Transfers 2010
by Bruce Suomi on Aug 11, 2009 3:44 AM EDT
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More news coming out every day:
- Two Belgians to Cofidis, Kevin Ista(Agritubel), Jens Keukeleire (Soenens-Yamadoo).
- Saxo and Caisse are after Soler.
- Caisse not renewing the contracts of Anthony Charteau, Oscar Pereiro, Marlon Perez and Nicolas Portal.
- Vansummeren close to sign with Garmin.
- Van Goolen and Jan Bakelands to *Lotto.
- EBH's manager confirmed this morning that he will be leaving Columbia. Did not mention EBH's new team, but Sky seems most likely.
Majope posted a great link to follow up, http://www.wielerflits.nl/forum/topic/382/. See also:
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Looked at the list of transfers
Some absolutely HUGE moves if they are to be believed. I have to say I am very shocked to see HH leaving. He’s only been with Cervelo for a year now and has had a fantastic season at that. I hope it doesn’t come back to haunt him. I would like to see Dan Martin stay with Garmin, but it makes sense that he’d join Sky. Kroon and Arvesen leaving Saxo is a bit disappointing to me. Saxo not as interesting as they once were if this holds true. Tons of transfers, too many to list. The one that makes perfect sense to me is GH going to BMC. He still gets to race in Europe, but he can wind his career down closer to home and undoubtedly setup his career after racing is finished. Looking at “The Shack”, they pretty much took every good rider from Astana except Contador, wow.
If I just had one more gear, I...
I'm really not convinced about the Dan Martin rumour.
He hasn’t exactly had a good relationship with the British establishment….
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
+1
It makes no sense whatsoever for him to join them & I’m surprised to say the least it’s even been mentioned. Though I guess stranger things have happened…
Wasn't he "British" and not "Irish" before? Racing wise anyways.
Either way, he’s English speaking and a big talent. It’s natural that he would be a target for them.
If I just had one more gear, I...
I believe the "british not irish" part is why he is unlikely at SKY
If I remember, he felt pretty much ignored by the brits (Brailsford) being a climber and hence not of any value to their trackprogram. Not happy with the treatment he opted to ride for Ireland instead.
Yep.
He rode for Britain as a junior but was more or less excluded from the Academy set up because he didn’t ride track & wasn’t able/prepared to work at it. I believe he also had a fair amount of distrust of British Cycling’s emphasis on sports science & numbers stuff. This was before they had the road programme in Quarrata, which, according to Brailsford, was only possible because of the extra funding track success brought with it. But that meant they had no real use for someone like Dan Martin, who was basically left to go to France through the Dave Rayner Fund in the time-honoured tradition. (Although she did ride a bit of track, Nicole Cooke was another rider in a very similar position). A lot of people, Dan Martin included, felt this was pretty wrong & that BC had a responsibility to support all promising cyclists in whatever discipline. So he declared for Ireland at U23 level.
Cycling Weekly article (very much from BC’s point of view).
I'm sure he is a target for them.
To be fair to Brailsford, he’s always expressed a good deal of regret about the whole thing, though at the same time making it pretty clear they wouldn’t have done anything differently.
I just can’t see Dan Martin going there. But as I say, stranger things have happened.
I wouldn't be surprised to see GHH leave Cervelo.
Haussler wants a shot at the green, and since Thor won it this year the team is likely to back him again for it next year. He was also clearly annoyed with team management in an interview before Suisse, when he hadn’t yet been selected for the Tour team:
They’d be stupid not to take me with the form I’ve got…I don’t feel the management trust me for this July, and I really don’t know why. I know it sounds stupid, but I’ve been taking this Tour build-up really seriously. No eating shit food. Going to bed at nine or 10pm. So I feel good. I’m ready to go. And I know my condition’s way better than it was this time last year. I don’t get it. Maybe they feel I got lucky this spring.—Cycle Sport (print)
So, yeah. I could see him going to a team where he gets his own chances.
Throughout the stage all I kept on thinking was: ‘don’t finish second, you can’t finish second again’.--Heinrich Haussler
yeah
was surprised when I read that, but that’s a bad relationship there.
ABRUZZIAM...uh oh
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 11, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
surprised me as well. but if he’s not happy, then he’s not happy. i think his performances in the spring merit team leadership next season, and he shouldn’t have a problem finding a team! he’d look pretty good in argyle…
"at the end of the day, it's only the tour de france."- bradley wiggins (and majope)
one or two people not terribly happy at Cervelo, it seems...
Gerrans/Pawels spring to mind, for a start.
Their DS staff has no experience at this level
there were bound to be some startup troubles.
As for the comment from HH there:
What the hell does he expect? He’s worked with these people for 1/2 of a season. He’s been flopping about for a few seasons before that. He has never done shite at the Tour before. Now he’s been riding out of his skin since Dubai. Could they perhaps be forgiven for raising a slight questionmark for his ability to keep on that level through July?
agree
Not at all surprised they’d wonder about Haussler’s ability ride a good Tour. He’s never ridden well there before, and they had last year’s winner and a former green jersey winner on the team.
