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LiveStrong Global Cancer Summit


Some of you may remember some of the promises made by The Most Controversial Cyclist In the Whole History Of The Ever Ever when He returned to the pro peloton last year. One of them, you may recall, was to host a Global Cancer Summit in Paris immediately after the Tour de France ended. Indeed, this Global Cancer Summit seemed at the time to the be the favoured reason-of-the-day as to why He was throwing his leg over a pushbike once more and gracing us again  with His luminous presence. But, as with the Most Rigorous And Transparent Testing Progranmme Ever, things didn't quite work out as planned. And His Global Cancer Summit yesterday kicked off in the main hall of the RDS in Dublin, which the previous week played host to some wedding fair or other.

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Here's where you can help me - how global is a Global Cancer Summit? While the Irish media are paying attention to events in the RDS - the Irish minister for health, Mata Harney, has promised to ban all use of sunbeds as a cure for cancer - just how much coverage is this summit generating in your neck of the woods? Primetime? Or relegated to page 92, beneath the fold? Answers in the comment box thingey below. And TIA for em, whatever they are.

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INB4 LANCEBASH 08/09

"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden

by run Bevo run on Aug 25, 2009 9:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So you didn't

fancy popping out for a quick spin at half five then? ;-)

Sunbeds are evil. Ban them I say!

by civetta on Aug 25, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree with sunbeds.. At least in australia

a whole heap of laws have been set up.. Due to a Brave young girl who let her battle with cancer known.

"the rest was over 30. And that doesn't mean old and useless, but experienced and with the stamina"

Jens! Voigt, Crit Intl Interview, 2009

by CycleGirl on Aug 25, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You didn't go and join Fonzy's celebration ride then?!

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Aug 25, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

alas, Newcastle to Thurcroft before 10am would’ve been a bit much, especially on a work day ;-)

by civetta on Aug 26, 2009 6:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm, true! Would have been worse from London sadly!

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Aug 26, 2009 6:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was more tempted to loiter round the front of the RDS clutching a carton of cigarettes, just to see what reaction I could get from the assembled cancer junketeers.

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Aug 26, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ban sunbeds?

how else are drug dealers going to launder their cash?

by Monty. on Aug 26, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the ToB has the orange podium girls again

I’ll be perfectly prepared to overlook that minor inconvenience.

by civetta on Aug 26, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha!

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Aug 27, 2009 6:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As for the summit,

Only things i’ve heard are the cycling internet sites.. No mainstream media coverage…

"the rest was over 30. And that doesn't mean old and useless, but experienced and with the stamina"

Jens! Voigt, Crit Intl Interview, 2009

by CycleGirl on Aug 25, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As I channel-surfed this morning during my daily curling iron struggles,

(not done simultaneously, mind,) the CBS Morning Show news had a bit on the GCS and Lance. It was the “feel good” story at the end of the other scary news of the day. They showed a few brief shots of him in Dublin but the only substantive info in the piece was that livestrong.org is not seeing the same drop-off in donations that other charity orgs are seeing.

by Ruthann on Aug 25, 2009 7:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Daily curling iron struggles? Hahaha.

Funny how us people with curly hair are always trying to make it straighter!

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Aug 26, 2009 4:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't know it was happening

If it was in the mainstream press here, I missed it entirely.

by gavia on Aug 25, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nothing here

at least not in google searches or google news with Dutch settings or with “site:.nl” added. I don’t read a general newspaper so perhaps I missed something.

by tedvdw on Aug 25, 2009 8:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

heh

Read the NY Times every day. On paper. Silly, but can’t break the habit.

by gavia on Aug 25, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too. Just as I like proper books.

"If I were World Road Race Champion, I would wear black shorts. That probably has more to do with me being on the wiser side of 30 and understanding better that the decisions I make now never really go away. White shorts would not be something I'd be proud of...." - David Millar, in Rouleur.

by Albertina on Aug 26, 2009 6:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, real books are the bomb... however, i have been relegated to kindle...

the arthritis in my hands and wrists makes holding books (tomes often) a bit problematic… plus the declining vision…

"Wizard's first rule. People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true." -- Terry Goodkind

by umwolverine on Aug 26, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm

Never tried it. But the idea of peering at a screen any more than I do already… plus I’d drop it in the bath.

by civetta on Aug 26, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Books are my passion

but have also discovered the joys of talking books. fantastic for driving

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Aug 26, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i heart books

the shack is totally overflowing with them. heh, hope there isn’t an earthquake.

by gavia on Aug 27, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a surfer I really recommend 'Breath'

My signature is about surfing not cycling and Tim Winton is not only a stunning novelist, but a great surfer :)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Aug 28, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

cool

I’ll look for it. Thanks :-)

by gavia on Aug 28, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In case you're worried it might be crap,

and you’re just being polite, Tim Winton has been short listed for the Booker prize, although not for this.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Aug 28, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

US News and World Report

had a bit on the Livestrong Foundation work and the summit in Dublin in the Health Day section.

