radios, love 'em or hate 'em? plus awesome poll
I got the idea for this post from a discussion in yesterday's post-stage comments, in which a few people voiced their opinions for or against dropping radios for 2 stages of the Tour. For my part, and yesterday's boring stage aside, I like the idea of losing the radios - to my mind, it just makes thinking a more central part of racing, and I also think it favours attacking cycling. However, the fact that so many of the riders and teams opposed the experiment makes me second-guess my opinion on the matter - it seems like there are some real safety concerns, for example, and frankly I tend to give the riders the benefit of the doubt when it comes to safety.
Anyways, now that we've seen a stage without the radios, and in all likelihood still have one to come, what do people think?
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Radio use for transmitting safety info, mechanical problems, accidents, etc. is a good thing. Radio use for transmitting tactics/orders, no good.
If I just had one more gear, I...
by SpunOut on Jul 15, 2009 1:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
link the riders to a neutral safety / info source?
Instead of the team car / DS?
by JFS_PGH on Jul 15, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds about right
Like AM traffic stations. It could give any advisories/warnings needed and the riders could relay mechanicals, accidents, etc. The DS could monitor their riders’ transmissions and respond but couldn’t give strategy and tactics.
If I just had one more gear, I...
by SpunOut on Jul 15, 2009 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, this is what they should do in my opinion
but of course the ds also want to give strategy.
by yeehoo on Jul 15, 2009 5:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't address one of the things that I've seen cited...
…namely that radios allow team support to know whether their riders have been affected by an incident and whether they need to respond. If they’re only linked to neutral support, every team car will be jockeying for position after a crash rather than only the ones with affected riders.
by Ed K on Jul 15, 2009 6:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One com channel for everyone would take care of that.
I nearly threw stuff at the tv listening to riders defend radios as “progress” and therefore riders shouldn’t “go bacK”: by that logic epo is progress too . . .
by R Mc on Jul 15, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's wrong with the riders using their heads and communicating together?
Radios do not prevent thinking, but they allow for convoluted tactics.
The real enemies are the TV and Tour radio on board the cars, if we remove the radios we’ll just have even more domestiques in the tail of the peloton waiting to transport orders just like in yesterday’s stage.
Plus the sprinter teams will give the breakaways even less headroom, there’s a reason why yesterday’s stage was so mindbogglingly boring and that was fear of slow updates causing miscalculations.
The success of breakaways do not depend on the time updates, but the tactical game in peloton mixed with luck, just ask Jens Breakaway Voigt who is a warm supporter of the radios.
by OctaBech on Jul 15, 2009 4:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I fine with no radios but if their has to be something to appease people it would be a one way radio from the rider to the car
to indicate if they have a mechanical… Safety is endangered when DSes are telling the guys that rough pavement is ahead so they go 60k and hour and dive into corners to get there first whilst not even caring about the guy next to him. Crashes will happen and so will untimely mechanicals…It is part of the sport. If Merckx had a radio then he would have probably won 1/4 more of the races he entered because of getting “proper” info instead of just using your head.
by Vlaanderen90 on Jul 15, 2009 3:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i think no radios are fine,
but to me, it will be more usefull if wasn’t allowed for example the heart measurings, like Polars, or even that who calculate the power of pedaling, cyclists have to know their body, not only look for the data…
by semprenaroda on Jul 15, 2009 6:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They say you better listen to the voice of reason
but they don’t give you any choice, ‘cause they think that it’s treason. But you had better do as you are told—you better listen to the radio.
Among his many talents, Mark Cavendish can make it rain in Southern California--Chris Jones, ESPN Magazine
by majope on Jul 15, 2009 7:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd prefer no radios
But I don’t get why a test was necessary. The peloton rode for a whole century without radios … New things need testing!
by tedvdw on Jul 15, 2009 9:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hehe…it’s like testing wool jerseys or steel frames ;)
by plinytheelder on Jul 15, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or 'La Bomba'
Hang on, that’s illegal now, isn’t it
by Mark T1979 on Jul 15, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I don't mind the radio ban
but at some point cycling will have to realize what year it is. Hell in 2009 radio’s are even seen as out-of-date. Cycling will eventually have to get as high tech as the world around it is, every sport does. Baseball and Tennis now have replay’s to see if a call was correct or not for instance. The sport isn’t the same as it was 50 years ago, so yes they managed without radios but that was also a different time. They couldn’t use the tech, it’s like John Wooden saying dunking is stupid because when he played no one dunked, yeah because they couldn’t, time’s change. But again, I don’t mind the ban and I wouldn’t mind seeing no radio days, just not on a permanent level because in 2020 I guarantee you there will be ways for the riders to communicate with the DS’s without having to go to the car. The ban won’t last.
Vamos Alberto!!!(Contador not Ricco)
by Phil H. on Jul 15, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you wanna tell me that
Wilt Chamberlain couldn’t dunk?
by R Mc on Jul 15, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's as likely as him scoring 100 points or something...
hey John Wooden said it himself, referring to college ball though.
Vamos Alberto!!!(Contador not Ricco)
by Phil H. on Jul 15, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No players were able dunk but
It was seen as unsportsmanlike or showing off and frowned upon. The ability to dunk has pretty much always been there in the NBA, just not looked kindly upon.
If I just had one more gear, I...
by SpunOut on Jul 16, 2009 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
willie worsley, 5'9",
played for the ’66 Texas Western Miners (won the title that year with an all black starting five – revolutionary idea for the time), could dunk. Just had to get in a plug for my hometown team.
by yeehoo on Jul 16, 2009 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Radios aren't the problem Bring back Time Bonuses
"The Map is not the Territory" ~ A. Korzybski
by le.tour.fan on Jul 15, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Time bonuses are the devil's work!
Never again please.
If I just had one more gear, I...
by SpunOut on Jul 16, 2009 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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