Top 10 on 3 stages in the 2008 Tour, including a 4th and a 5th place.
With his leap forward this year, a stage podium was probable and a stage win quite possible. And in the end he did get the team a stage win, so it’s hard to argue with him saying back in June that he should go.
Throughout the stage all I kept on thinking was: ‘don’t finish second, you can’t finish second again’.--Heinrich Haussler
though given that neither he nor they are (presumably) psychic...
… they wouldn’t necessarily have known that… ;-)
Well since they were also going to support the current champ
along with a Green jersey contender they couldn’t afford a deadweight sprinter with fading form. Can’t blame them for taking some time to consider their options. In a way some doubt was justified. He didn’t exactly light up the roads the way he did in march-april.
He was on a tight rein.
There to work for Thor. When he was let loose, he won a stage by over 4 minutes over the 2nd-place finisher.
I’m guessing any hesitation over taking him to the Tour had less to do with his abilities—which had been pretty well proven—than with his role. He wanted stage wins and a shot at green, but Thor was their #1 for that slot. And he’s not a great lead out for Thor because he’s too strong (see MSR, where Hushovd couldn’t keep up). On the other hand, not taking him after his incredible spring would be a major dis.
In the end, I think it worked out as best as it could—HH did some work for Thor and still got a shot at his own stage. But I sure wouldn’t blame him if he does switch teams.
Throughout the stage all I kept on thinking was: ‘don’t finish second, you can’t finish second again’.--Heinrich Haussler
Agree with all of it
except I can’t really recall any sprint where he was there for Thor but that could be me being inattentive as well.
He did precious little work for Thor
Thor’s coach was less than impressed with HH giving 100% in the TT and then being too knackered (or just couldn’t be bothered to dig deep) to be of any help the following day when Cavendish hung on for dear life over the final climb and won ahead of Thor.
Top tens
aren’t worth much, though, when it comes to stages. And they had Sastre to consider.
I didn’t consider him a given at the Tour at all. I was surprised they didn’t take Gerrans, actually.
Totally surprised about Gerrans. A very odd one.
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
Indeed, poor thing
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
I've been wondering about that
I wonder if he didn’t simply got a better offer and that’s what caused the split?
I think he has spent the year on the Sky-payroll
Hard to know if he got an offer after the split from CTT or before. I seem to remember him saying he didn’t know what to do when the CTT split happened but that could be smoke and mirrors.
I definitely think he went to Sky because he wasn't happy
I also think and am quite prepared to be howled down that some of the three remaining places at Sky will likely go to Australians.
He had a dispute
with their Swiss Women’s Team’s director,(Michael something?) who had been put in charge of the Men’s team too. Scotty could see the trouble brewing.
As had been posted before, the guy was in over his head.
It is a testimony to the quality of the riders themselves that they had such great results this year.
You mean Jean-Paul van Poppel?
Father of Boy van Poppel (Rabo U23), married to Mirjam Melchers. Perhaps you were thinking of Michael Zijlaard, married to Leontien van Moorsel?
can someone explain to me
what Karsten Krron has done since winning a tour stage in ’02 (thanks to Erik Dekker)?
He’s over-rated.
No, he doesn't win very much
But he do find his way around the spring classics.
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Aug 11, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
E3? Het Volk?
One of those races…
ABRUZZIAM...uh oh
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 11, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Rund um den Henninger-Turm, twice (2004, 2008)
Always a threat in climby classics. Often just misses the ultimate selection.
Plus second in Amstel Gold Race this year
Podiumed both arrow races his first year at CSC.
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Aug 11, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Would LOVE to see Soler with Saxo
He has the potential to be a bit of a climbing Jens! There’s also a joyousness about him that I love. (A lot of love in this:-l )
http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/31st-vuelta-a-burgos-2-hc/stages/stage-5/photos/74088
+1 Soler obviously has huge potential
Riis could probably get the best out of him like he has with so many. Shame about Kroon and Arvesen though if this is indeed true.
If I just had one more gear, I...
Oh that's a bummer about Portal!
Obviously his health has to come first but I was so hoping he’d make it back. The article doesn’t sound very certain though; it seems to suggest that they’re not sure but that it’s likely. Same with Pereiro….I really hope he continues. He’s too young to hang up his shoes and I’d be really really sad to see him go :-(
The full Caisse article is here: http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=15853
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
Funny thing is..
In a blog on…yesterday! I talked about him looking likely to be the next Beloki :( Nooo
"When he accelerates, he's like Superman emerging from the telephone booth!" La Gazzetta journo Paolo Condo talking about Edvald Boasson Hagen.
Aargh...it's too bad!
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
Indeed! :(
There’s more to it than meets the eye too it seems!
