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Tour rosters: Astana ?

[Ed. note: Yes, this is confirmed. Check the Astana site (watch your volume, though).]

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waiting for confirmation from another source

by lucybears on Jun 25, 2009 5:50 AM EDT reply actions  

i'd consider it a confirmation from the team site

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Jun 25, 2009 7:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

novel way to announce the team

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Jun 25, 2009 7:08 AM EDT reply actions  

i'm hoping that don't put him in the "?1" dossard

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Jun 25, 2009 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

not a bad squad...

strong men for the flats: vaitkus, rast, muravyev
time trialers: all good ones, not too sure about rast and muravyev
got climbers in spades: armstrong, contador, kloden, leipheimer, paulinho, popovych, zubeldia

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Jun 25, 2009 7:13 AM EDT reply actions  

oops, my mistake.... small print ya now

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Jun 25, 2009 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

stile americano

according to Tuttobici. Oh dear ;-)

by civetta on Jun 25, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

CQ tweet

Confirms. But I don’t know the source.

Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja min who know how to twirl.

by TheFigurehead on Jun 25, 2009 9:04 AM EDT reply actions  

the source is the astana website... where lucybears got the graphic above...

why is this so difficult to understand

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Jun 25, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

because

lucybears did not get the graphic from the team website, hence my post of wanting confirmation….

by lucybears on Jun 25, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

sorry... i saw it at the website

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Jun 25, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

but, why would this shirt be produced if it wasn't accurate?

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Jun 25, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

my

source was unreliable, ie I had no idea if the shirt had been produced or not, or, even if it had, the information on it was accurate

by lucybears on Jun 25, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

the 10,000 “Orlando Magic NBA champs 2009” t-shirts sitting in a dumpster somewhere, or waiting to be given to charity, would like to offer you their personal thanks

by plinytheelder on Jun 25, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Armstrong and Contador

Will be protected riders.

"Where there’s a will, there’s a way.": Alberto Contador, shortly after waking up from brain surgery.

by Lopex on Jun 25, 2009 10:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Shinebox!

(If I get the meaning right of shinebox)

Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Frining "It's what he thinks.. But he always do.. I eat my shoe if he ride top 15 in le Tour" about Devolder

by Frinking on Jun 25, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Presumptuous Much?

Are they really this egotistical? Can any of you seriously imagine, say, some Belgian team coming over to the States for a big event and bragging about how they are the new American revolution? I don’t think I’d blame anyone for being offended by such a thing.

by Ed K on Jun 25, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

mmmm...possibly.

Still think its kinda obnoxious though.

by Ed K on Jun 25, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quite.

I wouldn’t be surprised by daily doping tests for the whole team.

"Think globally, bike locally."

by SpaceGuy on Jun 25, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very obnoxious

This will do wonders to their public image in France…

by MathieuG on Jun 25, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who's the Robespierre?

Any bets?

Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja min who know how to twirl.

by TheFigurehead on Jun 25, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Armstrong is clearly the Incorruptible

the question is, when does the Terror begin? (sorry, just eating breakfast)

by plinytheelder on Jun 25, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

yikes

So is Contador Danton? I know how this story ends.

by Jen See on Jun 25, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Contador is the Marquis de Sade… ;)

by plinytheelder on Jun 25, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

remember, you're talking about the country that has made "taking offense" into an art form

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Jun 25, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right, but you'd be upset, too

if everyone thought you produced Borat.

by Sui Juris on Jun 25, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

the usa didn't produce borat...

it was the usa i was referring to at “taking offense” being an art form, in case you missed it

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Jun 25, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!

by jsallee00 on Jun 25, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me, too

Well, at least both I and UMW missed each other’s points . . .

by Sui Juris on Jun 25, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

me too

France, offense = art form.
US, offense = policy tool.

by JFS_PGH on Jun 27, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guess they were forced to go with the token Kazak...

though they could have done much worse but I still think Noval would have been better.

by Vlaanderen90 on Jun 25, 2009 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

I’m also surprised about Rast but I guess Vaitkus hasn’t come back enough from injuries and Bazayev is still in the doghouse. Rast fits the mold though: big and fast. He won the Luxembourg prologue but is not good at all in the longer ITT’s so for the TTT I imagine the team using him up and dropping him.

