Tour Rosters: Garmin
by Sui Juris on Jun 24, 2009 11:42 AM EDT
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PrintLooks like Garmin will be sending:
- Julian Dean
- Tyler Farrar
- Ryder Hesjedal
- Dan Martin
- David Millar
- Danny Pate
- Christian Vande Velde
- Bradley Wiggins
- David Zabriskie
What say you, Podium Cafe?
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Great stage hunting team
I seriously hope they don’t hype Vandevelde as The Great GC Hope cause if they do they’ll have egg on their faces. If not than this team could do like Columbia and hunt every stage. That would be fun.
FWIW
This is the JV quote from the release:
"We are bringing a diverse and versatile squad to the 2009 Tour de France," said Jonathan Vaughters, CEO of Slipstream Sports, LLC and Director Sportif, Team Garmin-Slipstream. "We had an incredible first Tour as a team last year and this year we hope for GC contention, possible stage wins and even the yellow jersey at some point."
So pretty much “We’ll take what we can get.”
Garmin won't hype CV,
But that doesn’t mean Phil and Paul won’t.
Jens Voigt doesn’t know where you live, but he knows exactly where you will die.
Oh what am I saying
Lance is in this race, there won’t be any airtime left over. Ignore previous comment.
Jens Voigt doesn’t know where you live, but he knows exactly where you will die.
This list sany to me stage hunting
Clearly, they aren’t confident that VDV can repeat last years performance.
Just spinning the pedals in the hills of Western Maryland
"says" not sany
Just spinning the pedals in the hills of Western Maryland
It also says
one of two things: either:
1. Tom Danielson, call your agent, asap; or
2. Tom Danielson, you’d best have the ride of your life in the Vuelta, or you’ll be leading a team in Fitchburg next year.
oh, how sweet, he didn't make the tdf team...
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Jun 24, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Make the call...
TD… Have your agent call Bruyneel! Johan and Lance brought out your best.
Really, he should go to the one team were he can't even be a top domestique?
Astana has about 8 guys who are more deserving to be in the Tour as mountain helpers than TD. If you think Danielson would be on Astana’s Tour team than you should look at Astana’s roster one more time.
Makes sense
I can’t see VdV being in good enough shape to really contend, on the other hand because of injury he will have no real pressure to perform and if he gets any kind of late form he could be top 10. Garmin has to start thinking like Columbia to me. Even if they aren’t winning, they better have people up there contesting everything. They have laid low so far this year, with a stage win here or there, but now is the time to lay it all out. If they win a stage or two in the Tour, then people will forget their early season.
I'd like to see Farrar beat Cav to the line a few times
And in general, I’d like them to not look as abysmal as they did in the Giro.
When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jun 24, 2009 12:10 PM EDT reply actions
the one time farrar did beat Cav to the line, Cav
admitted he made a mistake and went to early. I honestly dont believe that anybody in the world can go around cav in a normal sprint.
+1
i think the really good surprise this year could be Daniel. I’m not putting much hope in CVV, and about Tyler Farrar, it will be very difficult for him to win a stage. I don’t see him beating Cav, Freire, Hushovd/Haussler!! More probably Millar take a stage.
by semprenaroda on Jun 24, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I am sure i am alone
But I really think TD should have gotten the nod to go. I think he has ridden well enough to justify inclusion.
by australopithecine on Jun 24, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions
I agree
you are alone.
Seriously, I think he’s an above average domestique for CVV, but his exclusion tells me that JV is going more for stages than CVV’s bid for Yellow.
I am an island
I think he could hunt stages just as well as anyone else on that roster. If he could get himself to the base of a climb in decent position then he stands a really good chance. I am aware that he has struggled with getting there in good position though.
by australopithecine on Jun 24, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Choose 2 spots from 3 riders
I am guessing their were only two open spots on this roster that would be filled by either Dan Martin, Danny Pate, and TD. Martin gets in because he has shown more progress in the mountains lately and you have to at least give him a shot. Pate gets in because he is a potential breakaway stage hunter. Leaving TD on the outs.
Bizarre or hidden Argyle logic...
