Le Tour Stage 3: Fourth Live Thread
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 6, 2009 11:38 AM EDT
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27 riders up the road in a huge, dangerous split... and no Alberto Contador. Whoa!
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If you ain't first
you’re last
I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man.
I'm so confused...
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 6, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Halfway up the stair
is the stair where I sit
Alan Alexander Milne
"The Map is not the Territory" ~ A. Korzybski
by le.tour.fan on Jul 6, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Did none of you
see Taladega Nights – The Ballad of Ricky Bobby? If not, you’re the poorer for it.
I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man.
a break in the threads
"The Map is not the Territory" ~ A. Korzybski
by le.tour.fan on Jul 6, 2009 11:41 AM EDT reply actions
No Contador, no Evans, no Schlecks, no VdV, no Kreuz/Pelli/Nibali, no Menchov, no Sastre
the peloton is pissed.
"When he accelerates, he's like Superman emerging from the telephone booth!" La Gazzetta journo Paolo Condo talking about Edvald Boasson Hagen.
Nah
Lance is reason.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 6, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Beauty of this
is that Columbia could seriously hurt some teams with this move… and they’ll still have Cav get the win.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 6, 2009 11:42 AM EDT reply actions
It's inspired, aggressive riding - I love it
Who’s the DS – Rolf?
I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man.
are there loads of turns towards the end....
Bah....Cavendish?!
Columbia guys
shouting at Skil to help. Lot of organization needed here.
Do the Astani work?? That alone is a huge issue. If they work and Contador loses time, the team bus won’t be a fun place.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 6, 2009 11:43 AM EDT reply actions
yeah
the move was too early for the teams are avaibles to push.,.
i just saw Hushovd there!
if astana works, this is a major shock to me.
by semprenaroda on Jul 6, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
velonews saying popo is pulling
ooooohhhh, id give a thumb to sit at that table tonight
You know LA wants this to stick
Bah....Cavendish?!
Peloton is bringing the gap down
This should seriously benefit Astana and Garmin in the TTT tomorrow – Columbia and SexyBack are doing a lot of work today
Looks a lot less dramatic gap from overhead
"When he accelerates, he's like Superman emerging from the telephone booth!" La Gazzetta journo Paolo Condo talking about Edvald Boasson Hagen.
popo working.................ride home going tobe ugly
Bah....Cavendish?!
Uh-oh.
Zubeldia is currently betraying Alberto :(
Hello Caisse d’Epargne, you’re looking much more appealing now aren’t you!
"When he accelerates, he's like Superman emerging from the telephone booth!" La Gazzetta journo Paolo Condo talking about Edvald Boasson Hagen.
YES!!!
polemica!! Oh, I am going to love this Tour.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 6, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
There's a reason you named your team after the Black Unicorn.
Among his many talents, Mark Cavendish can make it rain in Southern California--Chris Jones, ESPN Magazine
Is it wrong to worship him?
he has my gratitude.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 6, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Well played :-)
I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man.
peleton at more than 60k/h
Bah....Cavendish?!
sorry about spelling
Bah....Cavendish?!
by bradBordeaux on Jul 6, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I want to here
what Johan Bruyneel is yelling in to the team earpiece
sometimes life is a false flat
Anyone still think that Levi is going to side with Lance?
Talk about huge betrayal.
"When he accelerates, he's like Superman emerging from the telephone booth!" La Gazzetta journo Paolo Condo talking about Edvald Boasson Hagen.
Unless
they are racing as two teams.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 6, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Right now LA is about 10 seconds ahead of AC
And on Stage 7 AC will kill LA. Payback will be a bitch
This is awesome!
The split team talk; Vino trash-talking last week; It’s only stage 3 and it ROCKS!!!
In some sense...
…unless you believe LA can truly win in the mountains, this is fine for everyone else with a real GC contender. Let LA go have yellow, beat him later. And he still has to beat Fabu in any case.
I’m not sure what Astana’s strategy is, truly.
Can't wait to read l'equipe tomorrow
Bah....Cavendish?!
You know what i love?