Muravyev I don;t get (beyog the Hazakh connection). He’s a bit older (1979) so maybe they didn;t want to bring along a kid like they did in the Giro bu otherwise I would place Zeits, or Dyachenko ahead of him. Muravyev is bad in time trials.

by ursula on Jun 25, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

muravyev has been the national tt champion

as well as road

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Jun 25, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

and pointing out "almost last in his previous tour" in the comments?

Even if you’re doing it to say, “he’s better than the numbers imply,” it’s still, well, rude. Mean and rude. Perhaps meant that way (stick it the the ’zakhs) perhaps just tone-deaf, but wow…or am I being oversensitive here?

by JFS_PGH on Jun 25, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

oversensitive

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Jun 25, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

nah, rude

I thought it was rude, too. Heck, there are plenty of good things you can say about a guy without pointing out that unfortunate statistic. And if the statistic is truly non-indicative of his performance, then it’s even more inappropriate to republish it. They could have just called him “dependable” and left it at that.

Then again, the whole thing was probably “edited” only by Johan and HWMNBN…

"Think globally, bike locally."

by SpaceGuy on Jun 25, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

But... no Chris Horner?

That’s a bad bad move for all sorts of reasons.

by ursula on Jun 25, 2009 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

I was shocked

too with Horner being left off. For a few reasons. Maybe they don’t think he has recovered enough?

by cyclingdiva on Jun 25, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe.

I certainly hope that’s the excuse. But how real is it?

Interesting that Gerrans was training with them also and now two major domestiques are stilling at home.

by ursula on Jun 25, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

stilling at home?

is that a mashup of sitting at home and still at home?

by ZoeRochelle on Jun 25, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it is a huge

mistake not taking Horner and it makes my stomach hurt. I didn’t but the two together about them training together. hmmm

by cyclingdiva on Jun 25, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

perhaps

Ursula knows more about their off-the-books sources of revenue generation than he’s admitting to.

Coming to a dry county near you this summer: Cannonball run46, the professional cyclist edition. “That ain’t endurox in them bidons . . .”

by R Mc on Jun 25, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Read the reason was..

He chrashed 3 times this season and he broke someting 3 with all the falls.. They didn’t want to take the risk of that in the Tour

Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Frining "It's what he thinks.. But he always do.. I eat my shoe if he ride top 15 in le Tour" about Devolder

by Frinking on Jun 25, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

No Noval for Contador

neither Horner for Armstrong, is fair.:P

by semprenaroda on Jun 25, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I thought the same thing. They may’ve been all kissy-kissy at Gila, but that was the exception.

Disappointing, but not a shocker.

by swells on Jun 25, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

Horner wasn’t Lance’s boy in the past, but he certainly is now.

But, Bruyneel had to make the money happy. And for now, Lance isn’t the money.

by Jen See on Jun 25, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I want to know

is how long it will take for the Borat parody shirts to appear . . .

by R Mc on Jun 25, 2009 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

So lemme get this straight

the t-shirt printer knew before Horner did? These guys are just plain weird.

Abruzziamo!

by Chris Fontecchio on Jun 25, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I doubt that's the case, that the printer knew before Horner, c'mon. They respect Horner too much.

Sure wanted Horner, but it’s sensible that they have more power to control things should Contador inconceivably get the yellow by chance. Yea? They looked to have plenty of climbers before the last three were picked, so as much as I wanted Horner, it didn’t look likely.

by sminer on Jun 25, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strange phrasing in saying that alberto is the team leader.

Instead of putting it that way, JB says Bert’s worked hard, “earning the right to represent our team as out leader this July.” Presumably Bert IS the leader, and this isn’t a symbolic statement.

by JFS_PGH on Jun 25, 2009 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm sure Bert is not happy

that Noval isn’t there. I had the impression he was very close with Bert and sort of a buffer against some of the stress/hassles of the race.

by Katiek on Jun 25, 2009 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Gives me hope for the Vuelta

That Contador will do that. Astana could be quite a good team there:

Contador
Zubeldia
Noval
Navarro
Horner
Brajkovic
Bazayev
Paulinho
Hernandez

by ursula on Jun 25, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

kloden

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Jun 25, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

chechu too....