And this post, lame. So now anyone associated with LA is subject to attacks by association? Mata Harney did not say or suggest that the ban on all use of sunbeds is “a cure” for cancer.

No horn, watch for finger.

by sminer on Aug 25, 2009 8:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sminer, Mata Harney is always subject to attacks. It’s practically a national pasttime.

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Aug 26, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see any attack on those who attack cancer, with or without Lance.

I see a reasonable question—and no, I have not seen anything about this summit in the “paper,” either online, or locally, nor on what little I’ve seen of TV news (which would be the ticker on the TV in the gym). Too bad, given we just had a big study come out about sunbeds/tanning beds and cancer.

by JFS_PGH on Aug 26, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've seen some reports on CNN

and pics on the AP wire of Lance speaking on the first day.

by Katiek on Aug 25, 2009 10:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Whatever you think of his motivations or his effectiveness...

LA is putting considerable effort and resources into fighting cancer. If you don’t give him credit for anything else, give him credit for that. It’s more than most people are doing.

by tgartner on Aug 26, 2009 3:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I do give him credit for that...

… but sometimes it’s quite hard to separate out the actual charity work from the global brand, though I guess he’d argue the global brand is the face of the charity work. I feel with Armstrong it’s all a bit confused a lot of the time. When he announced his comeback, he said initially that his motivation was to raise awareness of cancer. I think, in all honesty, it hasn’t really panned out that way. Plus, for my own reasons, I’m not terribly keen on the simplicity of the Livestrong message, the “fighting” cancer thing, though I also know many people have found it helpful. But certainly in the UK, if I was going to support/give money to that cause I’d support Macmillian & Cancer Back Up (now the same organization) because they are very clear in precisely what it is they do and have a more nuanced way of expressing it.

Just my view, I hasten to add.

by civetta on Aug 26, 2009 6:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course & I don't doubt it.

But when LA is out on his bike in Paisley, the Nike/Livestrong kit looks like just another brand. & the brand is Lance…

by civetta on Aug 26, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why is that a problem?

"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden

by run Bevo run on Aug 27, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Without wishing to repeat my longer post above,

it isn’t, necessarily. I get the impression I’m not really its intended audience, either. ;-)

by civetta on Aug 27, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

& as I said in the Glasgow thread

I’ll happily praise him for his sterling (though doubtless unintentional) work raising awareness of poor beleaguered cyclists on British roads!

by civetta on Aug 27, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would have been more prone to give him credit

If he hadn’t mentioned his critics in that Nike ad. Doesn’t look like he’s able to separate the issues himself.

Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.

by TheFigurehead on Aug 26, 2009 6:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

I think I’m missing your point, because this comment leaves me with the feeling that it’s you that isn’t able to separate the issues.

No horn, watch for finger.

by sminer on Aug 26, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If that ad doesn't attempt to say

that criticism against LA is irrelevant because of his dedication to the fight against cancer I must be getting it wrong too.
I think it is a pretty blatant attempt of using the cancer-community as a shield against uncomfortable questions. Am I misunderstanding it?

by Jens on Aug 26, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mmmm

trouble is with that blog post though is that the militant anti-Lancers come over as just as fundamentalist, sort of the Richard Dawkins of the equation, I think

by civetta on Aug 26, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You guys are much better at reading between the lines than I am.

I see an ad that says, “I got cancer, I suffered but perservered and came out on top. Then I worked my ass off and suffered some more and that’s how I won big not by doping like some critics say.” If you don’t buy it, fine. But I just don’t see the whole “blatant attempt of using the cancer community as a shield” thing in that Nike ad, sorry.

No horn, watch for finger.

by sminer on Aug 26, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think you have to be Paul Kimmage to get that message from the Nike vid (though I suppose it does help) but I do think that whatever side of the LA divide you dwell on it ought be possible to step back a few paces and look at the ad critically. And ask yourself this: when he says he’s not doing it for ‘them’ (the inference being that he’s doing it for the cancer sufferers) is there any more truth in it than when he said he was coming back in order to generate cancer awareness and host a mega global conferance in Paris?

