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Euro-bag_mediumSince the transfer season is the biggest story in our summer doldrums period, I thought it might be worthwhile to look at team budgets. Unfortunately, I don't have the resources of a government intelligence agency at my disposal -- at best, I might be able to round up all the hockey and basketball bloggers on the SBN network and launch a concerted emailing campaign... but this wouldn't be easy, and still might not unlock the secrets of Professional Cycling w/r/t team budgets. So the big enchilada of caveats... I am not sure anyone outside the teams really knows what these budgets are. Well, except the UCI, but their preferred method of distributing information is in vague formulas described with indecipherable generalities. So salaries are up 30 percent over the last six years, and the lowest salary in cycling is €27,500. [And am open to guesses as to who we think the lowest man on the totem pole is!] Whoop-de-doo.

Anyway, someone on the Saxo Bank forum tried to work up comprehensive estimates of all teams in 2008:

Quickstep..............: €13.3
Caisse d'Epargne....: €12.2
Rabobank..............: €11.3
Astana..................: €11.2
Liquigas................: €10.9
CSC-Saxobank......: €10.5
Columbia..............: €10.5
Silence-Lotto.........: €10.5
Lampre................: €9.5
Euskaltel...............: €9.5
Milram.................: €9.3
Gerolsteiner..........: €8.8
SDV (Skil Shimano)..: €8.8
AG2R...................: €8.2
Credit Agricole.......: €8.0
Bouygues Telecom: €7.5
Cofidis.................: €7.5
Garmin-Chipotle....: €7.2
Française des Jeux: €7.1

This person won the "Golden League Fantasy Game," which is more than I can say, so take these numbers for what they are. A few other factoids from the reported world...

  • Katusha's budget exceeds €15 million. Rumors had it as high as €25 before the season, though that doesn't appear to be the case.
  • Riis gets something in the neighborhood of €7.3mil from Saxo Bank and another €4mil from Specialized.
  • Euskaltel have publicly commented that they have a budget of €6.8mil for 2009.
  • Team Sky will have a budget somewhere between €6 - €33 million. That upper figure, if it's accurate, may be over a couple seasons, but as usual details are hard to come by.
  • The Times of London estimated that Team Radio Shack will have a budget of $20 million... and TRS's website reprinted the article without comment.

Anyway, chasing the exact numbers may be an exercise in futility. The more important point is to get an idea as to who is relatively better off than the competition, and might therefore have some greater weight in the transfer game. These various tidbits suggest that Katusha is the biggest player, with Quick Step and Caisse d'Epargne generally being in the upper class, followed by a spate of comparably budgeted teams in Rabo, Leaky, Saxo, Columbia and somehow Silence-Lotto. Astana are listed in there but their future budget may be an entirely different story. Future teams Sky and the Shack are similarly unknowable, though rumored to be strong buyers. As for the working poor, don't expect big signings at French outfits like Bweeg, FDJ or AG2R anytime soon... but the Contador-to-Garmin rumors suggest that in this one case the list may be way off.

As usual, CQRanking.com are utterly indispensible in digging for information, as their searchable transfer database is not to be missed. Using the same info in a perhaps-handier form is the one-stop shopping Wielerflits list. From these sources we can see that the following teams are the biggest buyers:

