Help Megabeth Pick Her VDS Team: LIVE THREAD!
by Megabeth on Jul 2, 2009 7:01 PM EDT
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PrintIt's time for the smackdown! Who's going to come out on top...who's going to be left behind. Will peer pressure (fueled by beer and cheese) and chance beat out the team of knowledge and logic? And, most importantly, will this VDS even survive Le Tour? Time will only tell!
Let's get started after the jump...
A recap of the rules straight from the preview thread:
Using company resources, I have printed out every rider on the VDS spreadsheet. I have cut them out into little slips. Those riders that are not riding in Le Tour have been placed into the Trashcan of Sadness. I have grouped the remaining riders together based on their point value and we'll start with the highest and work our way to the onesies and twosies.
I will draw a rider, and then there will be five minutes of discussion of why or why not I should include that rider. If I do not choose the rider, I will draw again and I must keep the rider from the second draw. And of course, five minutes doesn't necessarily mean five minutes. If someone makes an irrefutable point, we move on. If I get silence? It will be a lonnnng five minutes of lonely sad. Do you want that?
Just to prove that everything is on the up and up, the following has been examined and approved by an in-house self-delegated independent Podium Cafe Referee. This includes:
The preparation of the slips...
The slips in wait..
The cycling-approved devices in which the slips will be drawn...
And, The Trash Can of Sadness:
And, of course, the beer, cheese and wine that will be taken in during each round.
In the comments below, I will submit my first draw. During each round, I will also let you know what point values are included in that draw. And, I'll let you know what cheese we're eating in celebration of the picked rider.
As we get towards the end, we might have to call for substitutions and switches so we don't exceed the point rule. (Word of Warning: While I did get my MBA from an Ivy League school, my math skilz still require me to use my fingers. I may require some input of which point value group to hit next for those who can add faster than I.)
So, the first question before I do the first draw.
Am I going for GC or points jerseys? (That way, I know who to include in the hat.)
Let the games and peer pressure begin!
Edited to add:
Carlos Sastre has been added to the team.
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If only this water bottle I am drinking were vodka. And tomorrow’s 100 mile ride were by train.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:04 PM EDT reply actions
Ok, folks.
I’ll give a grace period of 3 extra minutes for the GC vs. Jersey argument since some of ya’ll are still getting over here. Don’t let me down!
you should go for both!
(I should mention that I am likely to have the worst advice possible given that I only follow cycling during the Tour de France and I mostly pick my guys based on things like “good hair,” “was funny once,” and “has a name I would like to say out loud.”)
GC all the way
Because GC guys tend to get points in a variety of ways…
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:05 PM EDT reply actions
That pleases the White Unicorn very much!
He will also provide advice.
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
He's dead drunk and drooling into what looks like the remains of a couple of kittens.
But I’ll see if I can get his attention.
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
Hi, all! Megabeth, what a great idea!
I missed the team presentation today (wtf, I thought it was tomorrow,) and was so happy to see your planned Event. I’ve cracked open a Smithwick, in honor of Dan Martin’s withdrawl, poor guy.
Who did you pick first? To hell with the rainbow, let’s get going! :-)
Wait, aren't you in the twin cities?
Where did you find a Smithwick’s? I don’t think I’ve ever seen that around here.
by Susie Hartigan on Jul 2, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Eden Prairie Liquor. No kidding. They sell Bulmer's Cider, too.
Very tasty. I’ll change over to wine starting Saturday. :-)
Eden Prairie, huh?
Whooda thunk it!
I’ll have to check that out :-)
by Susie Hartigan on Jul 2, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
serously. cause it might inspire me to play too
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
said "mght"
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
What are you drinking? I've got
Monty Python’s Holy Grail. And yes, it tastes funny.
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
commie
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
and the masses
so close enough.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
All rise
Let’s go children of the fatherland,
The day of glory has arrived!
Against us tyranny’s
Bloody flag is raised! (repeat)
In the countryside, do you hear
The roaring of these fierce soldiers?
They come right to our arms
To slit the throats of our sons, our friends!
Grab your weapons, citizens!
Form your batallions!
Let us march! Let us march!
May impure blood
Water our fields!
I have to drive in a bit,
so I’m just going to act drunk instead. WOOOOO.
+1
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Cycling approved devices
is it true that every one of those is stolen?
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:09 PM EDT reply actions
naw
Some have been found on the side of the road. Perhaps the Columbia ones were because I had sticky fingers….maybe.
Ah right
fell off the team trucks. No questions asked.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
PLEASE SWITCH TO SECOND LIVE THREAD
Ok, not yet…
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:11 PM EDT reply actions
it's your funeral.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
GC
The GC winner should get you 800 points, minimum. 1200-1400 max (Contasdor from stage one to the end)
Green jersey winner- Cav- may get you what 700 max.
