Tour Stage 18 Preview: Annecy ITT
Stage 18 :: Thursday July 23, 2009
40.5km :: Annecy - Annecy
Animation on the GC Podium today as the climbers strutted their stuff. Tomorrow though, no team mates will pace you, no alliances will save you; one man enters, one man leaves (obviously it's not Thunderdome). The Annecy time trial is upon us.
Here in the capital of the Haute-Savoie we'll see round two of the three round GC slug fest. Today was round one with a smorgasbord of mountains. Tomorrow, round 2 with the individual time trial, and finally Saturday when anyone that has anything left in the tank, will sacrifice every last bit of their being to climb the standings by climbing Ventoux. High drama awaits!
UPDATE: Start times listed here (CEST). EST = -6 / PST = -9. (h/t William H below for the link.)
My current hatred of Danilo Di Luca interrupts my usual banter with Gavia.
The crono course traces the lake in the city of Annecy. The course is mostly flat, interrupted by one category 3 climb. Annecy sits in the shadow of the Alps, just below the Col de la Forclaz. Run-off from the Alpine snows feeds the lake, which is known for its clarity, and a series of canals runs through the city. Annecy’s iconic landmark is the 12th century Palais de l'Isle, a grey stone fortress which sits in the middle of the canal du Thiou.
Annecy has hosted the Tour de France twice before this year’s edition. Both previous visits came during the 1959 Tour, when both a start and finish took place in the lake-side city. Rolf Graf won stage 19, which finished in Annecy, while Brian Robinson won the following stage which began there. Frederico Bahomontès wore the Yellow Jersey on both days, and celebrated overall victory in Paris that year. Bahomontès won the mountains classification six times at the Tour de France, though he only won the general classification once. Nicknamed the Eagle of Toledo, he also achieved the rare feat of winning the mountains jersey in all three of cycling’s grand tours.
Courtesy of Gavia's Stage 18 Preview at Steephill.tv
Flat, flat, bump, flat. That's right, the ITT course profile is remarkably similar to Rabobank's season.
There are several sharp bends on the course, but the weather report for Annecy tomorrow lists a temperature 86°F (30°C for all you Euros out there) with only a 20% (20% for all you Euros out there) chance of precipitation.
Three quarters of the way around the course is the Cat.3 Côte de Bluffy, which builds 233m of elevation over it's 3.7km. That's a sharp and nasty 6% to have to manage all by yourself. The summit of the Côte de Bluffy also serves as the third time check on course.
In case you were wondering who Bluffy is...

PodiumCafe member Mark T1979, has a fan post up with first hand pictures, accounts and pronouncements regarding the Annecy time trial route. Have a look at it here.
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Bluffy is actually DiLuca . . .
CERA has some nasty side effects.
who will be the last man to finish
Schleck or Contador.
by whistlingmountain on Jul 22, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions
Andy may be slow... but I don't think he's THAT slow...
Are the final group going off at 2:00 intervals or 3:00?
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yes it's 3 min for the last 10 riders or so
and I think Contador’s gap to him will be over 2 min, so it could be close.
by whistlingmountain on Jul 22, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Bruyneel Interview With El Pais
He basically announces he will be with Armstrong next year as he is much closer to Armstrong than Contador. Not surprising but maybe wait until the end of the Tour?
Key parts – "P. Usted, sin embargo, está más cerca de Armstrong. ¿Observa celos en Contador?
R. A Alberto le he dicho desde el principio que mi relación con Lance va más allá de la que puedo tener con cualquier otro corredor del equipo. Hemos vivido muchas cosas juntos desde 1999 y no es sólo una relación corredor-mánager o corredor-director. Y si me siento con Lance en el avión a Limoges, en ningún momento pienso que no sea la cosa más normal del mundo. Si los medios lo quieren manipular… Pero no es tan importante lo que los medios piensan o dicen. Intento hacer las cosas bien, las cosas que mejor me hacen sentir, nunca hago algo que vaya contra mi forma de ser.
P. Con el pasado le une Lance, con el presente, también. ¿Su futuro pasa más por Lance o por Alberto?
R. Hay varios elementos que hay que tener en cuenta. El primero es lo que ha pasado con el patrocinador del equipo este año, lo que deja clara una cosa, que mi futuro no está en Astana. Ya se vio muy claro en Mónaco con la conferencia de prensa de Vinokúrov, y desde entonces espero a ver qué pasa, pero está claro. Para mí es inimaginable seguir en el equipo si Vinokúrov vuelve. Eso por un lado. Por otro, el futuro profesional de cada uno depende de lo que quiera cada uno. Es muy probable que yo haga otro equipo y es muy probable que Lance esté en ese equipo. En cuanto a Alberto, es otra cosa. Depende de cómo vean las cosas él y su entorno. He hablado de ello con él, le he dicho abiertamente cuál era mi intención y le he preguntado qué pensaba. Digamos que ya sé que hay muchos interesados en Alberto, y que hay una cierta incompatibilidad entre Lance y Alberto. Eso no quiere decir que hayamos cerrado la puerta, ni él ni nosotros. Eso es lo último que hemos hablado.