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Aug 26, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Granted.

I can be a bit naive at times, it being a Nike ad, when he said “I’m not doing it for them (the critics)” I filled in the blank with the Nike slogan… just do it. It being LA, I would say he was just doing it for himself. But knowing that he was at deaths door with cancer, I agree it’s possible that he might be saying that he is doing it for cancer sufferers.

Whatever you want to hold over his head about what he’s said he’s going to do and failed at doing is your time spent. But I’m sure the numbers are out there that show that the Livestrong Foundation has benefitted from his return to racing and cancer awareness as a whole has broadened to some extent. But he also said repeatedly that he was back to race and race competitively, and to do that takes some of your time, even if you are LA you have to put in a few hours on the bike.

Could he do more? But of course, he’s Lance. Would it stop the focus and criticism on him? Ha.

No horn, watch for finger.

by sminer on Aug 26, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever you want to hold over his head about what he’s said he’s going to do and failed at doing is your time spent.

But if there’s a disconnect between his words (I’m doing this for cancer) and his deeds (cancer? what cancer?) then it seems fair to suggest – as others have done – that he’s using cancer as a shield, of some sort or other. As much as he tried to use Don Catlin and the Most Rigorous And Transparent Testing Programme Ever as a shield for the first six months of his comeback.

And that’s all I wanted to achieve here – to see whether or not there was a disconnect between his promise of a global cancer conference that would bring a lot of media attention to the subject and the actuality of the event that really took place.

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Aug 26, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The point is that Lance is not being as effective as he planned / hoped / stated he would be

in the location, timing, and level of press for his cancer-related work, as opposed to his work on the bike, and his work helping to get another team off the ground.

The post does not even say that the less effective timing, location and level of interest is somehow Lance’s fault.

If someone wants to draw the inference that attention to the launch of Shack could have distracted from full-time attention to the Cancer stuff and PR for the cancer stuff, rather than helping it, they could make that argument. You could instead argue that interest in Shack has helped to bring more attention to the conference, or that it makes sense to focus on both long term and proximate goals.

But I don’t see a hatchet job here. There is, bona fide, a bit of a disconnect between what Lance said he’d do, and what he actually did. Ireland is lovely, but it’s not as high-profile as Paris after the Tour. It’s also presumably cheaper, and presumably fit better into the schedule, and this way, it’s timed to come out with the study on tanning booths / sunbeds. That makes it a reasonable choice, in the abstract.

But in general, if someone promises an international meeting, and people make plans on that basis, it’s a huge frigging pain and problem and expense to move the meeting—especially when you move it from summer break into term time, which affects researchers who also teach. So I have to guess that the meeting is shorter on researchers, and longer on PR, than one might hope.

by JFS_PGH on Aug 26, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last time I checked

I wasn’t in the business of making ads, so I’m probably not the one who decided to make an ad where Lance tells the world that he doesn’t like cancer at the same time as he snipes at his critics. Besides, if he didn’t return to racing “for” them, why mention them at all? The Lance doth protest too much, methinks.

Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.

by TheFigurehead on Aug 27, 2009 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

With all due respect tgartner, I think I have given him and his cancer fighting efforts enough respect heretofore. All I’m trying to work out this time is how much the man’s promises measure up to reality. Hosting a summit in Dublin is quite a step down from hosting one in Paris. Hosting a summit at the end of the Tour of Ireland is quite a step down from the hosting one at the end of the Tour de France. For sure, yes, my tongue is in my cheek with the way this was worded but hey, it’s been a long season so already and we all need a little humour in our lives.

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Aug 26, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So location is important to you...

Not the goal to increase cancer awarness?
Maybe I don’t understand your humor.

"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden

by run Bevo run on Aug 26, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh c'mon you can see the distinction can't you

If you hold a pc where you insist people talk about the Global Cancer Summit in Paris after the TdF rather than more awkward subjects it is kind of funny that you end up with an anonymous GCS in Dublin after the ToI instead?

by Jens on Aug 26, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

It just a means to the end. I don’t see why the means are more important than the end.

"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden

by run Bevo run on Aug 27, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And we all know that the ends justify the means, right?

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Aug 28, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well yeah, the location is actually kinda important.

