It would be a poll, but that would take effort.
Between the back-to-school crunch, the realities of late summer doldrums, however many Grand Tours it is now, and keeping up with local political shenanigans, I've sorta flagged in my interest in pro cycling lately.
But . . . there's one story-line that has been sort of rankling in my noggin; since the last stage of Le Tour Day Frank-Rich. No, wait a second, my internal monologuer tells me that Frank Rich is something altogether different from bike racing, and that however teutonic he might feel on occasion, I meant to type Frank Reich. Whatevah.
Oh yeah: last stage of tour: Tyler Farrar and Garmin get their ev-ill come-uppances at the pedals of Georg hin-cap-a-pied, or something. Except . . . that there was someone notably absent from il treno di lead-y-out-e-oh de Gar-Meen. Can you guess who? Not Julian Dean, although he might as well have been absent. No this wacked-out camper has gotten by on attitude and gonzo for the last several years desptie freaking out every time crunch-time occurs with a regularity almost Danielsonian: of course, I mean Zabriskie, who gets my vote as the most over-rated professional cyclist.
What brings about this polemic? Reading about his less-than-useless escapade yesterday.
But enough of my animosities--who tops your list as the most over-rated cyclist?
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ha!
i don’t have anything to add except that this post made me laugh. which is good :-)
what was z’s useless escapade yesterday, btw? didn’t read the deets on the race, just the results.
by gavia on Aug 31, 2009 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
a devolder-esque (old skool devolder, that is) doomed breakaway.
by JFS_PGH on Sep 1, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah, thanks
appreciate it. pretty slammed with vuelta, so can’t follow every detail of every race.
by gavia on Sep 1, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just have this to say about DZ's antics yesterday...
Perhaps it was intentional that his solo move simply blew himself up and did nothing to help his team which then could have played into GH’s favor. DZ is a smart guy and a good friend.
Yes, DZ has had less than a stellar year, but “most” over-rated professional, I don’t know. He certainly was stellar Saturday. And I don’t think he’s necessarily over-rated, it’s just that he is very popular. But hey, it’s your rant. I’ll get back with my pick, this might take some time.
No horn, watch for finger.
by sminer on Aug 31, 2009 9:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
interesting thought
would dz throw himself on his sword so as not to have to contribute to the battle against george? I could maybe buy into that. his staying out front as long as he did certainly didn’t make much sense. hmmm.
George bunny-hopped my bike somehow. He's like a cat. -- cvv
by cg. on Aug 31, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going for an Italian
Just not sure which one yet ;)
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Aug 31, 2009 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Like the idea of the post, but...
not sure Dave Z’s romp was useless. Everyone was looking for Garmin to control the race, so in turn, they sent Dave Z up the road solo so they could at least take the first half of the race off and rest. If someone else went up the road from another team, then Garmin would have spent the whole race chasing. I think it was very sound strategy, they just didn’t have the team. in fact, I never understood how people ranked their team so high. Sure they had numbers, but they had no closers. They had a team full of domestiques. Not going to win many races without someone that proves they can win a road race.
As for overrated cyclists: Frank Schleck.
His big-time reputation does not reflect accurately with his big-time wins. I know he’s a huge favorite around these parts, and I know he has won some impressive races (Amstel Gold, 2 stages of the TdF), but I think the novelty of the “Schleck brothers” contributes to him being over rated and heaped unwarranted praise.
Frank Schleck is good at climbing and good at one day hilly races. However, he is not great at these things, which makes him a really nice rider, but definitely overrated.
by PopUp Rolen on Aug 31, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One day Fränk will become the Serse Coppi
Except for dying too early, I hope.
Staring at the swim team gets you killed by a gang of dancing ninja men who know how to twirl.
by TheFigurehead on Sep 1, 2009 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fränk Schleck paid 7000 Euros to Fuentes for 'training advice'
Anyone busy heaping praise on the Schlecks should keep this in mind.
by samb on Sep 1, 2009 4:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let it go...
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Sep 1, 2009 4:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, unlike many a non-doped rider, I don't have to let Fränk go.
by samb on Sep 1, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, no reason to keep one's head buried in the sand. Frank did pay.
As far as Dave Z, I met him once out riding and he was very friendly and cool. From watching on TV, I feel he is seeing himself as a ‘professional’ rather than a potential great champion – his remaining career goals might very well be much different than what we think they should be.
I guess his crime is not being as good as Cancellara, but Dave does have a nice palmares.
Plus also he has the the Yield to life foundation which is very cool, and I really admire him for it.
by thisisntthezodiac on Sep 1, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 on Garmin's strategery.
DZ was in the early break last year also. I think he did his job, but his teammates disappeared when it counted.
by itswells on Sep 1, 2009 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll probably think of another one, but right away I can say Di Luca
asshat couldn’t achieve anything without doping, he got away with it a few times and still was a big enough dumbass to do it again. Massive fool.
"On a personal level, I have never had admiration for him and I never will"
~AC about LA, me about Johan "drama queen" Bruyneel
by Phil H. on Aug 31, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Garmin
as a team is way over-rated quite frankly. Just my opinion.
Btw R Mc, did you race in Wichita Falls over the weekend?
If you don't have time to do it right the first time, when are you going to have time to do it again?
by CannonDowell on Aug 31, 2009 10:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nope.
It just doesn’t appeal to me anymore.
Now the State Race in October—that’s gonna be something.
by R Mc on Aug 31, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mos Def
a cool venue. I’m not new to riding but I am a bit of a newbie to the racing thing. So not sure I want to make the drive for 33 miles. Looks like fun though. Good Luck to you.
