VDS: National Championship Bonus Points
by majope on Jun 25, 2009 3:49 PM EDT
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100 points per title, TT and RR. So far, 3000 points have been awarded to listed riders (for non-VDS champs see the appropriate Nat Champ threads):
National RR Champs:
Belarus: Yauheni Hutarovich 100
Belgium: Tom Boonen 100
Denmark: Matti Breschel 100
Estonia: Rein Taaramae 100
France: Dmitri Champion 100
Germany: Martin Reimer 100
Ireland: Nicolas Roche 100
Italy: Filippo Pozzato 100
Luxembourg: Andy Schleck 100
Kazakhstan: Dmitriy Fofonov 100
Norway: Kurt-Asle Arvesen 100
Russia: Serguei Ivanov 100
Spain: Ruben Plaza Molina 100
Switzerland: Fabian Cancellara 100
National TT Champs:
Canada: Svein Tuft 100
Czech Republic: Frantisek Rabon 100
Denmark: Lars Bak 100
Estonia: Rein Taaramae 100
Germany: Bert Grabsch 100
Italy: Marco Pinotti 100
Kazakhstan: Andrey Mizourov 100
Lithuania: Ignas Konovalovas 100
Luxembourg: Kim Kirchen 100
Norway: Edvald Boasson Hagen 100
Poland: Maciej Bodnar 100
Portugal: Tiago Jose Pinto Machado 100
Slovenia: Janez Brajkovic 100
Spain: Alberto Contador 100
Switzerland: Rubens Bertogliati 100
Ukraine: Andriy Grivko 100
Will update as results become known--latest updates will be bolded.
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I'm guessing you purposely left out France and Sweden...
because no one has those guys. Btw, rec’d the post and others should too so it can stay up front over the weekend.
by Phil H. on Jun 25, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yes. If points fall in the forest and there is no one to hear them, they don't make a sound, VDS-wise.
Actually, I’m putting up the points for VDS-listed riders whether or not anyone has them. Nobody has Bodnar, for instance, but he was available and people should know what they’re missing.
If people want to check the rest of the champions, they’ll be in the National Champs Repository threads.
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
Ohhh WoW....
i’m sure Hottitude thread won’t miss him next time..
"the rest was over 30. And that doesn't mean old and useless, but experienced and with the stamina"
Jens! Voigt, Crit Intl Interview, 2009
Oh my god sooo hot I fell off my chair and burned myself. I'm now trying to extinquish....
the smoldering cinders of what was my desk……
Bah....Cavendish?!
by bradBordeaux on Jun 26, 2009 4:31 AM EDT up reply actions
300 pts so far
with Bak, Boss Hog and Grivko. Personally I think 100pts per championship is a bit we’ll see how it goes I guess.
+1, especially for smaller countries.
100 seems reasonable for France, Italy, Spain, etc. But Lithuania?
well, it's a playing it safe approach, no?
I mean, you almost guarantee 100 points out of a rider by picking with an eye toward this, but you’ll probably not gain much else.
"Almost" being the operative word.
Flat tire at the wrong moment, and you’ve blown a spot on your roster that could have gone to someone who has a lot more chances throughout the season.
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
Right.
Almost was definitely an intended modifier there. But because I’m not nearly as smart as the rest of the PdC folks on VDS, I was left with not a lot of certainty in filling out my roster for the last 3-4 guys. Nat champs? Way to go, I think.
I agree 100 points is a bit much.....I 'second' the idea of 100 points for
France, Italy, Spain, etc….but Lithuania, is a push, Luxembourg….come on now. We could work out a system based on number of pro or ProTour riders on th start.
Bah....Cavendish?!
by bradBordeaux on Jun 26, 2009 4:34 AM EDT up reply actions
If someone really bothered spending the time back in February
to look up all these obscure champions then you can’t really begrudge them 100 points.
Up to 600pts now
with Taaramae x2 and A. Schleck. And Taaremae has now breached the 500pt mark for the year – well done young man.
Wow, Lars Bak
Is really paying off for me this year. Probably my best pick so far!
Bike racing is a chess game fought by mountain climbing boxers on two wheels. ~ Bob Roll
Yay! Tuft's win skyrockets me back into the top 100 teams.
Okay, not a very big skyrocket, but you’ve got to cheer the little things.
