Deep Breath...
by Chris... on Jul 23, 2009 3:11 PM EDT
in Cafe Happy Hour!
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It's been a crazy, exciting, frenzied couple of days. Comment threads are overloaded and packed with debate and analysis. Frankly, it's all a little much. So here is an image to help you relax your mind. Use this thread as the second post-race one.
[Artwork by Crashdan]
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time to start getting Vueltabecco going Chris...
by plinytheelder on Jul 23, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, pull her off the slopes and inform her that vaca is over.
by ZoeRochelle on Jul 23, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh that must have been accidental...
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by crashdan on Jul 23, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah. That's a cool abbreviation of vacation donchaknow? Sorry guys.
by ZoeRochelle on Jul 23, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be sorry, it was apropos: means cow in Spanish
by tedvdw on Jul 23, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
diet dr pepper snorted through nose is painful!
poor tourbecco – you’re calling him a cow now…
Bah... Garmin.
by cg. on Jul 23, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No cg Vueltabecco is a her. I decided there's been too many boy beccos so its the girl's turn.
by ZoeRochelle on Jul 23, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus um, without at least some girl beccos, it's hard to have *any* beccos...
…and at the rate they keep dying off, they’re going to need to be replaced.
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
by Ed K on Jul 23, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Ed K. Boys + Girls = Beccettes
by ZoeRochelle on Jul 23, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone remember what the actual name of the goat...
…was in the first place, the one that Girbecco was modeled after?
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
by Ed K on Jul 23, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stambecco
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Jul 23, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh, been trying to remember that for days.
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
by Ed K on Jul 23, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also called a Steinbock
literally rock goat. AKA Ibex.
by JFS_PGH on Jul 24, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steinbock, is that some cross between
Bock beer and Warsteiner?
by tedvdw on Jul 24, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I council against drinking anything
having to do with a steinbock.
BTW, I’m told Capricorn is also called the Steinbock, so maybe there is some time-of-year connection there. Holy shit, google that, and the speculation does come up.
by JFS_PGH on Jul 24, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tourbeccow was a girl.
Throughout the stage all I kept on thinking was: ‘don’t finish second, you can’t finish second again’.--Heinrich Haussler
by majope on Jul 23, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Spain, absolutely...
…I nuno in Italy…
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
by Ed K on Jul 23, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That... is NOT... a TourbecCOW...
that’s a tourbecbull. I can tell these things.
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by crashdan on Jul 23, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah sure surely be Torobecco or some such thing
by plinytheelder on Jul 23, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well played, Pliny...
… well played.
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by crashdan on Jul 23, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
best Vuelta Becco
I have heard yet
sometimes life is a false flat
by Willj on Jul 23, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Osborne bull
Some info here. I like the part with the Basques raising a Basque sheep instead.
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Jul 23, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like he had an orchiectomy.
LA would approve!
by rawls on Jul 23, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Magnificently appropriate...
… since, as Gavs (hehehehe) mentioned, we are heading into the Dauphiné region, replete with sunflowers. Nice to see Tourbecco soaking up the sun amidst the lovely Gallic flora.
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by crashdan on Jul 23, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It looks like Tourbecoo is doing a Moreau
all over the nice sunflowers
sometimes life is a false flat
by Willj on Jul 23, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
[cleaning keyboard now...]
ABRUZZIAM...uh oh
by Chris... on Jul 23, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lovely image there Dan
But why do I get the feeling Savant is just off frame waiting to pounce Tourbecco. ;-)
by Veloki on Jul 24, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris, you are made of 100% pure awesome.
Brooklyn Chewing Gum: Vlaanderens Mooiste
by Koppenberg on Jul 23, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
now,
can we get this in a 1280 × 1024 size for wallpaper?
Brooklyn Chewing Gum: Vlaanderens Mooiste
by Koppenberg on Jul 23, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i do have it
in hi-res…
ABRUZZIAM...uh oh
by Chris... on Jul 23, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't trust that goat
Look at his eyes, he’s pure evil.
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Jul 23, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably a stupid question
but I put it out there – besides picking up 40 seconds on Saxo and the Schlecks and 18 seconds on Garmin and Wiggins, has being on Astana helped Contador at all in this Tour?
I ask this not because I doubt that Bruyneel was working more for a high position for Armstrong than doing anything for Contador. I do not doubt it at all.
But what benefit did Contador get out of being on Astana? In the el pais interview I posted about here, Armstrong said:
Q: Can you beat Alberto, in any event? ARMSTRONG: I don’t think so this year. Alberto is super, and I am sure he will but just as good in the time trial. If he avoids errors, which I am sure he will, nobody can beat him. Next year . . . that is another story. This year, also, it was more difficult because we were on the same team, I have to respect that, I can’t attack him, I can’t exploit his bad moments, if he has them, but if I was on another team .
(My emphasis.) Could Astana, sans Contador, have beaten a Contador on another team? Thoughts?
by BTD on Jul 23, 2009 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
You’re probably right that Astana didn’t do anything specifically or Contador, and rather they did a great job of really protecting 4 riders for a while, and then 3 after Levi.