"When he accelerates, he's like Superman emerging from the telephone booth!" La Gazzetta journo Paolo Condo talking about Edvald Boasson Hagen.
yeah I read your blog just now...
well in the AS article he was saying lack of motivation — or at least that’s what google translate told me.
I’m hoping he will feel better…fingers crossed.
Yep.
I’m hoping AV can have words, I can’t think of anyone else who can pull him out of it
"When he accelerates, he's like Superman emerging from the telephone booth!" La Gazzetta journo Paolo Condo talking about Edvald Boasson Hagen.
PTSD
I’d bet any amount of money that the scare he got from last year’s TDF crash has never quite gone away for him. It’d explain a lot of things, including not quite being able to commit yourself to racing again.
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
+2
The way he’s described its mental effect on him sounds pretty major
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
It's actually quite disturbing reading the interview with him.
Hate to say it, but maybe he should call it a day & go do something else, poor bloke.
Where is this article?
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
Right, I'll have a little look later...sandal shopping part 2 is about to commence ;-)
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
Thanks...I will remain perfectly calm at all times and not get stressed!
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
Thanks...gosh, reading that made me pretty sad.
Poor thing, I’d hate to see him go out like this.
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
indeed
take his maillot jaune and go home.
ABRUZZIAM...uh oh
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 11, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Boss Hogg leaves Columbia
But he is still negotiating with a number of teams.
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
Other than Alberto, would this be the biggest pickup of the transfer season?
Young kid who can not only win in the spring on the cobbles, but also in the Summer during a variety of Grand Tour stages. He also can win on various types of terrain, from a breakaway, from a group sprint or during a selection on a moderately hilly stage.
Is he a legitimate contender for the Green Jersey if he doesn’t have to lead out Cav or another sprinter?
On a side note, when I was in Belgium for the Classics this year, we stayed at a cycling house that was hosting members of the Norwegian Junior and U23 teams. They all loved Boss Hog and couldn’t stand Thor. Seems Thor has a bit of an ego.
Green jersey: probably
I don’t think he’s got the top speed to really compete with the very best on a regular basis, but he is good enough to get a decent amount of points and he is better than the others in the mountains. And I believe that there are things that he can do that we haven’t seen so far. (Some people have claimed that he’s a future GT winner, but I’m not convinced. Yet.)
I don’t know about Thor, but compared to Edvald more or less anyone seems to have a bit of an ego. Boss Hogg is supposed to be really humble guy overall.
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Aug 11, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
is that a nickname
anywhere else but here? we need to export it somehow
"at the end of the day, it's only the tour de france."- bradley wiggins (and majope)
need to be careful, cause bruyneel is known as "the hog", and not for good reasons
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
sniff
I will shed a tear or two, at least if he goes to a crap team (please not Lotto)
ABRUZZIAM...uh oh
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 11, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sort of iffy about this
If Columbia don’t come up with the money for EBH, who will they spend money on?
On the other hand, if he moves because Cav’s presence will hold him back, Col-HTC is seriously risking becoming a one trick pony.
If Stapleton & Co are gambling that they have new talent coming in they are living dangerously. They have been unbelievably lucky with Cav and EBH racking up wins from year one. They can’t count on every rider having the same development-curve.
Edvald won races like there were no tomorrow two years ago
I don’t see anyone with his talent that is set to join Columbia next year. Whatever they’re doing, they’re doing it wrong.
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Aug 11, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Wonder if
Columbia’s medium term strategy is much as it has been, i.e. to get as many wins as possible from all sections of the team, plus building a team round Cav for, say, the Tour, or whether they imagine morphing into more of a conventional GT team with someone like, say, Tony Martin as the GC contender?
Does the dwindling of the T-Mobile settlement money maybe have something to do with it?
They have signed a bunch of lower priced youngsters already.
Thought so, yes
My impression – totally unconfirmed – is that they have plenty of cash.
But I could also see a rider like Boasson-Hagen wanting to go to a less crowded team. Columbia-HTC is stacked – and it’s clear that the team will be built around Cavendish at the grand tours, which doesn’t leave much space for anyone else’s ambitions. A young rider who can win as often as Boasson-Hagen potentially can, well, it makes sense for him to look elsewhere in my view.
They need another sponsor just to compensate for the fact that Cav is a winning machine.
Fastest man in the peloton commands a huge paycheck.
The first cyclist to stand up to him. And he did it in silence.
Why does Vansummeren to Garmin make Garmin sound so much more legit?
The first cyclist to stand up to him. And he did it in silence.
i think is a big blow for Silence
the team is losing his identidy and betting in Cadel!! Hoste alone can do nothing, and Vansummeren still has many years to be a star of the cobles.
by semprenaroda on Aug 11, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it gives Garmin a pretty impressive cobbles lineup
Maaskant has proven he’s not a fluke, although i’m not sure if he has what it takes to win. I see him racking up a lot of top 10s and a few podiums in his career. Same with Van Summeren. I’m not sure if he has a win in Flanders or Roubaix in him, but I think he could be consistently top 10 with a few podiums in his career. Throw in Farrar for GW and as a very outside chance at Flanders and PR, and you have three extremely solid options.