But you have to pick the GC winner. Out of a hat.
So I still say, pick the name and then we’ll see.
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
Okay, so maybe 5 min
was a bit optimistic,re: local processing power. I think GC is the aim here. Plus, that will still allow for cheaper green jersey thrills.
Yeah. Though I'm feeling a lot of love for Oscarito these days, I've got him on the Ed's League.
I desperately need him to score me some quality points this July….
For our purposes today, I say …..dump him. :-)
NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He will do nothing. NOTHING!
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok...
Votes for dumping shall commence now. Five minute discussion and remember. Second draw from the 30 to 18 sticks.
Keep!
Shaggy hair and looks a little like Tim Curry.
Taking two days off from climbing and diving to work...
… but I’m driving to San Gorgonio this evening to climb it tomorrow, dive on Saturday, boulder on Sunday, BBQ Sunday evening… then I’m diving all next weekend… uh… and… uh… I think I spend most of next week writing Tour Stage previews.
What’s up with you sistah!
Respect the Shit List; it respects you.
yeah
where is EGoat anyway? He should be here…
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I love him. Keep.
Keep all Oscars is my rule. (Also, fun name to say.)
oh, that oscar..... keep him
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Gatto?
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
wrong month.
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by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
now, the 18 is how much he costs?
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Keep him I say.
Can climb a little and all….if Cav fails he could challenge for green
Adrenalina Italiana!
yeah but
18 points? That’s Leipheimer money.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I just heard a whine from the back room.
So, shall I reduce the point spread of the first pick? 30 to 20? Discuss.
catch and release! catch and release!
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I got Oscarito RespeKt.
See my VDS teams for the past two years. I’m just saying that you might not want to pin your giant point scoring hopes on him, is all.
Can we move on?
so far this is an unmitigated disaster.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions
maybe
I’m confused.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
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by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Again?
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Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
well, at least now it's a mitigated disaster
by Susie Hartigan on Jul 2, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The unicorns say
Question: if MegaBeth picks Oscar, will you help him win points in the Tour?
White: You make my horn glow with happiness! Yes, indeed I will!
Black: But he’s a friend of the dark side! Still, for you…yes.
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
Ok, five minutes is up.
I’m getting the sense that I should toss him.
So, I shall. 2nd pick coming up.
you weren't plannng on going home right away, were you?
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
heck, i already finished my 17 hrs for the day
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
it's almost like he cares about other things.
Plus, that “Sastre” doesn’t exactly trip off the tongue, does it?
Not an option
as I understand the rules. (cough)
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
He's right
(Until I change the rules.) He’s a keeper. Moving on to pick #3. Going into the 18 to 16 spread….
Value!
Podium places are bank
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
stuck with that one, eh?
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Carlos will podium
He will not win.
I kept the Carlos faith last year. I still respect the guy. I just don’t think he has the suppor to do it.
i took him in mine
but yeah, maybe is too riskyy.
But the great value of him is this, i think much more people choose Contador, so if you have Sastre instead Conta, you will be at front of many ppl. Ok, can be in the other way….
The scary part
is how Ursula has the GC placings points memorized at least 7 deep.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
On Carlos
White: Your mind is all sunshiney and good! I trust you, and will do my best.
Black: Mwah-ha-ha. Between us, you and I will rule the world.
majope: I doubt he’ll podium this year. Probably top 5, though. Maybe.
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
genius!
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Big question for you all:
Will we have more threads and posts on Megabeth picking than we did for the Tour of Flanders?
love the production value
but which cheese goes with the next guy?
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Augh, seriously, another rider from my Ed's League team.
Love him. But if you keep picking, you might get a rider who will place higher than he can. Dump him.
More:
This horde of slaves, traitors, plotting kings,
What do they want?
For whom these vile shackles,
These long-prepared irons? (repeat)
Frenchmen, for us, oh! what an insult!
What emotions that must excite!
It is us that they dare to consider
Returning to ancient slavery!
depends on the cheese
If you don’t have a good match, dump.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Hm
I believe I am testing positive for “meh” right now…
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
dood
you know there are masking agents for that, don’t you.
sheesh, man, you should be more careful.
Red bull?
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
is he gonna stick around for the whole tdf
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
gerdemann
good for a stage win and maybe some yellow jersey time
dobut he’ll go too far in the gc.
leeeenoooos.
Yeah. Could end up top 15 or so, but out of the real points.
I think he’s too expensive.
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
Here I was puzzling over it as a comment on Leenooos' hair.
Like maybe he was the best domestique to sleep with?
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
that's her rule...
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
I say keep
Or we’ll need a new thread before the next round.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:36 PM EDT reply actions
MalcolmXParkBerg?
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by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm afraid it's so bedtime.
I need to function on the morrow. Night all, and have fun….
Adrenalina Italiana!
Cheers!
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw Allan Davis in the trashcan of sadness.
