Tour Stage 17 Preview: Bourg Saint Maurice - Le Grand Bornand
Stage 17 :: Wednesday July 22, 2009
169.5km :: Bourg Saint Maurice - Le Grand Bornand
You want mountains? Well, welcome to a true Alpine stage. Bust out the crampons and ice axes boys because it's gonna be wicked tomorrow. Four, count 'em up, FOUR Cat.1 climbs en route tomorrow and a Cat.2 climb for which I am surprised that actual climbing gear won't be required; it goes vertically up a cliff face. These are the stages we dream about. Somewhere David Bowie is rewriting the song as "Sufferfest City"
On a quick side note, I wasn't able to watch the majority of the stage today, but I understand that Jens! Voigt suffered a concussion that may be re-classified as significant head trauma. I think I speak for everyone here in wishing him the absolute best and extend hopes for a full recovery. Personally, I believe that upon his recovery, he will come back to the spot of his crash, pull up the pavement with his bare fingers, and eat it.
It's an uphill start and I'm sure that Gav's got some deets on it...
If there is a flat spot in this stage, it is well hidden. This second stage in the French Alps is all up and down and is the hardest mountain stage of this year’s Tour de France. The climbing starts immediately after the depart in Bourg-Saint-Maurice, and the riders face five categorized climbs. The stage descends to a flat finish in Le Grand-Bornand, but it’s just 15 kilometers to the finish from the summit of the final climb, the Col de la Colombière. Only a small group will survive to contest the stage win, and this stage should alter the overall standings.
For these two stages in the Alps, the race organizers have kept the distances short to encourage the attacking riders. Both stages descend from the final climb to the finish, which will make it difficult, though not impossible, for the climbers to gain an advantage in the overall standings. The winner will have strong legs on the climbs and fearless skills on the descents. In short, he will be a complete rider.
Le Grand-Bornand sits surrounded by mountains in a glacier cut valley in the French Alps. A river runs through the town which serves as a ski destination during the winter. The most recent stage finish in Le Grand-Bornand came in 2007. Linus Gerdemann attacked on the Col de la Colombière and rode solo for the ten kilometers to finish. Gerdemann took over the race lead that day, and wore the Yellow Jersey for one day. Two weeks later, Alberto Contador celebrated the overall victory in Paris.
Courtesy of Gavia's Stage 17 Preview at Steephill.tv
I really, really dig the way this stage is laid out around the Côte d'Araches, but we've got a ways to go before we get there tomorrow. You can see from the way the red crayon is busted out at the start that the elevator ride to the lobby in the hotel is the only downhill the riders will see for a while. Straight out of Bourg Saint Maurice, 930m, it bolts right up to the Cat.1 Cormet de Roseland at 1968m. 938m elevation gain over 18km for an average gradient of 5.7%. I'm betting that was just on the verge of being designated hors catégorie.
There's a little flat shelf on the descent by the alpine lake "Barrage de Roseland", that leads to the Col de Méraillet, from which the road drops off a knifes edge into a ballsy canyon descent to Beaufort. From Beaufort (788m) though, that descent ends right quick and they will begin to climb 862m in elevation up the opposing side of the profile trough to the Cat.1 Col des Saises, 1650m. The length is listed at 15.1km over an average 6% gradient.
Finally a little bit of a flat area will be encountered through the intermediate sprint at Praz-sur-Arly (can someone explain to me why the town names in France have all these dashes?) and on to the Coq-au-vin in Oex. It doesn't last long though, because it's time for my favorite climb of the day: the Cat.2 Côte d'Arâches. ASO could have just driven the peloton by this and headed straight from Magland to Cluses, but no, there's a devious little plateau up there that can be ridden on, why not send them on up there. From Magland (540m) to the Côte d'Arâches (964m) is a short little 6.3m but it's 7%, and from the looks of it, a consistent 7%.
The peloton (breakaway + peloton + autobus + Kenny) will descend through Saint Sigismond (say that one outloud, it's fun!) into the area of Cluses for the second intermediate sprint, then turn south and continue with the climbing from Scionzier (call it 500m) to the Cat.1 Col de Romme, 1297m over a length of 8.8km. Only 8km but it's 8.9%. As the great modern poet of our times, Lil Jon, might say "That's naaasty".