The support should be solid as well, with Cozza, Meatball and Tuft all able to either get in an early break or protect the leaders.
The wildcard is Wiggins. Trying the classics out last year, he got 25th at PR and made the main split at GW for a 23rd. The question is whether or not he will pass on the classics now that he has become a GC racer. I hope not, but that’s how it seems to go nowadays.
For 2010, Garmin could line up with Maaskaant, Van Summeren, Farrar, Wiggins, Cozza, Meatball, Tuft and Sutton. I would take that.
by PopUp Rolen on Aug 11, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I will paint myself purple and shout Gora! Gora! Gora! on the Wall next year
if I see Wiggo on the cobbles at Flanders or GW. Maybe he’ll show up to support Maaskant at Roubaix. But he’s going to avoid injury-riddled races like the plague next year in his run at being second to the Accountant.
Barrign an AC injury, that's all the rest can hope for isn't it?
his run at being second to the Accountant.
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"Reality has a well-known Contador bias." -Sui Juris, PdC Editor
by ZoeRochelle on Aug 11, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Great move for Garmin
Van Summer Ale seems like an excellent teammate. Strong dude too — he and Maaskant could really get after it in Paris-Roubaix. He’s only 28… just a great pickup by JV.
ABRUZZIAM...uh oh
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 11, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Plus...
…Garmin adding a real Dutch/Flemish subset within the team. Bet Farrar living in Ghent, Maaskant, Huub Dyun, now Vansummeren and iirc they signed one other young Dutch rider, they’ve got a little crew there, so these riders aren’t going to be isolated on a primarily Anglophone team. No question they’re serious about the classics and pursuing them in a way that keeps their ‘team chemistry’ thing intact.
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
At this early stage with nothing much settled
Gamin is looking real real good.
Now let’s see what really happens.
I suspect
that was part of the negotiations.
"It looks like talking, but it’s just words that comes out"
~ Andy Schleck
I'd love to see VanSummeren get his own.
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"Reality has a well-known Contador bias." -Sui Juris, PdC Editor
Skil-Shimano drops Hivert and Lemoine
Or rather: decides not to extend their contracts. I’m a bit puzzled by that decision.
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
Me, too
At first I thought it might be: “Those Frenchies got us into the Tour, we did well there so should be set for next year, now ditch the Frogs.” But then I saw they did sign another Frenchman.
Not picking up an option
can’t be related to a riders price going up can it? (Salary should be fixed unless there is some kind of result-based clause?). Thinking of Hivert who should be quite attractive given his results.
Hmmm
Where’s Jonathan going?
Cd’E are shedding Charteau and Portal, in my dream world that means they should take on Hivert to restore French numbers…
But i’m guessing he’ll end up a French team
"When he accelerates, he's like Superman emerging from the telephone booth!" La Gazzetta journo Paolo Condo talking about Edvald Boasson Hagen.
Levi also being linked to BMC
Throughout the stage all I kept on thinking was: ‘don’t finish second, you can’t finish second again’.--Heinrich Haussler
Santa Rosa isn't a drama kind of place either.
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"Reality has a well-known Contador bias." -Sui Juris, PdC Editor
but the article talks about a tour invite in 2011
not sure Levi would want to miss a year of the grand tours,
ok that article doesn't seem to say it now
but I’m sure I read it somewhere earlier today with regard to BMC.
Levi is very good friends with Scott Nydam. And BMC is based in Santa Rosa (I think.)
Makes complete sense to me.
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"Reality has a well-known Contador bias." -Sui Juris, PdC Editor
by ZoeRochelle on Aug 11, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Now that I thought about it
I’d bet heavily on Levi using BMC to drive up his price for the Lance Shack.
That, or possibly, just possibly, Levi's as disgusted by what happened at the tour...
…as are a lot of others. GH and LL not going to The Shack, but to another small but growing Euro-American team would be a quiet, but really startling repudiation of the entire LA/JB circus. But I can really see it, from two guys who are late in their careers, had established positions of respect independent of LA then (in different ways) found themselves sucked back into the whirlwind and decided that they really would rather do their own thing, mentor some promising youngsters, and have a calmer, more supportive and affirmative environment than all that.
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
If you believe this
I got some property in AZ with a beautiful ocean view. I will concede GH may be having these thoughts, LL not so much.
I think your dislike for LA/JB might be clouding your judgement about this.
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on Aug 11, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
remember
if there’s anyone in US cycling (besides Chris Horner, Marty Jemison, Kevin Livingston, Chann McRae, Floyd Landis, and Frankie Andreu . . . ok . . . it’s a long list) who has reason to doubt how he’;; be treated in a totally Armstrong-run program . . . it’s Leipheimer.
Review 2001 . . . negotiating team transfers after the Vuelta for leaders isn’t easy . . .
