Tour Stage 2 Preview: Monaco - Brignoles
Stage 2 :: Sunday July 5, 2009
187km :: Monaco - Brignoles
First full stage of the tour, running from Monaco to Brignoles. If you were to look at the map, you would see that we're just a hairs-breath below the Cime de la Bonette-Restefond, Stage 16 of the '08 edition, as well as just south of the region of Cuneo, Italy from stage 10 of this year's edition of the Giro that ran from Cuneo to Pinerolo. We're heading away from that region, though, heading down the coast of the south of France a tad to Brignoles.
The stage looks quite lumpy actually, like all those lumpy Italiano tappes from a few weeks ago. Peak on the flip for a view of the goods.
Gavia saves me doing any real work...
This year’s Tour de France remains close to the coast during its first week. This second stage begins in Monaco and runs west along the coast, passing through Nice, before heading slightly inland to finish in Brignoles. The profile includes four categorized climbs to tempt the attackers. The sprinters’ teams face a difficult day, and this stage offers the possibility, though slim, that a breakaway could survive to the finish in Brignoles.
This year marks the first visit of the Tour de France to the city of Brignoles, which lies inland from the coast and about equidistant from Toulon, Aix-en-Provence, and Marseille. During the Middle Ages, the Comtes de Provence made Brignoles their primary residence and it was renowned its plums. The official tourist site lists cycling among its recommended activities. Coincidence? I think not.
Courtesy of Gavia's Stage 2 Preview at Steephill.tv
Here's the overview of the stage, Monaco in the east, Brignoles to the west.
While it looks sort of flat, it's more of a mushy stage, rolling and uneven.
First up is a climb up 481m to La Turbie, immediately above Monaco.
The riders give up all 481 of those meters though, as they descend straight down to the Traguardo Volante (not sure how to say it en Français) in the sleepy little town of Nice.
After running down right on the waterfront, the contendahs take a sharp turn and head up to the cat 4 Côte de Roquefort-les-Pins, all 218m of it..
Then, there's another intermediate sprint in Fayence, followed by a puckish little bit of gastronomie in Garron.
The lumpiness continues over the Cat 4 Col de l'Ange (more of a slight ridge than anything else), 206m, and then continues on to the third sprint of the day in Lorgues.
Final bit is this right here; what's a sprint finish that doesn't include a sharp right hander with road furniture followed by a swooping left hand curve to a 100m straight finish. In case you're wondering how to find the finishing straight on a satellite map... always look for the area with the biggest parking lot :)
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Armstrong sure kicked everyone’s butt today….boy….he really schooled those guys, took them out back to woodshed and so on. Don’t know how any of them are going to find the necessary morale to even come out and start tomorrow’s stage.
LOL! Sorry, couldn’t resist. I’m done now. Not one more snide remark about Armstrong for the next 3 weeks. :)
by La3000 on Jul 4, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I haven't done an official tally,
but I do believe that PdC may have mentioned LA more than VS today. I wonder if throwing insults is any different than flattering when the end result is still that there is way too much focus on him.
by sminer on Jul 4, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah probably, but snark is fun, very fun
Vamos Alberto!!!
by Phil H. on Jul 4, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but on the other hand if I get tired of the Lance chatter on VS I can mute them out.
But if I want to hang out in the live threads here I can’t avoid the constant Lancing, pro or con. With flipping Grand Tour unfolding in front of us, you’d think we could talk about something else.
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
by majope on Jul 4, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry, I'll mention him 65% less once the GC battle really gets going
don’t know about others but that’s me. Of course now we Cav bahers have to listen to you Cav gloaters for the next few days.
Vamos Alberto!!!
by Phil H. on Jul 4, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sure hope so!
Go, Cav!
Now, here’s hoping GHH steals a stage somewhere so we can gloat together and piss off the Barbie-bahers.
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
by majope on Jul 4, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are GHH bahers?!!!
Vamos Alberto!!!
by Phil H. on Jul 4, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There could be, depending on whose ass he ends up kicking.