I’m Irish and I love Dublin as much as the next Dub does, but I do have to face facts – we’re a tiddly little backwater most people still think is a provincial part of the UK. We’re not a sexy city. As a location, we’re not going to help selling cancer awareness globally. Unlike a sexy city like Paris. Or even London. The location matters cause it impacts on how the story is going to be sold internationally.

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Aug 26, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry,

meant to mention that I agree with you on this part of your post. Size, I mean, location matters.

No horn, watch for finger.

by sminer on Aug 26, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not understanding what you are trying to say

It appears to me you are saying Lance failed because he didn’t have the summit in Paris. I don’t understand that reasoning. Why would it matter if it’s in Paris, France versus Paris, Texas. Livestrong doesn’t have to sell a story. Everyone knows it. Everyone is sick of hearing about it, particularly the cycling community. Unless you are a board member and have a financial stake in the outcome, it seems you just want to make fun of LA because he didn’t have a summit were he said he desired to have it. That’s pretty pathetic and kind of missing the whole point.

"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden

by run Bevo run on Aug 27, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If a summit were something abstract,

as opposed to a place where people get together, have meetings, network, give and listen to talks—a place that real people have to make real plans, in advance, to be at—this would make total sense. But I know what a total clusterfuck it is if a convention or meeting has to be moved with at little as 4 or 5 months’ advance notice. I can’t imagine flipping something like that to a new location in a couple of weeks, UNLESS it’s not much of a summit in the first place. Thus my skepticism.

by JFS_PGH on Aug 28, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe you just don’t want to understand run Bevo run. But for the last time, I’ll try and explain where I’m coming from.

A major event was promised. It became a foundation stone of the stated reasons for the man’s return to cycling.

A minor event was delivered.

Beyond the cycling community and beyond these shores, the conference appears to have little or no impact.

And if the nature of events at it were like the main ones I’ve seen reported – a press release that soundn like something we’ve heard an awful lot of times before and a promise to ban sunbeds that wasn’t even a promise, just a peace of political posturing – then I really do have to ask anyone to tell me what this conference has actually achieved.

Particularly WRT its statetd objective of providing global leadership in the fight against cancer.

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Aug 28, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course results matter more than lofty intentions.

High goals are laudable, but they’re also free, and require no planning or money. Being effective matters.

Effectiveness means some of the following:

1. policy makers and/or researchers are meeting, who would not otherwise have met.
2. people are learning things they did not already know.
3. the public is learning, too.

All of these things could certainly happen at a meeting in Ireland. But it is less likely if it’s a last minute job in place of more elaborate plans. (Mind you, I don’t know if it is, or if Lance dropped in on a pre-existing meeting). And not if it’s mostly getting local coverage (which is what the question is about) despite the assumption that Lance’s sponsorship and presence will result in global coverage.

by JFS_PGH on Aug 26, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Intentions

I believe the only intention of Livestrong is to raise money and awarness for cancer support. Any news whatsoever is advancing their global position.

"From the waist down, Earl Campbell has the biggest legs I have ever seen on a running back." -John Madden

by run Bevo run on Aug 27, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Accountability's great.

And I guess I can accept that the original post is a fair-minded inquiry (though the tone certainly gives one pause.)

But I think a good follow-up question is, how much global coverage is being generated by the combined anti-cancer efforts of every other pro cyclist besides Lance Armstrong?

by tgartner on Aug 27, 2009 2:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

An even better question is

When will medical research be given media coverage approaching almost any (male) pro sport? Not a huge fan of LA, but even his notoriety doesn’t make cancer ‘sexy’. Unless they find a cure, noone really wants to know.
Quick test: Can you instantly recall the name of the guy who developed a vaccine for the papilloma virus about four years ago? Because of him, thousands of women will be saved from developing cervical cancer -but it still isn’t ‘sexy’ (for the media).

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Aug 27, 2009 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW

Answer is Ian Frazer

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Aug 27, 2009 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t bet on an anyone from Ireland being able to answer that question seahorse, given that last year Mary Harney reneged on a promise to introduce a vaccination programme for the virus. And similarly this year she decided against a colorectal cancer screening programme even after the Irish Cancer Society offered to stump up a million euro to part-cover the costs of the programme. Obviously it’s far easier for her to stand up in front of a global (ahem) audience and say how she wished she could ban all sunbeds, or even regulate their use (if the EU would only allow her) than it is for her to actually do something concrete. But it seems you can get away with saying a lot of things about curing cancer without having to worry too much about being held to account.