. . . P. ¿Cómo cambió la relación con Contador tras conocerse el regreso de Armstrong en mitad de la Vuelta?
R. No cambió ese día, aunque comprendí que para él sería una situación difícil. Intenté ponerme en su lugar y comprendí que no era nada fácil. Si yo tuviera 25 o 26 años y me pasara eso, no sé cómo habría reaccionado, pero no muy bien. No sé lo que habría hecho, y por eso comprendo ciertas reacciones.
P. ¿La fricción con Contador comenzó antes o entonces?
R. No ha sido tanto una fricción. En 2007 estuvimos bien, en 2008, ¡ummm…!, bien, pero simplemente profesional. Por una razón u otra, nunca ha habido un clic químico entre los dos. No sé cuál es la razón, y él puede decir lo mismo de mí. Hay gente que se lleva bien y gente que no tanto, pero no hay ningún conflicto."
ROUGH TRANSLATION — "Q -. You are closer to Armstrong. Do you see jealousy from Contador? Contador?
BRUYNEEL. I told alberto from the beginning my relationship with Lance goes much further than it ever could with any other cyclist. We have lived many thing together since 1999 and it is not only a director-cyclist relationship. And if I sit with Lance on the plane to Limoges, it seems the most natural thing in the world to me. If the Media want to manipulate it . . . but it is not very important what the Media thinks.or says. I try to do things the right way, that make the most sense to me. I do not go against my own judgment.
Q. the past unites you to Lance. the preent as well. Is your future more with Lance or with Alberto?
BRUYNEEL. There are various elements to take into account. the first is what has happened with the team sponsor this year, which leaves clear one thing – I have no future with Astana. We saw clearly in Mónaco with the press conference of Vinokúrov, And, since then I am waiting to see what happnes, but that is clear. For me it is impossible to imagine continuing on Astana if Vinokúrov returns. That on one side. On the other, the professional future of each of us deends on what we want. It is very probable that I form a new team and it is very probable that Lance will be on that team. With regard to Alberto, that is a different matter. It depends on how he sees things. I have spoken with him about this, and I have expressly told him my intentions and asked him what he thinks. Of course we all know that many are interested in Alberto, and that there is a certain incompatibility between Lance and Alberto. That is not to say we have closed any doors, neither he nor us.
. . . Q. How did your relationship with Contador change after it was announced that Armstrong would join Astana in the middle of la Vuelta?
BRUYNEEL. It did not change that day, although I understand that for Alberto it was a difficult situation. I tried to put myself in his position and I understood it was not easy. If I was 25 o 26 and this happened to me, I do not know how I would have reacted, but not very well, and that is why I understood certain reactions.
Q. The friction with Contador began before or after?
R. Not exactly friction. In 2007 we were good. In 2008, ¡ummm…!, good, but professional.For some reason or other we have never had a good chemistry. I do not know why, and he can say the same about me. There are people who get along well and those who do not, but there is no conflict."
Also of interest
“P. ¿Antes de empezar pensaba que podía ganar el Tour con cualquiera de los dos o sólo con Alberto?
Q: Before the Tour did you think you could win with both or only with Alberto?
R. No. Siempre he pensado que sólo lo podía ganar con Alberto, aunque durante la carrera ha habido momentos en los que Lance me ha sorprendido por su nivel, por ejemplo en Arcalís y en los Vosgos, porque en Verbier ha estado por debajo de su nivel, o en su nivel, no sé. Pero la lógica dice que Contador era el más fuerte. Antes y durante la carrera. Ahora Lance es segundo, y no sé si podrá resistir ahí o no, no es nuestro objetivo. Pero es segundo, y hace unos meses nadie le habría creído capaz.
BRUYNEEL – No. I always thought I could only win the Tour with Alberto . . "
Wow
All this nonsense in the middle of the race. I wonder how Alberto can deal with all of it?
+ about a million...
‘I tried to put myself in Alberto’s siutation…’
Was that before or after you threw him under the bus, then backed up over him to make sure, Johann? What an unprofessional tool. Truly.
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
did anyone see
the recap espn did on sportscenter last nite? f’n hilarious…they kept calling alberto, cantador… at first i thought it was an accident, then i realized the sportscaster was either just repeating his own dumb joke or seriously sprung on armstrongs nut.
Hell Yesss
by Grinder Rule #42 on Jul 22, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions
I can see why the Johan / Alberto relations might be difficult
but not bad. Johan will always have Lance 1st in his heart and mind, and after Manolo Saiz took Alberto under his wing as a teenager, what manager could replicate that level of trust and respect.
Together, Johan and Alberto have conquered the world and all three GTs, but neither is the partner the other really wants.