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
by majope on Jul 4, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1st place is clearly a GHH baher, always rejects him and bumps him to 2nd
he and Cadel and are in that same category, must be an Aussie thing.
Vamos Alberto!!!
by Phil H. on Jul 4, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, if he were really German, he'd win--right?
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
by majope on Jul 4, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With that logic
who could argue?
"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!
by jsallee00 on Jul 4, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes of course
great point
Vamos Alberto!!!
by Phil H. on Jul 4, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hold Up.........
there was a mis-interpreted ‘Bah’ that was meant for its owner, Cavendish, and ended up falling on GHH…that wayward ‘Bah’ has been recovered and, to date and as all should be GHH has no ‘Bahs’ but
Bah Cavendish
Bah....Cavendish?!
by bradBordeaux on Jul 4, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since I didn't had to watch VS
I don’t know how many times they mentioned LA. But if the Frenchs decides to show 18 minutes of Lance’s time trial, it will be hard to focus on something/someone else. Besides, I don’t remember that many comments about Lance after he was done.
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Jul 4, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
this is the second time you’ve come to defend Amstrong’s honor after a harmless little crack that I happen to make at his expense….cracks which are only made possible because of comments like his “the 2008 Tour was a joke” doozy from a few weeks ago. Lighten up.
by La3000 on Jul 4, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I haven't hardened up at all yet.
And the timing was completely unintentional in following your comment. I just find it rather interesting to read so many complaints about the attention on Lance and the gross lavishment placed on him and yet we counter it by doing so much of the opposite. Don’t take my comment personally, when it is personal I’m usually pretty clear.
by sminer on Jul 4, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus I'm not "too focused" on Armstrong
I happen to think his participation is an interesting subplot in what promises to be a thrilling race between CONTADOR AND CO. Not Armstrong. The very fact that Armstrong recently indicated in the press that he would “decide who to work for” as the race unfolded must have bothered Contador to no end, being that you usually don’t win the last 3 Grand Tours you happen to participate in unless you are the best. Armstrong’s reluctance to publicly admit that fact is bound to make him unpopular with most, even those are not in the “Armstrong hater” category. (such as myself)
by La3000 on Jul 4, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If you want your post to appear as a response to a specific post
use the “reply” button at the bottom of that post. These threads get long and hard to follow sometimes, so it helps clarity to indicate what you’re reacting to.
I can't understand why people cheat--Mark Cavendish
by majope on Jul 4, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
unless Bert bonks like in P-N again, it’s hard for me to see how anyone beats him. I can’t imagine ASchleck or Sastre taking 40" in the mountains (and will probably need more, given that he will pick up more time on them in Annecy), and if Evans & Co. can’t beat him in the ITT, I just don’t see how he gets beat this year…
by Le Comte on Jul 4, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
You’re ready to write off three weeks of racing after how many Km?
I sure hope that those racing against Contador have different thoughts.
"Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill" - Fausto Coppi
by muk on Jul 4, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not writing it off
but I’m just not seeing how anybody beats him if he doesn’t beat himself (like in P-N). I’d love to be wrong – nothing against Bert (I have him on my vds team, after all) – for the sake of exciting competition, but I don’t see how anyone gets from point A to point B against him. To me, the likeliest contenders for beating him now appear to be ASchleck and Sastre since they may be able to gain time on him in the mountains. Maybe. But can they get enough to make up for their relative ITT deficiencies? And that’s assuming they can take any time on him in the mountains, which I’m not too sure about…
by Le Comte on Jul 4, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bert didn't beat himself in P-N
The mistake was provoked due to a combined effort from the other teams.
Yes Bert was to blame for not slowing down and just minimizing the time loss as he had a strong lead, but now with less than a minute lead he can’t afford to slow down and minimize.
He’ll need help if the competition joins up again, but with the strong prologue from Levi and Klödi there’ll still be some leader roles to be cleared up.
