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Race Fixing – Two Wheels Good, Four Wheels Bad

One of the weird things about being a cycling geek is how you have to get used to your sport being used as a whipping boy by other sports. I know we sometimes bring it on ourselves, by actually discussing the needle and the damage done but even so, it does rather grate a bit when you’re hearing the criticism being used simply as a distraction from another sport’s problem.

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Which, I guess, is why I wasn’t really all that surprised during the recent F1 race fixing brouhaha to see that cyclists were once again being co-opted to distract from motor racing’s problems. The bit that caught my attention was where Max Mosley tried to explain how the Renault case was worser than cheating – and to oil the wheels of his argument, Mosley turned to cycling.

Fixing is one degree worse than cheating,” explained Mosley. “If you’re a cyclist and you take dope, that’s cheating,” he told us. “If you bribe the other cyclists,” he continued, “or you get somebody to have a crash in the peloton so the yellow jersey guy crashes, that's more serious.”

It was one of those lame-brained arguments that just made me go ‘WTF?!?’ Was Mosley really trying to suggest that, say, Steve Bauer’s contratemps with Claude Criquielion at the World’s in 1988 (it being World’s Week I’m trying to be topical with my reference but can’t think of something more recent – I’m sure someone will remind me of a less aged incident in the comments thingies below) is worser than oh, I don’t know, Davide Rebellin being busted for CERA?

Or, using a name Mosley might actually recognise, that Stefan Schumacher taking out George Hincapie in the 2006 Eneco Tour in order to secure his overall victory was somehow worser that Stefan Schumacher being busted for being a junkie? I. Don't. Think. So. Max.

Having thrown the book I was reading at the radio (Colum McCann’s Let The Great World Spin, as you asked) I decided to build a bridge and get over this silly little story. Until something happened that made me recall Mosley’s comments and approach them from a slightly different angle.

That something was Philip Deignan finally breaking the Irish hoodoo at Grand Tours and bagging a stage win in the Vuelta, our first since Roche Snr bagged a Giro stage in ’93. Interviewed on radio after the stage (Irish radio, having previously said that cycling was a drug-addled corrupt non-sport in explanation for their non-coverage of it, suddenly rediscovered a passion for Irish victories and cleared the schedule in order to bring news of our new hero to us), Deignan for some reason decided to tell the reporter how he turned down an offer of dosh from Roman Kreuziger in the closing klicks of the stage and decided he wanted to win the thing himself.

“He [Kreuziger] turned to me with three kilometres to go and said ‘How much?’. I just shook my head and said no there was no way I was going to consider giving away a stage no matter how much he was willing to pay me and there was no more talking about it. That was it.”

It’s not that I was heretofore ignorant of the way money changes hands in the pro peloton. Laurent Fignon's claim during the summer that he sold the '87 Vuelta to Luís Herrera hardly raised an eye-brow. Or there's the story, resurrected in Wilcockson's recent hagiography of the world's most controversial cyclist, about the '93 Thrift Drug Triple Crown. Go back to the '60s and you have the likes of Anquetil, Elliot and Simpson all discussing how money changed hands. It's one of those facts of cycling that we just get used to, isn't it? For us, no matter what Max Mosley thinks, fixing isn't even nearly as bad as the fix so many cyclists seem to need.

(Of course, maybe when spread-betting finally gets its claws into cycling, our attitude will have to change.)

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That Deignan story surprised me too

I’d thought that such overt buying and selling of races was long in the past, and that such race fixing that went on today wasa more of the “This race is in Germany, so let’s let a German win. The sponsors will be happy, it’s good publicity, and we get to come back here next year.” I can think of quite a few of those, and I’m usually pretty sympathetic to what I believe is the logic behind it. Clearly the press aren’t that shocked by what Deignan said, because no-one’s picked it up. Roche’s little run-in with Bennati at the Tour got more coverage.

by Monty. on Sep 23, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Oh Monty

So young, so naive :)

by tedvdw on Sep 23, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But that’s more like the type of fixing we’d expect to see this week, no? A (future) team-mate deferring to his senior and putting his team above his nation?

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Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
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by fmk on Sep 23, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha!

The Pauwels situation at the Giro immediately comes to mind.

by gavia on Sep 24, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Remind me of that one Gav, if you get a mo. I’ve not really been paying too much attention this year. Too much noise to filter out.

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Sep 25, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hope you don't mind me jumping in here, but it was Stg. 15.

You can watch a cool recap of the stage at Cervelo’s documentary site HERE. All those eps are great.

by Ruthann on Sep 25, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

as far as I can tell

Pauwels has hardly spoken to anyone on the team since!

by civetta on Sep 26, 2009 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Clearly the press aren’t that shocked by what Deignan said, because no-one’s picked it up."

TBH I imagine as it would have to be something mega serious before the media would actually pick up on it without it being pointed out to them.