I just don't see it
He’s come across as very pro-Lance ever since the comeback started. 2001 is 8 years ago and that’s a lot of time to mature.
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on Aug 11, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
But what else are you going to do if you know you are stuck with LA for at least a season.
Maybe LL just made the best of it.
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"Reality has a well-known Contador bias." -Sui Juris, PdC Editor
If you believe this and
I have some additional property I would like to add to that comment. I think some people are assuming there is a “great benefit” to stepping down to a smaller team. BMC doesn’t get invited to all the big European Races so LL and GH would have to accept a lesser profile if you will. I would find that very surprising if that is what LL and GH want.
Alpe Du Huez is my favorite place on earth!!!!!!
JB has stuck a knife in LL's back before
and i don’t think that LL is super happy being any ones Super domestique. Maybe he figures that he would rather win the ToC and Suisse and romandie a couple of times than be lances whipping boy at LA Shack.
He had the Disco leadership locked until JB hires Basso. The accountant wins the tour, Lance returns Kloden joins and now LL is sitting somewhere in the 4th or 5th spot on the team.
by bought with blood on Aug 11, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say I believe it...
…I raised it as a possibility. Yeah, publicly he’s been the soul of diplomacy. Of course, it’d be wildly stupid for him to be otherwise given his position. Quite likely he stays within the fold, but if he leaves, I’d have to say the logic would be something like what I suggested above.
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
a how you say it "pension plan"
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"Reality has a well-known Contador bias." -Sui Juris, PdC Editor
Or that...
…but I think you and I agree about LL’s aversion to drama, midwestern reserve and knowing where your bread is buttered or not.
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
Sorry
When you said
But I can really see it
I thought it equaled “believe”. Regarding:
I didn’t say I believe it…
My bad.
"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden
by run Bevo run on Aug 12, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris
Have you locked up Gavia, Ursula and the rest of your team for 2010?
I hear CN and VN are sniffing around.
Moo
No one else would allow ursula to target the very minor spanish stageraces
so he’s obviously not going anywhere.
It is well known that there are moneytroubles since Drew squandered the petty cash. A major inflow of cash from a norwegian source apparently went up in smoke for unknown reasons. Can’t imagine why? We do nothing but praise the f***ers here.
What happened in Vegas
was supposed to stay in Vegas……….
I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man.
Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last have you no sense of decency?
I mean blowing $3.27 all in one trip. The nerve.
The $3.27 was nothing
The money he spent on a webapp designed to trawl and auto-translate latvian webpages for the latest cyclinginfo was the straw that broke the camels back.
Fucking Latvians........
I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man.
Those penny slots really hook you in.
I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man.
Steephill already singed Gavia for a multi year contract... or so I heard.
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"Reality has a well-known Contador bias." -Sui Juris, PdC Editor
by ZoeRochelle on Aug 11, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
hopefully she negotiated for her photographer too....
by Christopher See on Aug 11, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
What about the Bennati Research Operatives?
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
lol
Yes, they need to be there too.
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
+another snort
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
Ursula to VN rumors...
…are false. I just don’t have their journalistic standards. At least I think I don’t because I have yet to see any on their part.
Don't worry, the cock will gladly double his pieces over how great Lance is(greatest...EVER!)
"On a personal level, I have never had admiration for him and I never will"
~AC about LA, me about Johan "drama queen" Bruyneel
lol
right, i was just going to say: which means i would fit right in ;-)
on a more serious note, i’m not sure that velonews has any women on their full-time writing staff. i do know at least one woman regularly does free-lancing for them, but the full-time staff is a bit of a dudecruise, last i checked.
Dudecruise - that's a great word
Sounds much better than ‘sausage party’ in mixed company.
Once again, Gav knows the perfect thing to say. Chris, bump her salary 10% (and cut Jens. He’s getting free health care, he can take the hit).
I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man.
I patted them on the head a few times
That should do it. Plus some begging on the side.
ABRUZZIAM...uh oh
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 11, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Can anybody confirm the 'Jens to IKEA' rumors?
I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man.
My guess
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Aug 11, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Moncoutié
Moncoutié is considering another year with Cofidis, his fourteenth as a pro. If he rides next year, he would focus on the shorter stage races and the Vuelta, while giving the Tour a pass.
Pretty much like this year then
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Aug 11, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
well, he has won Tour stages in the past
he’s saying now that he wouldn’t ride it at all, which is a change.
Just some snark
Based on that he did next to nothing in Tour this year (I for one thought he would look very cute in polkadots).
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Aug 11, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
didn't the management want him to leave
and the sponsor stepped in and said no?
"at the end of the day, it's only the tour de france."- bradley wiggins (and majope)
Wielerfits on Twitter is cranking out the transfer tweets
http://twitter.com/Wielerflits
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"Reality has a well-known Contador bias." -Sui Juris, PdC Editor
and google translate handles dutch pretty well
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"Reality has a well-known Contador bias." -Sui Juris, PdC Editor
by ZoeRochelle on Aug 11, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
goog translation has been the bomb lately....
