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Is Armstrong Buying Team Astana?

A number of you guys have already seen the CN note which has Lance Armstrong getting into team ownership and management, pretty much ASAP, while he's still a racing cyclist. You probably also saw the post below and assorted comments to the effect that Astana appear to be on their way out as a sponsor, sometime between yesterday and later this summer. So the speculation begins. Maybe the two stories are unrelated, but Lance and Bruyneel are so intertwined that the idea of Lance passing up the chance to take over this rather excellent pro tour squad seems absurd.

Team Astana is a Luxembourg company, officially, located in Petange. It's not clear from any of their communications who the owners are. Obviously Tailwind Sports disbanded when Discovery did, but I wouldn't be shocked if Bruyneel were part of the ownership group, along with some people from the title sponsor and/or government of Kazakhstan. Presumably anyone from the latter would want to sell if Astana is no longer the title sponsor. So if the team is getting gutted, and Lance were buying his way into cycling with a major team on which he plans to ride, he would have the chance (obligation?) to buy in as a team owner.

From there he would need to find title sponsors. I suppose "Livestrong" could be one, but I doubt it. He is connected, so there are numerous companies we could speculate on, but for now it's just that. Best guesses are a big American company; something related to cancer research is possible, though I can't think of why such an entity would benefit from flashing its name around. And the drug-makers... the imaging is too complicated, methinks.

Anyway, I don't want to start another referendum on Lance: good guy or no? I do think it'd be quite interesting to see an active racer/team owner. I doubt this is the first, but I couldn't tell you when the last time was that an active racer owned his own team. Surely it's been a while.

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quick question,

doesn’t David Millar own a stake in Garmin-Chipotle? Not majority owner, for sure…but I wonder how common something like this is. Probably not very I imagine.

by plinytheelder on May 4, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

Does Hincapie have a stake in Columbia? That would explain why they kept waiting for him in Paris-Roubaix.

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by Chris... on May 4, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hehe

I don’t know, but I do know that Hincapie jeans are the official jeans of the team. No joke. Check it out!

by plinytheelder on May 4, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, it was just too embarrassing

when Cav showed up in that Versus video wearing Rock & Republic.

You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold

by majope on May 4, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no memory of posting that

these are not the droids you’re looking for

More Muur...

by Jimbo... on May 4, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And speaking of Rock

they now have another National Champ on their roster after Santiago Botero won the time trial. Will they be able to afford another design?

by Monty. on May 4, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to the NY Times

Bruyneel’s holding company owns Astana. I’ll see if I can dig anything else up on that.

You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold

by majope on May 4, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Joe Lindsey's article from last September, speculating on Lance's comeback team
The cycling team known as Astana is really Olympus Sarl, a holding company based in Luxembourg that is wholly owned by Johan Bruyneel. Bruyneel holds the UCI racing license for the team. His company employs the staff and directors. He owns the team busses and cars, signs the sponsor agreements for equipment and cash and has full operational control over the entire apparatus. Most crucially, when riders sign contracts, they do so with Bruyneel and Olympus, not the Kazakh sponsors. The smart money says get ready for something like Team Livestrong, presented by Nike.

Boulder Report

So if the Kazakh sponsors bail, it’s still Bruyneel’s team.

You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold

by majope on May 4, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

interesting

though re: “presented by Nike,” didn’t someone post here recently that Nike had stopped making cycling-related (or at least racing-related) apparel? I’m sure they could get it going again within a matter of seconds, that’s not really an issue – still, funny what this would say…

by plinytheelder on May 4, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I just looked on their site. They have a section for the livestrong line, and yet not a single biking-related product. Creepy…

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by Chris... on May 4, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nike doesn't sponsor teams.

Just want to put that out there again. There will be no "presented by Nike" part of any new team.

by ursula on May 4, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For what it's worth, Nike is one of Astana's sponsors.

But the point of quoting Lindsey wasn’t to imply that Nike would become a title sponsor if the Kazakhs pull out, just that there had been previous speculation that Bruyneel could get other sponsorship if he wants because he seems to own the team.

You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold

by majope on May 4, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, they're listed among the sponsors on Astana's website.

Here’s a list from Wikipedia of the individuals, teams, and events Nike sponsors—no idea how complete or up to date it is.