He may still ride the tour, so this invalidates your whole process and you need to start over.
Good eye.
I just didn’t want to make the choice between the two and left them both out. (Besides, Boonen is going to spend the tour with me…)
scroll up. A lot
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Unicorns on Leenoos
Black: I swear to you—he will go down like Frank Schleck in Switzerland.
White: I’ve never attempted anything like that. But I love you and will die trying!
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
Damn
I got here late and tried reading from the begining to catch up.
But y’all are posting faster than I can read…
"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!
I think only one rider has been picked.
It’s a slow and scientific process. Or something.
Also, you bitches
need to be clear on who has been selected already. As I believe there is some cheese to be eaten. Sastre = Drunken Goat cheese. Mmmmm.
is that 16 or 18 pts?
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Based on my original rules...
He’s a keeper. So, I shall keep. I shall do another draw from the 16 to 14 group. But, I’ll add the 12’s in there for good measure.
yes
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
yes she is... you know, sastre instead of freire; kirchen instead of gerdemann
something smells a little foul here if you ask me
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
just smile & nod
"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!
second time = charm
and how hard can it be to match a cheese to a Luxembourger? Like stink on a pig.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:44 PM EDT reply actions
It must be really confusing to be ahead of everyone in this case.
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
oh. my. god.
you killed the Bruce Gap. RUN!
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Sheesh. First it goes up, then it goes down.
How long can that take?
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
don't make me laugh... my pulled back muscle can't take this
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Has anyone else noticed
That Megabeth is fading further and further into darkness with each picture? That’s some quality photography Mark!
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:45 PM EDT reply actions
OK, I just got here, what fun!
Bike racing is a chess game fought by mountain climbing boxers on two wheels. ~ Bob Roll
slow going here, it's been like 45 mins, and she's got only 2 riders
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
and three cheese selections
No word on the alcohol. I fear the worst.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok...
For those that are following along at home.
The first two picks have been made:
Carlos Sastre and Kim Kirchen for a total of 36.
Next rider has been chosen and he’s…
a little fuzzed there... is that frank?
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
It would help
If the photographer focused on the paper, not the hand…
"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!
KEEP!
Bad knee, good karma.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
although...
Black Unicorn has it in for him.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
So much so that he now favors him.
Consistency is not his middle name.
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
so what's the rule
do the unicorns bother with secondary selections, or since they’re automatically final do they just move on?
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes I forget to ask...
White: Well, okay…but are you sure you’re a virgin?
Black: can’t possibly top that.
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
Dump! Dump!
Bike racing is a chess game fought by mountain climbing boxers on two wheels. ~ Bob Roll
yeah... dump
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
what happened to the knee?
I love those boys.
wait, you have co-workers?
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
except
he could be the decoy “leader” and stage guy until Andy is ready.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Home sick, but i say Keep..
"the rest was over 30. And that doesn't mean old and useless, but experienced and with the stamina"
Jens! Voigt, Crit Intl Interview, 2009
no, really?
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Sorry to be dense, just got here
But we’re all drinking, right? Is this the right party?
Bike racing is a chess game fought by mountain climbing boxers on two wheels. ~ Bob Roll
Velveeta!
Keep. For the fun.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
You know what you're asking for...
American cheese equals CHEDDAR. “A great source of calcium!”
(You think we’d eat those American cheese slices here? Heck, no!)
queso fresco!
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
whoa!
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
okay, this is rigged i says, rigged
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
this is good for at least one stage you know
Bike racing is a chess game fought by mountain climbing boxers on two wheels. ~ Bob Roll
she can't... she's gotta keep
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Hi Ruthann!
Bike racing is a chess game fought by mountain climbing boxers on two wheels. ~ Bob Roll
fave quote this week
from Jered
This is the Tour after all. You don’t have to love Lance Armstrong, but you do have to get out two hands worth of fingers to count his overall victories.
"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!
This right so far?
1. Sastre 20
2. Kirchen 16
3. Armstrong 16
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
Mark: new thread!!
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:55 PM EDT reply actions
347(8) posts
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Down on whom?
Bike racing is a chess game fought by mountain climbing boxers on two wheels. ~ Bob Roll
in a blaze of glory
"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!
not much
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Did Sui pass out?
You’re well overstuffed on thread #1
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 7:59 PM EDT reply actions
yeah, dood
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Not for this exercise.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok fine
Apparently Mark is too English to put his cheese down. New thread in a moment.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 2, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I need the calming voice of Phil Liggett to
get me through these quiet patches.
It's the beer.
And the influence of the Black Unicorn, I’m afraid. I’ll try to quiet down a bit.
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
SECOND THREAD now up
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
http://www.podiumcafe.com/2009/7/2/936259/pdc-charity-work-megabeth-picks-a
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
or i'm assuming that's what the thread is for...
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
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