The commentary is slagging Alberto for not making it into this group, well what about everyone else? No-one has made it of the real big favourites!
"When he accelerates, he's like Superman emerging from the telephone booth!" La Gazzetta journo Paolo Condo talking about Edvald Boasson Hagen.
Precisely. Right now Alberto only has Paulinho and Kloden he can trust, 2 guys.
Jeeze that’s fricking less than Cadel!
"When he accelerates, he's like Superman emerging from the telephone booth!" La Gazzetta journo Paolo Condo talking about Edvald Boasson Hagen.
The other favorites have a team behind them
Astana’s running the leader by committee strategy. We’ve seen how that worked (Hi there, T-Mobile!). Kloden’s very experienced with that one.
"Ich bin ein big favorite," says Leenooos. "See?"
Among his many talents, Mark Cavendish can make it rain in Southern California--Chris Jones, ESPN Magazine
Come on NAIL it............popo
Bah....Cavendish?!
This doesn't hurt Bert or LL
It just potentially moves another Astana up the GC. Shouldn’t the team be ok with that? This is only stage 3 remember. Still 18 to go.
think you have a point there...
TTT tomorrow? Astana are probably my faves to win despite all the Garmin v Columbia talk.
10 Km flag shows a headwind
"The Map is not the Territory" ~ A. Korzybski
by le.tour.fan on Jul 6, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions
You know i may get shot
But 30 seconds isn’t a huge thing…Rogers lost more than that in the ITT and Lance was already 30 something down on Contador, so it’s not a huge drama. Especially since the big big favourites can smoke LA on the climbs….just saying
"When he accelerates, he's like Superman emerging from the telephone booth!" La Gazzetta journo Paolo Condo talking about Edvald Boasson Hagen.
Yep.
The one thing it does prove is Bert needs to get the hell out of Astana now, the knives are big and heavy
"When he accelerates, he's like Superman emerging from the telephone booth!" La Gazzetta journo Paolo Condo talking about Edvald Boasson Hagen.
the drama is more in the action
than the likely result
"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!
Columbia were going to knacker themselves anyway
leading out Cav. They’re just working at a slightly lower level for a bit longer.
Lance in yellow after the TTT?
I so hope this happens. All hell will break loose.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 6, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions
me likey a bit of HELL
Bah....Cavendish?!
by bradBordeaux on Jul 6, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
time going out.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 6, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously people
you’re all worse than ESPN. There is no one in the front group that Bert is actually worried about. Bert is currently sitting in the peleton watching the other real GC contenders burning matches (read: domestiques). There is no breech of trust, there is no polemica
Sorry to disapoint.
Unless big George is working for Lance too…
"Never swing a small stick. " Andy Hampsten
easy mate....worse then ESPN...that's some serious shit
Bah....Cavendish?!
by bradBordeaux on Jul 6, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep that 's what me and ncmussel say above
"When he accelerates, he's like Superman emerging from the telephone booth!" La Gazzetta journo Paolo Condo talking about Edvald Boasson Hagen.
whuh?
If Lance goes into yellow after the TTT, does team leadership switch?? Isn’t that a huge deal?
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 6, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
No
but until now it was looking like Lance working for Bert. All bets off after this.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 6, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh I can see them not really working together
Definitely. Today showed that. But as soon as he can, Bert attacks Lance
look at CSC last year
Schleck was in yellow for a while. Sastre wins. I don’t think it matters to much
Schleck
didn’t have 7 black ceramic trophies on his shelf.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 6, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
hey
I could be wrong. This is definitely getting interesting though.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 6, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Never question that Schleck would listen to Riis
And that Riis would direct for Sastre. Not the case here.
but
the only big GC threats are Kirchen and Rogers…even these are not big big majors for Conta compare to Menchov
Maybe Astana only wants to . Maybe take tomorrow the yellow with LA.
don't think so
Garmin and Saxo are gambling that Columbia and Astana are blowing too much hp today when they’ll need it tomorrow.
Columbia
can never blow up! Well, until the Alps.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 6, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
hahahaha
Try retyping that sentence but replace “Columbia” with “T-Mobile”.