I wonder how stubborn Lance will be, after all it’s in his nature and has helped him win so many Tours in a row.
by OctaBech on Jul 5, 2009 4:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
The only way I see Contador losing is if he’s if bonks. And correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Contador explode on one of those typical March days where the temps fall into the 40’s or 50’s? Seems from what I’ve heard that bonking is much more common in that type of weather, especially for a slightly built rider like Alberto. Shouldn’t be a problem in July, and with a strong team to support him he definitely seems to be in the drivers seat.
by La3000 on Jul 4, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but you just said it....
Conta at PN looked world beating, then got caught out without team support, subjected to a flurry of attacks by everyone and their brother, and bonked. Not saying it’d happen the same way again here, but the very fact that something like this has happened once means something like it surely can happen again.
by Ed K on Jul 4, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paris Nice is a different type of race
A lot of those guys, riders like Luis Sanchez and Chavenel, were in great form to start the season and took advantage of the short course and the lack of support Contador had at his disposal. That’s where Kloden and Armstrong come in, they’re going to make sure any breaks from the dangerous attacking riders like Schleck or Sanchez get neutralized pretty quickly.
by La3000 on Jul 4, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If enough people attack you from enough angles at a moment when you're vulnerable...
…anything can happen. If you don’t like AC in PN, try what Sastre and the Schleck brothers did to the entire field last year. But AC in PN works better only b/c it illustrates that no matter how good he looks over 15k, there are way too many strong contenders in this race, with serious organizations behind them, to act as if AC or Astana are unbeatable. This is an incredibly deep field of GC contenders. And AC is not infallible.
by Ed K on Jul 4, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But his team is superstrong
Barring an an accident or illness, he has 4 or 5 guys (Leipheimer, Armstrong, Kloden, Zubeldia, Popo) who should be able to accompany him the mountains. I would imagine that Bruyneel is planning on using the same formula that took Armstrong to 7 wins, set an infernal pace on the early mountain stages, wear out the weaker riders, and put the hammer down on the first big summit finish.
IMHO I see Andy Schleck being able to accompany Contador….maybe….but in the TT’s he’ll lose precious time. And Menchov looks weakened from his Giro effort, so who does that leave? Maybe Evans, Sastre and a few others. All riders with weaker teams.
by La3000 on Jul 4, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree this is the major difference between this and PN...
…but a number of people have, I think not without reason, questioned the cohesion of that team. IF they all work smoothly for AC, then what you say applies. If guys start freelancing or the team splits into factions, all bets are off. Part of what happened to AC in PN was that he wasn’t effectively supported. And don’t underestimate the strength of some of his challengers. Saxo, Rabo, and prolly Liquigas can all mount a serious threat to the Astanii.
This is going to be fun, not least b/c even if Astana do what they should, there are still teams that can put up a serious fight against them.
by Ed K on Jul 4, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one on CdE was anywere near the top today
just sayin….
Vamos Alberto!!!
by Phil H. on Jul 4, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you're saying
Bert now has 2 teams working for him?
jk
by Le Comte on Jul 4, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1.5 if Astana continues the drama
potentially 2.
Vamos Alberto!!!
by Phil H. on Jul 4, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point well taken, though...
…CDE also needs their share of glory. If there’s a deal, part of it may involve Astana not chasing CDE breaks.
That limits exactly how much work CDE does for Bert
by Ed K on Jul 4, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes but they have some good guys like Arroyo
and Bert’s good friend Lulu. Those guys may give him a hand. No, obviously I don’t expect CdE drilling it at the bottom of a climb with Bert sitting at the end of their train, although I would LOVE to see that, more so for comedy reasons.
Vamos Alberto!!!
by Phil H. on Jul 4, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting profile really...
Could swing one of two ways- either the sprinters will control and we’ll have a sprint finish and I think we all know how that’ll end, or a breakaway could keep off or a roleur, like Cancellara, could jump away. After all, that would be very 2007 style wouldn’t it ;)
"When he accelerates, he's like Superman emerging from the telephone booth!" La Gazzetta journo Paolo Condo talking about Edvald Boasson Hagen.
by Helsy33 on Jul 4, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That last little bump
Could be a great place for someone to try and get clear. But I doubt it will be Tony, too far out, and Riis will probably have all the guys under orders to not waste energy. Maybe someone like Chava though.
