Not the “Gypsy Chorus” from La Traviata as I originally posted, then deleted. Seriously, how many Operas about Gypsies can one Italian write?

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by crashdan on May 28, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

And of course

tomorrow is the first day that I can’t watch the Giro. Fortunately I’ve convinced my girlfriend that this stage will be beautiful to watch, so we will be catching it on demand tomorrow afternoon.

On a related note…how does one access uni on demand without getting all the spoilers?

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by Hons on May 28, 2009 5:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Soonish

41 minutes left

Bork, bork, bork!

by TheFigurehead on May 28, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

show off

"Never swing a small stick. " Andy Hampsten

by Hons on May 28, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our chief executive should be shot.

He’s scheduled a staff meeting for 4pm. Excuse me while I go and cry.

Adrenalina Italiana!

by Albertina on May 28, 2009 6:45 PM EDT reply actions  

yowsa, that vid was fabulous Dan!!!

I’m thinking about buying that ES player, it’s said to be showing the stages from start to finish, 5 euros per month, pretty cheap compared to CTV.

by Bruce Suomi on May 28, 2009 6:59 PM EDT reply actions  

ES player doesn't have the entire stages

What it does do however is start the Giro feed at the announced time regardless if there is a tennismatch or whatever delaying the TV transmission. The stream is excellent quality too. Strangely there is no buffering,popupwindows, multiple logins or ads that interfere with the streamquality. It’s really weird.

by Jens on May 29, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

You may not get the full stage Jens

but Santa Bruce does.

In Chauncey we trust!

by Phil H. on May 29, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I forgot

Damn elves and their preferential treatment.

by Jens on May 29, 2009 4:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

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