I think it’s pretty obvious that Contador was not beatable this year. He was never put into difficulty, while every single other rider was on multiple occasions.
Every year is different, and you have to wonder if Contador goes to a new Spanish team that is poorly run if his training will suffer, his team will be weak, and a couple powerful teams like Saxo wouldn’t be able to make him suffer.
by whistlingmountain on Jul 23, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TTT is another factor
if that new Spanish team drops 4 or 5 minutes to RadioShack next year, then, sure, AC is beatable
by Le Comte on Jul 23, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TTT next year?
Is that set in stone? Obviously it had been years since they have done it.
by BTD on Jul 23, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They haven't released the route right? But I doubt there will be a TTT two years in a row.
by whistlingmountain on Jul 23, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Conta is on a crap team
there will be a TTT
ABRUZZIAM...uh oh
by Chris... on Jul 23, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, why?
Conta was on an amazing team this year, and there was one.
by Mark T1979 on Jul 23, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the Contador supremacy wasn't set in stone
after this Tour it is.
by Jens on Jul 23, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it is.
As stated above, no one was beating Bert this year, nor for the next several it looks to me. No way LA and JB could have beaten him. That’s why they diss him, he’s taken the shine off of their apple, licked the red off their candy.
Bert went mano a mano with LA / JB, while on their team, and did not blink.
Professional to the (near) end… more so then the cringing, complaining, cryptic symboled Lance.
Simple… Bert hurts LA’s brand.
Next years TdF will be the most hyped ever. Teh Lance vs. Evil Bert.
"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH
by ELVISGOAT on Jul 23, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Evil Bert
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by crashdan on Jul 23, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only Lance can save the day.
"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH
by ELVISGOAT on Jul 23, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean... is there anything the internet DOESN'T contain at this point?
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by crashdan on Jul 23, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That RULES!
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
by Ed K on Jul 23, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh man
my son loves the whole evil bert meme . . .
by R Mc on Jul 23, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is the earliest PdC reference
to “Evil Bert”?
"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH
by ELVISGOAT on Jul 23, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Versus will be a hoot
to watch. Bob Roll especially.
by BTD on Jul 23, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not a TTT two years in a row?
They had a TTT in each year of 2000 through 2005, so that’s 6 in a row. So I don’t think it’s a given there won’t be one next year (though, personally, I’d be for not having one)
by Le Comte on Jul 23, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I vote for an mountain top finish uphill TT
Plateau de Beille, or somewhere similar
sometimes life is a false flat
by Willj on Jul 23, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mountain TTT
That would be fun. Or chaos.
by Mark T1979 on Jul 23, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha ha!
For the ultimate destruction of Rabobank’s chances.
by Mark T1979 on Jul 23, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You meant, of Rabobank...
…the cycling team.
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
by Ed K on Jul 23, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you suggesting that the bank itself should take part in the TTT?
by Mark T1979 on Jul 23, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, just that the team might not actually have anyone in the race...
…after such a stage.
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
by Ed K on Jul 23, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
remember contador is going to eeevuul garmin
they will kick ass in ttt
by yeehoo on Jul 23, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be too good.
Only Evil Bert can rehabilitate Evil Garmin. Evil+Evil = Greatness.
"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH
by ELVISGOAT on Jul 23, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Though Caisse isn’t poorly run, so in that one case, I think he’d be good to go. Not sure about the mythical new team.
ABRUZZIAM...uh oh
by Chris... on Jul 23, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes , money is terrific
but infrastructure is crucial. A major reason Bruyneel was brought on Astana. Instant ready.to-go infrastructure.
by Jens on Jul 23, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet Bert goes to CdE
"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH
by ELVISGOAT on Jul 23, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if Bert goes to Garmin and their evil chronomen they already have
It will be light’s out. Down Goes Frasier! Down Goes Frasier!
by ursula on Jul 23, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't know what Ali had agains't the guy...
ALI BOMAYE! ALI BOMAYE!
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by crashdan on Jul 23, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
:: forehead slap ::
Did I really just put an apostrophe in “against”?
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by crashdan on Jul 23, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought
at first you were talking :: forhead slap:: for Frazier with that prominent forhead.
Skipper: He's one of us, men. You all know the Penguin Credo.
Kowalski: Never bathe in hot oil and Bisquick?
by Clydesdale on Jul 23, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems to make sense
but who knows?
by Le Comte on Jul 23, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It depends because if he was on a team that had a crappy team time trial it would definitely be closer
but you even then it would be hard to keep him from taking time in the mountains.
by Vlaanderen90 on Jul 23, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which also raises this issue for me
Did Bruyneel undermine his own reputation as a brilliant director by, in essence, making it look like Contador was basically riding on his own, apart from the team, and oftentimes in contravention to his instructions?
In other words, did Bruyneel outsmart himself here, favoring Lance? Obviously, or at least obviously to me, Contador will never ride for Bruyneel again and I doubt he will have many kind words for Bruyneel now.