There's sort of a false descent off of the Col de Romme to Reposoir, and then it's time for the final climb of the day up to the Cat.1 Col de la Colombière over a last, tilty 7.5km and 8.5% gradient. Over the Colombière (1618m) it's only 15km to the finish line in Grand Bornand (948m). By my math, that's a descent gradient of 4.5%, which seems to me that if they were going the other direction, it'd be classified Cat.1 too. That's a no BS descent. Be careful guys.
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Pray for Kenny
Can somebody please motor pace him?
Unfortunately
he’s generated so much interest that there will be too many witnesses.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 21, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
he's set himself up for a 3 hour breakaway tomorrow
by Burgundy and Gold on Jul 21, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I imagine he'll make his own grand depart sometime after dinner tonight then...
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I've always heard
that the LR is big in France, but is it big in the Netherlands? Hope he gets some sort of benefit for the struggle!
'used' to pay massively...
BAH!!!!....Cavendish?!
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by bradBordeaux on Jul 21, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Global recession...
… they give him a tub of “I can’t believe it’s not butter” and name a Swiss battle cow after him.
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All right, not as much as Armstrong in his winning days
Didn’t he ask something like € 100,000? He just picked one or two crits (or rather, just one crit would be able to pay him). I think Kenny could get at least € 1000 per crit and there are about 20 crits.
Sunday's TdF news report had two sections
one the race and the other Kenny. Kenny probably got more airtime than all the rest put together. Their reporter even took a crew out on the course to film himself giving Kenny a push.
Wait, you watch NOS Studio Sportzomer?!
(Yeah, I thought it was weird you posted a NOS screenshot the other day.) To be honest, that Kenny thing was a special interest piece, every day on another subject.
Although they did a quick Kenny update today, too. And an interview with the driver of the voiture balai, who admires Kenny for his daily solitary battles with the mountains.
Not as a rule
For one thing it’s usually scrambled, but I was trying to find some Dutch news sunday night just to see what they thought of Kenny, and for some reason NEDs 1 2 & 3 were in the clear. After spending half an hour watching people trying to ride home made bicycle contraptions across ropes suspended over the canals of Amsterdam I finally got lucky. Not that I understood it, just curiosity. And now it’s all scrambled again.
Lanterne Rouge roll-call
Three Times
Wim Vansevenant 06, 07, 08
Twice
Jimmy Casper 01, 04
Igor Flores 02, 05
Gerhard Schönbacher 79, 80
Mathieu Hermans 87, 89
Daniel Masson 22, 23
French 47x
Dutch 6x
British 2x
Belgium 12x
German 2x
Swiss 3x
Austria 2x (Schönbacher)
Italy 8x
Spain 5x
Algeria 1x
Dutch
BAH!!!!....Cavendish?!
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by bradBordeaux on Jul 21, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Brad a question
you may know the answer to.
Wouldn’t you still think that a guy like Kenny – the weakest link – would easily win a major Amateur event like Etape or La Marmotte? Or not necessarily.
My point is, he is still probably a pretty darn good cyclist.
sometimes life is a false flat
This is a good question.....
and there is no good way to answer it….
Take for example the fact that D. Champion just won the Etape in front of a Junior 2…Champion is not a renowned climber…..which would point to yes…
Then, look at the ascension times for the ‘autobus’ and a very fit (Elite/2) good climber goes up the mountain faster….but they don’t have an entire Tour in front or behind them.
Then, take guys that we race with, who had three year contracts with ProTour teams, come back to the amateur level and don’t win every race they start.
Honestly I don’t know if a guy like Kenny is going to do a better ride on a cyclo than a amateur level Elite who can really climb…..I’m leaning to no…however on a flattish stage where the ave speed is 47-49 for an hour or two…Kenny is always going to do better.
To return to your conclusion….Kenny is in F’in excellent, dedicated cyclist….you don’t get a ride in the TdF if your just ‘darn’ good. When you start to race at the elite amateur level, with all the diet and dedication it takes, and then see what the Pros have to do in terms of sacrifice/training/suffering..well, it’s astonishing
BAH!!!!....Cavendish?!
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by bradBordeaux on Jul 21, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
thx for thoughts
interesting stuff …. for someone that entered his 1st event in his 40s ;)
sometimes life is a false flat
Solo efforts
st9: 160.5 km, 4h 43’ 34" = 33.96 km/h
st15: 207.5 km, 5h 49’ 41" = 35.60 km/h
st16: 159 km, 4h 49’ 03" = 37.51 km/h
Useful details would be accumulated & net elevation.