Hmm… While I am sad to see that TD will be excluded from the TdF I am even more confused as to why CVV is doing the race. While I do believe CVV to be a fighter there is no way he can be in shape to really contend so why not hold him back to have a strong Vuelta. Unless he is there to ride into shape and stage hunt. And while TD has turned into more of a Super Dom as of late maybe (at least my hope) the Argyle Armada will give him some support in the Vuelta. And while Martin has shown some talent TD has put in his time and earned a spot.
Dang . . . I was trying to stay out of this
but can some one (not from Lake Woebegone) please explain to me how “putting in time” = “earning a spot”?
Especially in the case of Tom Danielson.
The equation should be “meeting or exceeding goals” = “earning a spot”.
Whatever potential he has (or had) has been realized exactly twice in the professional peloton. Any other time that he has been counted on to deliver a result he has crumbled. List ANY exceptional results Tom Danielson has produced this year that merits his inclusion in Garmin’s team.
only somewhat smart assed
But you could replace “Tom Danielson” in your last sentence with any rider on Garmins roster (not named Tyler Farrar) and it’s still a valid statement.
"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!
agreed
None have done anything special. Granted we do not know what the specific goals that TD had to reach, but I think he is riding well. he seemed to be a great team worker at the Giro and could have replicated that role at the tour.
by australopithecine on Jun 24, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah,
None of the other riders have done anything either. Based on that I would look at experience and that’s where TD would get the spot. Danny Pate boggles my mind, Im pretty sure he and JV are friends and that is what has kept his dream alive. TD was coming into form and was right there with Ryder at the Tour of Suisse. Clearly they arent going for mountain or GC.
Dude. TD being right there with Ryder isn't a good thing
he should be well ahead of him on a climb, and should be in the front group on easy climbs like those featured in Suisse. Pate is a good stage hunter, almost won a stage last year and that’s why he’s on the team. I don’t think TD is going on stage hunts, no matter how far back on GC he is. I think Danielson isn’t on the team because A) he has done nothing worth noting since Febuary and B) JV wants him to ride in the Vuelta, because that seems to be his best GT, and he can’t do 3 in a year.
dude,
“JV wants him to ride in the Vuelta, because that seems to be his best GT, and he can’t do 3 in a year.” Kinda hard to prove since hes never ridden the TDF and has always used the Giro to build form.
I would argue he is coming into form right now where as Ryder had a heavy spring schedule. Not to mention Ryder was a supported leader in alot of the races this spring. If you want to base the decision on current form, then TD has more of a reason to be there than CVV.
You are only a good stage hunter if you actually win stages. Otherwise, your just a breakaway rider who never wins. Tommy D has actually won stages on the Pro tour.
First of all I don't think CVV should be there
but I wouldn’t deny the person who finished fourth the year before a chance to ride. Then saying you are only a good stage hunter if you win is non-sense. There are plenty of capable stage hunters who give it their all but come up short. It’s insulting to them to say they suck at what they do. Yeah Danielson has won….3 years ago and oh hey at the Vuelta. Would make sense to me to ride him there, and if you are going to say TD deserves a chance to ride because he won 3 years ago then I guess Contador should ride for Levi because 3 years ago he hadn’t won anything big yet.
that makes no sense dude.
CVV is cool, I dont mind that.
Isnt the idea to win races in this sport?
Your Berto comparison doesn’t apply, Berto has won more than levi . TD has WON races(outside the US), Pate has had 1 third place finish. whoopeee. Millar, Wiggy and DZ are more likely to take a stage on the flats than Pate and TD is more likely to take a stage in the mountains. Pate is JVs buddy and has been on the team for a while, thats why he gets a shot.
Right, Bert has won more in the last 3 years
especially this year and therefore deserves to lead. Danielson has not won in the last 3 years. So I’m saying that it really isn’t that relevant what Danielson accomplished 3 years ago, it’s about this year. Look, I don’t want to sound like I don’t want TD to succeed, because I sure as hell do, but do I think he deserves to be on the Tour team this year? No. Our opinion differ on that and it’s all good but I don’t feel like getting in a big argument over it. I think doing the Vuelta is better for him and I’m hoping he shows something good there.
thats cool..
I guess my argument is that Tommy D has proven that his upside is higher than most of his teammates based on his career results. For him its just a matter of being healthy (maybe he was doping, but he never tested positive). We all know he can be a head case and having a divorce and having pretty bad stomach problems isn’t going to put you on top form. I don’t know how he could ride if he really had Giardia (and other stomach problems last year) like he said. If he is truly healthy, I think he provides a better threat than most of the team when the road turns uphill. Whether that’s for a stage, polka, or GC.