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Aug 11, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate the fact that work won't let me on Twitter.
I feel so cut off!
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
What would I do without you people? ;-)
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
sacrilege!
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
by umwolverine on Aug 11, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
Is that a village on the BC coast?
ABRUZZIAM...uh oh
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 11, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, yep, in all probability.
You lot are such a bad influence on me.
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
Not every Iberian can go with Bert to a new team.
I mean we can’t expect Bert’s new team to take four or so extra riders. Paulinho probably got a superior cash offer and it’s good that he took it. And Lance Shack got a decent climber and good chronoman. win-win.
Does signing that Spaniard make Horner mad?
"On a personal level, I have never had admiration for him and I never will"
~AC about LA, me about Johan "drama queen" Bruyneel
Wondering about Horner
I’ve seen him listed for The Shack but is that confirmed? I can’t imagine Bruyneel was too pleased with his behavior after his Tour non-selection (asking to be released to ride for another team and self-servingly accusing Bruyneel of undermining Armstrong). I think he’s a great racer and apparently Armstrong likes him, but at some point his antics and salary demands might be too much.
"It's just a bike race" - Frank Schleck
JB's twitter messages inspired Horner so much he couldn't possibly blame him
"On a personal level, I have never had admiration for him and I never will"
~AC about LA, me about Johan "drama queen" Bruyneel
"Our mind loves to complicate things, but we can't complicate the truth. Truth is by nature always very simple!"
"On a personal level, I have never had admiration for him and I never will"
~AC about LA, me about Johan "drama queen" Bruyneel
"Sometimes it is better to be silent and thought a fool, than to speak up and remove all doubt"
ain’t that the truth
No kidding.
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
I like Jens response because...
taking this shit too seriously is what’s rediculous.
No horn, watch for finger.
Wait, he wasn't just thinking out loud when he wrote that comment?!
he was hypocritical enough to write that about somebody else?! What a shameful act!
But I liked the one tweet he had in response to someone who asked if it was true that AC was left without a car in Annecy. He tweeted to him to stop wasting his time with it already, which isn’t really a denial now is it?
"On a personal level, I have never had admiration for him and I never will"
~AC about LA, me about Johan "drama queen" Bruyneel
No, it isn't.
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
What an honor!
if I were to ever use twitter the first thing I’d do is tweet him that world would be better off if he would not share his thoughts, well, anywhere really, and then get banned by him!
"On a personal level, I have never had admiration for him and I never will"
~AC about LA, me about Johan "drama queen" Bruyneel
Clear enough to get a bunch of "damn Spaniards!" comments
No, I don’t mean that it was Horner’s intention to get them.
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Aug 11, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, but he does in the local TV interview that was posted during the tour (I think it was linked on PdC but I can’t find it now). Horner is talking about how the team was chosen to divide strength behind AC and LA, and the interviewer asks him if he was left off the team to “limit Lance’s strength” or something to that effect, and Horner gives his “Oh, absolutely” and implies that if he had been on the team, LA would have been strong enough to win. Then he dismisses it all as “politics” without entertaining the idea that maybe helping AC would be good for the team. I don’t think he mentions Bruyneel by name and it’s not particularly nasty, but I assume team management (aka Bruyneel) would have much rather he said something bland about being the 10th man.
"It's just a bike race" - Frank Schleck
divide
and conquer!
ABRUZZIAM...uh oh
by Chris Fontecchio on Aug 11, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Azevedo could go to the team too
doing staff roles.
by semprenaroda on Aug 11, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
interesting
Paulinho said that was the only offer he got. and Bert/Hernandez/Noval/Navarro all in talks with CdE…
hmmm, very interesting….
That quashes the ever-unlikely Martin-to-Sky rumour once & for all, then...
… but, alas, not the Robbie Hunter-to-Garmin one.
If these things had to make sense
we could forget half of these rumors (and 100% of the X to Silence-Lotto rumors) and where’s the fun in that?
What??? George Kennan is going to Lotto? Wow!
Is this an attempt to contain… Katusha? Is Dean Acheson next on Lotto’s wish list?
Excellent
I’d like to see Martin stay with Garmin. I’d also like to see Contador riding for anybody but Garmin.
Cervelo comes to mind.
I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man.
Well, Sastre working for Bert - yes.
I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man.
that would be interesting, as the two don't get along
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Does Sastre get along with anyone these days?
he seems so…grumpy
"On a personal level, I have never had admiration for him and I never will"
~AC about LA, me about Johan "drama queen" Bruyneel
My point exactly
I’m not a big AC fan so I’d find it amusing for him to go to a team and immediately start some bad chemistry. Cervelo would be perfect for that.
I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man.
Says Hayman to undisclosed team
but http://www.wielerupdate.nl/nieuws/2009/08/11/rabobank-geeft-steven-kruijswijk-profcontract_12395/ says Hayman to Sky. That would make two Rabos to Sky (him and Flecha).
