VDS: Who’s Hot/Who’s Not: Pre-Tour Edition
First, let's start with the lists--the Top 25 VDS Scorers from this point last year and this year. Right-click and open in a new window to make bigger, or click here. The colors don't mean anything, they're just an easy way for you to find the same riders in both lists. The grey-shaded names in the 2008 list do not appear on 2009; the unshaded names on the 2009 list did not appear on 2008. The column in between shows how many points this year's Top 25 made in last year's Tour de France.
Hot and Consistent: 13 of last year’s Pre-Tour Top 25 made this year’s Top 25 again. Of these, 9 are within 300 points—a couple of good or bad days’ difference—of their points last year: Contador, Valverde, Gilbert, Pozzato, Cunego, Evans, Pellizotti, Kreuziger, and Devolder.
Special credit goes to Philippe Gilbert, though, who appeared on the Post-Roubaix Not list. In mid-April he was 390 points behind last year, a deficit I stated at the time would be “hard to make up.” Since then, he’s not only made up the missing points but jumped 265 ahead of where he was last year. I’d be miffed that he showed me up so badly if he weren’t on my team. Chapeau.
Three others (Lovkvist, Leipheimer, and Chavanel the Greater) were not on last year’s Top 25 but made this year’s with a less than 300-point increase. Consistent, and going up--two good qualities to have in a VDS pick.
Lots more below the fold...
Hottest of the Consistently-Hot: 3 riders from last year’s Top 25 returned with significantly more points: Boonen (+350), Hushovd (+358), and Cavendish (+408). Sprinting + success in the classics = a good chunk of VDS points. But only Cav has added significantly to his post-Roubaix total, adding 486 points since mid-April while Hushovd and Boonen have earned just 110 and 100 points respectively. Imagine where Boonen might be if he bothered to sprint for 2nd…
Still on list but getting colder: Davide Rebellin, as in dead-cold. Popped for doping at last year’s Olympics but still denying guilt, he’s out of the game unless he wins his case. Don’t hold your breath.
Consistently-hot riders confirmed or short-listed for the Tour: Contador, Pozzato, Leipheimer, Chavanel, Cavendish, Hushovd, Kreuziger, Pellizotti, Evans, Cunego, Devolder. Boonen? Still unknown.
The Newly Hot: 9 riders have leapt up to the Top 25 with better than 300-point increases. They are:
Denis Menchov +1000 over last year.
Danilo DiLuca +924
Heinrich Haussler +905
Stefano Garzelli +845
Alessandro Petacchi +649
Edvald Boasson Hagen +521 +621
Samuel Sanchez Gonzalez +565
Karsten Kroon +420
Andy Schleck +320
The Giro was good to more than half of these, while Haussler and Schleck are still up there due to breakthrough performances in the spring. Kroon topped a nice spring with a good handful of points from the Eschborn-Frankfurt City Loop, while SamSan started off strong in Pais Vasco and the Ardennes, but hasn't done much since. EBH combined a big win in the spring with a decent Giro and as of today is Norway’s TT champ for the third time in a row—remember that this guy just turned 22 and just try not to be impressed.
Of the Newly Hot, only Menchov, Schlecklet, and Haussler have been confirmed for the Tour, where last year they earned 325, 310, and 30 points respectively (but that was before HH became GHH).
The Not List.
12 new guys on the Pre-Tour Top 25 means 12 have been dropped from last year’s list. 3 of them, Kloden, Nuyens, and Gesink are down fewer than 300 points so not cause for great concern. Big Schleck is short 310 points (while his brother is up 320…hmmm…), so he’s on the bubble there—significantly down, but still within relatively easy range of making it up.
Sella and Ricco are on enforced extended vacation, leaving 6 guys who are...
Officially Having a Shitty Year
Daniele Bennati (-539)
Oscar Freire (-557)
Alessandro Ballan (-605)
Kim Kirchen (-617)
Thomas Dekker (-635)
Fabian Cancellara (-637)
Cancellara recently rebounded with a big win in the Tour de Suisse—where Kirchen also won a stage, Freire claimed three stage podium spots, and Dekker finished a strong 3rd in the final time trial. With luck, those results presage good things to come. Bennati, though, hasn’t scored a point since MSR and Ballan has yet to earn his first. All six of these guys should be riding the Tour, which is rich with opportunity to turn things around. But that’s a lot of ground to make up.