You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold

by majope on May 4, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

I suppose the distinction some are making is between throwing money versus throwing product at teams. Nike definitely throws product at a lot of teams, and Astana is among them. I’m not sure if they are a cash sponsor, though.

by gavia on May 4, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's it.

Gav, you have it written clearly.

by ursula on May 4, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ouch

it must hurt to have Nike throwing shoes at you, money seems much nicer. ;)

by Katiek on May 4, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But they don't sponsor teams beyond the usual apparel stuff.

In other words we won’t be seeing Team Nike or Team so-and-so presented by Nike or anything with Nike in the team name. They don’t do that level of sponsorship.

by ursula on May 4, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds good to me!

I know I am. Tired that is. Of seeing that ad.

But the obvious choice is Team Lo Pan.

by ursula on May 4, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's just branded stuff

Looks like the bibs are Giordano. Says the jerseys are made out of Nike supersomething material, but also made in Italy (also outsourced to Giordano?). Aside from what Will linked above, there’s no Nike cycling line.

by Sui Juris on May 4, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nike contracts Giordana

to make a lot of the team wear, (and pays handsomely). And DMT for the shoes that Lance, Levi and others wear.
Mavic always designed and had made the shoes and clothing, and sold them under a license from Adidas.
The Nike situation was quite similar. Trek designed, had made and sold all the “Nike” cycling related stuff. Lance retired and those license fees started to be too much, so they swapped labels and all that junk became Bontrager!? Lance then screws them by coming out of retirement just as Trek has dropped the Nike license. Mr Big is back but there isn’t any product to sell the Nike-starved cycling public even though several riders continue to promote Nike.

by MavicMoto on May 5, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are correct

David Millar does have a stake in Garmin.

by cyclingdiva on May 4, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and to add to that

Doug Ellis is majority owner of Garmin.

by cyclingdiva on May 4, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

For the record

I don’t believe for a second that this is going to happen. Lance is interested in riding and winning, I don’t think he has any ambitions to work in the background after he re-retires.

by Jens on May 4, 2009 2:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Joke aside

I really don’t have any feelings either way in this case. LA running a team could be good or bad, I have no idea. I simply don’t think he’s interested .

by Jens on May 4, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I agree with you.

It will be interesting to see how this turns out (“this” being the whole Astana running out of money- or not- thing and what then happens to the riders) but other than that… it’s all academic to me.

by ursula on May 4, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

because I would have thought that that is his future. No matter what I read abou thim having political ambitions, I don’t think he has a chance in hell of realising them. He blew them the night he copped off with the Olsen girl.

by Monty. on May 4, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LIVESTRONG / TWITTER

Ok, somebody mock up a kit for LIVESTRONG / TWITTER. ;)

-Greg

by gregm on May 4, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I see LA has blocked...

Cycling Weekly on Twitter because they questioned whether it was right that he participated in Gila. I guess that also means his black book has been reopened, and Cycling Weekly is back on the list (he took them off the list to give them this interview, which won the interviewer an award http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/Lance_Armstrong_exclusive_interview_article_273248.html).

LA hasn’t blocked Cycle Sport – apparently he’s unaware that the same people Tweet for both accounts….

So, the LIVESTRONG message is now no longer received by the UK’s best-selling cycling publication. Who wins?

https://twitter.com/KankiKnight

by oldsprinter on May 5, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Team USA

Couldn’t Obama / Congress just give Bruyneel $15M of the $700 Billion credit crunch hand out?

formerly known as cyclingchallenge

by Willj on May 4, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No

We reserve our socialism for the capitalists.

by Sui Juris on May 4, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For overseas work?

Don’t you read the papers? No, I can see some ARIA funds going to the 2010 Tour de Georgia though.

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by Chris... on May 4, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe it was TARP

who saved Philly week?

More Muur...

by Jimbo... on May 4, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My question is that if Armstrong buys the team,

does he immediately sell off the team’s most valuable rider? That would certainly cut the bottom line while clearing away any “who’s the boss” kind of questions.