Wiggo is fast rising on my 'have a cold one with a rider' list.
Rarely hath someone poured cold water on the rumor mill with such obliquely humorous flair.
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
Apart from the fact
he’s spent the last fortnight or so winding it up himself…
Plus, he’d drink me under the table.
I think one drunken (and likely sarcastic) remark...
…retracted the next day hardly counts as spending two weeks winding it up. Is there something I missed (entirely possible)? Assuming not, this just feels like one of those rumors that was debunked weeks ago, but the press (and I’ve seen English, French, and CN/VN repeat it) refused to let die.
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
ooops.
I really meant to bang on the idiot cycling press, not you.
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
plus
are you on twitter? quick search of @bradwiggins to see the hares he’s set running… ;-)
(Not a criticism of Wiggins, btw, but he’s a wind-up merchant, always has been for as long as I’ve followed him).
absolutely true
it’s always enjoyable in the post-olympic uk media frenzy to watch some clown interview him, and he just rips it out of them. i think he’s being pretty honest here, he’s got options, and he’s thinking it over…
"at the end of the day, it's only the tour de france."- bradley wiggins (and majope)
I believe Twitter was created for Wiggins.
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"Reality has a well-known Contador bias." -Sui Juris, PdC Editor
Heinrich Hausler
My dream spot for HH would be rabbobank. I think it would make them a potential classics monster and HH could develop into the type of rider who has a great spring and doesn’t detract from a GT team by wanting the Green Jersey. Hausler for RVV and PR Gesink for AG FW and LBL as well as the tour. Send menchov out to pick up the Pink and Gold and the team is all set!!
by bought with blood on Aug 11, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions
Well he has just missing the win down put
so he could be quite a good fit for Rabo../snark
"On a personal level, I have never had admiration for him and I never will"
~AC about LA, me about Johan "drama queen" Bruyneel
If Langeveld and HH
Were on the same team they probably couldn’t have lost Het Volk
by bought with blood on Aug 11, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I don't want HH by Rabo.
But itwould be a perfect match. Attaking and a rider who has a good finish, finally.
Anyone think a Pro Conti or PT team will make an offer to Rory Sutherland?
From reading his blog he seems happy on the US domestic scene but he is a very talented rider.
I doubt it...He was with Rabobank back in 2005, If my year is correct, and was busted for a drug called Clomiphene at the Deutschland Tour
which is an anti-estrogen drug that is used to help women get pregnant and has never been shown to help with endurance performance though it has been shown to reduce the effects of muscle damage after exercise…He was banned for 15 months and hasn’t had any drive to ever race in Europe again. I think that he is probably in a nice comfort zone, getting a good salary and has no complaints
by Vlaanderen90 on Aug 11, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Elephants in the room.
Sky and LA Shack. If either or both get pro tour licenses there will a lot more people changing teams. I know that a lot of young americans think the world of Lance, look out Garmin. Should keep transfer season interesting for a long time. And a lot of riders would be wise to hold out to see their value if a bidding war breaks out.
The first cyclist to stand up to him. And he did it in silence.
Paulinho didn't wait.
It doesn’t look like Garmin has anything to worry about, they seem to be racking up an impressive all-around team. Columbia is the one that looks to be crumbling, oddly.
No horn, watch for finger.
Is Columbia crumbling?
We don’t even know for sure how the transfers are going to shake out—yeah, Boss Hogg will be a loss, and Lovkvist if he goes, but the two of them combined for about the same number of wins as Gerdemann and Ciolek last year, and the team went on without them. Hincapie’s done a great job helping Cavendish this year, but he’s 36 now, so it was just a matter of time before they lost him. And they are bringing in a lot of new young talent.
Just seems like a sort of natural turnover for a team that does a great job of developing talent and then ends up with too many potential stars.
Throughout the stage all I kept on thinking was: ‘don’t finish second, you can’t finish second again’.--Heinrich Haussler
I tend to agree.
The promising young riders possibly leaving Columbia are doing so because they’re more or less blocked from taking on any more significant role than they have there, or the team isn’t really set up to support them. That’s not bad, it’s just realistic.
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
"Crumbling" was the wrong choice.
I just don’t like the changes there. Doesn’t look to be too positive yet. We lost the “blue train” for fake abs and white bottoms. I think a lot of guys heard they weren’t changing the kits next year and that was the last straw. But seriously, with such notable and respected riders leaving I don’t see the same kind chemistry or success continuing.
Of course, Cav will continue to bring a slew of wins.
No horn, watch for finger.
They aren't crumbling but they eventually they need to focus on something more than stage wins if they want to keep getting talent...