  • The new teams Sky and Shack, for obvious reasons. The Shack will start with the Postal/Disco/Astana Alumni crew, but after getting the band back together, we shall see. Every Brit ever has been linked to Sky, along with every Irish rider and half of the Scandinavians.
  • Astana, for nearly as obvious reasons (though they will retain a lot of Kazakhs and not sure who else)
  • There may be a bidding war in France, as Agritubel is shutting down and setting Brice and Romain Feillu free, along with David Le Lay, Sylvain Calzati and the iconic Christophe Moreau. Cofidis and FdJ seem to have a large number of roster spots up in the air.
  • Lampre and Liquigas have a lot of decisions to make, though Ballan's return to Lampre probably locks up a lot of their potentially available cash.
  • Katusha are still the Yankees of the transfer market, very active and well-funded, though the bigger picture can be a little hard to decipher. In any event, they will be losing a fair number of guys, so J-Rod isn't likely the last splashy pickup they make.
  • Caisse d'Epargne... CQ puts a lot of guys in the "stay or out" category, which might just mean we don't know, or that their contracts are up. In any event, I wouldn't say for sure that they will be big players, but they're definitely a team to watch. Certainly as long as Contador is on the market. Here's a rumor I'll start: they let J-Rod go to clear some cash off the books for the Accountant! May or may not be true... and doesn't square with some analysis from the J-Rod thread. But you can't stop a good rumor.
  • Fuji-Servetto are even more volatile, and not exactly out of cash. Sleeper!
  • CQRanking seems to have a lot of moves at Columbia, stating as done a Hincapie-to-BMC deal. I can't find anything on that, nor am I certain that Lovkvist and Boasson Hagen are off to Sky, but they do have another boatload of talented guys coming in (Velitses, Bakelandts, Gieselinck, Van Garderen) so it wouldn't shock me.

That's all I got for now. Don't mean to hijack the dicussion below, but I thought it called for a more general thread.

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VeloNews reported team budgets in the 2008 TdF guide.

Don’t know if they did it this year—I didn’t buy one. But in case it’s more accurate than the Saxo forum estimates, here they are (in millions of dollars):

Ag2r-La Mondiale: $11.37
Bouygyues: $11
Caisse d’Epargne: $11
Cofidis: $15.6
Credit Agricole: $10
CSC-Saxo Bank: $11
Euskaltel-Euskadi: $9.4
Francaise des Jeux: $10
Gerolsteiner: $11
Columbia: $11.7
Lampre: $9
Liquigas: $9
Milram: $11
Quick Step: $13.25
Rabobank: $15.6
Saunier Duval: $9
Silence Lotto: $11.75
(Agritubel: $5.75
Barloworld: $5.5
Garmin: $11—these 3 were the Pro Conti teams in the Tour—the rest are Pro Tour)
Some are obviously quite different, like Caisse, others (once translated into Euros) not far off.

Throughout the stage all I kept on thinking was: ‘don’t finish second, you can’t finish second again’.--Heinrich Haussler

by majope on Aug 10, 2009 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Heh

the guy in the Saxo forum was deeply suspicious of these estimates because they came from ASO and vastly inflated Cofidis’ budget. But who the hell knows?

ABRUZZIAM...uh oh

by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 10, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope for Cofidis sake that their number is vastly inflated

Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.

by TheFigurehead on Aug 10, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I seem to remember

that Cofidis drastically cut their budget at the end of last year.

by ursula on Aug 10, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't realize those came from ASO

But now that I do, I found the 2009 budgets on this year’s Tour website (millions of euros):
AG2R: 7.3
Agritubel: 3.7
Astana: 12
BBox: 6.5
Caisse d’Epargne: 7
Cervelo: 8
Cofidis: 8
Euskaltel-Euskadi: 6
Francaise des Jeux: 6
Garmin: 7
Lampre: 6
Liquigas: 6
Quick Step: 9
Rabobank: 10
Silence-Lotto: 6
Skil-Shimano: 4
Columbia: 15
Katusha: 18
Milram: 7
Saxo: 7

Maybe the person who came up with alternate figures is right, but the ASO must be getting these from somewhere. Columbia—HUGE difference from last year. If this is right, they had about twice as much money for 2009 (from the new sponsor?).

Throughout the stage all I kept on thinking was: ‘don’t finish second, you can’t finish second again’.--Heinrich Haussler

by majope on Aug 10, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that sounds right about Columbia, they would have to have serious money to sign all of the men that they have

They seems like about right though because Columbia probably contributed 8.5 million plus and HTC probably gave 5.5 million and then 1 million from other sponors, roughly… That is how they win a lot of races…they can spot talent and then they def. know how to keep them around…

by Vlaanderen90 on Aug 10, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

unpacking Columbia budget

pretty convoluted stuff. HTC just showed up, so I can’t tell if that money is included. It does include the T-Mobile money that’s due to come off the books after this season, so hopefully/presumably HTC is covering that share.