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Jun 25, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Klodi + Checu.

Yep, forgot them. Still a very good team.

by ursula on Jun 25, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only one token Kazakh?

Then methinks the Kazakh government did not cough up as much money as it claimed.

Mon coeur appartient à les forçats de la route.

by Josenka on Jun 25, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

and i think

they choose one, because have too…lol

by semprenaroda on Jun 25, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some sensitive types out there huh? All worried about insulting someone.

Zubeldia – 9 Tours. That’s a lot of miles around France.

JB – 12 GTs

by phantom_51 on Jun 25, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

neither's la... didn't get his wish it appears (horner on the squad)

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Jun 25, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

can't blame him

I’m furious that he was left out

by Bruce Suomi on Jun 25, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can understand that

Does his contract end this year? Negociations frequently take place in July… if he’s angry at Astana, another team may take advantage of that…

by MathieuG on Jun 25, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

And once again, JB

flips off ASO. How? Including Kloden on the tour squad. Perhaps he’s gunshy because of Gusev’s successful appeal, but Kloden is suspicious 3 ways to Freiburg—and his inclusion on the team opens the door to all sorts of wonderful news stories in the German Press.

by R Mc on Jun 25, 2009 3:57 PM EDT reply actions  

ASO?

Bringing that sorry sack of s*** is flipping everybody off.

by Jens on Jun 25, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah that's nice, lets not classify Jens as everybody here

we all know you hate his guts, not everyone does. I don’t like him as much as other Germans but am glad he’s starting.

by Phil H. on Jun 25, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indifferent concerning Kloden, if ASO had made any kind of a rumble

don’t think he would have been invited. Jens remark about “No Horner” and competing teams being thankful, I didn’t look at it that way, but that’s so true.

EJBPMO might need an avatar for that one, hmmm.

by sminer on Jun 25, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't really hate his guts as much as my comments indicate.

In many ways I think he is an admirable racer. Always doing his job for his team, seldom whining and at times underappreciated for his results.

I’m merely using him as a symbol of the shitty way the sport and some athletes are dealing with the problem of doping.

- When everyone around him has been exposed as sytematic dopers, teammates say he’s doped (some outright in testimony and some with not so subtle hints). A very thourough commission on the Freiburg-clinic has presented proof (that they deem solid enough not to get them into legal problems) he has doped. Still he is allowed to ride along as if nothing happened. Does anyone think this sends the signal that we want the dopingproblem to go away?

- His ludicrous ramblings about his own purity and how he’s such a wonderfully gifted athlete that he doesn’t need to dope (in the face of all we know) tick me off a little bit, I will agree.

So when I call him a sorry sack of shit it is a slightly more drastic way of saying “this is a man who has no place racing before he has served some kind of sentence for his past cheating and Astana/ASO should know better than to bring/allow him in the race”

by Jens on Jun 26, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

yep. shades of virenque, n'est=ce pas?

If Boonen has to go through his farce trial, Klodi should also be excluded.

The flags went up big time when he went out of his way to decline joining Stapleton’s T-Mobile squad.

And the positives of riders like Rebellin, Schuhmacher (who I liked . . .) and Kohl (note: ALL on an allegedly clean team at the time of the positives) suggests that the claim that someone like Kloden has been scared into riding clean is not really applicable.

by R Mc on Jun 26, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

His inclusion made me wince

but eh, if he’s riding clean, or if he gets caught red handed (or scarlet blooded?) either way, it’s good for the sport. I can live with it, as ASO apparently can.

by JFS_PGH on Jun 27, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lotto

Wouldn’t have left him off, if he’d stayed there. Wonder if Popo is going to show some heart/form this year?

by McDiesel on Jun 25, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions  

true

Horner’s missed two tours in a row now hasn’t he? maybe if he stayed with Lotto he could have had his team leader win one of them as well. Wonder if he’s even thought about that?

by Wireless on Jun 25, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bit of a tough comparison to make though

because Astana has so many more top domestique’s than Lotto does.

by Phil H. on Jun 25, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

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