Armstrong will form a team for the 2010 Tour with Bruyneel and presumably that team will be built for Armstrong. What if Armstrong does not win? What in fact, Armstrong does not even make the podium?
Bruyneel will have sacrificed a professional relationship with likely one of the dominant rider of the next 5 years for what exactly?
by BTD on Jul 23, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think people who want to see Brunyeel lose are expecting it to be devastating on him, when in reality..
I think he looks much happier race to race with Lance on the team than in the couple years without. He probably makes way more money via sponsorships and projects with him. They’re close friends.
I really don’t see how his life or history would suffer if he never has a tour winning rider again, he’s now had what? 9? He makes 3-5 million a year salary?
I think he’ll be ok, regardless of what happens.
by whistlingmountain on Jul 23, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but it is weird
to have a DS jeopardising a relationship with the best stage-race rider of his generation, for more buddy time with Lance.
Even if it involves (probably) a lot more cash.
by Mark T1979 on Jul 23, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it would be weird if Lance was just a good racer and Bruyneel and he had not won 7 tours together.
I don’t think he requires more tour de france champions to validate his career. He’ll probably just retire with Lance the next time Lance retires. Plus there’s always the challenge of unseating a true champion. Could be fun for him.
Anyway, I don’t know how much he jeopardized it though aside from basically staying mute while Lance tweets little jabs at Contador. Bruyneel always seems very attentive to him, speaks spanish to him, brought a spanish rider on board for him. Sends Kloden with him. shrug
by whistlingmountain on Jul 23, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
Bruyneel has been sniping at Contador publically.
I assume at the behest of Armstrong.
by BTD on Jul 23, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
Well, I think it has been pretty plain on the Kloden incident. On the Arcalis break. Not stopping Armstrong and Leipheimer from criticizing Contador. Heck, a lot of Versus interviews.
Let me put it this way, in the Spanish press, it is perceived that way. I certainly think it is accurate.
by BTD on Jul 23, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you
but I thought I said that. The only thing I have seen him do “against” contador, is being idle while Lance ( and Levi that one time, but mostly Lance ) jabs at him constantly with little underhanded tweets.
I don’t know what goes on behind the scenes afterward for Bruyneel to try to stop that, maybe he tries and Lance just can’t help himself because he’s an inner ultra-competitive jerk who likes to push buttons of all current and potential future competitors. Just saying that Bruyneel hasn’t done the sniping, at least not that I’ve seen.
by whistlingmountain on Jul 23, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw some sniping from Bruyneel
So I do disagree with you on that.
by BTD on Jul 23, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, no, no... you're supposed to yell and rant at each other!
This “I do disagree with you” stuff isn’t gonna hack it.
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by crashdan on Jul 23, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a reverse logic moderator?
sometimes life is a false flat
by Willj on Jul 23, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
These aren't the droids you're looking for...
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by crashdan on Jul 23, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
Here is a funny thing. I am a pretty active American politics blogger – known in that strange world as a complete hothead – with merit.
I have had long discussion about blogging communities and rule of the road etc., and I have to say, this blogging community is by far the best one I have seen in terms of combining civility with fun. sometimes the two do not work well together.
Hats off to Chris and the rest of you.
by BTD on Jul 23, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
just remember no revealing here
whether you are red state or blue state ( or a Nader nut)
:)
sometimes life is a false flat
by Willj on Jul 23, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh for sure
If any of you are into political blogging – please let’s not bring it here. Nothing could ruin a blogging community faster.
by BTD on Jul 23, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No talk of politics or religion allowed here. Chris' rules.
by ZoeRochelle on Jul 23, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but garmin is a bunch of republican christians
yes?
by agostinho on Jul 23, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zabriskie isn't
(LDS/Mormon that is) – think he’s commented on being a loner as a result while growing up in Utah
by guidemd on Jul 23, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also mentionned wanting to become a superhero
But he failed because there was no crime in his area
by MathieuG on Jul 23, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that includes the 1932 Ashes series
(you can categorise it under either, or both)
by Lou... on Jul 23, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is part of why this works so well.
There’s an occasional snark or current events type joke, but mostly we behave.
by JFS_PGH on Jul 24, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Recommended and I agree. First thing I noticed when I was a newbie.
Now if 4 other rec this it’ll turn green!
by ZoeRochelle on Jul 23, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd- that's two
And for the record- I hate BTD’s guts. ;)
by ursula on Jul 23, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
jb didn't let horner ride...
that was for bert and against lance. (i discount the k right — he had to obey the money on that one).