Let's go back and look at that Vuelta stage win
TD survived from the early breakaway, and then was able to hang onto Vino’s wheel after Vino caught him. Observers at the time (including me) were convinced that Vino let Danielson have the stage.
hmmmm.
I didnt see it, but I do know Vino had already won a stage that year and he took over the GC lead on that stage (less incentive for the win). Did TD not pull for any of it? He probably did the same thing the Tom Peterson did with Levi this year at the TOC.
Martin?
I’m too lazy to dig in the database, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Martin already has more European victories than Danielson. If not, well, he will shortly. Martin is silly talented and I would have been very surprised to see him left off the team.
Vandevelde, well, if you have last year’s fourth place in gc, your bring him. Simple. Vandevelde gets the team press on the strength of last year’s results and will be mentioned repeatedly as a possible contender this year. If Vaughters leaves him off, he misses all that free publicity. I have no idea what kind of form Vandevelde will bring to the race, but it would be absurd to leave him off unless he really couldn’t ride.
Danielson has finished, what, two of the four grand tours he has started? Certainly, he hasn’t had a stellar career in Europe. It takes more than simply showing up to make the Tour team.
Interesting to say the least
I was under the impression that Millar was part owner of Slipstream.
by australopithecine on Jun 24, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
"Sutton revealed that he expects David Millar, Bradley Wiggins, Steve Cummings and Geraint Thomas to form the core of an initial 25-rider roster."
Does that mean no contracts are in place yet, I wonder?
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
I think the 'maybe I shouldn't have said that'...
…part = I want these guys, but who the hell knows if I can actually get them.
Sounds to me like more of the same talking out their ass about rosters that we’ve heard surrounding this team before.
You think Sky is a bunch of attention wh0res?
Would be the perfect image for a TV network sponsored team.
Wiggins going for the record!
of most pro teams in a career?
And just to clarify
This is indeed pure and utter bullshit.
Conspiracy Theorist
Mind you I am a TD Fan and would like to seem him do well, but is there anybody out there that thinks he stopped receiving his blood bags after Discovery closed shop?
by TwinCitiesCyclist on Jun 24, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions
Except...
TD was going uphill strong well before USPS/Discovery and he also had a strategic giant with Bruyneel at the wheel… So while interesting I would argue that team strategy in combination his genetics might be a more likely conclusion.
Honestly...
Danielson hasn’t done shit for the past two years except one week as a decent domestique for CVV in ToM last year. What the hell makes anyone think that earns him a spot on the Tour team?
He has been a colossal disappointment, not only because he’s failed to be the next big thing in American cycling, but frankly because he’s failed to do any better or even as well as a lot of Garmin’s second tier domestiques. I thought the hissie fit he threw last year was in poor taste, but if he utters one public peep about not going this year, I’d dump him as fast as possible if I were JV. It’s one thing to work hard and not quite succeed, but whining about the injustice of it all when you’re clearly not making the grade is just juvenile, corrosive to a team atmosphere, and generally not a sign that someone is going to start making the grade any time soon.
He's been sick with Giardia.
For the record, hes got more grand tour wins than CVV and one of the few that actually has won a stage going uphill. What has Ryder done to get on this team? Danny Pate hasn’t done jack? Im curious if Dan Martin has even got the legs to do a three weeker.
Again, Ryder and Danny are on the team because they are more capable stage hunters
Garmin has surely shifted their goal from high GC placing to getting as many stage wins(or any) as possible. They don’t have much of a need for Danieslon at this year’s Tour. When it comes to Martin, yeah he may not have the 3 week legs yet but the only way to get them is by riding and getting experience in GT’s. There is no more point in waiting to put him in GT’s because he has the potential to compete in GT’s very soon and needs the experience right now.
Simple, they actually get in breaks
honestly I don’t see TD getting in breaks on any of the break-away stages.
+1 We talked a lot about him last year, for sure,
and I’m sure you can do a search on him, if you want to read any of the posts.