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Cycle-logical warfare
"The Map is not the Territory" ~ A. Korzybski
by le.tour.fan on Jul 6, 2009 11:54 AM EDT reply actions
+1
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 6, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh I'm loving this!
Oh to be a fly on the wall at the Astana hotel tonight!
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I'm baffled by Rabobank's passivity
haven’t seen them doing any work up front.
Ô col Bayard, Ô Tourmalet, à côté du Galibier, vous êtes de la pale et vulgaire bibine !
Who are the Cervelo riders in the break?
Is that Thor? Just wondering about a finish sprint with Cav
Thor is there
"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!
i hope he wins
way to stick it to columbia after all that work
Farrar has a problem
"The Map is not the Territory" ~ A. Korzybski
by le.tour.fan on Jul 6, 2009 11:55 AM EDT reply actions
Who gets the stage?
I have to think that Cav will get challenged by someone (Beppu? Dumoulin?) unless he gives the stage to someone else on the team like Renshaw if it’s that bad of a massacre
Gap to 0:38
My Euro on riding on Thor
(This marks a major change in my affections, but now I’m a Hushovd fan.)
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And we thought that the Lance stuff was tough
for newcomers. Let’s see the guys at Yahoo work that one out.
Cance for the win.........
Bah....Cavendish?!
you KNOW
he’s thinking of it.
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 6, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
should be perfect
but at least Hushovd will response. He is a cobbles guy now :P
by semprenaroda on Jul 6, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Coup d'Etape
"The Map is not the Territory" ~ A. Korzybski
by le.tour.fan on Jul 6, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions
Les Garmins sont foutue
Bah....Cavendish?!
I know other Astana's in back
But Contador has been with only one team-mate for ages (Kloden I think)
sometimes life is a false flat
And now, the peloton completely shreds
It’s in several groups now. I hope the GarMen are near the front, at the least.
Well, I think Unibrows seven minute walk
yesterday made for better TV time than Columbias ride today.
Anyone else thinking this could cost Columbia tomorrow?
Going so hard against a headwind in a small group…
"When he accelerates, he's like Superman emerging from the telephone booth!" La Gazzetta journo Paolo Condo talking about Edvald Boasson Hagen.
Hivert is not too bad
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Jul 6, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
- Columbia is teaching the other teams a lesson for not pulling
- Saxo have lost their cold tactical overview
- Astana might not have internal issues after all
Or the crisis is beyond all imagination(I don’t think so)
Holy shit Renshaw
What a pull
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 6, 2009 12:02 PM EDT reply actions
Interesting to see
what Columbia’s trin looks like today
"Never swing a small stick. " Andy Hampsten
nah....good win....thor nearly had him....i think....but....notice when there's no pushing...its alot closer
Bah....Cavendish?!
by bradBordeaux on Jul 6, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
whoa take that back........cav murdered him
Bah....Cavendish?!
by bradBordeaux on Jul 6, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this is a fairly apt demonstration...
…that the Thor/Tyler strategy of trying to use Cav as a leadout is bankrupt.
completely
right now, no one is going to come around him in the last 200m
"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!
Thor just not fast enough
Very gracious at the end congratulating Cav. He is just that fast!
Yawn. for the actual win. The groups was interesting
"When he accelerates, he's like Superman emerging from the telephone booth!" La Gazzetta journo Paolo Condo talking about Edvald Boasson Hagen.
Strong riding by Cav
Don’t know why he leaves me feeling so blaze, but can’t argue with his results.
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Most of Garmin in the 2nd group
If Columbia and SexyBack are totally shelled and Astana can’t cooperate (as I expect) as well as they need to, Garmin might be in the best position to win the TTT tomorrow
ain't going to happen i'm afraid
Bah....Cavendish?!
by bradBordeaux on Jul 6, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
1.00
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Jul 6, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Astana will keep it together tomorrow.
Whichever faction (assuming there are factions…) it’s in no-one’s interest not to.