Bah... Garmin.
by cg. on Jul 23, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who would you have taken off
the team in favor of Horner?
by BTD on Jul 23, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
y'know . . .
as it’s turned out, Murayev has been a strong tempo rider. I’m not sure how much help either Horner or Leipheimer would have actually provided on this route—although they perhaps could have upset the Saxo-nation.
by R Mc on Jul 23, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
I put him down pre-Tour but Muravyev was a great rider for the team. On the other end, I thought Zubeldia was not nearly as good as I thought he’d be.
by ursula on Jul 23, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zubeldia has been riding tempo on the climbs pretty decently
but he gets the early climb grunt work spot and Kloden keeps getting all the money shots. Horner would have done as good a job as Zubeldia, plus he would have been more entertaining from a post race interview perspective. I miss that this tour…
by Jimbo... on Jul 23, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyone supporting bert!
but i’m unabashedly a lance-fan.
my dream team was lance, levi, horner and then the best of the rest. I also started a bit of a craze in pre-race threads suggesting that JB leave bert home. (horrors. i know. just not a fan.)
sadly – i’d have left the k. guy off, but again the money rules this one since they up right before the show started…
Bah... Garmin.
by cg. on Jul 23, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's the point in racing if the best competition isnt there...
sorta like last years tour. While respectable, it just wasnt the same.
by Cycho on Jul 23, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
paulinho is portuguese... not spanish
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by umwolverine on Jul 24, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, only, then....why contest the frigging TdF? Why remain as a DS?
Why hire Alberto? Sure, he said he was kinda burnt out before hiring Contador. But it looks to me like he was a motivator, not a passive participant, in Lance’s return. sort of makes Alberto into the kid he’s boinking while separated from his spouse, and then shoving out the door when the reconciliation happens.
Since when is sending one rider with your team leader a normal level of support?
by JFS_PGH on Jul 24, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You ignore the power of the ego
Bruyneel, like most successful people, has a huge ego. No doubt it was necessary for his success.
If this experiment flops with Armstrong (and defining a flop will be interesting – does Armstrong have to win in 2010? If not, what result is necessary?, it will be a serious blow to Bruyneel’s reputation and ego.
In fact, I think his reputation would definitely suffer if this is it for him in terms of winning riders. Irt was a real throw of the dice.
by BTD on Jul 23, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're ignoring what's right in front of you
Bruyneel would rather lose with Lance than win with anyone else.
by whistlingmountain on Jul 23, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting thought
It goes against my experience in life.
by BTD on Jul 23, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, it seems Bruyneel would rather lose with Lance
Than win with anyone else. And it makes me like him better. I hope Lance returns the sentiment, but I’m not sure.
by tgartner on Jul 23, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree too.
Johan + Lance is where’s it’s at.
Yeah, Johan going back to Lance makes little sense in a way (if you think winning as much as possible the only definition to success) and I think Johan in particular handled it poorly form day one where the news took over the Vuelta last year (where it even flustered Levi) but there you are.
Johan’s rep took a hit in 2006 when Disco did so poorly in that Tour. He got some back in 07 with Bert, but the bloom is off- Johan needs a great rider more than a great rider needs him. Still, he’s as good a Grand Tour DS as anyone else going these days. But next year he ain’t gonna win the Tour.
by ursula on Jul 23, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't JB pretty much the only person
that LA has shown a consistent loyalty to?
by Sui Juris on Jul 23, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some sponsors
have benefited greatly from his allegiance.
Others have felt the wrath.
by australopithecine on Jul 23, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, apparently
(after seing the picturegallery)
by Jens on Jul 23, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I'm sure all the girls you've dated have been the United Colors of Benetton...
… bullshit. They’ve all been…
… well …
probably blonde, hot and Swedish.
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fuck
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by crashdan on Jul 23, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, I don't even have to do any work here
by Jens on Jul 23, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny thing...
… that’s what your mom told me last night, Trebek!
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by crashdan on Jul 23, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course... the Benneton girls weren't um...
bad either.
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
by Ed K on Jul 23, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
definitely sounded that way
from an interview someone translated and put up yesterday. I can understand it in a heartbeat.
by yeehoo on Jul 23, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh
interesting thought. is Lance only holding the third step warm for Frank today because of Bert? ie…has it been to his advantage to be a protected rider on a team with the undisputed to-be-winner?
"Never swing a small stick. " Andy Hampsten
by Hons on Jul 23, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
majope??? ursula??
I think this is a strong argument.
by R Mc on Jul 23, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Present!
What is the question exactly? (majope I think is giving a little talk to Black Unicorn.)
by ursula on Jul 23, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much has Armstrong benefitted from being a protected
non-leader?
by R Mc on Jul 23, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm. Hard to say.
Do I think he would have done better if the team didn’t have Bert? Would he have won?
No I don’t think so. This Tour was set up beautifully for him to be in contention for as long as he was. (Same for Wiggins though that was a collateral effect). It was very backloaded so as long as Lance didn’t fuck up somewhere before Verbier he was always gonna be in contention entering the final week. I should ad that it wasn’t all the course though. As we know Johan always built a good Tour team full of solid domestiques. Even without Bert they probably would have won the TTT and Lance was smart in making the break on that windy stage early on.
But Lance is being exposed in the mountains and Bert or no, that was always gonna happen. In fact with Cadel bailing and Sastre and Menchov having put so much into the Giro and Gesink crashing out, the competition at this Tour is, in retrospect, unusually thin IMO. Without Bert in the race Andy Schleck would be having an easier time of winning than his erstwhile teammate Sastre did last year.