"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!
by jsallee00 on Jul 4, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still wondering
How Crashdan’s attempt on the Grand went.
I know it’s off topic and all, but still.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Jul 4, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dude...
… look in my PdC profile, click on the website link, go to the contact page and send me a note with your email address. I have something I wish to send to you in the next few days.
I called the climb at the upper saddle, just before the traverse to the belly crawl on Owen-Spalding – 700’ (vertical) from the summit. Reasons being: 20-25mph winds with windchill so brutal that both my and my guide’s camelbaks froze, onset of hypothermia for me (uncontrollable shivering), extreme unease with the new act of walking on crampons on rock rather than just snow and ice, and the estimation of my energy reserves considering that there was 2.5hrs more climbing if we’d summited and that we would have had to still down climb 2,800’ from that same point on the upper saddle even after executing the raps from the summit.
Essentially, on June 27th, we had a storm so bad at camp that it destroyed the brand new Mountain Hardware 4 season tent they put up for me with blasting hail and a blizzard. Then on summit day, the 28th, we had high winds, summer skies but dead nuts of winter climbing conditions on the mountain, for which I didn’t have the requisite experience. I am positive my guide could have dragged me to the summit if I’d asked/let him, but I would have had to be lowered over several pitches on the descent and that, in my book, would have constituted a failure. I climbed as high as I could, and then I fucking, damn well down climbed what I had ascended to that point and that, in my book, constitutes meeting the mountain on it’s terms.
Climbing up the “Idaho Express” couloir, 70-80 degree pitch of ice over groppel over snow, was some of the handsdown badassest stuff I’ve ever done. We also descended the “Sack of Potatoes” couloir, which had a 15’ section of honest to god, swinging two ice tools, ice climbing over granite that scared the everliving piss out of me… but I did it anyway :)
Had two self-arrests while solo hike/climbing Paintbrush Divide the Monday before The Grand on the first day I ever tried using an ice axe. Talk about pucker factor. And then the hike out the day after summit day, there was a pretty gnarly 120’ pitch of snow we had to plunge-step down, but I was so tired at that point that I think I fell at least 5 times… textbook arrest the first two, shitty job the third, then just let the short rope do the work on the fourth and fifth until we were on the scree of the moraine, the guide laughing all the time.
Funniest part of the whole thing – we are heading back to Corbett High Camp on summit day after, obviously, a hard day of mountaineering. We get to the bottom of the lower saddle and have to scramble 200’ up a moraine, typical two/three foot rocks. My guide, Darren, is ahead of me 10’ to 15’ most of the way. He stops at one point and turns to me as he stands over this granite slab; it’s slick granite, well polished by erosion with a pretty long, high step up onto it and a sort of tilted 5’ face. I’m standing below it, looking at it while leaning on my ice axe, taking a few deep breaths. Darren then says “Ok, big crux of the day for you to free solo; no more rope for you cowboy.” Chuckling, I take the first step onto it and then lunge up with the rest of my body and hit THAT balance point… could go forward, could go back… Darren just starts yelling “COME ON DANNY! SEND IT! SEND IT! SEND IT!” like I’m putting up a new route on El Cap or something. By the time I’ve got my boots moving on that rock, I’m laughing so hard, it’s all I can do not to slip back off the damn thing.
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by crashdan on Jul 5, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You so need to share more stories of your recent adventures!
Some of the pics have been truly devine! Glad you’re enjoying it all! We miss you though. :-)
I love C, not because he rocks as a cyclist, but because deep down he's a band geek! LOL!
by nikki on Jul 5, 2009 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome. Awesome. Awesome.