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confirming again the time that Andy
did in the prologue, isn’t so bad at all. 1 minute for Cancellara, and 30 seconds for Levi!! I don’t think he can win time to Conta, or Wiggins, Kloden… but against Armstrong, Niballi for exemple, i think he will loose not more than 30 seconds. For Conta, a maximum of 2 minutes….
i believe he has been progressing slowly in TT, but he has progressing. About Frank, his another history…
I'm not sure we've seen the best that Armstrong can time trial in the Tour...
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Well, I can't speak to motivation...
… but I can speak to the fact that he’d probably have done better back in Monaco if he had gone out later, rather than leaving early in the start times.
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I think you are right, semp.
Andy is not bad as a time trialist. Not great, but decent. The flatness of the course won’t work in his favor, unlike the Monaco course. Plus he has quite a gap back to Kloden and Wiggins, his biggest threats for 2nd place. If either does manage to overtake him in the TT it won’t be by much and he has the confidence that he’ll get it back on Ventoux.
Say
anyone know if the start times for tomorrow have been posted anywhere yet?
Crowds should be huge tomorrow
Annecy is a cycling Mecca – climbs in all directions. Strangely though the ride around the lake is generally to be avoided as the traffic can be awful in summer on long stretches.
I think Cancellara has a shot tomorrow.

sometimes life is a false flat
Did you get anything else for your soul...
… besides location and camera craft?
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from appearances
the ability to climb heinous mountains on a bicycle
anybody notice...
…that Cancellara finished second to last today? That tells me he thinks he can win the time trial.
by Merry Crankster on Jul 22, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Sparticus
Fabian and half of my VDS team at the back of the bus – just short of the top of last climb today. He looks pretty relaxed to me.

sometimes life is a false flat
Benna sighting!
In the autobus. Well done Benna. Now TRY AND FIND THE PODIUM YOU %$#@!!!!!
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Petacchi, Benna, Ballan, Di Luca...
… if it weren’t for Nocentini and Jen Grey, the Italians would be dead to me.
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I have Ballan on the blacklist up there...
… Pippo never made a single draft of either my public or Ed. Liga VDS rosters.
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Winds up to 40 kmh and possible rain
Forecast for tomorrow. Head/crosswind on the way out, reverse on the way back.
Good luck to the Schlecks and Contador with that.
Cancellara could make the rest of the field look like 157 Kenny Van Hummels.
+1
And let’s see whether Wiggins has any gas left in his tank . . . .
He surely will
It’s impossible to tell whether Wiggins was really struggling today or if he was holding back in the knowledge that effort spared today will be available tomorrow. In interviews he seems to feel he understands what he has to do for the rest of the week, and they scouted the course on Monday.
In an 4-minute audio interview embedded on this BBC news page Matt White says: “He’s going to be very competitive”… “This race is not over”. IMHO the interview is a refreshingly straightforward Q&A, and a BS-free zone.
Excellent find!
And it is amazing to think that Alberto Contador thinks his biggest rival and worry is Bradley frickin Wiggins. Unbelievable.
BBC radio
has been doing online audio commentary for the last 90 mins of each stage. It’s ok & I sometimes have it on in the office if I’m sick to death of Sean Kelly’s (admittedly often insightful) mumbling or I can’t get Eurosport & am too busy to concentrate on say RAI. The best thing is, though, they get loads of interviews & quite often with people you don’t hear from too much.
I don't know
but it didn’t look to me that he was holding back. In his own words: “it was hard.”
If he was holding back, then I’m impressed because he was willing to loose 187 seconds!!!! What a remarkable guy.
he had that moment where he got stuck
when Armstrong blocked & then lost all his momentum… by all accounts when he got over the line he was more cross than anything, which sounds about right…
But I’m not convinced he’ll win. He has a habit of coming second or third in these things. (He & garmin were clearly made for each other…)
Hope it's one of those forecasts
that turn out to be wrong! Sounds ugly!
BS!
buffy looks like at least a cat 2! Maybe not steep, but a very gradual and lengthy bump!
Vamos Alberto!!!(Contador not Ricco)
nah it's pretty small - but cool for a TT
(bluffy)
But as Mark said elsewhere …. some very steep bits.
sometimes life is a false flat
Hehe, you got what I meant, Will not so much :)
and bluffy, sorry.
Vamos Alberto!!!(Contador not Ricco)
Of course, post a picture of you climbing the actual bluffy
and now I will go back to being jealous(grumble)
Vamos Alberto!!!(Contador not Ricco)
Foul weather
Latest report for this afternoon, from http://france.meteofrance.com/france/meteo?PREVISIONS_PORTLET.path=previsionsville%2F740100%2F20090723150000
- showers, some thunder
- temp 24°C
- wind 20 km/h with gusts 55 km/h
Annecy is in an orange warning area with thunderstorms: “Soyez très vigilant; des phénomènes dangereux sont prévus ; tenez-vous au courant de l’évolution de la situation et suivez les conseils de sécurité émis par les pouvoirs publics.”

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