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Rating the Remaining Climbs... PdC Style!

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Finally... FINALLY! the Tour de France has launched itself skyward, where all our questions about life as we know it will be answered. Who will win the Tour? Which stage will be decisive? Who killed JFK? How do you program a VCR? This and many more important matters will all become clear. The Mountains will tell us.

Starting yesterday and over the next week the Tour will complete four legitimate and potentially decisive mountain stages. Where the big blows will be landed is as yet undetermined, but here is a guide to each of the mega-climbs, and an assessment of their potential impact, straight out of DS Little Bear's pediatrician's office. This might run a tad long, so... over to the jump please.

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The rating scale we like to use to illustrate what climbing these beasts is like is the famous Wong-Baker pain scale:

A few words about "rating the climbs." First, the ratings applied are relative to the other climbs on the list. Fact is, everything hurts by the start of week 3 of the Tour, so it's a little obtuse to suggest otherwise. Info in this post was drawn in part from Gavia's work at Steephill.TV, while the links for each climb are to their detailed descriptions at Climbbybike.com. I started this on Saturday, and the first two climbs are in the book already, but I left them in for illustrative purposes. Details are all we have; though even the excellent km-by-km stuff at climbbybike tells less than the full story. One 8% km -- a steady 8% -- is not the same as another -- say, with a 16% ramp and a flat spot.

Where there are several approaches to a climb, I tried to figure out the right one, but you get what you pay for here. Still, that's not to make light of the issue of multiple routes to a climb. Just because you're on Famous Mountain X, doesn't mean you're riding like the Tour, if you're using a different approach. Only yesterday this point was driven home when I was trying to pack in some elevation gain over one of the area's more difficult climbs. Same mountain, but the north route climbed in about two miles, yo-yo-ing between 8 and 20% ramps, while the south route was more in the 5-11% range. Same mountain, but the two routes bore no resemblance to each other.

Sunday, Stage 15: Col Des Mosses

Wong1_mediumStats: 13.8 km, avg. 4 %, max 8% Catégorie 2

Rating: 1 Hurts Little Bit

This climb -- the fifth of six on the day but coming after four pretty insignificant ascents -- starts with its worst grade, about 8% for one km, before leveling off to 4%, then kicking up to the 6% range for the bulk of the climb. In hindsight: I don't want to call it a speed bump, but if any of the GC crew were troubled by this climb, they did an appropriately solid job of concealing it.

Sunday, Stage 15: Verbier

Wong3_mediumStats: 8.8 km, avg. 7.5 %, Catégorie 1

Rating: 3 Hurts Even More

No climb to an Alps Tour Stage finish line can score less than 3, simply because of the battle you can expect to unfold and the speed at which the climb will be ridden. Climbbybike calls it a 25km climb at 3.7%, but the Tour simply lops off the first 17km, all of which is under 4%. From there it's a slog over 12 switchbacks to the Verbier ski station. Not deadly, but definitely going to hurt. In hindsight: Totally underrated... plenty of guys got fried on that slope, at least by the speed of the ascent, which says the hill was hard enough to launch the race from.

Tuesday, Stage 16: Col du Grand-Saint-Bernard

Wong4_mediumStats: 24.4 km, avg. 6.2 %, max ?, Hors Catégorie

Rating: 4 Hurts a whole lot!

No route details for this one, alas. The climbbybike stats all seem to catalog the opposite side, from Aosta in Italy, so no help there. I don't know that there are any horrific ramps on this climb; just a long, long slog, past several of the greatest ski resorts in Europe.

Tuesday, Stage 16: Col du Petit-Saint-Bernard

Wong3_mediumStats:  22.6 km, avg. 5.1 %, max 8.2%, Catégorie 1

Rating: 3 Hurts even more.

The worst of it is a mere 8.2%; mostly it's a long slow grind. I suppose you could see attacks with about 5km to go on the climb, where there's a brief respite followed by the 8.2% km -- a nice place for a desperate challenger to rest and accelerate prior to the finishing descent. Otherwise, the grade doesn't likely lend itself to many attacks; just slowly detatching people occasionally. 

Wednesday, Stage 17: Cormet de Roselend

Wong2_mediumStats: 18.1 km, avg. 5.7 %, max 8.9%, Catégorie 1

Rating: 2 Hurts a little more.

Today's queen stage sends the riders straight up from the opening gun, starting with the Cat-1 Roselend. The grades are pretty steady, it appears, and the maximum comes after about 10km, giving the peloton a chance to warm up. Might put Kenny van Hummel into early difficulty, but otherwise I would imagine the heads of state won't mind this as a way to get the legs warmed up. Presumably it won't be raced at top speed, or anything close.

Wednesday, Stage 17: Col des Saisies

Wong3_mediumStats: 15.1 km, avg. 6 %, max 11% (?), Catégorie 1

Rating: 3 Hurts a little more.