So this is a long winded way of saying that having Bert on his team didn’t hurt Lance much if at all. Lance had a good team behind him, he had his experience to draw upon, the breaks have gone his way, and Johan had a good game plan for him so he’s gone as far as he can. Top 3-5 is great for him. He could have easily been out of the top 10 with or without Bert. Next year I think that (out of top 10) will be his fate even as THE protected rider on his team.
by ursula on Jul 23, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
excellent points
only thing is i think LA will still be strong next year, if he can stay upright, enough for top10, even top5 if he gets good breaks – except, as i think you have implied, the rest of the field (the top3 plus wig, vdv, nibali and other possible young guns) will be even stronger.
by agostinho on Jul 23, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It'll be interesting to see next year's Tour course.
by ZoeRochelle on Jul 23, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would be fun
Is if the Tour Bert-proofs next year’s course- then he decides to do the Giro/Vuelta double again.
“Tour? Oh yes- a nice little race. Perhaps I’ll return to it some year.”
by ursula on Jul 23, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA! well Menchov and Sastre already ruined my hope
he goes to the Giro to win again…those asshats!
Vamos Alberto!!!(Contador not Ricco)
by Phil H. on Jul 23, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do think far too much has been made out of the inner aspects of the team...
… but it’s not surprising. I suspect that there is no loathing between any of these guys. It’s a professional relationship and, occasionally, there are friendships of the Lance Armstrong / Bruyneel sort, but that is decidedly the exception, not the rule. I would never have expected Bruyneel and Contador to give each other warm stone massages… but I bet there were quite a few occasions when Bruyneel was in an unmarked Skoda pacing up behind Contador in pre-race training that none of us ever saw… same as he does with Armstrong.
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by crashdan on Jul 23, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the body language is pretty cold, to my eye.
All rhetoric aside. If it is being done to whip up the media (always possible) they’re much better actors than I expected.
by JFS_PGH on Jul 24, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Built for Lance short term and perhaps Taylor Phinne longterm?
Perhaps some interrim-leader to fill the gap.
by Jens on Jul 23, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well um...
…only if you think Taylor has a chance of being an LA sort of rider. I don’t see that at all.
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
by Ed K on Jul 23, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea it will be tough for him to compete in the mountains
Being 6’4 and all. But he could be a great all-year stage race rider.
by whistlingmountain on Jul 23, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he might grow still. He's only 18 or 19?
by ZoeRochelle on Jul 23, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
6'4" wow
Didn’t realize he’s that tall. Gesink is 6’1 3/4"
by ursula on Jul 23, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well obviously they are coldly calculating
that Chris will have convinced the american public that De Ronde van Vlaanderen is the greatest race on earth by 2013 when Phinney is set to dominate there.
by Jens on Jul 23, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course...
…this also means that they expect us to encourage Flanders to secede from Belgium and… um, apply for statehood? Right?
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
by Ed K on Jul 23, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flanders ain't far from Paris is it?
It could become a part of East Texas.
by R Mc on Jul 23, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don't need much encouraging
All those yellow/black Lion of Flanders flags? Mostly from the Flemish Movement people: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flemish_movement
by tedvdw on Jul 23, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
I’m well aware of the secession movement, though most of my Belgian friends think its crazy. I dunno if they’re so much Flemish or Brussels-ish tho. And anyway they’re the kind of academic intellectual types who’re probably not the target audience for Flemish nationalism in the first place, I’d guess.
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
by Ed K on Jul 23, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
The large majority is against secession.
by tedvdw on Jul 23, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well . . . this brings up an uncomfortable question
how much of the lion of flanders movement is . . . uh . . . culturally/racially motivated?
by R Mc on Jul 23, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah. From what I understand...
…at least where the secessionists are concerned, it is all hard core nationalism of the blood and soil variety. There’s a lot of that in various parts of Europe these days, the examples Jens cites below and others as well (British National Party, there’s one in the Netherlands that’s had some minor electoral success if I remember correctly as well)
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
by Ed K on Jul 23, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like many of it's sistermovements
(Front National, Lega Nord, etc ) it’s a big part
by Jens on Jul 23, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey,
if an american wins there, all of a sudden it will be important in america. Not that that is unusual.
by yeehoo on Jul 23, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fleche Wallone
No one has heard of it but the die-hards.
by australopithecine on Jul 23, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True cycling fans know the arrow races :)
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by Ed K on Jul 23, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First one day race I saw on TV
Loved it ever since
by australopithecine on Jul 23, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I was getting at in the post above.
Bert is the Killer App for the LA / JB brand. He went up against them, while on their team, and won. Which is part of your point I believe.
"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH
by ELVISGOAT on Jul 23, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I realize this is a "drama" sort of a comment
But I do not mean it to be that way. In essence, Armstrong has the mind a champion – he can not stand to lose. It can be off putting, to say the least. To my eyes, he has handled this badly as has Bruyneel.
But everyone is entitled to act in their interest. Clearly Armstrong perceived himself as acting in his interest. Contador made sure his interests were not sacrificed (I am thinking of Arcalis especially.)