Exactly
It is in everyone’s best interest to blast the TTT. They may be fierce competitors, but no one is going to cut off their nose to spite their face.
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Cav phone home
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
sounds like his agent
talked to him about the importance of being sponsor friendly.
Visions of £s dancing in his head.
despite another
Cav wins, this was exciting. Honestly it seemed to me that Hushovd will overcome Cav, and saw the replay, he gain some time after leave Cav’s wheels.
But again, i think is very difficult to anybody try overcome Cav after he begins his sprint… they have to anticipate.
Thor is STRONG, but he's never been the fastest man at the line.
He’s put himself in great shape for the Green competition. With yesterday’s crash and today’s split, he’s the only challenger not to lose points. I don’t think Cav is strong enough to win green, even if he does take all the sprint wins. He’s like a Cippo or McEwen, will beat everyone to the finish, but not always to the Green jersey.
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GC: Cance, Tony Martin, Lance
Among his many talents, Mark Cavendish can make it rain in Southern California--Chris Jones, ESPN Magazine
per cyclingnews
Cancellara still in first, 33 seconds ahead of Tony Martin, with Armstrong moving up to third place, 40 seconds down.
by Merry Crankster on Jul 6, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Oops, you were faster.
Among his many talents, Mark Cavendish can make it rain in Southern California--Chris Jones, ESPN Magazine
no real change in GC
but giant change in GC leadership now that LA has put in that “attack”
OMG Contador is still 5th, he's sooo sh** ;)
"When he accelerates, he's like Superman emerging from the telephone booth!" La Gazzetta journo Paolo Condo talking about Edvald Boasson Hagen.
4th even, I think
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Jul 6, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, Contador is 19 seconds behind Armstrong
And if anyone tihnks he can’t take at least that during the mountains is deluded
"When he accelerates, he's like Superman emerging from the telephone booth!" La Gazzetta journo Paolo Condo talking about Edvald Boasson Hagen.
Provisional stage result:
1. Cavendish (Columbia)
2. Hushov (Cervelo)
3. Lemoine (Skil Shimano)
4. Dumoulin (Cofidis)
5. Pineau (Quick Step)
6. Cancellara (Saxo Bank)
7. Wegmann (Milram)
8. Beppu (Skil Shimano)
9. Bouet (Agritubel)
10. Gerdemann (Milram)
Provisional GC standings
1. Cancellara (Saxo Bank)
2. Martin (Columbia) @ 33s
3. Armstrong (Astana) @ 40s
"The Map is not the Territory" ~ A. Korzybski
by le.tour.fan on Jul 6, 2009 12:09 PM EDT reply actions
5th Contador +59 6th Brad Wiggins +1 minute
"When he accelerates, he's like Superman emerging from the telephone booth!" La Gazzetta journo Paolo Condo talking about Edvald Boasson Hagen.
This is why people don't like you Cav
He just said “sometimes it’s like a juniors race” Yep, respect…
"When he accelerates, he's like Superman emerging from the telephone booth!" La Gazzetta journo Paolo Condo talking about Edvald Boasson Hagen.
what a cunt................excuse the language please
Bah....Cavendish?!
by bradBordeaux on Jul 6, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
"It's us against the world"
Oldest teamunity tactics in the world of sport, and perhaps the most successful
Now I feel better for not jumping on the Cav-Wagon.
Maybe I’ll start referring to him as: il Ghepardo
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well I am full on the Cavendish bandwagon...and have been for awhile.
…best to look at his full quote and not jump to the wrong comnclusion
did he mention in what way?
Bad planning, teammates with conflicting plans, a lot of your competitors getting stuck back a ways? That is, are you sure he was dissing the overall quality of the other riders, or is that an assumption? (This is intended as a legit question—I don’t have the audio / don’t have the context.)
true, could be a context question....
Bah....Cavendish?!
by bradBordeaux on Jul 6, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
the peloton not coming together...