ABRUZZIAM...uh oh

by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 10, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unrelated: Wielerflits translates as Cyclingflash.

I don’t know why but I find this funny.

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"Reality has a well-known Contador bias." -Sui Juris, PdC Editor

by ZoeRochelle on Aug 10, 2009 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

After looking around the transfer rumor mills, apparently Columbia has not offically signed Jan Bakelandts

…which I thought was official a long time ago but I guess not… I think now that HTC has come along with Columbia they are upwards of 15 mil euro budget.

It would be nice though if we could get some hard numbers on budgets though…

by Vlaanderen90 on Aug 10, 2009 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Bakelants

I thought I saw that he signed somewhere else, actually. Meh, can’t remember now. But I do know the Columbia transfer is not confirmed.

by Jen See on Aug 10, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was a report recently that he was close to signing with Lotto.

Link

Throughout the stage all I kept on thinking was: ‘don’t finish second, you can’t finish second again’.--Heinrich Haussler

by majope on Aug 10, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

bene

That was what I was thinking of, I believe.

by Jen See on Aug 10, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

someone

has to ride there.

ABRUZZIAM...uh oh

by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 10, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seller's market?

Just looking at the big picture that Chris is outlining here, I’m concluding that Pro Cycling is looking at seller’s market. Sky, Astana, Katusha, The Shack: four teams that are looking for expensive guys. Throw in the Garmin/CdE Bert bidding war and things look good for riders.

Against that we have posters (gavia?) reporting of rumors that some teams are looking to cut back on the numbers of riders.

Which one is true? And can both be true? Obviously we can’t tell yet if rosters are actually shrinking but we can get a sense already which end might be shrinking: the expense end or the cheap, developmental end. It seems clear that the cheap developmental end might be shrinking, or that end is being farmed out to cheaper teams, if it is actually shrinking at all.

by ursula on Aug 10, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Both

I think it’s both – you have a few new big budget teams looking to attract stars that will get them noticed. And you have a few established teams looking to cut back, and a team like Agritubel dropping out altogether.

Unrelated, but related to transfers. Lampre is not going anywhere as a sponsor, it appears. The team has signed four neo-pros. One has already starting racing for them at the Tour of Portugal, they’ll add another next year, and two more the following year.

by Jen See on Aug 10, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus to add

Barloworld dropping out.

by ursula on Aug 10, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Barloworld the sponsor is leaving.

   They probably will go the way of Credit Agricole but they are trying to get another sponsor.

The first cyclist to stand up to him. And he did it in silence.

by flying dog on Aug 10, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

david le lay

it was a couple of months ago i think, but i remember reading a story on cyclingnews (right after the new site launched), saying he had signed with another french team for next season…AG2R seems to be ringing a bell. i’d look up the story but i’m sure someone here will have a better memory than me :)

as for katusha being the heavyweights…as manchester city are demonstrating so well this summer, having the cash doesn’t mean you’re guaranteed to get what you want. from early on katusha has given off an unhappy vibe (to me at least). two positive tests in a first season are never good, and the whole steegmans business just made the management look out of touch, and unsympathetic to their squad. if i were a rider with any sort of aspirations for next year, i’d look past the money, and think twice.

on the issue of shrinking rosters, i think it’s something we’re going to see more of. this season we’ve seen more victories going to less teams, and as a consequence team managers will be under pressure to get rid of those who aren’t performing. there are going to be a lot of riders scrabbling around for a team before the year ends…

"at the end of the day, it's only the tour de france."- bradley wiggins (and majope)

by Ben Shave on Aug 10, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

all these numbers

being an accountant generally I’m quite good with money…
but lord after the financial year end that is July, I’m so fed up with numbers!
I’m just gonna wait and see…where are you going Bert???!!!

by rbjhan on Aug 10, 2009 10:45 PM EDT reply actions  

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