I’m with you on the fixing of minor races – it’s why I have no real interest in most of them, they’re more entertainment fixtures than sporting ones. Within the major races, I always figured you could buy and sell support, even today. But – like you – I am a little surprised to have heard someone so openly talking about money being offered for a GT stage win. Omertà me arse, I guess.

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Sep 23, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So the point you are trying to make is

that Kreuziger’s offer to buy the stage is indicative of a larger, modern problem in this regard? That these sorts of offers are happening now, in the modern age, in major races, and not just in those post grand-tour crits that the star always manages to win?

by Jimbo... on Sep 23, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What point am I making?

Good question. Alas, I’m not really sure.

On the most simple level, I guess I was just amused by the serendipity of the two incidents – Mosely thinking race-fixing in cycling was more serious than doping and barely a week later Deignan so openly discussing an attempt to fix the result of a stage in a Grand Tour.

On a deeper level, I’m probably making a point about spread-betting. It’s something I’ve been meaning to get round to since I read the Cavendish biog months back. That – in case you haven’t read it yet – opens with Cav recalling an incident in which, mid-race, he rolled up to his team car and told the guys inside to get some money down on him with Unibet. In most every other sport I can think of, participants are banned from betting on their own sport, especially barred from betting on events they’re participating in. Yet here you have the biog of a major star in the pro peloton and no one bats an eyelid at the notion of him betting on an event whose outcome he can influence.

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like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Sep 23, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Um...

…it’s been my understanding that deals like this get made all the time, or at least have long been part of the sport. On the road agreements, sometimes even involving money. I’m surprised that it’s so surprising.

Race fixing in the larger sense, not so much, but breakaway companions etc. or team orders and what not, sure. This is hardly new.

You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.

by Ed K on Sep 23, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dunno

If it turned out, say, that Cav’s dominance was due to his generosity in the run in? I would be shocked. And appalled. And shocked. And I’m not sure that I’d been particularly rube-ish about saying that.

by Sui Juris on Sep 23, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm thinking more about breaks...

…I’ve surely heard, and so I’m sure have you, of deals between breakaway companions, on multiple occasions. Given that we’re talking about stage wins, at least, that’s money right there.

I agree about your Cav example. But I’ve never heard even a hint of that, nor can I imagine how it’d be practical to fix a bunch sprint or an entire race of any magnitude.

But overall, given how many decisions in any stage race are made on the basis of larger calculations than those affecting who wins this or that stage, the idea that somehow we’re supposed to expect that the stages are to be decided without any deals getting made does seem a bit odd.

You see how calm Vaughters is? That’s because he’s really one giant seething ball of Evil inside. With like, extra Evil.

by Ed K on Sep 24, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More importantly , if you had money riding on the result and you didn’t get what you hoped for simply because the win had been sold by private tender, well I daresay even a judge would find cause to agree with you being miffed.

As for my surprise – it’s not so much that this is part and parcel of the sport. As I said originally, I know the history on this subject. One of the first cyclists I learned anything about was Shay Elliott and one of the first things I learned about him was how he’d ‘sold’ one Worlds and refused an offer for another.

Partly, I guess, I was surprised by the openness with which Deignan discussed the matter. After the Simoni/Basso squabble in 2006 I would have thought media-savvy riders simply wouldn’t even mention the subject – not that I could see either the Irish or the Spanish federations caring enough to threaten Deignan the same way the Italians turned on Simoni.

But I guess what’s really making me curious about it is the betting angle. It’s an angle that’s been elevated in recent weeks, since the publication of Matt LeTissier’s book.

I guess what I’m really wondering is whether we’re so focussed on doping that there’s another – potentially more damaging – time-bomb ticking away beneath the sport and we’re blind to the effect it would have on the perception of this sport were the non-cycling media to actually notice it. And the more betting encroaches into the sport – the more, say, the likes of William Hill discover races like the Vuelta - well then the more this actually becomes a problem. The more incentive there is to fix results and the greater the damage will be when someone finally lifts the rug and sees the story waiting there for them.

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Sep 24, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's why betting on bike racing is a sucker's game...

or an insider’s game. I don’t think anyone should bet on cycling expecting it to be any different.

But part of that has to do with cycling’s dual nature as an individual AND a team sport. Making a deal with a competitor is not as big a deal because there is always, already, the intrinsic and totally rational possibility that ANY team member may be called on to provide support for another team member, to the detriment of his own chances. When you bet on someone for (say) a stage win, you’re already including the possibility that the team will have chosen to instead go for the GC, or the points jersey, or the mountain jersey, or the best young rider, or in fact, has decided to save you for next week’s race instead. That doesn’t happen with 4 wheels and a combustion engine—NONE of it. On top of that huge, churning pile of uncertainty that is the cycling season, the fixing of a stage that’s already been narrowed to two people is a mini blip.