First words from Mark Cavendish: ‘How we rode, it was incredible. No-one wanted to help Saxo Bank – it was like a Junior race with no-one contributing. Everyone is nervous about the Team Time Trial tomorrow…..What a way to hit it on the other teams……It showed the domination we have……..It was closer than it was yesterday. Thor is one of the best sprinters on the planet, but again Mark Renshaw did everything right again. I went with less than 200m to go, and with the head wind it was going to be a hard finish……today I’m taking the victory for the team. I won that from a small group and that group was made by our team.’
Yeah that really doesn't seem objectionable...
…cherry picking quotes is dangerous. That said, THR might have to get used to getting no help on stages like this. If Cav / their leadout train is that unbeatable, people are going to start not helping.
It was in the sense that no one else wanted to ride
He followed up with “it’s a sprintstage, we should work to keep it together for a sprint”. Meant that pros should ride to win not sit in the back and mope, same theme as yesterdays comments.
Cancellara was complaining about that too yesterday,
saying only Columbia were willing to help, even when it was a sprint stage
No problem with the statement given the context
I think he said exactly what GH said. He wasn’t referring to the final sprint as a “junior race”
Can we just say...
…how good a wildcard are Skil/Shimano!
Totally impacting the race. Great choice by ASO.
yeah, but today
works from Columbia was amazing. They work to catch the breakaway, and then made the gap!!this guys will burn all in first week…
by semprenaroda on Jul 6, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
George said it
"The Map is not the Territory" ~ A. Korzybski
by le.tour.fan on Jul 6, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions
Hincapie
“No one else wanted to race today, so we made them pay”
"I get paid to hurt other people. How good is that? How good is that?
I get paid to make other people suffer on my wheel, that's good." Jens!
I wonder if this is what Cav was pissed about too...
…juniors race, lots of wheel sucking.
aren't sprinters the very definition of wheel suckers
Bah....Cavendish?!
by bradBordeaux on Jul 6, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but I think the point is to do with team tactics...
…the interview with Hincapie made it seem as if THR were pissed collectively. Seems like Cav might be expressing that same upset.
And it sounds like GH is confirming
that everyone else has decided to make Columbia do the work. Great, except, uh, didn’t really work, did it?
Pah, if they benefit from an organized race
why should others do their work for them? Serious respect to them for making it work, but they do lose respect points for both whining and crowing. I’ve been a huge fan of the squadra going back to the Telekom days, but they should take deportment lessons from Zabel.
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Hey, if Ursula said Columbia and Saxobank had an agreement
Then either Saxobank misunderstood or Columbia f**ked them over right? Because they well and truly got caught out…
"When he accelerates, he's like Superman emerging from the telephone booth!" La Gazzetta journo Paolo Condo talking about Edvald Boasson Hagen.
not really
Cance was there and didn’t take a single pull.
His team essentially got a day off, except for Jens!.
This will turn out to have been a mistake for Columbia in the long-run; and not that big a deal in the gc. Armstrong is now around 20 seconds ahead of Contador . . . big deal.
I don't think Alberto will care about the time differences
he can smoke them all on the climbs, i think it’s more he’ll be visiting Caisse to sign the dotted line ;)
"When he accelerates, he's like Superman emerging from the telephone booth!" La Gazzetta journo Paolo Condo talking about Edvald Boasson Hagen.
Podium Girls !!
"The Map is not the Territory" ~ A. Korzybski
by le.tour.fan on Jul 6, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions
Do you folks have ADD or something?
- No agreement between Saxo and Columbia. Why wouyld there ever be one?
-Making Columbia work didn’t pay? What is this a one day race? Let’s see Columbia tomorrow. Let’s see what Columbia do in the mountains. Let’s see what Columbia do on all those sprinters stages next week when they have to keep leading the peloton. They are pissed now? Just wait.
Ah apologies...
Swear someone posted about Columbia’s DS saying about an agreement
"When he accelerates, he's like Superman emerging from the telephone booth!" La Gazzetta journo Paolo Condo talking about Edvald Boasson Hagen.
PLEASE SWITCH TO POST STAGE THREAD
Your power is turning our darkness to dawn,
Roll on Columbia, Roll on!
by Chris Fontecchio on Jul 6, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions
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