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
That's right. Not really scored as a race, just 100 bonus points for having a National Champion on your team.
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
True.
It will make it easy for my little friend to find him.
Black Unicorn says: “I had nothing to do with Bert’s bonk in Paris-Nice. I have witnesses who will tell you I was not even in France at the time—if they know what’s good for them.”
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
Oh. That would make sense.
So does the white unicorn lift riders up when they have fallen and heal their wounds?
Adrenalina Italiana!
Well...
how do YOU explain how Frank Schleck walked away from that crash in the Tour de Suisse last year?
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
There's a pun here somewhere
What was it about unicorns and virgins?
"Where there’s a will, there’s a way.": Alberto Contador, shortly after waking up from brain surgery.
He'll need a lot more points to justify the 4 points I spent on him.
"Where there’s a will, there’s a way.": Alberto Contador, shortly after waking up from brain surgery.
After the non-results he has done up to this point...
I am happy with anything he can give me.
by Vlaanderen90 on Jun 27, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
So are we going to come up with a system to 'bell-curve' these VDS points or
is a race with three or four pros worth the same as one with a 100? No worries either way.
Bah....Cavendish?!
maybe next year?
only a few of those victories worth 100 points methinks.
Italy, Spain, France, Belgium….
Chris had mentioned possibly tweaking it for next year.
I don’t think it would be fair to change it in the middle of the season (says the woman with the Luxembourg champ). Seems like a good topic to debate during the off season, along with why Spanish stage races should be dumped completely.
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
Since it's a Grand Tour, I'm hoping the jinx won't apply.
I’ve filed an appeal with the the Cycling Karma board, but I don’t know if they’ll rule in time.
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
But I earn all my point in Spanish stage races!
And national championships (says the woman with the Spanish TT, Belarussian, Danish, Italian TT and Norwegian TT champions).
Adrenalina Italiana!
That's why they're called BONUS points
You can keep it in mind when picking your team. The reward is big but the risk is too. It’s all or nothing.
"Where there’s a will, there’s a way.": Alberto Contador, shortly after waking up from brain surgery.
My team is the Heinrich Haussler of national championships
I have only one winner so far (Andy S) and a gazillion second place finishes….
Something that I don't understand
- but then again there are so many things I don’t understand -
These riders are not on the VDS-list as far as I know, but they are getting points
RR France: Dmitri Champion, Bretagne-Schuller
RR Spain: Ruben Plaza Molina, Liberty Seguros
RR Kazakhstan: Dmitriy Fofonov, Elite-2
TT Kazakhstan: Andrey Mitzourov, Tabriz Petrochemical
TT Portugal: Tiago Jose Pinto Machado, Madeinox-Boavista
Then why are these riders not getting any points:
RR Netherlands: Koos Moerenhout, Rabobank
RR Russia: Serguei Ivanov, Katusha
RR Sweden: Marcus Ljungqvist, Saxo Bank
TT Belarus: Branislau Samoulau, Quickstep
And what about:
TT Australia: Michael Rogers, High Road
What are the criteria for getting bonus points?
Australia have their championships in January
And the VDS competition starts in February/March. It may seem to be unfair to exclude the points for Rogers, but I think it can mess up the competition a bit if they are included.
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Jun 30, 2009 6:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Riders who get points are on the VDS spreadsheet
That means they were available in the draft (on the “Final VDS riderlist”) whether or not they ended up on any teams.
Dmitri Champion—was available, is on 4 teams
Ruben Plaza Molina—was available, on 1 team
Dmitriy Fofonov—was available on list, but not picked by any teams
Andrey Mizourov—was available, on 1 team
Tiago Jose Pinto Machado—was available (pretty sure he was listed as Jose Pinto Machado), but not picked by any teams
Ivanov is on the list and got points.
Moerenhout, Ljungqvist, and Samoulau were not available this year, at least not that I can find. You can see who was and wasn’t available by checking the final version of the entry form in the VDS startup post here, or check out my ongoing VDS season spreadsheet here.
TheFigurehead is absolutely right about Rogers—both Australia and New Zealand have their championships before the VDS season starts.
Hope that helps.
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
Thank you majope
And sorry you had to do all the look up just because I was too confused. Every thing is clear now.
by LittleOldLady on Jun 30, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
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