In Gavia's preview she mentions that there aren't many flat spots in this stage. Well, from the looks of the map, this stage comes right after the descent off the Roselend, across a valley that's maybe six inches wide, before turning up again. Another long grind, mostly in the 6-7% range but with some 9% grades early and an 11% ramp about 10km up, just to be sure the mountain has your attention. [Warning: there's some disagreement between Gav's preview and what I gather is the right route, or at least the max grade. Might only be 8%. I'm open to correction, as always. In this case, it doesn't change the rating.]

Wednesday, Stage 17: Col de Romme

Wong4_mediumStats: 8.8 km, avg. 8.9 %, max 12.5%, Catégorie 1

Rating:  4 Hurts a whole lot!

Skipping the Côte d’Arâches (no côtes, just the cols!), the peloton reaches the Col de Romme after about 130km, where it's time to put on a serious hurt. Roughly half of this climb is between 10-12.5%, and the rest hovers in the 8% range, save for a brief pause in the middle. This may be the most decisive climb of the most decisive Alps stage, separated as it is from the final climb by a twisting descent. Those grades are more than enough to launch an attack, and to put some phenomenal athletes deep into the red. 

Wednesday, Stage 17: Col de la Colombière

Wong4_mediumStats: 7.5 km, avg. 8.5 %, max 10.2%, Catégorie 1

Rating: 4 Hurts a whole lot!

The link shows the route from farther out, but if you read the detailed map you can start charting this climb from Le Reposoir. That would be the part where it turns up past 8% and never relents, nudging past 10% right at the summit. Very few switchbacks or changes in grade: just point that front wheel up toward the sun and start grinding. Very nearly merits our highest rating, coming at the end of the queen stage, though I think it's a coin flip as to whether this or the Romme will be worse.

Saturday, Stage 20: Mont Ventoux

Wong5_mediumStats: 21.1 km, avg. 7.6 %, max 10.8%, Hors Catégorie

Rating: 5 Hurts worst!

This is the classic ascent, from the west, via Bedoin. Le Ventoux can also be approached from the due south and north, both of which are a bit more on-and-off though adding up to roughly similar distance and altitude. The west route, by comparison, is steady-on and unrelenting. As they put it at climbbybike:

The Mont Ventoux does not give you any rest until you reach the Chalet Renard. The climb never goes under 8% and there are long strokes of 10%+. Until you reach the chalet, where the climb gives you the opportunity to get some breath, or maybe even more if you opt for a little rest at the Chalet's terrace. Shame on you, cause we go further up, while it"s not even 7%... Not for too long, cause the climb gets harder again while reaching the top. You may consider yourself lucky if there is no wind trying to blow you from your saddle.

Charming. Unfortunately not even Kenny van Hummel can afford to pause at the Chalet. He and others might rejoice there in knowing that the longest, steepest slogs are behind them, but at some point I doubt a 7.5% ramp feels all that much easier than a 9% ramp did half an hour ago. And that's before you take into account the wind, which hits from the west side most directly, I believe. Have fun with that!

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Fantastic - well done!

A few thoughts:

(only one debate on ratings):

1. Personally, I think Cormet de Roselend is at least a 3 even & 3+. It is long (I have it at just over 20 kms) and there are a few easy kms, reducing the average. Anyway, it is certainly one of the most beautiful of the climbs (along with Grand St Bernard IMHO) – Johan Bruyneel went over the edge on this climb . Lower part of descent is FAST!

2. To help you “?”. My French climbs book has a max of 10% for the Swiss side of Grand St Bernard. It’s a long drag, but the several kms on the old (like 3000 years old) route is magical.

3. The reason the Saisies max might be confusing is there are at least 8(!) paved ways up this climb. Like Gavia, My book has 11% on the route (I believe) the Tour is taking. There is an interesting US / French war memorial at top (flags and all) commemorating the death of a US parachutists during a major weapons drop to French resistance.

4. Col de Romme is excellent – locals were excited when this little known road was added. STEEP! STEEP!

5. The last 3kms of Colombiere are brutal and ALWAYS against the wind (at least according to my wife).

6. Ventoux – yep – woooohooo can’t wait. (PS the south way via Sault is actually much easier than the other two ways – starting much higher and it’s longer/thus much less steep) it joins Bedoin route at the Chalet.

Great post!

sometimes life is a false flat

by Willj on Jul 20, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Côte d’Arâches

FYI, this is actually about the first third of the climb to Flaine ski station and Col de Pierre Carée
 (at 1841 metres ). One of the highest open winter climbs in north Alps as they plough for the ski station.