I’m sure Van Garderen will not be happy if he has to be Cavendish’s domestique even if he wins Avenir this year. They really should try to create a separation so that they can at least try to do something else, like go for podiums in Grand Tours and stage races. Also, what if Greipel starts to get sick of having to go to second tier races and sprinting against the likes of Graeme Brown and wants to try something else…that would be 15 wins gone. Eventually, it is going to be hard to keep everybody happy because if they get guys that can win they might feel like they are being held back if they have to support somebody else constantly
by Vlaanderen90 on Aug 11, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
According to Scott Sunderland
Sky only have three roster places unconfirmed. Of course, it could be smoke & mirrors.
Do we think they have a major GC rider yet?
Both Wiggins and (until recently) Nibali in the picture. Makes you think they don’t have a big kahuna yet. Can’t think of a name except Evans and that would have made some noice since he is under contract, wouldn’t it?
Gosh....they've kept a lot of transfers secret if that's the case!
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
yeah I thought this looking at the rumours
there seem to be a lot which are unlikely (like the Dan Martin thing), or have been since proved to be untrue (main example Nibali) so to have filled all those gaps I’d imagine there will be quite a lot of surprises once everything is properly unveiled.
Some which were mentioned in this week’s Cycling Weekly which don’t seem to have been mentioned here are Arvesen (though I have also read that he has been offered big money by them, but ideally would stay at Saxo Bank), Geoffroy Lequatre and Millar, which surprised me since I get the impression Brailsford wouldn’t even take on a ‘reformed’ doper, even though I think he is quite close to Millar.
Dan Martin to Sky's been denied by both sides now.
Millar, yes he & Brailsford are close, in fact Millar pretty much owes Brailsford his career, but you can’t write a recruitment strategy stating that no one with a previous doping violation will be hired & then hire Millar without looking totally daft. Even if his sister is working for the team.
That or most of its roster is going to be composed of continental riders
You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.
Continental riders...Darren Lapthorne was on the rumour list
Wonder if they will scoop up any of the better domestic pros…?
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
Russ Downing has had a pretty raw deal with teams I think.
Was he not in talks with Cofidis when he was younger but wasn’t allowed to go on a technicality as he was contracted to the Linda McCartney team, even though it had already collapsed? He’s been going so well for the past two years, but I guess he’s not getting any younger. Tom Southam would be nice, but then he’s out of favour with the British establishment isn’t he? Or dare I say Kristian House….he hasn’t won much in the past couple of years but is a very strong team rider, and then he beat a mega field at the Nats…possibly a pipe dream on my part but who knows?
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
Tom Southam's back in favour now
but I think that he’s married to an Australian and spends half his year out there.
Yes he is/does
But that’s no reason why he couldn’t ride for Sky….he rides for a British team now after all
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
Chicken Rasmussen might sell his soul to join them.
Mon coeur appartient aux les forçats de la route.
You can go your own way everyone.
With all these rumors/rumours how about Contador going to Milram? If something like that occurred then no one would have any hindsight about it happening, especially not Scott Sunderland.
Mon coeur appartient aux les forçats de la route.
Any news on the Schlecklet?
Would be gutted if he went to the LanceShack to be a superdomestique, but rumours were pretty strong…
The battle between CDE and Garmin to get Contador seems to be heating up.
No horn, watch for finger.
Tony Martin stays with Columbia
Turned down an offer from LA/The Shack
http://www.tour-magazin.de/?p=7309
good for martin
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
big surprise, jani's website has him following la to radioshack
http://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/5210/brajkovic-naar-radioshack,-bole-naar-lampre.html
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
Big George to the Shack
As per CN. Of course this may all be crap but the story is there nonetheless.
If I just had one more gear, I...
I read the same story
and I don’t think it tells us anything. Even Armstrong doesn’t say Big George is going to the Shack. I think ‘mooted’ is the operative word.
i actually read that as sounding like it was more likely that he wasn’t going to the Shack. If he was, I think LA would have twitted it by now.
"It looks like talking, but it’s just words that comes out"
~ Andy Schleck
Yeah
I take “He’s already committed. Has been since before we got our funding.” to mean that he already got a deal with another team.
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Aug 14, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Contador tp QS?
Swedish site Cykelnytt (swedish) reports that Quickstep has met with Fran Contador during the Tour de France and met with Bert during post tour crits in Netherlands last week.
WTF?
Can you imagine that? Contador having to ride for Boonen in PR/Flanders? I’m just kidding by the way. But seriously, WTF? if this is true.
If I just had one more gear, I...
It truly is the silly season...
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
if conta brings his 3 pals with him, what's to worry about?
"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind
I don't think it will
happen with QS. I think they will have to get another sponsor too. But, i do have to say it would be brilliant of Patrick if of all teams, he was the one who pulled it off!
by cyclingdiva on Aug 14, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
van Goolen is leaving Saxo but has no contract elsewhere as of yet...
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/van-goolen-to-leave-saxo-bank-at-end-of-season
"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.
I bet he's going there.
So little I know in cycling but this one has been percolating in a very quiet way in some news sources in Oz. Scott Sunderland ha salso been a long term supporter of Evans.
Kessiakoff to Garmin? Kwiatkowski to QS or CdE?
http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=16012
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
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