Update on others from the Post-Roubaix Hot/Not list:
Antonio Colom: 390 points made him Hot in the spring, doping bust makes him so very, very Not now. If to Schleck is to crash oneself out of competition, what should be the verb for to dope oneself out of VDS competition? I can think of examples from this and last year, but am appealing to someone who was around during the first VDS season to provide an illustrative case.
Hot in the spring: Marcus Burghardt. Not a point since Gent-Wevelgem, but since he’s still 405 over his entire point total last season, I’d rank him Warm. Confirmed for Tour.
Not in the spring: Enrico Gasparotto—Earned his first 60 points in the Suisse tour. Thawing out? Short-listed for Tour.
Kurt Asle-Arvesen—Still at 40 points. Icy as the Norwegian fjords. Confirmed for Tour.
Rinaldo Nocentini—Earned 120 points in the Ardennes. Still 320 down compared to last year, though. Very cool, and not in a good way. Short-listed for Tour.
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The Not list
So in looking at this:
Officially Having a Shitty Year
Daniele Bennati (-539)
Oscar Freire (-557)
Alessandro Ballan (-605)
Kim Kirchen (-617)
Thomas Dekker (-635)
Fabian Cancellara (-637)
I notice that all of them except Dekker have been hurt for much of the year. So I’m wondering, what kind of Not List could you have with uninjured and non-doping riders?
Dekker
Gasparotto
Arvesen
Nocentini
Larsson?
Ciolek?
Visconti?
Van Den Broeck?
Dekker was injured in both Etoile de Bessages and Tirreno. I'm pretty sure Ciolek was sick.
Don’t know about the others, but several of them were out of the scope of this post because they weren’t in the Top 25 for this time period either year.
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
Visconti has quietly had a solid season, just got his first win in Slovenia
he can’t get into the big races outside of Italy anymore and that’s why he hasn’t seemed to have a good year.
Van den Broeck made all his points in the Giro last year.
He didn’t ride it this year, but is short-listed for the Tour.
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
Larsson: made 375 of his 705 points after this time last year.
Unfortunately, 235 of them were in the Olympic TT and Deutschland Tour.
He is 330 short compared to last year, but was ranked down in the 40s somewhere so off-radar. Haven’t heard anything on why he might be having a bad year. Anybody?
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
I've only heard that he got sick in California
And that it still affected him in Paris-Nice. Don’t know if he had more problems after that, or if it’s due to a focus on the Tour strategy,
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Jun 26, 2009 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Tour strategy (I'm 97,36% certain)
Larsson has always been the type of rider to aim for specific goals. Last year it was the Oly TT, this year it’s the Tour.
Not that it is going to result in many VDS points as he is going to ride support. He might be free to give it all in the TTs but do theres only one that really suits him (+ the TTT which is the main reason he was guaranteed a Tour-spot)
Form over a year
So I’ve come out of lurkerdom, and I’m even going to enter the TdF VDS. Unfortunately, I don’t have a clue what I’m doing.
A few questions for the massed wisdom of Podium Cafe- if a rider is not doing so well in the current overall VDS, what are their chances of doing well in the TdF? I was thinking that there might be some GC hopes who would be trying to pace themselves for this years TdF, and whom I could therefore pick up cheaply? Or is that not the case, and I should try and find riders who are on a hot streak? Then how do I know if they’ve peaked already? I was going to pick Haussler just for the Aussie connection, I didn’t even know he’d had a breakout year (I’m a casual cycling fan, mostly watch the TdF), but now it looks like he may have peaked, and won’t be in great form for July?
Any advice on VDS strategy appreciated.
by LurkerMcLurkerson on Jun 25, 2009 10:04 PM EDT reply actions
Haven't looked at the Tour-only VDS thus far
but not doing well thus far in VDS doesn’t really indicate how a rider will do in the Tour. I can’t remember if Sastre, for example, did much of anything prior the Tour last year yet he won it. So, it’s possible. As far as knowing who’s pacing themselves and who have peaked already, I know of no substitute for research…
I think Haussler is pretty interesting. I would think he’d mainly lead out Thor in the sprints and stage hunt, but then, I think he surprised most of us this year, including those of us who picked him. Given that he said beforehand that he wanted to peak for the RvV & PR, I would think he thinks of himself more of a classics rider (and after this year, who can disagree) than than a GT rider, so I doubt he’ll be at the top of his game in the Tour. Then again, he’s had some time off and may do better than expected. I know I’ll consider him (at least until I see how much he costs, anyway).
First, catch your rabbit...