The guy that perplexes me is Bruyneel. I do not see that he acted in his best interests.
by BTD on Jul 23, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its the insinutating what a great team mate he is and then making underhanded
snide remarks about AC being a bad teammate that gets to me. So who is the bad teammate?
by ZoeRochelle on Jul 23, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me wrong
I can’t stand Armstrong. Never could.
But knowing that, I try to be fair.
by BTD on Jul 23, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I used to be a LA fan. A scorned fan is worse than a never-a-fan fan? Probably.
by ZoeRochelle on Jul 23, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but you still love george, right?
Bah... Garmin.
by cg. on Jul 23, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh absolutely. So happy he is no longer riding with LA.
by ZoeRochelle on Jul 23, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh. No. Please no. Never considered it. Ursula you... you...
by ZoeRochelle on Jul 23, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't kill the messenger! Please!
I’m totally with you on this one- and I’m holding my breath.
by ursula on Jul 23, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch.
That might explain some of the Garmin-baiting frenzy.
1. Lance wants to make nice to GH while
2. still riding hard against him.
Answer?
Devote a rather extreme amount of twitter space and mental energy to calling out the Evil GarMen for riding George down. Because otherwise, why invest so much energy?
by JFS_PGH on Jul 24, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hated Armstrong ever since I found out he had a fling with
Danielle Overgaag
by tedvdw on Jul 23, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just looked her up. Check this out. Pics of some of the women he has dated/married:
They all look the same Really bizarre.
by ZoeRochelle on Jul 23, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Creepy. I've never seen that. Never paid attention but you are correct.
by ZoeRochelle on Jul 23, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In fairness
Lances’ mom is pretty hot…
by Jimbo... on Jul 23, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wonderful woman
Very freespirited. We’re all very fond of her.
by Jens on Jul 23, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of different mothers, huh? So he's pretty cool, racially speaking?
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by crashdan on Jul 23, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yikes!
hey, only one of the olsen twins? Pfft.
by yeehoo on Jul 23, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is how we love Lance...
… we crush him with our Love.
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by crashdan on Jul 23, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you'll get first pick in next year's Ed's league.
by ursula on Jul 23, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gregory Rast... FIRST PICK!
I will never forget what Jens said when I picked Rast…
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by crashdan on Jul 23, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was that after a dive?
cause I drank pretty heavily waiting for you to resurface and I can’t remember it.
by Jens on Jul 23, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dan was looking
for some hot blonde Swedish girls at the bottom of the sea.
by ursula on Jul 23, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something along the lines of...
You have a better chance of scoring with Rast than you do with that dive chick.
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by crashdan on Jul 23, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And so you have 82 points from Rast
What did you get from the dive chick?
by ursula on Jul 23, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Psst... Gavia is a surfer... not a diver...
…and she knows I only covet her Volkswagen.
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by crashdan on Jul 23, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn I'm a dumbass
Edit and/or delete button, please!
by tedvdw on Jul 23, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
How about a dumbass button?
then instead of rec’ing or flagging a post, we can simply tag our dumbass posts as such.
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by Hons on Jul 23, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am going to rec it instead
Then we will have a green comment saying “I am a dumbass” ;)
(joking)
sometimes life is a false flat
by Willj on Jul 23, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
If you’re nice, I’ll let you touch my volkswagen.
And yes, crashdan is correct, I prefer to stay above the water, except for the occasional spin cycle from the rogue set wave. Heh, waves. I think I’m finally getting some this weekend. This fills me with gleefulness.
by gavia on Jul 23, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe the phrase we use is "getting Maytaged".
CDIP reports 1-2’ southern swell for the Southern California Bight. I do believe you’re shooting craps hoping for a NW swell again, Chica. Bummer :(
But hey! Makes for easy entries/exits for me this weekend at Avalon!
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by crashdan on Jul 23, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you seeking the Holy Grail on your day off?
by Jens on Jul 23, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mmm, holy grail
16 foot bouys, no wind, 280 degrees, 13 second period.
yessss.
maybe next november.
by gavia on Jul 23, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, there's a South
It should have some size by Saturday, and the right angle for me to catch a bit of it. Not at my usual spot, but somewhere not too far away :-))
But yes, still a ways to go for NW goodness. Like say, October. But we’re definitely out of the La Nina pattern now, so it can’t suck more than last winter.
by gavia on Jul 23, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There were some god awful channel crossing in Jan and Feb this year...
… much fish food was dumped overboard by unprepared boat passengers.
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by crashdan on Jul 23, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well played, William. Well played :)
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by crashdan on Jul 23, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rast confirmed leadership was indeed a problem...
on today’s Tages Anzeiger:
“but the problem with the leadership, after the climb to Verbier, was solved. And I think Lance has also accepted that. He (just) wants to secure the podium, but I guess the leader is now Alberto”
by agostinho on Jul 23, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting, never hear from that guy
by plinytheelder on Jul 23, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think a weak team would have seriously hurt him.
Bah... Garmin.
by cg. on Jul 23, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Contador would be less than a minute up at best without Astana.
Might not even be leading. These guys crushed the course and pounded the stages. Alberto still might have won, but on, say, Lotto, he would be no where near the power position he is in now. It would have been a hugely more exciting race!
by Markk on Jul 23, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't even be leading? Not so sure about that.