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Aug 27, 2009 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OMG

Well how scary or inept is Mary Harney? I won’t go further because it moves from Lance, medical research etc to politics. Luckily in a democracy there’s a vote.
Obviously sunbeds in Australia rank below the basics, like ‘real’ sun and its resultant problems.
Seriously, that’s fucked! Not vaccinating for papillomavirus. WTF!

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Aug 27, 2009 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well she’s more scary than inept, I’ll grant her that. What I find interesting about this story though is that (allegedly) Ireland was chosen to host the summit because of the “lead” we’ve taken on fighting cancer – we banned smoking in pubs a few a few years back. Bugger the “lead” we’re taking on not fighting cancer in more recent years. (And I haven’t even mentioned the whole breast screening misdiagnosis screw-ups story.)

(WRT allegedly – there are questions to be asked as to how much the ToI organisers paid LA to ride their race, how much of this caused the race to be whacked down from five to three days (note that these same organisers are able this year to expand this ToB) and what other enticements did we offer to bring this summit to Dublin.)

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Aug 27, 2009 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glad about the smoking

but breast cancer and papillomavirus? Ireland’s not sounding like a ‘world leader’. Seriously, don’t make me go further. it would be a feminist rant about diseases and funding and gender politics. Lance wouldn’t even be a blip on the landscape. Fascinating though.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Aug 27, 2009 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There’s a horrible bit of irony where the Daily Mail’s campaigning against the vaccination of teenage girls for papilloma virus in Britain where it’s already been brought in (turns them into sluts, apparently…) at the same time as the paper’s Irish version is campaigning vigorously for its introduction over there…

by civetta on Aug 27, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't ever imagine that there would be anywhere in the western world

where there was any issue about the vaccine. Our 12 year old girls get the vaccine at school. No parental dissension that I’ve seen and no negative press, even from papers I consider rags.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Aug 27, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One or two Catholic schools were said not to be terribly keen

but I don’t think there is any real dissent. The Mail dislike vaccines in general, for all the usual reasons, so when it feels a vaccine coincides with one of its other obsessions, namely women’s morals…

by civetta on Aug 27, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I sound sanctimonious and naive

To me it was such a wonderful discovery – I’m sure for most others too, that I thought it would be automatically embraced :(

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Aug 27, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Far from it.

You are – obviously – completely right that it should be.

by civetta on Aug 27, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you. Let's hope others get with the program.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Aug 27, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, that anti-vaccine push is going on in the US too.

A little bit of “vaccines are risky” coupled with a lot of “scare them into keeping their knees locked together.” We can have a good old rant off the list at some point.

by JFS_PGH on Aug 28, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But I think a good follow-up question is, how much global coverage is being generated by the combined anti-cancer efforts of every other pro cyclist besides Lance Armstrong?

You know, up to today I hadn’t been aware that having cancer advocacy as an extra-curricular activity was a prerequisite for getting a job in the ranks of the pro peloton. Perhaps, tgartner, you could point to the relevant part of the UCI rules which makes it an essential job requirement and save me the effort of looking for it myself.

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Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
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by fmk on Aug 27, 2009 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I personally can't believe is there has been no mention of this GCS

in all the press about Sen. Ted Kennedy’s death. You’d think the media hoards sitting around outside Hyannis Port yesterday and today would at least mention the Global Cancer Summit, as brain cancer was the cause of his death. Lance’s PR guys should be out there, planting stories and relating it back to their event; it’s free publicity, of a sort. (And I mean that in the most respectful way, if you know what I mean…)

by Ruthann on Aug 27, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Totally disagree

That would be completely opportunistic – something I often associate with LA, but now is not the time.

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Aug 28, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It'd be more offensive if TK had not been such a supporter of research, health care, etc.

and generally open about the cancer. Not to mention a consumate PR guy in his own right. (Hope this doesn’t count as politics—I’m not saying anything that hasn’t been said from both sides of the aisle.)

by JFS_PGH on Aug 28, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Call me old fashioned

Just think after the funeral will be soon enough. Agree TK wouldn’t want an opportunity to be wasted but first there needs to be time to reflect on the passing of an era. (Like you, I know I’m teetering on the political edge).

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Aug 28, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair point. We do.

Must admit your system seems incomprehensible to me and I’ll be watching what happens with great interest. :)

"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'

by Seahorse on Aug 30, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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