If you’re mostly interested in the betting, go to Santa Anita, or go count cards in vegas.

by JFS_PGH on Sep 24, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I lovve that Matt le Tissier story

if anyone’s not seen it, he and some friends took some bets on a spread betting index on when the ball would first go out of play, expecting that he would take the kick off himself and welly it into the stands. But he didn’t kick it hard enough, one of his teammates who wasn’t in on the bet thought it was a bad pass and managed to keep it in, then he spent the next couple of minutes chasing desperately after the ball just to kick it out.

by Monty. on Sep 24, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't think that the betting ban was so extreme in other sports

I thought that even football let you bet, as long as you don’t bet against yourself and your team.

by Monty. on Sep 24, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Associating with known gamblers (bookies)

is I think the problem. You can into trouble betting and losing on a different sport or team and pay-off the debt in your game.

by fancan on Sep 24, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The FA are quite strict on it

“Players, managers or coaching staff are prohibited from betting on the result or progress of any match or competition in which the participant is participating or has any direct or indirect influence.”

Andrew Mangan of Bury received a five-month ban for betting on his own team to beat Accrington Stanley last year. (Several Stanley players were also involved, betting on themselves losing – they received longer bans).

Mark

by mpw5 on Sep 25, 2009 6:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In Horseracing the rules are also very very strict

In the UK Jockeys cannot bet at all and have not been allowed to for many years now.

Stable staff, owners and trainers of horses are allowed to bet horses to win. To strike a winning bet you pick a runner and hope he is the best in the race – if you are wrong you lose. (One of the reasons I do not find the Cav betting on himself to win story that big a deal – he gambled on his own ability to be the best).

The playing field was altered by the introduction of the betting exchanges (betfair and the like) where members can log in and be a bookmaker by laying other betting exchange members bets. As such you can make money from other punters when a runner losing – previously the province only of the licensed bookmaker. Now anyone can be a bookmaker.

In UK (and most other countries) horseracing all stable staff, trainers, jockeys, and owners are all licensed by the regulatory authority and are known collectively as “licensed persons”.

No “licensed person” is allowed to lay bets “to lose” on a betting exchange for a horse they are connected with. This rule is to prevent anyone who may happen to know a reason a horse will not run well to profit from that knowledge at the expense of others. If you are found doing so you are liable to become “unlicensed” and hence unable to either go to work or race your horse. Indeed the rules on such types betting are now a required thing a trainer has to explain to a new member of staff.

It took horseracing several months/years (and a panorama expose) to get to grips with this changed playing field – and it is the industry on which most money is wagered.
Similar stories to the Le Tissier one led to Football eventually catching on. Other sports have followed.

On a broader point the gambling industry is a major recession proof growth industry of the last few years, and internet betting has only hastened that growth.
William Hill are busy expanding into Spain with a major new business partnership and have sponsored the Vuelta and Malaga football club as part of the PR push into this market (although apparently the only bets WH took for the Vuelta were for a AV victory and it cost them over a million – but that shows the size of the market).

The gambling industries in Eastern Europe and particularly Far East Asia are absolutely huge. Many sports such as football, tennis, snooker, cricket etc have all had problems with match fixing accustaions recently, mostly connected to gambling in one way or another.

The market for gambling on road cycling is compartively small, but the market for gambling on Keirin races in the Far East is massive. Eventually it is reasonable to expect there to be some crossover amongst the punter involved – and it never hurts to have some kind of rules in place.

"We know what the cycling fans want. They love the mountains, and they will have mountains" Javier Guillén - Vuelta Race Director

by andrewp on Sep 25, 2009 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"I do not find the Cav betting on himself to win story that big a deal "

On one level I see your point. On another level though I just think it’s a dodgy area and the sport as a whole ought be conscious of the problems, and dealing with them before they become a problem. And I’m particulalry talking about spread-betting, rather than the old fashioned kind even your granny used encouyrage you to do of a Grand National Saturday.

And the fact that the story came on page one of his biog – well, that just surprised me. I really did expect to see even one British newspaper pick it up and try to make something of it. Look at how the Le Tissier story exploded. But, of course, Cav is still being put on the pedestal. The journos aren’t quite ready to knock him off it yet.

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like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Sep 25, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cav has been telling the "put a bet on me to win" story

since just after that stage (his first Tour win in 2008). Original version, from The Guardian:

At the start of yesterday’s stage of the Tour de France I dropped back from the field from my team car, and told my manager Brian Holm: “You need to call a bookmaker.” He didn’t quite catch what I said, and answered: “Why?” So I told him he should put €1,000 on me to win the stage in the afternoon. I hope he did that, because he’ll be a rich man.
The last line implies that he wasn’t trying to place a bet on himself, but suggesting Holm bet on him. You could take it as an inside tip based on how he was feeling, or as pure confidence-building smack talk.