Winner of the Marmotte (Bert Dekker, rode the Dutch champs a few times when it was still pro/elite-w/o-contract combined) did it in 6h 09’ 00" or 28.29 km/h for 174 km with 5000 m of climbing and 1100 m net gain. It was almost ideal weather, only a bit warm.
good comparison.....however....he didn't have a pro peloton steaming along the flat section at 45k/h
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by bradBordeaux on Jul 21, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, I just realized where you got those numbers...
Stage 9…he would have had close to 50k in the peloton
the other, don’t know where he got dropped, do you know….
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by bradBordeaux on Jul 21, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh right, st9 wasn't clear to me
(or rather, I didn’t look it up, sorry.)
st15: after 10 km
st16: after 20 km
how the hell was he dropped after 10 k on stage 15?
That’s quite an exploit in its own right….this guy has got some guts. Major props…..
BAH!!!!....Cavendish?!
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by bradBordeaux on Jul 21, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Tomorrow is closer to a Marmotte profile than other stages
;) Go Kenny!
sometimes life is a false flat
Grade/Elevation Charts
Cormet de Roselend
Col des Saisies

Cote Araches

Larger Chart
Col de la Colombiere via Col de Romme (last two combined)
sometimes life is a false flat
I love these charts
Thanks for continuing to post them for us!
Romme and Colombiere are nasty…. Romme starts at 10.5% for the first kilometer… wow. And stays pretty much 9-9.5 most of the way. Then Colombiere kicks your ass at 9-10% the last 3k.
The riders had better eat their Wheaties tomorrow morning.
And lets all pray for Kenny tonight!!!
I think it is Egoi Martinez time for a breakaway
No way can Pelizzoti go in another breakaway tomorrow. That would be like 5 in the entire tour!
yeah, i tought
tomorrow will be the Euskie revenge!
by semprenaroda on Jul 21, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Praz-sur-Arly (can someone explain to me why the town names in France have all these dashes?)
“sur” means “on”
Arly is probably a river. It is very common to name the town with respect to a river or other landmark.
sometimes life is a false flat
Yeah... but why the dashes...
… why isn’t just “Praz sur Arly”, instead of “Praz-sur-Arly”.
Igor: Do you also say, Frohderick?
Frankenstien: No, it’s Frederick.
Igor: I see.
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No idea, but
very annoying from a typing perspective, especially with the wonky capitalizations.
Meh.
Can we go back to Italy yet?
+Uno
Sick of typing accents yet, Gav? How often have you googled the name of the town so you can just cut and paste it into your previews :)
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Using Swiss-French keyboard
So accents are no problemo :-)
I do have trouble finding some of the alphanums, though, because they are in different spots. But not too bad. And I hàvé àll thè äccênts I cöuld évèr nééd.
I remember we had a brief discussion
while you were keyboard shopping.
Nice choice. Swiss- French – easy French accents and a touch of German ;))
sometimes life is a false flat
Yep
I dig the Swiss-French, works a charm. Closer to the US version than the French zerty which always makes my head hurt a tad. And I do heart me some umlaut ;-)
I didn’t actually buy one – I just have my OS set to read my keyboard as Swiss-French. I just don’t look at the keys and it all works out.
Touche Gavia...
… you can touch that up for me with your newfangly keyboard :)
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Frankly
it’s shoddy reporting that you don’t know how to spell Bourg-Saint-Maurice. It feels naked without the hyphens!! ;))
and maybe a Le Grand-Bornand
sometimes life is a false flat
always dashes for place names in French
I don’t know what the rule is though. But they’re always there. Check out a map of Quebec, you have Sainte-Foy, Saint-Sauveur, Saint-Laurent, etc. If you were referring to the actual saint, you’d just say Saint Laurent…but when it’s a place name it needs a dash. Don’t know why…
by plinytheelder on Jul 22, 2009 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Liggett on Cavendish
At one point during today’s race, Phil Liggett said that Mark Cavendish was in danger of timing out.
Tomorrow is another day…(Scarlett O’Hara)
This was probably mentioned already, but I just can't help it...
Tour 2004., stage 17. on July 22, finish in Le Grand Bornard.
Stage winner: Lance Armstrong
Tour 2009., stage 17. on July 22, finish in Le Grand Bornard
Stage winner: …
Can’t wait to see what happens tomorrow, weird coincidences or not.
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good point
beat Kloden by an inch in a similar sort of stage – 5 or so biggish climbs on a very hot day with a (not TOO long) descent to the finish
sometimes life is a false flat
go klodi....
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