If he was on Silence-Lotto, he would have lost 2 and a half minutes compared to being on Astana. So purely mathematically, as he is currently over 4 minutes ahead of Andy, he’d be well over a minute up.
But we are entering the realm of the hypothetical…
by Mark T1979 on Jul 23, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he could have put another 2min on the schlecks on that last mountain
easily… if it werent for the kloeden issue
by agostinho on Jul 23, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you also have to figure in
the leash hes been on. Could have slowed him up in the mountains. Plus, he’s had to avoid stepping on the toes of everybody on the team.
by Cycho on Jul 23, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
using Lotto as an example
is a pretty low bar.
by JFS_PGH on Jul 24, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And this is the deep breath place?
Chris, they’ve stepped all over the field of sunflowers. Bigfooted heavy beasts.
by sminer on Jul 23, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't look now...
/hops on one of those big assed industrial riding mowers with the sides that go up and down and fires it up.
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
by Ed K on Jul 23, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, and I took you for the green thumb type.
by sminer on Jul 23, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
more like light brown...
…I don’t kill plants, but you can’t accuse my plants of thriving either.
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by Ed K on Jul 23, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'd never guess, but I'm big on spreading mushroom compost.
by sminer on Jul 23, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm big on watering mine when I remember to...
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by Ed K on Jul 23, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You water mushroom compost?
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by crashdan on Jul 23, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I grew mushrooms once!
The results didn’t taste all that good but then I wasn’t growing them for the teaste.
by ursula on Jul 23, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Muahahahahahahaha....
…what color is the sky in your world ursula?
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by crashdan on Jul 23, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a different subject
Did anyone see the SBNation.Com got a new infusion of investment funding to the tune of $7 million?
by ZoeRochelle on Jul 23, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I, for one, welcome the new Kazakh overlords
sometimes life is a false flat
by Willj on Jul 23, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
It made so much sense to build a brand new capitol city.
by ursula on Jul 23, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
New name change coming soon...
KazakhCafe with appropriate color scheme change.
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by crashdan on Jul 23, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And we'll discover why there *has* been an Anti-Lance policy...
…all along. They conspiracy unmasked!
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by Ed K on Jul 23, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in unmarked bills, I was told.
ABRUZZIAM...uh oh
by Chris... on Jul 23, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you see what happens, Chris?
I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man.
by Drew... on Jul 24, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rumor
If this was true that would be a scary ttt team if levi and jani come to Team Radio shack
by adammoney on Jul 23, 2009 5:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
though, not very logical at all
the speculation and rumours starting are amusing, doesn’t make sense to me -if Cadel is upset about no longer being the sole leader at *Lotto (as seems to be happening, based on some comments by the team sponsor Coucke) why would he consider going to Radio Shack only to be a super-domestique for Lance?
by guidemd on Jul 24, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The master of self-assured group mind-fuck
and a minor master of mind fucking himself?
Might make for some good riding, unless / until it goes Jonestown.
by JFS_PGH on Jul 24, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weirdly, on the Cadel theme, it seems that he was fastest up the Bluffy today.
He got the Mountains points for the climb.
by Mark T1979 on Jul 23, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not surprised to see Levi and jani linked
Though it sure seems like Lani’s development could have been quite a bit faster on another team.
by ursula on Jul 23, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Levi's twitter today -
Wow!!! I just checked my @replies, lots & lots of people asking the same question.
I wonder what the question was…
by Mark T1979 on Jul 23, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Is it true you've started using Rogaine?"
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by crashdan on Jul 23, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Team Rogaine
Has a nice ring to it.
by Mark T1979 on Jul 23, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where has David Moncoutie been all Tour?
Honestly, this guy hasn’t done a single thing. Any word if he is not injured or whatever. Has to be an extremely disappointing tour for him. (No luck he will probably win the Ventoux stage now :) )
by ncmussell on Jul 23, 2009 5:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Vueltabecco...
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Sorry for the sloppy posting, codes shows above for me.
"…I saw bloody Cavendish coming, really fast…"
HH
by ELVISGOAT on Jul 23, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
photochop
"Race radios in Cat 4?"
by gravel road on Jul 23, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ABOMINATION!
UNCLEAN! UNCLEEEEAAAANNN!!!!!
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by crashdan on Jul 23, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheese Man
So I was looking at some of my photos from yesterday on Colombiere and saw this (after cropping and zooming)
While we were doing the wave … there was a cheese man. Emmenthaler Man to be more precise.
sometimes life is a false flat
by Willj on Jul 23, 2009 5:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I have no words for a person who would put on a cheese costume and stand at the top of a mountain to wave at bike riders.
Go Lance!
by bethie on Jul 23, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You end your self imposed silence for that?
Are you fucking this up, Dude?