The version that opens his book is different:

‘Brian, I need you to do me a favor. I need you to call Unibet."…Brian knew what I meant, I could tell by the way he was smirking; but sitting next to him, my other directeur, Rold Aldag, thought he’d either misheard or that I’d gone insane. He leaned over Brian in the passenger seat to get a clearer view and asked me to repeat what I’d just said.
‘I need you to call Unibet and put a grand on Mark Cavendish to win today’s stage. Got it?’
Now Rolf was laughing…
While in this version the bet is supposed to be for Cav’s benefit, not Holm’s, the smirking and laughter he gets in response from the others still makes it seem like it was smack talk.

Why the difference? Chances are his book editor thought it would be more dramatic—more personally at stake—if he were betting on himself. As it originally appeared, I don’t see any problem at all.

Throughout the stage all I kept on thinking was: ‘don’t finish second, you can’t finish second again’.--Heinrich Haussler

by majope on Sep 28, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Max Mosley is a fucking moron who is ruining his own sport

it’s inexcusable that he still has his job, especially after his little Nazi whore party. That tool should never open his mouth about anything, ever.

Dammit Elk! I don't care if it's your mating season, you are disturbing my peaceful sleep! Just STFU!

by Phil H. on Sep 23, 2009 7:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Clearly not one of Max’s fans there. I’m only surprised you didn’t wish the ghosts of Cable St upon him :)

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Sep 23, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

christ, he really is the kid of?

Having that daddy could make anyone seriously fucked up.

by JFS_PGH on Sep 24, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Never heard of any of this before, meaning the whole Cable St BUF thing and facists in general the UK, the Mosley legacy, etc. Very interesting reading. The things I learn here…

by Jimbo... on Sep 24, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I never even new good ol Max was the son of THAT guy. I hated him with a passion before, what is the next level of hatred on the spectrum? Because you can bump me up to it.

Dammit Elk! I don't care if it's your mating season, you are disturbing my peaceful sleep! Just STFU!

by Phil H. on Sep 24, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If his father shocks you

then go and read up on his mother or her batshit crazy sisters Unity, who stalked Hitler before shooting herself (and who caused a belated kerfuffle in the UK press a couple of years back when it was suggested that a) she might have somehow and unnoticed during the war given birth to a child, and b) that said child’s father could possibly be one A. Hitler), Jessica who moved to the US and became a communist, and Nancy who was a bit more restrained in life, but wrote two very funny novels about her most peculiar family, The Pursuit of Happiness and Love in a Cold Climate.

by Monty. on Sep 24, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.....just wow

well I can understand how Max M. is fucked up, I can’t understand how he became the president of the FIA being so though! And hell with that background, he should be extra cautious with the whole Nazi scene, which he clearly isn’t. FIRE HIM!

Dammit Elk! I don't care if it's your mating season, you are disturbing my peaceful sleep! Just STFU!

by Phil H. on Sep 24, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a sidenote on Max Mosley

He did win a lawsuit against the paper that first published the story – where the Nazi part of the story was deemed to be untrue and possible grossly exagerated/made up by the newspaper.

The full (and quite extraordinary) judgment here – see paras 122/123 pg 30. Apparently the were just in uniforms and speaking german!

That aside doesn’t stop every other single word of Phil H’s posts being something I can wholeheartedly agree with

"We know what the cycling fans want. They love the mountains, and they will have mountains" Javier Guillén - Vuelta Race Director

by andrewp on Sep 25, 2009 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those crazy Mitford gals … they just don’t make em like that any more.

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Sep 25, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I knew about it mostly because of Unity and Diana Mitford,

as opposed to the talented writers Nancy and Jessica Mitford. Now there was a politically bifurcated family. Hons and Rebels is fascinating.

by JFS_PGH on Sep 24, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"The things I learn here…"

Jimbo – I aim to inform and entertain.

pounding along in three ratios like a sonata
like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Sep 25, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's kind of mind-boggling to me...

Is that, given what a GT stage win means to a guy’s career, especially a guy like Deignan from a country starved for success, Kreuziger could have thought he’d sell it for less than a small fortune.

by tgartner on Sep 24, 2009 5:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wait...the '84 worlds was fixed?

I don’t get that reference.

I'm feverished, or the way you want to spell it

by plinytheelder on Sep 24, 2009 5:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Me bad. Tpyo. Should have been 1988 (is now, thanx to my mystical powers and the edit button). Fondriest’s year. And what a deserving winner he was too.

And it wasn’t really fixed. A slight touch of hyperbollix there to help make a point.

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like a Ritter with pommelled scrotum atra cura on the step
Botticelli from the fork down pestling the transmission
tires bleeding voiding zeep the highway

by fmk on Sep 25, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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