‘no substitute for research’- Yeah. Any tips on where to do that? I’ve been reading the posts here as the teams are announced, and googling riders I’ve been considering picking to see if I can find out much about their form, but I’m a bit of a neophyte.
by LurkerMcLurkerson on Jun 25, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course
though, for myself, looking at how riders have done historically can help. In addition to googling, dare I mention that last year’s vds spreadsheet (for the whole year, that is, not just the Tour) can give you some indication of what a rider’s priorities and strengths are?
I’ll have a look at last yrs VDS spreadsheet, thanks.
by LurkerMcLurkerson on Jun 26, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
That makes sense
Unfortunately, I live in Australia and only have free-to-air tv, so my only major race watching opportunity is the TdF (thank you SBS).
(if any other Aussie’s know of other races that get aired on free tv in Aus, please let me know. I vaguely remember hearing about Paris-Roubaix being aired on SBS once, but I was away at the time).
by LurkerMcLurkerson on Jun 26, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
There are a lot of races broadcasted on the internet..
Also al lot of people from Australia who watch and join the live thread.. So if you want you can see almost everything..
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Frining "It's what he thinks.. But he always do.. I eat my shoe if he ride top 15 in le Tour" about Devolder
Lol... I know.. Hard to follow..
Maybe I should start reading my posts back before I post them.. Not afterwards..
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Frining "It's what he thinks.. But he always do.. I eat my shoe if he ride top 15 in le Tour" about Devolder
Cool
I’ll check that out, thanks. My internet download limit is pretty slow, but I’m hoping to upgrade it soon. I’m less keen on the idea of live threads, they’re really just not my thing, unless I can also see the race.
by LurkerMcLurkerson on Jun 26, 2009 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions
two words: cyclingfans.com
well, ok, I guess that’s one word. But I suspect the vast majority of us watch the races on internet streaming. In America, outside the Tour de France, most races only get an hour or two, total. And that’s only the big races, such as RvV & PR. Lesser races, such as Gent Wevelgem or the Scheldeprijs, got nada. If I didn’t watch on live stream, the only alternative would be to follow the live threads (which can be helpful in giving you a sense of what’s happening, but not as nice as actually getting to see it with your own eyes).
Admittedly, it may be a bit tough to watch live in Australia as I’m guessing most European races would finish in the middle of the night for you.
I don't know how long you have been reading (lurking) here but
here’s a post by ursula that has some good pointers. Also, there’s a section dedicated to all VDS posts. Look on the left column under “sections” and you’ll see the link near the bottom of the list.
by ZoeRochelle on Jun 26, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I hadn't seen that
Thanks.
I’ve lurked for about two years, but almost always at tour time. I’m a bit of a fairweather fan, but SBS show the tour live with pretty good coverage (and Taste Le Tour- yummy french food), and it’s on during my winter break from university.
by LurkerMcLurkerson on Jun 27, 2009 6:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Look at younger riders.
When we started doing this the guy who put together the spreadsheet made a team of 25 year old and younger riders just for kicks and that team would have won. Among the reasons it is good is that their points aren’t skewed by past successes. Hot young guys rock, just ask the girls. ;-)
If Jens! Voigt was a planet, he' be the "World of Hurt"
As a girl, I concur!
Although, some of the older guys are pretty hot too- there’s a certain liquigas rider whose photo seems to regularly mysteriously appear on this site…
by LurkerMcLurkerson on Jun 26, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions
It's a girl!
I always thought ‘Lurker’ was a boy’s name!
"Where there’s a will, there’s a way.": Alberto Contador, shortly after waking up from brain surgery.
I am.
Although I’ve always liked Linus. He has a great smile…
by LurkerMcLurkerson on Jun 27, 2009 6:28 AM EDT up reply actions
although
quite amazing to see Cunego is actually doing ok…then I realized he didn’t do the Giro last year.
let’s hope he can win Lombardia again and the Worlds!
And the Vuelta and CSS..
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Frining "It's what he thinks.. But he always do.. I eat my shoe if he ride top 15 in le Tour" about Devolder
oh well, yes I hope he can do something
but he can’t win it, the vuelta, I mean — with or without Bert.
He can't?! Aah no.. Basso is finally getting some points there with 15 stage wins and the GC..
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Frining "It's what he thinks.. But he always do.. I eat my shoe if he ride top 15 in le Tour" about Devolder
And he has the support of Nieve! I think..
Crashdan: "Veni Vidi Vici beats Wing Kong Exchange... … and I’ll change my signature to a backwards smile for a month."
Frining "It's what he thinks.. But he always do.. I eat my shoe if he ride top 15 in le Tour" about Devolder

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