If you don't have time to do it right the first time, when are you going to have time to do it again?
by CannonDowell on Aug 31, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you using for a ranking system? Is it quantifiable?
I can only conclude that Linus Gerdeman is incredibly way over rated. I can say that with great confidence because I spent 14 points on him for my VDS team and I doubt he’s scored that many points where I spent 6 points on David Zabriskie and at least he’s scoring a few points.
The first cyclist to stand up to him. And he did it in silence.
by flying dog on Aug 31, 2009 10:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ah thanks for your help dog, I'm in on LG being considered way too large.
I’m in with you on LG being considered way too large.
No horn, watch for finger.
by sminer on Aug 31, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly I agree, I was thinking Leenooos
but I don’t believe he’s regarded as that huge of a hope anymore. 2-3 years ago definitely.
"On a personal level, I have never had admiration for him and I never will"
~AC about LA, me about Johan "drama queen" Bruyneel
by Phil H. on Aug 31, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He cost 14 points, 14 points! This years VDS. That's over rated!
Who am I yelling at, I’m the fool who picked him. :-D
The first cyclist to stand up to him. And he did it in silence.
by flying dog on Sep 1, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LG - good pick
or anyone on Milram
Fabian Wegmann ….. or maybe he was over-rated two years ago.
Moo
by Willj on Sep 1, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at majope's VDS tracking spreadshet
And taking into consideration injuries to the likes of Ballan, Armstrong, Freire, etc you’d have to pick in order:
Stuart O’Grady- Cost: 6 points and has earned exactly 0 points so far. He had 22 takers at 6 points
Gustav Larsson- Cost 12 points, earned 27 for 2.25 PPS He had 4 takers at 12 points
Giovanni Viscounti: Cost 10 points, earned 52 for 5.20 PPS. he had 5 takers
Linus Gerdemann: Cost 14 points and earned 120 for 8.57 PPS. He had 18 takers at 14 points
Enrico Gasparotto: Cost 8 points, earned 75 for 9.38 PPS. He had 21 takers.
So those guys above were the only riders who weren’t injured or suspended who had a less than 10 PPS. So you could say that they were the most overrated riders thru the VDS lense. However the number of players who picked these guys must be noted so that Larsson and Viscounti at any rate were not valued as 12 and 10 point riders by the people who play VDS. The other three though…
Other cheaper riders (4 pointers) who have yet to score a point this year and are unjured and so qualify for overrated are:
4 pointers: Dessel, Lopez garcia, Pozzovivo, Baliani (no one picked him though), Steegmans, Cesar Velasco, Anton, and Kiryienka. Again several of these can still win some at the Vuelta. But clearly Steegmans who was picked by 48 players (10 most popular pick of riders worth 4 points or more) was overrated.
by ursula on Aug 31, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Greg Van Avermaet is another disappointment.
Cost 14, returned 260—and 160 of those were in the very first race of the year. Lots of others in the 10-20 PPS range, but given GVA’s results last year I think the expectations were higher for him. Well, mine were.
Throughout the stage all I kept on thinking was: ‘don’t finish second, you can’t finish second again’.--Heinrich Haussler
by majope on Sep 1, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AC
He coasted to the TdF victory, thanks in no small part to the Astana team kicking ass in the TTT. Oh, right, except for the ‘mental stress’ of being 5 minutes ahead of his nearest teammate.
And now he can’t even be bothered to get on his bike for the Vuelta. Carlos Sastre did a reasonable job of the Vuelta last year after winning the Tour de France…
meh.
by ManBicycleThing on Sep 1, 2009 12:46 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
It's no secret that I'm no Contador fan, but I think you're being unfair here.
Contador has never done back-to-back Grand Tours, and has no reason to start this year. Quite apart from the mental stress it’s hell on the body. Sometimes the older riders like Sastre have more endurance for multiple GTs, so that may come in the future.
Actually, I have more respect for Contador’s abilities after this year’s Tour. The TTT helped, but he’d have won without it—in my opinion, he put in a much more dominant performance this July than in his other GT wins.
Throughout the stage all I kept on thinking was: ‘don’t finish second, you can’t finish second again’.--Heinrich Haussler
by majope on Sep 1, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Sastre example actually works in favour of Contador not riding every GT, Sastre’s GT performances have steadily declined since the Tour win, and the first thing he wrote on his website after this year’s Tour was how exhausted he was from all the GT riding, how he was basically forced to end his season right then and there. In comparison, Contador’s strategy of only doing one or two GTs per year seems pretty smart.
Don’t get me wrong, I’d like to see Contador doing more too, i.e. riding the Ardennes races, and the big fall one-day races (WCs and Lombardy). But doing all 3 GTs is suicidal.
I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it
by plinytheelder on Sep 1, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AC overrated?, seriously.
I’m no fan either, but geez, I don’t have any kind of distaste that can distort reality that much.
No horn, watch for finger.
by sminer on Sep 1, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't think I'm being unfair at all
The point is, he’s so damn good, that I expect more from him than this.
by ManBicycleThing on Sep 1, 2009 11:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Sep 1, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm tired! I'm agreeing with Majope and Sminer
not ManBicycleThing. So much for shortcuts :(
"How strange it was to see men doing something beautiful. Something pointless and elegant." Tim Winton, 'Breath'
by Seahorse on Sep 1, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strictly speaking
I agree that Contador is somewhat overrated, i.e. the hype (at least in some quarters) overstates his ability (or at least what he’s shown so far). But his ability is still pretty great. He’s certainly not the MOST overrated.
by tgartner on Sep 2, 2009 12:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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