In 2008, he took 10th in the Tour of Portugal, & 4th in the Tour of Great Britain. Won the Route du Sud. I especially remember him from the Tour of Ireland last year, ‘cause it was the first year Vesus broadcast it. I’m personally really, really pleased he made the team. I would love to see him do well, at 23 yrs old, oh, top 40 would be outstanding. Yay!
Hmm...
Let’s see… umm… nobody outside of the surprise performance to Farrar has done squat except for Martin’s 2nd at Catalunya and 3rd at the Tour de Med. Incidentally, when he was supported as team leader and when was the last time Danielson was supported as team leader? So when do we start looking at team management for the total lack of team success? Granted DZ, Millar, and VdV among others were hurt and are doing their best to battle back, but for that roster to do as poorly as they have is a total disappointment. When do you start supporting the riders that “can” do well vs. the guys that “should” do well? Maybe we should ask what JV has done this season and if he deserves to be on the roster?
We don't know individual riders year long goals though
Take CVV for example, I am sure his goal for the year was to do better than last year at TdF. So you can’t expect him to put up big results in the early season races because he is not trying to win. He won a stage at ToC which for not being on form and having crashed early was a pretty darn good result.
Millar was injured but is back now with high aspirations for stages in TdF. Zabriskie – who knows what his goals are other than to win TTs. Wiggins – same thing.
I do however agree about some of the younger guys may have dissapointed early in the year.
Dreams/"Goals" dont win races
JV has got this stupid fascination with all his young riders. Drives me nuts.
Folks . . .
check out the VN conversation with JV (look up your own link).
What I find really fascinating is that while Vaughters spends several sentences explaining why he didn’t think it was fair or right to take Tuft to the tour—he says NOTHING about Danielson’s exclusion.
I change my assessment: Danielson, call you agent ASAP. Maybe you can still get a job with Bissell supporting BJM.
I find it telling that for years
other US pros have questioned Danielson’s racing ability—not his training power, but his racing ability.
All of ‘em: Julich, Leipheimer, Hincapie, VandeVelde (leaving out Armstrong) have been quoted telling stories about Danielson’s incredible discomfort in a pack and his inability to handle racing. The stories about how many domestiques it takes to continually keep tabs on him are legion if you do some digging.
So, why waste the kilojoules on such a rider?
between you and Gavia, I don't even have to defend my own points :)
All I will say is this. Based on this year’s results who on the current team would you remove in favor of Danielson? I simply can’t imagine any defensible argument that a single one of those guys should be the one who goes to give Tommy D a spot. That and, yeah, he can get up any one hill fast, but aside from that, over a Grand Tour stage, let alone 3 weeks of them, not gonna happen.
Where in the hell is TD?
I figured JV would screw him over… CVV must be in bad shape because there’s no way for a GC bid. Theyll probably lose the team TT to Astana or Columbia and then Farrar will get 3-4 2nd to 5th places and that will be that.
I won't comment much here as it would be wrong but
personally I was really wishing Maaskant was on this team in place of Martin. I agree Martin has some great talent but he’s hit or miss and young in experience. I think Maaskant could’ve been a great help.
I am looking forward to the Tour and cheering on a friend. It’s a 3 week race and as we all know all too well, so much can happen. Hurry up July!
I love C, not because he rocks as a cyclist, but because deep down he's a band geek! LOL!
Maaskant didn't want to do the Tour
He rode last year and felt it impacted his fall races (worlds, classics) negatively.
I was just saying I wish he was on the team.
I think that Maaskant made some solid great impressions and that he would’ve been really helpful. I think Martin is a huge load of talent but I’m not sure I think he’s ready for something like this just yet. I’m hoping to be proven wrong.
I’ve had some really great conversations and emails this past week and today so of course my views at this point are totally biased and insights have me looking at things very differently. I’m ready to get this partay started for sure!
I love C, not because he rocks as a cyclist, but because deep down he's a band geek! LOL!
I don't think it matters if he's ready or not
he shouldn’t be riding for GC anyway, but he really needs to get GT experience now so he can develop into a GT contender sooner than later. I would have preferred him to start a Giro or Vuelta first but I guess it’s good for him to get the first Tour experience out of the way.
Wow, this Bubble Boy discussion has really ignited some passion, huh?