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by crashdan on Jul 23, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was the official Swiss ski team kit for a year or so, no?
by tedvdw on Jul 23, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am sure of this, but unfortunately I can’t seem to find any pictures.
by tedvdw on Jul 24, 2009 4:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember it too
but the Swiss skiing federation appear to have spent huge amounts of time & money obliterating the evidence from the internet.
by civetta on Jul 24, 2009 5:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vreni Schneider
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Jul 24, 2009 5:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that's something Packer fans should do.
Mon coeur appartient aux les forçats de la route.
by Josenka on Jul 23, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh dear God they don't need encouragement.
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
by Ed K on Jul 23, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the newest experimental version
of the TT skin suit. Works like the dmiples on a golf ball. Currently experimenting with different size dimples, obviously this is the obscenely large version.
Skipper: He's one of us, men. You all know the Penguin Credo.
Kowalski: Never bathe in hot oil and Bisquick?
by Clydesdale on Jul 23, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What type of mascot will Missouri have?
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by Josenka on Jul 23, 2009 6:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well the state animal is the Mule...
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by Ed K on Jul 23, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't
be fatuous, Ed K.
Brooklyn Chewing Gum: Vlaanderens Mooiste
by Koppenberg on Jul 23, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm being dead serious...
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
by Ed K on Jul 23, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damnit...
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
by Ed K on Jul 23, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How
are they going to keep them down on the farm once they’ve seen Karl Hungus?
/thedudeorelduderinoifyouaren’tintothewholebrevitything
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by Koppenberg on Jul 23, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point, EdK
Do you suppose the mascot will wear an…(wait for it)…ass hat?
Go Lance!
by bethie on Jul 23, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by crashdan on Jul 23, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Bethie
drops a surprise three pointer from outside.
by Sui Juris on Jul 23, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe the technical term is "a dagger!"
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
by Ed K on Jul 23, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good article,
one thing that jumped out was when he said that he doesn’t think anyone is on the fence about whether he doped or not. I think a lot of people are on the fence actually, it’s just that the one’s who aren’t on the fence are the most vocal. Me, I’m sitting on a seesaw on the fence.
by sminer on Jul 23, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I would say this forum is largely full of people who are entirely on the fence on that question. But I’d suspect that the people he encounters and hears from, at least on that subject, are the true believers one way or another. Most of those who are on the fence are also likely the ones avoiding the subject.
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
by Ed K on Jul 23, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
for sure!
http://ascannerdorky.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/balancing-act-001.jpg
and I can only guess that this is old enough to be in the public domain?
by JFS_PGH on Jul 24, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe I had to read all those comments...you guys are all asshats!..../snark
Vamos Alberto!!!(Contador not Ricco)
by Phil H. on Jul 23, 2009 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What is next?
Tourbecco in the sky of diamonds?
What the hell hapenned to savage?
Note: Torobecco for the vuelta!!!!!
by perezbike on Jul 23, 2009 10:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good evening.
It was the best of days, it was the worst of days. I now have a car that will run for more than 30 minutes without overheating. As for the TT, all I can say is that I am glad Schlecklet didn’t lose more time. And I am so kicking a particular unicorn’s ass.
And Torchwood, WTF? I don’t want to talk about that either.
Did I mention I have a new car?
Throughout the stage all I kept on thinking was: ‘don’t finish second, you can’t finish second again’.--Heinrich Haussler
by majope on Jul 23, 2009 10:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I LOVE THAT CUTE UNICORN!!!!!!
and I’m saying this is a Cav baher, and a Bert lover!!!
aka. Unicorn continues to hate its owners(creatures) guts…
Vamos Alberto!!!(Contador not Ricco)
by Phil H. on Jul 23, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn! *(creator)
Vamos Alberto!!!(Contador not Ricco)
by Phil H. on Jul 23, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, do I now have to kick your ass, too?
Throughout the stage all I kept on thinking was: ‘don’t finish second, you can’t finish second again’.--Heinrich Haussler
by majope on Jul 23, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it's like the the ass-kicking Bert is getting at the Tour
Vamos Alberto!!!(Contador not Ricco)
by Phil H. on Jul 23, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still 3 stages left.
Throughout the stage all I kept on thinking was: ‘don’t finish second, you can’t finish second again’.--Heinrich Haussler
by majope on Jul 23, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, chance for another stage win before it's done
Vamos Alberto!!!(Contador not Ricco)
by Phil H. on Jul 23, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be jsut like the black unicorn
to get a musette stuck in Bert front wheel tomorrow.
"Never swing a small stick. " Andy Hampsten
by Hons on Jul 24, 2009 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Almost as good as a new bike, or not.
But anyway, what did you get?
by sminer on Jul 23, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nissan Versa.
This may be the most excited you will ever see someone over a hatchback.
Throughout the stage all I kept on thinking was: ‘don’t finish second, you can’t finish second again’.--Heinrich Haussler
by majope on Jul 23, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always go for hatchbacks.
Recently went over the 200,000 mile mark on my ’91 Honda CRX HF. The Jeep Cherokee is close behind.
by sminer on Jul 23, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
should I invest time in Torchwood?
by Sui Juris on Jul 23, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean Joss whedon's 'Angel'? I'm a tragic.
by Seahorse on Jul 24, 2009 4:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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