When I'm on the mic, I'm like global warming, you can't ignore me.
by tehGrindCrusher on Jul 6, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paris-Nice to Tour translation
I like that La Turbie is on the course. In Paris-Nice, that’s a cat 1 climb. Here, cat 3.
by ursula on Jul 4, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not the same climb
don’t know if that matters, but …
by yeehoo on Jul 4, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
About the same percentage though
Tour climb actually 1km longer
Vamos Alberto!!!
by Phil H. on Jul 4, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it really isn't so much of a climb.
Cat 3 seems way more reasonable to me.
by yeehoo on Jul 4, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes I agree abouy the cat 3 being right
But that’s my point. What one thing in Paris-Nice, early season, is quite another at the Tour.
by ursula on Jul 4, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woohoo!
they’re coming by my house tomorrow. Almost. Damn near – couple blocks. For someone having grown up in el paso, texas, it just seems pretty cool to now have the tour de france coming by the house. And it’ll mostly be just one big quick, whish, but still, it’ll be fun.
by yeehoo on Jul 4, 2009 7:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
waaaaay cool
I’m thrilled just to get a half-decent crit within a few blocks of my place. So I can only imagine this.
Get out and represent, yo.
by Sui Juris on Jul 4, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh I misposted in the other thread...
Main reason why this will end up a sprint stage: not enough separation on GC to allow a break to go.
by Ed K on Jul 4, 2009 7:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unequivocally, without a doubt, almost certainly a sprint finish.
Saxo will control the race enough to get help from the sprinters teams, they will want to keep the yellow on Cance as long as they can. A. Schleck may not see the yellow this year.
by sminer on Jul 4, 2009 7:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of alliances:
Does anyone see a bit of mutual interest between Columbia and Saxo on this stage, and possibly the next few?
by Ed K on Jul 4, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
si
Always an alliance in these early stages among the sprint teams and the general classification teams. So, certainly they will work together tomorrow.
Eh, I give a slim chance the break stays away, but most likely a sprint. Lots of fresh legs in the sprint teams and Cance wants to keep the jersey.
by gavia on Jul 4, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely an alliance
Columbia wants tomorrow’s stage and more. When you look at how the team performed today in the TT, George 35th or something, Kirchen, they all way underperformed. These guys rode to save energy so the team can go stage gobbling.
by sminer on Jul 4, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cav 4th last today...smart riding
Vamos Alberto!!!
by Phil H. on Jul 4, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garmin?
If Farrar and Cavendish switched teams then I bet Farrar would be the stage favorite.
Cavendish will get a lead out in the last mile from grbasch, and then kirchen, renshaw, hagen and Eisel.
Farrar from,…… all his teammates but Dean will disappear with less than 5 km to go.
Garmin should reel the breaks in though.
by croodle on Jul 5, 2009 3:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm goin for a non-sprint finish........
if Chava fancies his chances……up over the last blip…..QS won’t chase, nor Saxo…Cancellara has enough time on Chava that 10-20 sec won’t change anything…leaving Columbia to do the work, which may or may not work.
I’ll have to miss it though….racing….but would someone represent with a ‘Bah’ when it’s appropriate…laters
Bah....Cavendish?!
by bradBordeaux on Jul 5, 2009 4:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hard to tell how difficult that bump is
But Wegmann could try something, and Voeckler. And maybe they should tell Kirchen that he should be there if something happens. On the other hand, I don’t think Columbia would have to do all the work. Don’t forget Haussler and Hushovd, Cervelo might want to do some work too.
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Jul 5, 2009 4:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fabian has a new yellow bike. No pics yet
Thought you would like to know.
"the rest was over 30. And that doesn't mean old and useless, but experienced and with the stamina"
Jens! Voigt, Crit Intl Interview, 2009
by CycleGirl on Jul 5, 2009 4:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
by the way
Brignoles tourist tip for anyone who might be there. Visit the nearby Abbé de Fontenay. An old cistercian monastery. Not as beautiful or large as some of the others but absolutely incredible acoustics. And all the tour guides know how to sing and give demonstrations. Sometimes just when they don’t have anything to do. It’s like the entire church is a huge musical instrument and you’re right in the middle of it.
Great cycling around there too.
by yeehoo on Jul 5, 2009 6:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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