I’m disappointed for TD that he’s not going to the Tour. However, while JV may not be the greatest tactician, he’s not an idiot, and I’m sure has valid reasons for not picking TD. If TD still hasn’t adjusted to life in the pack (and remember, this was an issue less than a year ago), then he could be a liability and wouldn’t be in position to help CVV when he needed to.
Danny Pate is an incredible domestique, and according to JV, a very smart rider. Domestiques such as DP are invaluable. His brains and stage hunting potential are bonuses. I previously predicted he’d get the nod.
I’m not surprised Ryder got the call, but the points about the amount of work he’s done this year are good ones. I think he is more versatile than TD (can do domestique work and can help – at least to some extent – in the mountains), again considering TD’s riding-in-the-pack troubles.
I think it is interesting, though, that JV didn’t say squat about TD in his VN interview. Perhaps that does indicate TD needs to look elsewhere for employment soon. Calling JB? LA?
Thinking hard - really hard - of something witty to say....
Hmm...
The roster is very biased toward Anglo speakers.
Mon coeur appartient à les forçats de la route.
The team is, you mean.
Out of 28 riders, only 5 don’t hail from English-speaking countries. And the strongest of those didn’t want to do the Tour this year (see tedvdw’s comment on Maaskant above). So it’s not really surprising that the Tour roster is English-speaking.
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
I'm thinking Maaskant speaks a little English too
"Where there’s a will, there’s a way.": Alberto Contador, shortly after waking up from brain surgery.
I'm not surprised to see Pate get the nod.
In terms of grand tour resiliency, Pate is the anti-Bubble Boy.
Last year, in his first year as a grand tour rider, Pate started the Giro and the Tour and finished both. Not only that, he finished both races strongly, with solid performances in the final time trials in both Italy and France.
This year, Pate finished the Giro again, and was still strong enough on stage 18 to outlast most of his breakaway companions and finish third on the stage.
by Susie Hartigan on Jun 24, 2009 10:16 PM EDT reply actions
Thank you for that.
Pate is a solid, dependable, and great rider. He does what he’s told and does it well. He hangs in there and gets into breaks and offers great support. You need riders like him on a team and I’m glad he’s there and would hope that there would be a lot more discussion on it if he hadn’t made the team.
I love C, not because he rocks as a cyclist, but because deep down he's a band geek! LOL!
Is he a Joad?
Did he have a mattress on his roof or something?
by australopithecine on Jun 25, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Despite my being a native Texan
with a sister who defected to Oklahoma, I meant that as a term of endearment.
Pate
Pate’s a good bike racer – tactically smart and strong legs. He has a knack for getting in the right breaks and a stage win will come sooner rather than later. Hard to say if it will be this Tour, but he’s come close on a number of occasions. No brainer for me that he goes to the Tour, especially after he came close at the Giro.
Danielson, meh. Can’t race his way out of a house on fire with all the doors open.
Garmin just signed Michael Kreder from Rabo Continental...
His brother Raymond is on the Garmin U23 team…Apparently he is a climber who can sprint so would be good news for some races with steeper finishes in the future for Garmin
Yay...
they just signed more young talent, brothers, friends, cousins sisters brothers, you get my point. This is racing and while there is such a thing a loyalty/honor there is also strategic planning and sometimes friends don’t fit into that equation. I just read the JV Velonews article and found it troubling that he cited that Pate is a “good” friend… Why is that even a part of tour selection dialogue? And he also stated that he is “good” friends with VdV and would not take Contador if VdV said no… Are you nutz?!? If you have the opportunity to take the best stage racer in the land you do it… You don’t ask your current team leader/“good” friend… JV is all over the place when it comes to his selection logic; citing the “hope” that VdV rides into shape and should that happen they will support him. What do you mean you hope he rides into shape and you would support him if that should come to fruition… Don’t you have a strategic plan? I kinda see a Farrar plan, but outside of that I’m at a loss. This is a business and it’s called winning. JV might try reading a page from the Team Columbia play book…
good luck garmin
i like the garmin squad and i like what jv is trying to do; all the best!
"Race radios in Cat 4?"
Martijn Maaskant is in
but I don’t know who is out. This news via his girlfriend in a message on Facebook group ‘Martijn Maaskant fans.’
It’s Dan Martin who is out because of tendonitis, as per JV: http://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/2434894217
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