The Tour part is short, but part is along a cool cliff road. It’s still as tough as Col des Mosses – and steeper.

sometimes life is a false flat

by Willj on Jul 20, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here comes my two cents and between Will and I, seems you can almost make a Nickel

I rode the Big Bernard a few years ago, and, truth be told, didn’t find it that hard….but the constant switchbacks made it difficult to maintain a constant rhythm/speed and would make a fine place to take a flyer. The surface is usually in good shape as it is regularly repaved as this is a major crossing between Italy and Suisse.
As for the Ventoux, it’s a beast, it’s ugly, it hurts, and it’s never fun. I’ve climbed it several times and never really enjoyed it…and I will drive to the Pyrenees from Bordeaux (6 hours round trip) to ride in the mountains for the day.

BAH!!!!....Cavendish?!

TLP 7.0 Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent

by bradBordeaux on Jul 20, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent Climb Summary

Thanks!

Also, that is the best use of the word “obtuse” since Andy Dufresne.

by IowaAC on Jul 20, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

damn...

throwing down some Lo Pan … impressive.

by IowaAC on Jul 20, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hollow?

Respect the Shit List; it respects you.

by crashdan on Jul 20, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you crazy? Is that your problem?

I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man.

by Drew Davis on Jul 21, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

you know

we’ve been whining about the lack of good climby stages, but here we’ve got tons. We’ve had two mountaintop finishes. Now two climbs followed by descent finishes (great, non?), then finally the ventoux (which no one has been whining about). So should be a great week. I can’t wait. Need to get my ass over to the alps more. Will, how are the alps in september?

by yeehoo on Jul 20, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Will, how are the alps in september?

Usually great …. you just need an extra layer or two for descents – I have done Galibier (high!)and Alpe d’Huez in short sleeves (going up at least) as late as mid October (but don’t rely on it – been snowed on in September as well)

sometimes life is a false flat

by Willj on Jul 20, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

about the same thing for the CH Alps

except October is too late for the Bernese Oberland and eastern passes, but still ok for the Pre-Alps. But there are always a few passes that remain open year-round as access to ski resorts – I did the Ibergeregg in February in what must have been, after accounting for windchill, -15C going down, and it was ok.

by agostinho on Jul 20, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

indeed

this Tour has tested one’s patience, but I don’t think it’s a bad route at all.

Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 20, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would have preferred at least one hard mountain stage before the middle week

Would have loosened up the peloton for larger breaks both in number and gaps.

by whistlingmountain on Jul 20, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

if the crowds are big enough

he can expect lots of serious bum pushes from fans … the challenge for the crowd is to close up and block from view of the evil commissar.

(occasionally I think it’s a little humiliating for the rider the way they can get pushed up the hills.).

sometimes life is a false flat

by Willj on Jul 20, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dunno

if it’s a 7-hr ride, what’s the OOT cutoff?

Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!

by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 20, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both Tue & Wed are cat 4 stages

“Short & very difficult.” Percentages:
15 % au-delà de 35 km/h jusqu’à 36 km/h ;
16 % au-delà de 36 km/h jusqu’à 37 km/h ;
17 % au-delà de 37 km/h jusqu’à 38 km/h ;
18 % au-delà de 38 km/h jusqu’à 39 km/h ;
19 % au-delà de 39 km/h jusqu’à 40 km/h ;
20 % au-dessus de 40 km/h.

Wednesday to Le Grand-Bornand is 169.5 km. A 7 hour ride would mean 24.2 km/h … That seems a bit on the slow side ;-) I’d say 38 km/h doesn’t seem unfeasible, that would mean 18% of 4h27’37", or +48’10".

by tedvdw on Jul 20, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

What he could do with is Cavendish being dropped early

Columbia won’t abandon Cavendish, and that way Kenny wouldn’t be alone for too long

by William H on Jul 20, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well Bert's got 90 seconds... What ya gonna do.

This is his territory and I don’t see anyone getting over on him. With LA rolling into uber-domestique duty and bringing Klodi along with, I don’t see the Schleks, Sastres and Bah Garmen all rolled into one getting over on this kid. He just whupped Lance, what else you got? Great mountains, but Yellow is a done deal.

"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH

by ELVISGOAT on Jul 20, 2009 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Still a lot could happen

This is really the tour. AC is the favorite, but I expect to see guys like Sastre laying it down and others falling away.

by Markk on Jul 20, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

On wednesday, Evans and Sastre will probably show there faces though it will be just for getting higher on the classement...

They both know they can’t win but with all of those climbs back to back they will at least try to dish out some pain…

by Vlaanderen90 on Jul 20, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Astana really should put someone in the break.

Paulinho, Popovych, or Zubeldia. I think Paulinho. Let Popo take up Lance caretaking duties from Kloden. Zubeldia stay with Contador.

Then the next stage let Zubes do the break.

by ursula on Jul 21, 2009 12:01 AM EDT reply actions  

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