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by Koppenberg on May 4, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Surprised they didn't do that last fall

The money problems date from late last Summer. You’d think they’d have taken the buy-out and run. Perhaps, idly speculating, Astana set the price too high, and the potential buyers walked.

by gavia on May 4, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The buy-out consortium

You mean that crackerjack group consisting of Bear Sterns, Chrysler and the leading banks of Iceland?

by ursula on May 4, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In fiscal reality

The Accountant’s contract and the UCI license are the main assets of the team. Bruyneel/Armstrong can only market the franchise based upon putting a title sponsor’s name on Contador’s chest in July for the next five years or so—-I doubt sponsors care very much about Levi or Popo. Armstrong’s association with the team means something while he’s riding, but not so much once he’s done.

If Armstrong ends up as the owner/sponsor and sells Bert, then the plan is to have the team fold in November at the latest.

by Softie on May 4, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hm

What if Levi wins the Giro? Probably helps more in the marketing department, even if he’s getting along in years.

CQRanking.com, you complete me.

by Chris... on May 4, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depends on where they are shopping for sponsors

LOL, if they want an Italian sponsor – or a co. that wants to sell in Italy – nothing could be better.

by gavia on May 4, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh man, I see it now, Lance Armstrong riding for the.....

Fightin Girbecco’s team!

In Chauncey we trust!

by Phil H. on May 4, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Girbecco says:

“I refuse to ride a Trek”

by plinytheelder on May 4, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

who says the team will ride Trek's?

yes, Girbecco is powerful enough to make Lance Armstrong switch bikes.

In Chauncey we trust!

by Phil H. on May 4, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Girbecco says:

Lance, here’s your new Lemond!

by plinytheelder on May 4, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

bahahahaha!

espresso meet keyboard.

grazie.

by gavia on May 4, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That Girbecco, so demanding

I suppose only a Pinarello will do. Probably wants it custom, too.

by gavia on May 4, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Girbecco says:

Blue is a nice color. Matching tires too. Make it happen!

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by Chris... on May 4, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

$1000 Swiss Francs for his head

$1100 if you send me his Pinarello also

More Muur...

by Jimbo... on May 4, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have business to discuss, Sir

"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!

by jsallee00 on May 4, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice try, but anyone can tell that is clearly a photochop of this photo on top of a picture of an Alcatraz cell. Price just went down to $950… Fucking amateurs…

More Muur...

by Jimbo... on May 4, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

jsallee00 -

Just send him the toe first as a teaser!

I love C, not because he rocks as a cyclist, but because deep down he's a band geek! LOL!

by nikki on May 4, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

as crazy as it seems

it’s really hard to find a toe on a stinking goat. I could send another toe, but Jimbo has already proven to be too clever to fall for my deception.

I need a plan B

"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!

by jsallee00 on May 5, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point

’specially since the prize money in July does not suck.

by gavia on May 4, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps

 the owner and the potential owner/partner are what one might see as idealistic, rather than realistic, and are differently motivated.

by Steno on May 5, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The sponsorship is obvious

Team Mellow Johny’s

Of course, that’ll totally screw them next year at the Gila, but one step at a time.

Learn more. Be better.

by Bikezilla on May 4, 2009 6:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This better not be more manufactured drama.

If not, I await to see if certain ASO people would somehow be connected to this team.

Mon coeur appartient à les forçats de la route.

by Josenka on May 4, 2009 6:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oakley

Everyone overlooks (pun sorta intended) Oakley, but they have been Armstrong’s longest-running and most tightly-involved sponsor.

Could cause some problems with Giro. . . .

I’d also include SRAM. Ya’ll catch Armstrong dropping the “I’m an investor in SRAM” line?

by R Mc on May 5, 2009 8:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You're right--strong, strong relationship with Oakley.

They’re the ones who got him coverage when Lance found out during treatment that he was uninsured.

You need to do this race two or three times before you can win, despite what Cunego showed us last year: winning in his first try--Frank Schleck, on Amstel Gold

by majope on May 5, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then there's the Vino aspect

It’s been touched on before but rumors have been consistently saying Vino was coming back to Astana after the Tour. Of course if Astana no longer exists…

by ursula on May 5, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lance Twitter

In a recent twitter Lance Posted this link…

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=4145429

and said…

the last line is news to me

So does that mean he is not forming his own team, or does it mean he is not having trouble finding a sponsor?

by adammoney on May 6, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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